Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[FlareHabanero]

In my opinion, I do like the Sonic & All-Stars Racing games more then Mario Kart. Probably because of the greater emphasis on speed and balance, plus the bonus fanservice for SEGA fans.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I haven't played the Sonic Racing games yet, heard they were pretty good. I was gonna buy Transformed on Steam before my hard drive crashed, now I'm too paranoid of it happening again on this ****ty comp to buy it...

The game is pretty fun and challenging, though you have to get a hang of it if you want to clear World Tour Mode by earning every star (You need all stars to get Reala). You can unlock the characters and mods depending on the number of stars you get (you can get 1-4 stars in each mission depending on the difficulty). Certain levels are great and very unique, though there are some that are very frustrating (Looks at Burning Depths and Dragon Canyon). The roster is pretty decent, though Danica and the non-Sonic secondary characters are the only cons. The best part is no blue shell-esque item. This is coming from someone who owns the game.

 

[Deleted member]

In my opinion, I do like the Sonic & All-Stars Racing games more then Mario Kart. Probably because of the greater emphasis on speed and balance, plus the bonus fanservice for SEGA fans.

I was never a SEGA fan, but I'm interested in their IP, I have the whole OST for Jet Set Radio on my mp3, it's damn good.

Also, way off-topic, but, The Lone Ranger looks pretty sweet. I loved the Pirates movies. Looks like I got a movie to watch this summer.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

The last Nintendo/sega game is smash 4.
Sonic confirmed for ssb4
Ssb4 confirmed for 2013

 

[8-peacock-8]

AGES Vs. R.O.B.

A great race.

[collapse=R.O.B.'s car, boat, and plane. In that exact order]

 

[Holder of the Heel]

That Ganondorf Wind Waker laugh is amazing. The sound of death, the sound of a part of him dying. A sound that came out in the form of laughter, the only thing one can do when faced with absurdity is laugh. *stops randomly being poetic*

Also, way off-topic, but, The Lone Ranger looks pretty sweet. I loved the Pirates movies. Looks like I got a movie to watch this summer.

The movie I'm looking forward to is This Is The End, and most of the reviews I've seen were pretty positive which is a relief. Always appreciate a comedy that is actually comedic these days. Through the magic of the internet I recently watched the third Hangover and felt pretty underwhelmed, and this is coming from a person who liked the second when many weren't very fond of it.

Also watched (through the magic of the internet) the new Star Trek movie, and it was okay. Has some feels, good acting, some nice action, although a (unsurprisingly) thin story. Might watch The Great Gatsby next although I've never read the book.

 

[8-peacock-8]

That Ganondorf Wind Waker laugh is amazing. The sound of death, the sound of a part of him dying. A sound that came out in the form of laughter, the only thing one can do when faced with absurdity is laugh. *stops randomly being poetic*



The movie I'm looking forward to is This Is The End, and most of the reviews I've seen were pretty positive which is a relief. Always appreciate a comedy that is actually comedic these days. Through the magic of the internet I recently watched the third Hangover and felt pretty underwhelmed, and this is coming from a person who liked the second when many weren't very fond of it.

Also watched (through the magic of the internet) the new Star Trek movie, and it was okay. Has some feels, good acting, some nice action, although a (unsurprisingly) thin story. Might watch The Great Gatsby next although I've never read the book.

Read the book before watching Gatsby.

 

[Deleted member]

That Ganondorf Wind Waker laugh is amazing. The sound of death, the sound of a part of him dying. A sound that came out in the form of laughter, the only thing one can do when faced with absurdity is laugh. *stops randomly being poetic*



The movie I'm looking forward to is This Is The End, and most of the reviews I've seen were pretty positive which is a relief. Always appreciate a comedy that is actually comedic these days. Through the magic of the internet I recently watched the third Hangover and felt pretty underwhelmed, and this is coming from a person who liked the second when many weren't very fond of it.

Also watched (through the magic of the internet) the new Star Trek movie, and it was okay. Has some feels, good acting, some nice action, although a (unsurprisingly) thin story. Might watch The Great Gatsby next although I've never read the book.

