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[Morbi]

Jumping over her? That's amusing when you consider that Dixie was treated as a nonentity until Tropical Freeze's reveal, upon which she's suddenly the obvious most important DK character ever and a shoo-in because...because...

Precisely the point. It is the same thing that happened to Rosalina as well, no one really considered her feasible until she was revealed as a secret character in the most recent iteration of Mario. I am hoping that logic isn't applicable to her inclusion, because I would much rather have K. Rool.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Precisely the point. It is the same thing that happened to Rosalina as well, no one really considered her feasible until she was revealed as a secret character in the most recent iteration of Mario. I am hoping that logic isn't applicable to her inclusion, because I would much rather have K. Rool.

I'm pretty sure there were actually quite a few people who wanted Rosalina before 3D World.

 

[Reznor]

why do you guys think Dixie isn't unique she uses her hair that has tons of potential
don't let your justified love of King.K Rool blind you

 

[PLATINUM7]

But I considered her feasible before Tropical Freeze...

 

[Substitution]

I'm pretty sure there were actually quite a few people who wanted Rosalina before 3D World.

Oh how I know...
Admittedly, I was actually kinda against Rosalina. I just never saw any move-set potential in her.
But dat Sakurai, he always finds a way.

 

[BKupa666]

Precisely the point. It is the same thing that happened to Rosalina as well, no one really considered her feasible until she was revealed as a secret character in the most recent iteration of Mario. I am hoping that logic isn't applicable to her inclusion, because I would much rather have K. Rool.

Yeah, I think Dixie (and Cranky) have a lot riding on this February Direct as far as chances go. If one or both is in, we'll almost certainly see them in the Direct (personally betting on Dixie at this point). I'd quite enjoy being surprised with a nice Palutena confirmation, of course.

Hair is a very overrated source of uniqueness because it's yet another generic cone-shaped hitbox, like Yoshi's tail, and can grab...like every other character already grabs. But hey, to each his or her own. Some people still think that Wii Fit Trainer is unique for being a Wire Frame whose attacks just happen to look like yoga poses.

 

[Morbi]

I'm pretty sure there were actually quite a few people who wanted Rosalina before 3D World.

Yes, I was actually one of them, but most Rosalina supporters weren't delusional enough to assert that she was more feasible than Toad or Bowser Jr. Once she had her secret character appearance, most of us started to find her inclusion plausible.

why do you guys think Dixie isn't unique she uses her hair that has tons of potential
don't let your justified love of King.K Rool blind you

I have always viewed her as Transsexual Diddy Kong. The only overt difference is the hair, that being said, I wouldn't mind a Sindel-esque Dixie Kong.

 

[Louie G.]

why do you guys think Dixie isn't unique she uses her hair that has tons of potential

But is Dixie as unique as K. Rool?
And hair-based attacks don't make a character unique. She would still have similar specials to Diddy Kong and probably a few other moves as well.
So she would be a semi-clone, unlike K. Rool who has no chance of becoming a clone of anyone.

 

[Big-Cat]

Dixie is monkey Millia Rage.

 

[FlareHabanero]

why do you guys think Dixie isn't unique she uses her hair that has tons of potential
don't let your justified love of King.K Rool blind you

That's not it, it's more like people are being fickle.

Suddenly all the rules are changed when something new comes out, suddenly all the rules change when our expectations are defied, suddenly we must give up everything because something else comes up. You know what, people shouldn't be like this, all it does is make things raunchy. But people would rather be fickle then persistent, which only creates the image that people lack passion. I don't give up on what I think is right, and neither should you.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

But when's the supposed February Direct happening?

 

[PLATINUM7]

But is Dixie as unique as K. Rool?
And hair-based attacks don't make a character unique. She would still have similar specials to Diddy Kong and probably a few other moves as well.
So she would be a semi-clone, unlike K. Rool who has no chance of becoming a clone of anyone.

If Ganondorf can be a clone of C. Falcon, it wouldn't suprise me if K. Rool was just a Bowser without a fire breath.

 

[BluePikmin11]

why do you guys think Dixie isn't unique she uses her hair that has tons of potential
don't let your justified love of King.K Rool blind you

I prefer Bayonetta for a more advanced hairbased moveset.

 

[Hotfeet444]

why do you guys think Dixie isn't unique she uses her hair that has tons of potential
don't let your justified love of King.K Rool blind you

She's not Fillia from Skullgirls, fighting with hair isn't going to be enough to cover an entire moveset. Besides, in one way or another, she'd have similarities to Diddy. K.Rool, on the other hand, has no similarities with anyone. He's got so much to work with, Dixie...not so much.

If Ganondorf can be a clone of C. Falcon, it wouldn't suprise me if K. Rool was just a Bowser without a fire breath.

That doesn't make sense, especially since Ganondorf was made a clone specifically to add in more characters to Melee. As of now, Ganondorf could come back Bowserized and be completely different.

 

[Louie G.]

If Ganondorf can be a clone of C. Falcon, it wouldn't suprise me if K. Rool was just a Bowser without a fire breath.

