Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[The Black mage]

It's Official, K. Rool passed Ridley up on my poll as "Nintendo's Most Wanted Newcomer".

Don't know how, I can live with either one being in smash, anyways.

 

[FalKoopa]

We could still well get three cutesy blobs as newcomers, but I do feel that if there are already two characters who will be at least vaguely similar tonally and aesthetically among the newcomers, it hurts the chances of a third.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. Truce?

 

[Hoots]

It's Official, K. Rool passed Ridley up on my poll as "Nintendo's Most Wanted Newcomer".

As it should be.

 

[Jaedrik]

There are no guarantees, humans are not so bound, but rather are far more subject to their will.
Take a look at the Supreme Court of the United States of America for example, they have set numerous precedents that clearly go against the precedents, beliefs, and philosophies that held this nation firm before. It all depends on the judges of the time, if we get some serious activist judges who just want to push their agenda instead of preserving justice, things will change.
Sakurai-san is not so subject to all of our perceived rigidities (another word my computer doesn't know is real), especially how he has shown his mysteriousness in the past. I would say the same for any man on the Namco team.

I feel like it's generally assumed we're gonna get a FE13 character. While I actually do think that Chrom will replace Ike, it is still totally up in the air as to what will actually happen and who we'll get. There are solid arguments for a variety of FE13 characters, and who knows what happens in Sakurai's skull. Hopefully Ike won't be cut and we can manage to increase the variety seen in the FE roster, but...
Shrug.

I agree, but Anna. Also, you have rekindled my passion, I now write futher on my Anna essay.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think the big things that will determine characters this time around are: Popularity, Moveset/Gameplay Potential, Sakurai's Personal opinion, Nintendo's opinion (Think FE and PKMN)

It sounds like he may add some older characters, but that doesn't necessarily mean Takamaru. One thing Takamaru may have going against him is that he's a Japan only character.

He could very well add Balloon Fighter, or Mach Rider. Takamaru isn't the only retro choice.

Or even Duck Hunt Dog...

 

[volbound1700]

There are no guarantees, humans are not so bound, but rather are far more subject to their will.
Take a look at the Supreme Court of the United States of America for example, they have set numerous precedents that clearly go against the precedents, beliefs, and philosophies that held this nation firm before. It all depends on the judges of the time, if we get some serious activist judges who just want to push their agenda instead of preserving justice, things will change.
Sakurai-san is not so subject to all of our perceived rigidities (another word my computer doesn't know is real), especially how he has shown his mysteriousness in the past. I would say the same for any man on the Namco team.

Sakurai does have one boss, the consumer. He could do a bunch of dumb roster picks and people could not buy his game and it flop. Then that will wake him up.

 

[Jaedrik]

Sakurai does have one boss, the consumer. He could do a bunch of dumb roster picks and people could not buy his game and it flop. Then that will wake him up.

I do align certainly with what you're saying, the consumer is the end all be all natural regulation, but I think too many people. . . think they know what will sell and what wont, especially with all those expert statisticians and the like companies frequently employ, and for a company nowadays, unfortunately, it's not always about the consumer. (horray crony capitalism!)
Thankfully, Nintendo and the Smash team seem dedicated and passionate, and they don't seem to have any, erm, lobbyists and special interest folks pushing for legislation in their favor.

Also, I would challenge, people's perception of 'dumb'. :3

 

[Jasmine Dragon]

It sounds like he may add some older characters, but that doesn't necessarily mean Takamaru. One thing Takamaru may have going against him is that he's a Japan only character.

He could very well add Balloon Fighter, or Mach Rider. Takamaru isn't the only retro choice.

Correct me If I'm wrong, but The Villager's up B seems to be a reference to Balloon Fighter. Also I think the compelling evidence is that he mentioned breathing life back into an older franchise and then all of a sudden a wild Mysterious Murasame Castle mini game appears. The writing is on the wall!