Last movie I watched in the theatre was Django with my (now) exgf. Friggin loved it. I love Westerns, and I LOVE Tarantino films.

Also, Gatsby is a great book, haven't seen the movie, but I've read the book a couple times. I recommend it. Movie looks good though, always love me a good DiCaprio film.

As for the Hangover, I found both of the original ones to be rather... Meh, interesting to watch for the plot, but I rarely laughed out loud when watching them. Guess it's the kinda movie where you need a couple drinks or w/e to really have a good time.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Last movie I watched in the theatre was Django with my (now) exgf. Friggin loved it. I love Westerns, and I LOVE Tarantino films.

Yeah I seen that twice, it's pretty good. I really started to feel the length of the movie weighing down on my mind after a while admittedly, and there is one scene towards the end that I can't go into because of spoiler reasons that I have some logical issues with (that you might be able to pick up what I'm puttin' down just from that).

Also, Gatsby is a great book, haven't seen the movie, but I've read the book a couple times. I recommend it. Movie looks good though, always love me a good DiCaprio film.

It's been a while since I've read a story start to finish, so I might read it as peacock suggests. And I enjoy a DiCaprio film as well, he's enjoyable and the movies he is in are generally good themselves. A lot of the internet always complains about him not winning any Grammys or whatever.

As for the Hangover, I found both of the original ones to be rather... Meh, interesting to watch for the plot, but I rarely laughed out loud when watching them. Guess it's the kinda movie where you need a couple drinks or w/e to really have a good time.

Are you suggesting I got drunk to enjoy them! I have never drank alcohol before! But yeah comedies are especially subject to taste it seems (and are also subject to be commonly awful or "meh" in general). If you liked Chow and Alan in those movies you'll possibly like the third, because it is very Chow-and-Alan-centric. To me though that ended up making it rather nonsensical and silly compared to the others (despite me actually liking the two characters, particularly Alan). And although formulaic, I enjoyed the Hangover "discover-what-we-did-last-night" premise that is lacking in the third (and is generally the main complaint for the second, as in, the second was rather "unoriginal" in premise).

 

[Diddy Kong]

You still didn't read the part that I'm not talking about that idea, but your original idea? Great headstart already.
Your original idea said nothing about giving the option for Pikachu to be alone. Guess you really did force yourself to forget your old idea out of embarrassment.

It's nothing out of embarrassment, more that it isn't what the idea is anymore. If you'd just drop the ****** behaviour of trying to undermine everything I say cause of personal opinions aka as you like to call it: blind arrogance maybe you'd understand.

Still not talking about the evolution gimmick. Maybe if you laid off the joint, you'd get that by now.
I'm talking your original rehash gimmick used as a way to shoehorn Pichu back as well as add Raichu that pretty much was a Pokémon Trainer that used one of each evolutionary line. If I remember correctly, the Trainer you suggested was someone like Yellow from the Adventures manga.

Then why even bother? It was how I came up with the idea, but fleshed it out later which is obviously a better idea. I see no reason to bring this up other than to ***** about it being a rehash to you.

-Least unique, yet somehow different enough to be able to have a noticeable difference on the tier list than his counterpart (which is only possible if *gasp* Dr. Mario was in fact unique) in comparison to Fox and Falco, who are literally only one place different from each other.
Only thing that can really be claimed as a rehash about him is that he's an alternate version of Mario from a different series.
Though the same would apply to the likes of Paper Mario, another alternate version of Mario from a different series.

Fox and Falco differ far more than Mario and Dr.Mario. That they are both top tier is not cause they're so close to each other in fighting style, but cause they're both great characters. They have different jumping and running speeds alone already for example. This got both to play far different playstyles.

Dr.Mario is preffered over Mario cause of his better projectile and F Air. And that's basically all what's really noticably different, safe for their Forward Smashes. their overall playstyle is far more similar than any other of the clones. And even more similar to how Mario and Luigi where in SSB64.