 

[Yogibur]

Honestly the guy with the duck hunt dog avatar made me want duck hunt dog in the game

 

[Deleted member]

@ChronoBound (#20778): It's hard to say how many newcomer will be in, though given that Namco is working on the game and they managed to balance nicely a 62 character roster for Tekken Tag Tournament, I'm feeling pretty good in that we will get at least fifty characters when taking into account transformation (and I am aware of the roster comment, though I think it's referring more to mechanical issues than issues with space). Anywhere from twelve to eighteen additions seems like a possible range.

I am expecting at the very least to see Mewtwo, Dixie Kong, a retro rep and a misc. newcomer.

Megaman's reveal was incredibly significant, especially if you're a long time fan of his. Megaman hasn't been in a game since 2010, he was excluded from Marvel vs. Capcom 3, he was made into a joke character in Tekken vs Street Fighter, and both Megaman Universe and Megaman Legends 3 were canceled last year. It's been rough for Megaman fans for awhile, to say the least. Why it's also significant is because most people agree that he was by far the most deserving third party character for Brawl. He's made close to 100 game appearances and has been the star of more than 70 games with more than 4/5ths of them appearing on Nintendo platforms at some point since 1987. Needless to say, the reveal was a very big deal. Snake might have opened the gate for third party characters but the most deserving third party character finally got a spot.

I honestly think that this move may have very well saved the franchise from death. What this shows is that Capcom does at least care about Mega Man to some extent and the fact that Capcom saw Mega Man as worth adding into Smash beside having more relevant characters (Ryu, Chris Redfield, Leon Kennedy, etc.) shows that they do give the IP some value. Had Capcom said "no", it would likely indicate the eventual death of the franchise, which would have made me lose all hope in the gaming industry.

I can truly appreciate Mega Man's appearance in Smash being possible, especially when he had some significant things stacking against him (Capcom's greed, being third-party and the possibility of Sakurai and Capcom not contacting each other). It's why I've been saying Mega Man's inclusion would guarantee me purchase of the game and now that Mega Man is a reality, I will make good on that promise regardless of what happens to the roster.

I'm guessing the will go with the naming conventions of Smash 64.

Speaking of Smash 64 I would love it if the Character Select screen had the throw-back 64 BGM.

I liked how the character select screen gave a more "Smash" feeling than an "epic" feeling that Melee and Brawl did and that the character select screen had different music than the main menu.

I think if Sakurai is thinking/hoping that Pac-Man is going to get the same reception that Sonic/Mega Man got, then he is mistaken, especially if he plans to use Pac-Man as a last minute hype generator. At this point, Pac-Man is the only third-party newcomer I could still see getting in (aside from the two guests from Brawl returning).

I think Pac-Man will end up being one of the least popular newcomers for this game, guest or not. There were a variety of reasons why Sonic and Mega Man were hyped so much. Hopefully, Pac-Man will be the only "bad" newcomer this game gets (I consider the Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac and Mii to all be good, if not great or excellent choices).

Here's a really, really scary though. What if that list was not a leak about what characters would happen for E3, but rather what newcomers in general were in the game. I think Sakurai would certainly have hell to pay if there were only six newcomers, and that of them, only Mega Man and Little Mac were popularly requested additions.

Then Sakurai should be incredibly thankful that he included Mega Man because otherwise, I would not buy the game with such a shoddy roster. Even then, I would be really furious at the result.

But like Swampasaur said, Sakurai isn't going to be that stupid. I see no scenario where we don't get Mewtwo, a Fire Emblem character (my guess being Roy), a Donkey Kong newcomer and a retro newcomer.

If Sonic gets cut, there WILL be backslash. That, I can say for sure.

The last thing I want to see is a bunch of Sonic fans raid the board and have to witness the worst of the fan base over and over again.

Hardly.

Ask me back on Monday and I would have argued why I felt Takamaru was as close to a guarantee as we're going to get for a newcomer and would have argued this with certainty. But with two retro newcomers being unlikely and Mach Rider being a real candidate for a spot, my confidence has been shaken for Takamaru.

 

[Jasmine Dragon]

As it should be.

Truer words...

 

[Arcadenik]

Honestly the guy with the duck hunt dog avatar made me want duck hunt dog in the game

Here's the link to the Duck Hunt Dog support thread.

 

[Hoots]

I'm guessing the will go with the naming conventions of Smash 64.

Speaking of Smash 64 I would love it if the Character Select screen had the throw-back 64 BGM.

When I listen to this, all I can imagine is Spike flying through space in the Swordfish II.

 

[Deleted member]

I wonder if Sakurai isn't done trolling.
We do have a Nintendogs stage now, and when he denied Villager in Brawl, he also denied a Nintendogs character...

Though unlike the Villager, I'm pretty sure being able to beat up a little somewhat realistic puppy or kitten would raise some moral issue.
So the Nintendogs character would be...
RoboPup.

I call it now.

 

[Deleted member]

From: http://www.cubed3.com/news/16920

Granted, this is hardly a definite confirmation, however, seeing how he responded to THAT specific question makes you think that he probably has plans on reviving an old franchise. With the introduction of Takamaru's minigame in Nintendo Land (complete with its own Smash-like icon), all signs point to Mysterious Murasame Castle being revived. I don't think they'd do this if Takamaru himself didn't get some kind of rebirth in the form of Smash.

I'm not saying that Takamaru is absolutely confirmed, but all signs point to him being included.

Hasn't Takamaru the character, in a way, already been kind of revived here (and no, I don't think he was directly referring to the franchise so much as the characters themselves)? I don't know about others here, but I doubt Sakurai was referring to Takamaru when thinking of characters to revive because of this reason.

Mach Rider fits that description a lot more, which is why I've been saying he has a real shot of getting in for over a year.

 

[~automatic]

Isabelle would have been funny to play as.

 

[YoshiSonic]

If Sega representatives were to come in, I would like Sonic, Tails, and Eggman. It would be a bit unfair to the other third parties, but if there is a chance I would like them to be in the next Smash bros.

Other then that I really hope to believe Luigi and Yoshi are still in the game...please let it be so.

 

[Deleted member]

It's Official, K. Rool passed Ridley up on my poll as "Nintendo's Most Wanted Newcomer".

Probably has something to do with the "life support" effect. Not that it'll do anything for him at this point, but Mega Man also had the "life support" effect and he got in. Makes me go "hmmm..."

 

[Arcadenik]

Probably has something to do with the "life support" effect. Not that it'll do anything for him at this point, but Mega Man also had the "life support" effect and he got in. Makes me go "hmmm..."

Probably because Dixie Kong got in the new DKC game... so the K. Rool supporters might be a little bit desperate since he's not relevant like she is.

 

[Hoots]

Isabelle would have been funny to play as.

I'd prefer Scoot. I'd love a chance to beat the **** out of him.

I had spent weeks waiting for the Cyan paint to come to Tom Nook's shop, and the day after I finally got it, this ************ paints my roof green. **** you, Scoot. I'll never forgive you.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I've said this many times before but I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai ended up "adopting" Takamaru like he did Pit once SSB4 is out of development. Also, is it just me or has the Mysterious Murasame Castle/the Mystery of Murasame been getting a lot of buzz in the past year? A lot of developers have expressed interest in reviving the franchise.

 

[Jasmine Dragon]

Hasn't Takamaru the character, in a way, already been kind of revived here (and no, I don't think he was directly referring to the franchise so much as the characters themselves)? I don't know about others here, but I doubt Sakurai was referring to Takamaru when thinking of characters to revive because of this reason.

Mach Rider fits that description a lot more, which is why I've been saying he has a real shot of getting in for over a year.

Do you mean revived here on the forums? I think there is plenty of room to revive Takamaru. The inclusion of Takamaru's IP as a mini game for the Wii U, to me, alludes to future plans for the franchise. He wasn't even technically in it, your Mii just dressed as him, so I don't think that he's been revived at all, but it certainly seems like they're beginning the process. Of course this could all be very wishful thinking sigh...

 

[Deleted member]

Probably because Dixie Kong got in the new DKC game... so the K. Rool supporters might be a little bit desperate since he's not relevant like she is.

That's what I was thinking when I said "life support" effect, although King K. Rool already had it from his absence from Donkey Kong Country Returns, so this only intensify the "life support" effect for King K. Rool.