-Unoriginal, yes. A darker counterpart of a main character is rather cliché. Wario and Waluigi are nowhere near the first examples of one, nor are they the last.
But unless there are other tall and lanky beings of pure rage, rottenness, and chaos in the Mario series before Waluigi, he's not a rehash.

Well whatever, he's probably the best choice out of these 3 anyway so I won't even bother too much with Waluigi. His unoriginal concept alone as you admitted makes me already not want him. If we'd got a Mario newcomer before him, I'd be willing to consider him. Not my first choice though.

-DK is an ape that steals a plumber's girlfriend and tosses barrels at him as he tries to go save her just because he's a stubborn ape.
Ralph is giant who smashes a building because it was built where his old forest home used to be and he was forcibly removed from the area for construction.
Not a rehash by any stretch. The fact you continue to label him as such after you've already been discredited in the Ralph thread shows either a poor sense of judgment or a strong sense of blind arrogance.

No originally the idea behind Donkey Kong was that he escaped from the zoo, and wanted to take revenge on Mario by kidnapping his girlfriend and taking her to a construction site. Ralph is build ape-like to with his giant arms, and his color pallette resemble's DK's a lot, which is likely a hint towards DK. His personality also hugely resembles DK's.

However you wanna see it, the concept of Wreck-It- Ralph is entirely based of the Donkey Kong arcade. Especially since they went and made their own damn arcade game I'm not even bothering calling you names for not seeing this. It's just stupid. Plain and simple. Much like the thought of putting him in Smash Bros.

Wish I could say the same. You're probably one of the ones I least like to talk to.

I do like talking to you however. Not even sarcastic here. Your sence of self-importance is quite humorous sometimes.

It's a Trainer that uses a set of three Pokémon of different evolution stages.
Regardless of what Pokémon they are, it's still a rehash of an existing concept.

Numerous other sorts of Pokémon Trainer ideas have been suggested. A very popular one: the second generation Trainer, starring: the Johto starters. With, guess what: a 1st, 2nd and final stage evolution. But cool you bash me for this idea. Cause we all know how often I talk about this one anyway.

If DK being a source inspiration for Ralph despite minimal connections makes Ralph a rip-off/rehash, then DK is ironically the biggest rip-off star of all. (with Mario coming in at 2nd)
DK would be then nothing but a rip-off of Popeye's Brutus mixed with King Kong. And unlike the Ralph/DK example, DK draws a lot more connections to the two. Especially when you consider he's an ape that kidnaps a girl and climbs a structure (King Kong) in a game that was originally designed as a Popeye game (Brutus).
Maybe Universal was on to something when they tried to sue Nintendo.

We're speaking of the 80s here. Wreck-It-Ralph is now. Metroid was also inspired by Alien, and a lot of games where inspired by movies. At least Nintendo created something original out of combining the two ideas. And look at the series nowadays. As long as Wreck-It-Ralph is a DK-inspired movie character with a few game apperances I don't want him in Smash.

No, you didn't. Maybe the fumes made you forget, but I didn't.
Waaaaaaay back on the old closed thread, aside from Impa, your biggest thing was a Pikachu Trainer because it was "such a great idea". No evolution.

Nah my Impa idea was far before that. And I never said it was the greatest, neither did I say it was even gonna happen. And always promoted Pikachu being playable in his own still. Your free to think of it however you please. But bringing this up constantly cause you pissed of me saying Goku, Ralph and Dr.Mario won't and shouldn't be in Smash only shows how mature you are.

Smash doesn't need another Lethal Joke Character, it's got Jigglypuff, who should be returned to that status.
Pichu as a regular Joke Character is fine as is.

Only cause you cool with clones and probably pissed Pichu can bring more to the table than Dr.Mario.

Will reply the rest later, iPad battery is almost dead.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Paragraphs.
Paragraphs everywhere.
*cracks knuckles*
Whelp! This should be a good read.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah I seen that twice, it's pretty good. I really started to feel the length of the movie weighing down on my mind after a while admittedly, and there is one scene towards the end that I can't go into because of spoiler reasons that I have some logical issues with (that you might be able to pick up what I'm puttin' down just from that).