Do you mean revived here on the forums? I think there is plenty of room to revive Takamaru. The inclusion of Takamaru's IP as a mini game for the Wii U, to me, alludes to future plans for the franchise. He wasn't even technically in it, your Mii just dressed as him, so I don't think that he's been revived at all, but it certainly seems like they're beginning the process. Of course this could all be very wishful thinking sigh...

By revived, I mean that he's been making cameos lately. He's appeared in WarioWare D.I.Y., he's appeared in Captain Rainbow and he's even gotten a mode in the Wii version of Samurai Warriors 3 in which he's playable. The franchise may not have revived, but Takamaru as a character has.

 

[Shorts]

So, I didn't lie, but I didn't tell you the full details. Votes as of 1212 ~

Do you prefer normal rainbow, or this pastel?

Uber Tier
· Mewtwo 799

Top Tier
· King K. Rool 623
· Ridley 621

High Tier
· Roy 570
· Little Mac (Punch Out) 513

Mid Tier
· Palutena 467
· Bowser Junior 456
· Krystal 451
· Isaac (Golden Sun) 422
· Paper Mario 412

Low Tier
· Waluigi 391
· Chrom 390
· Shulk (Xenoblade) 372
· Dixie Kong 358
· Banjo & Kazooie 352
· Majora (Skull Kid) 340
· Ghirahim 315
· Samurai Goroh 315
· Pac-Man 300

Bottom Tier
· Black Shadow 298
· 2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Shadow, Knuckles) 293
· Bomberman 292
· Lyn 287
· 6th Gen Pokemon 277
· Toad 255
· Lucina 252
· Mii (Wii Series) 251
· Rayman 245
· Dark Samus 240
· Zoroark 236
· Bayonetta 236
· Super Mario RPG (Geno, Mallow) 234
· Castlevania (Simon Belmont, Alucard, Dracula) 228
· Kingdom Hearts (Sora) 227
· Takamaru (The Mysterious Musasame Castle) 222
· Rosalina 220
· Pokemon Trainer (Johto) 219
· Ace Attorney (Phoenix Write) 218
· Doctor Mario 215
· Kamek 214
· Medusa 214
· King Boo 213
· Balloon Fighter 213
· Eevee (and Eeveelutions) 210
· Saki (Sin & Punishment) 210
· Pokemon Trainer (Hoenn) 201
· Toon Zelda 200

Almost Tier
· Claus (Masked Man) 199
· Vaati 197
· Viewtiful Joe 195
· Tom Nook (Animal Crossing 191

Everyone Else !