I suppose the scene includes someone flying back from a mere gunshot at an odd angle? I took it as slapstick comedy, nothing more. It's meant to defy logic.

It's been a while since I've read a story start to finish, so I might read it as peacock suggests. And I enjoy a DiCaprio film as well, he's enjoyable and the movies he is in are generally good themselves. A lot of the internet always complains about him not winning any Grammys or whatever.

Yeah, DiCaprio's never won an Oscar I think it was, shame too, dude is overdue for one.

Are you suggesting I got drunk to enjoy them! I have never drank alcohol before! But yeah comedies are especially subject to taste it seems (and are also subject to be commonly awful or "meh" in general). If you liked Chow and Alan in those movies you'll possibly like the third, because it is very Chow-and-Alan-centric. To me though that ended up making it rather nonsensical and silly compared to the others (despite me actually liking the two characters, particularly Alan). And although formulaic, I enjoyed the Hangover "discover-what-we-did-last-night" premise that is lacking in the third (and is generally the main complaint for the second, as in, the second was rather "unoriginal" in premise).

Like I said, the plot is good, it's just not a good comedy, even for a Stoner Comedy. I mean, Dude Where's My Car got a couple chuckles outta me and that movie is baaaaaaad. I suppose there were some funny scenes in the Hangover movies, but I just can't recall them.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

AGES Vs. R.O.B.

A great race.

[collapse=R.O.B.'s car, boat, and plane. In that exact order]

 

[Croph]

Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed is a great game imo. I even like it a tad more than Mario Kart, especially with the transformation aspect. I'm perfectly satisfied with the roster (kinda sad that Ristar didn't make as a racer, but I'm glad he's the flagman. Better than nothing. :3). The tracks are absolutely stunning, and some of my faves are: Temple Trouble, Galactic Parade, Dream Valley, and Burning Depths. I was really hoping for a Space Channel 5 track though. Cuz it would have been groovy! But still, I ain't complaining in the end and I would definitely recommend the game.

 

[BumbleBomb]

I'm excited, this will be the first smash game i will have been member for this site for, now I can learn match-ups with everyone and not be behind.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed is a great game imo. I even like it a tad more than Mario Kart, especially with the transformation aspect. I'm perfectly satisfied with the roster (kinda sad that Ristar didn't make as a racer, but I'm glad he's the flagman. Better than nothing. :3). The tracks are absolutely stunning, and some of my faves are: Temple Trouble, Galactic Parade, Dream Valley, and Burning Depths. I was really hoping for a Space Channel 5 track though. Cuz it would have been groovy! But still, I ain't complaining in the end and I would definitely recommend the game.

Did you know that there was originally going to to some Valkyria Chronicles Content in it? The sad part is that they couldn't do it due to licensing issues. The Space Channel 5 track was going to be done, but they rejected it due not not looking right. I wanted both stages so badly.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I suppose the scene includes someone flying back from a mere gunshot at an odd angle? I took it as slapstick comedy, nothing more. It's meant to defy logic.

Nah, it was a serious sequence of events that didn't make sense that had a big impact on what happened, that wasn't even for comedic purposes. Besides, that scene you are talking about wouldn't have spoilerish to reference. XP

Also Manly, would you be up for some pre-E3 Brawling with some of us here? The concept keeps getting brought up, but no one ever takes the bait. XP People are surprisingly not interested in playing one another in Smash here.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I myself haven't played it either. But from the looks of it, is it safe to say it plays like Diddy Kong Racing, but with all the vehicles mashed into one?

 

[Big-Cat]

I swear, Golden picks the topics with the most pointless meanings to argue.

 

[Croph]

Did you know that there was originally going to to some Valkyria Chronicles Content in it? The sad part is that they couldn't do it due to licensing issues. The Space Channel 5 track was going to be done, but they rejected it due not not looking right. I wanted both stages so badly.

Aw man, having some Valkyria Chronicles content would've been cool. It's a shame that they rejected the Space Channel 5 stage. With Space Channel 5's jazzy/funky and psychedelic themes, I'd imagine it would have been very atmospheric at least.