Spoiler

· Tetra 188
· Midna 187
· Dillon (Rolling Western) 184
· Wolf Link 182
· Crono Trigger (Crono) 182
· Professor Layton 181
· Tales Series (Cless/Cress, Lloyd) 181
· Final Fantasy (Chocobo, Black Mage, Moogle, Cloud, Lightning) 180
· Ashley 179
· Shy Guy 175
· Young Link 174
· Anna 172
· Captain Syrup 170
· Dark Pit 169
· Baby Mario & Luigi 168
· Ray MK (Custom Robo) 168
· Pokemon Trainer (Kalos) 167
· Magnus 166
· No More Hereos (Travis Touchdown) 160
· Mona 156
· Scribblenauts (Maxwell) 156
· Deoxys 155
· Hades 154
· Daisy 149
· Bandana Dee 148
· Pokemon Trainer (Sinnoh) 147
· Slippy 145
· Porky 145
· Conker's Bad Fur Day (Conker) 144
· Pokemon Trainer N 142
· Black Knight 141
· Street Fighter (Ryu, Chun Li, M. Bison) 141
· Pokemon Trainer Villain (Rocket Plasma Galactic Aqua Magma) 140
· Knuckle Joe 138
· Funky Kong 137
· Andy (Advanced Wars) 137
· Meowth 134
· Micaiah 134
· Impa 133
· Fawful 132
· Classic Link 129
· Tharja 129
· K.K Slider (Animal Crossing) 129
· Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) 129
· Toon Ganondorf 128
· Plusle & Minun 127
· Pichu 125
· Kat & Ana 124
· Genesect 124
· Prince Fluff 123
· Lip (Panel De Pon) 122
· Viridi 121
· 2nd Metal Gear Character (Raiden, Gray Fox) 114
· Eirika 113
· Tingle 112
· Pokemon Champion Cynthia 112
· Toon Sheik 111
· Baby Bowser 109
· Fiora (Xenoblade) 107
· Robin (FE13 Avatar) 106
· Kumatora 106
· Tiki 105
· Alex (Golden Sun) 104
· Soul Calibur (Nightmare, Ivy Valentine) 104
· Yarn Kirby 102
· Poo 101
· Hector 100
· Mew 98
· Jill (Drill Dozer) 98
· Peppy 97
· Jimmy T. 96
· Darkrai 96
· Sylux 95
· Battletoads (Zitz) 95
· Adeliene 92
· Duck Hunt Dog 92
· Ninja Gaiden (Ryu Hayabusa) 92
· Louie (Pikmin) 89
· Elite Beat Agents 88
· KOS-MOS (Xenosaga) 88
· Jeff 87
· Captain Rainbow 85
· Ninten 83
· Yarn Yoshi 82
· Felix (Golden Sun) 82
· Ephraim 81
· Zael (The Last Story) 81
· Mach Rider 80
· Groose 79
· Tekken (Heihachi, Jin, Kazuya) 78
· Blood Falcon 77
· Paula 77
· Matthew (Golden Sun) 77
· Resident Evil (Jill Valentine Chris Redfeild Leon Kennedy) 77
· Jody Summer 76
· Mike Jones (Star Tropics) 76
· Victini 75
· Eggplant Wizard 75
· Aeron (Pandora's Tower) 75
· Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight) 74
· Dragon Quest (Slime) 74
· Flint 73
· Meloetta 70
· Giygas 70
· Lanky Kong 69
· Captain N 69
· Gardevoir 68
· Captain Quartet (Pikmin 3) 65
· Tempo (Harmo Knight) 67
· Isa Jo (Sin & Punishment) 66
· Phantom Zelda 65
· Caeda 65
· Leon 62
· Cranky Kong 61
· Excited Biker 58
· Mallo (Pushmo) 58
· Anthony Higgs 55
· Bubbles (Clu Clu Land) 55
· Muddy Mole (Mole Mania) 55
· Eliwood 54
· Marx 53
· Ana 53
· Donkey Kong Junior 52
· Panther 52
· NO THIRD PARTY CHARACTERS 52
· Andross 52
· 52 (1.5%)
· Alex Roivas (Eternal Darkness) 50
· Dunban (Xenoblade) 50
· Reyn (Xenoblade) 50
· Elincia 48
· Calista (The Last Story) 48
· Walhart 47
· Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) 43
· Leaf 41
· Alice (Balloon Kid) 39
· Sakura Samurai (Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword) 38
· Magolor 37
· Ashley Robbins (Trace Memory / Another Road) 37
· Gooey 35
· Orublon 33
· Soren 33
· Pico 32
· Shake King 31
· Sigurd 31
· Tiki Tong 30
· Deathborn 30
· Stanly the Bugman 28
· Kyle Hyde (Hotel Dusk) 26
· Urban Champion 25
· Celice 24
· Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Detective Club pt. II) 23
· Hunter (Fossil Fighter) 23
· Heracles (Glory of Heracles) 22
· Tamagon (Devil World) 22
· Kiddie Kong 21
· Daroach 21
· Demille (Tomato Adventure) 21
· Dr. Stewart 20
· John Raimi (Geist) 20
· Hero (Magc Starsign / Vacation) 19
· Labrador / Grey Tabby (Nintendogs + Cats) 19
· Dr. Write (Sim City) 18
· Ryuta (Ouendan) 18
· Prince Richard (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) 18
· Narbarl 17
· Welt (Soma Bringer) 16
· Lark (PilotWings) 15
· Ryota Hayami (Wave Race) 15

 

[Moon Monkey]

If Sega representatives were to come in, I would like Sonic, Tails, and Eggman. It would be a bit unfair to the other third parties, but if there is a chance I would like them to be in the next Smash bros.