 

[---]

Did you know that there was originally going to to some Valkyria Chronicles Content in it? The sad part is that they couldn't do it due to licensing issues. The Space Channel 5 track was going to be done, but they rejected it due not not looking right. I wanted both stages so badly.

Didn't know that. I loved the Valkyria Chronicles series, best games Sega was putting out during the mid-late 2000s/Dark Age of Sonic.

I swear, Golden picks the topics with the most pointless meanings to argue.

Do any of them beat that time with HyperFalcon and his beef over everyone calling the Pokemon Trainer "Red?"

 

[8-peacock-8]

I wish that Kirby could have gotten into Transformed. Nintendo didn't have an excuse to keep him out when Sumo/SEGA asked. I think that they might still be agitated by the entire Air Ride thing though. (Even though I think Air Ride is awesome)

Oh yeah, supposedly, Sumo asked Nintendo for Kirby during development.

 

[Big-Cat]

Do any of them beat that time with HyperFalcon and his beef over everyone calling the Pokemon Trainer "Red?"

Probably not, but at least that was better than Daisy in Her Sports Outfit.

 

[Opossum]

Okay guys, I figured I'd give some form of an update on the up-and-coming Smash Spec Story.

I almost have the character sheet done, with all of the main characters and stuff, and what they're like. I'm just waiting on some insider info for the final three on the list. But that's hush-hush for now.

But on that note, I figure I'd ask you guys a couple of questions.

1) Should the deaths (other than those who requested a death) be determined by means of a RNG to add to the drama, or should they be planned manually?

2) Should the story be altered so that none of us know each other from the beginning, or should we all basically know who each of us are from the get go?

I'm just asking since my finals are almost done and my summer vacation is almost here.

 

[Big-Cat]

1. Deaths should be planned so as to not look like Ass Pulls.
2. From the beginning, with us meeting each other.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

1) Death's should ALWAYS be planned. RNG is a poison. It is also not as poetic, in my opinion. If you construct it and give real meaning behind every action you can really create a better method for passing on feels and meanings that transcend the story to the reader.

2) In my opinion we should know each other as we do now. Basically, we know OF each other, and have interacted mildly to varying degrees. Most if not all never having met face to face or even hearing each other's voice. That allows for development and interesting "first time" in person meetings and first time in depth interaction.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not in this case.

Sure.

Let's see:
-give each a variation of Neutral B move
-give each a variation of Up B move
-change Pikachu's Side B move, give Raichu his old one, and give Pichu a move that'd be completely useless in a Smash format
-make Raichu have Smash 64 Pikachu's "fighting style"
-Luigify Pichu in "some other ways"

You tire me dude.

Since you like lists:

Changes from Raichu and Pikachu:

- Heavier
- Faster running
- More lag on stronger attacks
- Bigger tail hitboxes
- Larger in size
- Pikachu N64's Forward Air (in effect, it was overpowered as ****)
- Pikachu N64,s Back Air and Neutral Air (different attacks all togheter)
- Pikachu N64's Forward Throw
- Skull Bash
- Just 2 jumps with Agility while Pikachu and Pichu get 3

Changes made to Pichu:

-Everything I listed before
-Back Air is now like in Melee SD remix
-Up Tilt is now a small headbut
-Thunderwave easily stuns enemies much like Zero Suit Samus's beams
-Forward Smash has a stunning effect now as well
-Down Air also has stunning effect on the last hit
-Upon landing with Pichu 's Up B on the ground, he gets a temporary speed boost (if he used all 3 jumps) that laste for about 4~5 seconds.

After this, you are no longer allowed to criticize anything you would consider "rehash", especially not any ideas to change Dr. Mario up.
I admit, this actually put me in a better mood. So I thank you for that.

So I need your premision now? You really ARE golden

Same here actually. You love trash talking me only to see it backfire and apperantly not realising this either.

Yeah, keep being a hypocritical stoner.
It's what you do best.

At the very least I wasn't continuously making claims that he will be in Smash and singlehandedly turn him into a pariah like you did with Impa.
Just that the possibility exists regardless of what people (including myself) were trained to believe.

Know that YOU personally are responsible for a lot of this to. If you didn't reply with pointless arguments and tried your best to claim your unwarranted 'superiority' the Impa debates could've been long gone history by me. Impa is still a lot more legitmate as a character idea than what you usually bring upon the table so yeah, as said before, keep doing your thing boy.

Also, we could've easily had friendly discussions about Impa here if it wasn't for your stupid and agressive opposition of just about everything you don't agree with. So yeah, keep on acting all spoiled up by all means.

 

[Opossum]

I feel as though I should explain the RNG thing a bit more. I don't mean in the sense of "oh, the RNG said right in the midst of the action so and so dies."

I meant, I build the story around what the RNG says before I write it.


Just for clarification, haha.

 

[Big-Cat]

Up with Krystal, down with WAAAAA.

@Opossum
The RNG can't take into account deaths that are planned by the author that have super big significance. I highly doubt J. K. Rowling decided to just go about kill Dumbledore and ESPECIALLY Snape out of no where. You can tell that was planned.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Didn't know that. I loved the Valkyria Chronicles series, best games Sega was putting out during the mid-late 2000s/Dark Age of Sonic.
"

I thought it was called the Great Sonic Depression.

Though, I actually agree that the Valkyria Chronicles games were the greatest Sega IP during that age.

 

[Opossum]

Spoilers, man!

Anyway, thanks for the input. The RNG was just a random thought I had, so I'm glad I ran it by you guys, haha. I personally wasn't too keen on the idea either.

Anywhozers, the story is almost out of the conceptual stage. I have some things planned, and I'm just trying to think about how to meaningfully piece it together. I was thinking to perhaps make part of it a framed story, or start in media res, but I'm not too sure about that. I will say that it comes from the perspective of many people, as to create more of a dynamic cast with no set main character.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I feel as though I should explain the RNG thing a bit more. I don't mean in the sense of "oh, the RNG said right in the midst of the action so and so dies."

I meant, I build the story around what the RNG says before I write it.


Just for clarification, haha.

Well yes but it isn't as organic and limits your artistic freedom. Do as thou wilt. Kill when it is beautiful, let live when it is beautiful. If you add a random element into it, you are putting something above your own liberty, and can even restrict ideas that you have developed or motifs that you are aiming for, and also hinders what the story can be from a holistic stand point, considering each point was constructed without any idea to what end the next will be built upon, and what goes beyond that, etc. And to what end? No end that's worth what you sacrifice, in my opinion.

 

[N3ON]

I'm late but here's my input anyway,
I don't have a problem with how people die as long as it makes sense in the story and won't ruin the plot or something down the line.

And I think it'd be more fun if we all met each other from the beginning.
EDIT: Though I suppose it might help the story if some people knew each other from before, or had previous experiences. Could help with motivation and character development and all.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The story's gonna be fun to read!

But yes, deaths should be planned.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah same here. We should have a big group, all togheter mostly. Except for some. Make sure mostly everyone gets a decent role. If someone dies at the beginning, let his / her role leave some sprt of impression. And well, some could join later if they live till the end, or something. Who's gonna write this btw?

 

[Opossum]

Here was another thing I was thinking about.

As far as going into the meetings and such, perhaps, seeing as though it's being told from multiple viewpoints, flashbacks can do the trick at some point? Yay or nay?

Who's gonna write this btw?

Well, I actually took up the job, but I remember Croph wanted to do it as well, so I'd be open to a collab of some sort if she or anyone else would like.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

The story's gonna be fun to read!

But yes, deaths should be planned.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I guess I'm not as liked as I thought I was...


T.T

 

[Banjodorf]

I'm totally excited for that. As a lover of good fan works, this should be awesome!

Do I get to be a bear?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I guess I'm not as liked as I thought I was...


T.T

Chilax, it's just a joke. I'm just implying that Ganon should be the one killing in the story.