Other then that I really hope to believe Luigi and Yoshi are still in the game...please let it be so.

Sonic alone will suffice. Anymore is pushing it. I do see Eggman and Dr. Wily teaming up and being a sick boss in the story mode though.

Luigi is pretty much confirmed based off of thar sharpy drawing Sakurai posted a long time ago. And I HOPE my main, Yoshi returns!

 

[FalKoopa]

Luigi is pretty much confirmed based off of thar sharpy drawing Sakurai posted a long time ago. And I HOPE my main, Yoshi returns!

Any one who thinks Luigi and Yoshi aren't shoe-ins is an idiot.

 

[Hoots]

So, I didn't lie, but I didn't tell you the full details. Votes as of 1212 ~
Do you prefer normal rainbow, or this pastel?

Definitely the pastel. Looks great.

 

[Yogibur]

Duck hunt dog only had 92 votes even mii has a better chance ;c

 

[Deleted member]

Definitely the pastel. Looks great.

This, the color of the pastel helps as it is easier on the eye overall.

 

[Arcadenik]

Duck hunt dog only had 92 votes even mii has a better chance ;c

Even if Duck Hunt Dog doesn't get in SSB4, Shortie's poll is not the be-all, end-all factor in Sakurai's eyes. Wii Fit Trainer got 0 votes and she got in, see what I am saying? The poll is only to gauge popularity among Smash fans, not for determining who will get in Smash.

 

[Shorts]

Duck hunt dog only had 92 votes even mii has a better chance ;c

Well, the Miis (depending on if you believe it or not) have been pretty much confirmed, so yeah. I can't wait to do my next poll in November.

Definitely the pastel. Looks great.

Yay, pastel from now on.

Even if Duck Hunt Dog doesn't get in SSB4, Shortie's poll is not the be-all, end-all factor in Sakurai's eyes. Wii Fit Trainer got 0 votes and she got in, see what I am saying? The poll is only to gauge popularity among Smash fans, not for determining who will get in Smash.

Exactly. I'm merely seeing what people want. I wonder if anyone from Nintendo has seen my results. I hope so.

 

[Jasmine Dragon]

By revived, I mean that he's been making cameos lately. He's appeared in WarioWare D.I.Y., he's appeared in Captain Rainbow and he's even gotten a mode in the Wii version of Samurai Warriors 3 in which he's playable. The franchise may not have revived, but Takamaru as a character has.

This to me is the perfect situation for Takamaru to be in. All these little cameos bringing him back into peoples minds and then he ends up in smash and garners massive appeal because lez be serious fellas, he's awesome. From there Sakurai can revive the franchise with an actual game starring Takamaru.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Oooo Palutena's up to 6th place in there now? Sweet! <3

 

[YoshiSonic]

Any one who thinks Luigi and Yoshi aren't shoe-ins is an idiot.

 

[Shorts]

Oooo Palutena's up to 6th place in there now? Sweet! <3

She actually fell a tier. She was in the High Tier a few hundred votes before.

The more votes I get, the more solidified the popularity of characters become

 

[Admiral Pit]

She actually fell a tier. She was in the High Tier a few hundred votes before.

She'll be back up eventually... I hope. D:

 

[Jasmine Dragon]

Do you prefer normal rainbow, or this pastel?

I'm colorblind and I thought the pastel looked nice and was easy to read.

 

[Yogibur]

I know if DLC is a possibility(which its looking like its not)he could maybe get into the game that way

 

[Platsy]

She'll be back up eventually... I hope. D:

Even if she remains mid tier, she's still in the top 10 and is over 200 votes ahead of the 2nd highest KI rep, Medusa.

 

[Shorts]

She'll be back up eventually... I hope. D:

Possibly, but the way the tiers work are based on how many votes characters get, and how their relevant to one another. Like, Palutena could NEVER reach High tier if Little Mac and Roy keep getting votes the way they do. I believe Roy will be the only character in High tier come 1300 votes, but 1400 votes he'll be back to sharing it with Little Mac, and maybe a few others. Palutena is about 10 votes away from Junior and Krystal. She really seems to belong in the Mid tier