How would that not be surprising to you?
Sakurai is going the uniqueness route, so adding too many semi-clones isn't a good idea anyway.
Not to mention that Falcon and Ganondorf have a similar stature, whereas Bowser and K. Rool do not.
Ganondorf makes some sense using dark magic punches. K. Rool makes no sense spinning around in his nonexistent shell.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Yes, I was actually one of them, but most Rosalina supporters weren't delusional enough to assert that she was more feasible than Toad or Bowser Jr. Once she had her secret character appearance, most of us started to find her inclusion plausible.

Trust me, some people did. Toad and Bowser Jr. support was big, as was Paper Mario, but there were a few heavy Rosalina wishes.

 

[deebeethedeity]

K. Rool or bust

Dixie?

 

[PLATINUM7]

How would that not be surprising to you?
Sakurai is going the uniqueness route, so adding too many semi-clones isn't a good idea anyway.
Not to mention that Falcon and Ganondorf have a similar stature, whereas Bowser and K. Rool do not.
Ganondorf makes some sense using dark magic punches. K. Rool makes no sense spinning around in his nonexistent shell.

Ganondorf just did not scream C. Falcon clone to me. Sure C. Falcon's moveset is original but going into Melee I thought Ganondorf would have used some of his magic powers or something to make him stand out but instead he became a C. Falcon clone, something that still bothers me. K. Rool and Bowser have a lot of differences but then again they are also big reptiles with sharp teeth and claws. A lot of the things Melee/brawl Bowser does I can picture K. Rool doing the samething.

 

[Louie G.]

K. Rool and Bowser have a lot of differences but then again they are also big reptiles with sharp teeth and claws. A lot of the things Melee/brawl Bowser does I can picture K. Rool doing the samething.

A lot of things = Koopa Klaw and Ground Pound
Am I correct?

 

[Knight Dude]

FIND THE COMPUTER ROOM!

Damn....Not here!

 

[BKupa666]

Diddy and Dixie is a far more appropriate clone comparison than Bowser and K. Rool. With the former, Dixie could feasibly copy everything Diddy does (borrowing weapons like the Mother kids borrow attacks), while K. Rool physically cannot breath fire or use Bowser's shell attacks.

That comparison reminds me of the people pre-Brawl who talked about how Dedede shouldn't be in because the Ice Climbers attack with hammers, and he'd be a clone for that reason. Because one similarity means complete similarity, of course.

 

[PLATINUM7]

A lot of things = Koopa Klaw and Ground Pound
Am I correct?

More than that, I can imagine a clone K. Rool performing really just about every move of Bowser's except for breathing fire and some spinning shell moves.
If you're someone who really supports a character (I really only support K. Rool as much as I do Dixie) you're more likely to see differences between characters to help support the character. If not then similarities become more apparent.

 

[BKupa666]

ITT: Bowser's only shell move is Whirling Fortress.

Then, there's always Giga Bowser to take into consideration.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, why exactly people so afraid of the whole semi-clone thing anyway? I mean apparently having every single attack be different is irrelevant because one attacks works like another and there for the characters are identical. Hence why Donkey Kong and Ness are clones of each other, because they share a highly similar up aerial, down aerial, and neutral aerial.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Jumping over her? That's amusing when you consider that Dixie was treated as a nonentity until Tropical Freeze's reveal, upon which she's suddenly the obvious most important DK character ever and a shoo-in because...because...

You see, people are like goldfish, if we're not reminded 20 times a day, we'll just forget.

LOL, no. I've always thought she is the most important DK character left, don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Vez]

Dixie and K. Rool both have a good shot at being added, let's just leave it at that. Could really go either way.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Dixie without K.Rool is crap.

Dixie coming after (alongside) K.Rool is a nice treat.

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[Knight Dude]

Diddy and Dixie is a far more appropriate clone comparison than Bowser and K. Rool. With the former, Dixie could feasibly copy everything Diddy does (borrowing weapons like the Mother kids borrow attacks), while K. Rool physically cannot breath fire or use Bowser's shell attacks.

That comparison reminds me of the people pre-Brawl who talked about how Dedede shouldn't be in because the Ice Climbers attack with hammers, and he'd be a clone for that reason. Because one similarity means complete similarity, of course.

Seriously? What would Dedede do if he was a clone of the Climbers? Suddenly spawn in a clone of himself? Shoot blast of ice? Sometimes people need to think things through.

As for Dixie, We'll have to wait and see. If she's in, I'm interested in what ways she can standout from Diddy.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Seriously? What would Dedede do? Suddenly spawn in a clone of himself?

 

[Arcadenik]

I guess we will find out whether Diddy Kong is alone or is paired with Dixie Kong this month... when Tropical Freeze comes out in Japan (the 13th) or in North America (the 21st).

I do think we might get a newcomer this month, seeing that Nintendo Directs occur every other month... and newcomers are usually revealed with trailers... and trailers are usually shown during Directs...

June 2013 - SSB4 is revealed at E3
July 2014 - nothing
August 2013 - Luigi confirmed (only because it was the Year of Luigi)
September 2013 - nothing
October 2013 - Sonic confirmed (only because it is freaking Sonic)
November 2013 - nothing
December 2013 - Rosalina confirmed (a newcomer is revealed in a trailer just like the other newcomers)
January 2014 - nothing
February 2014 - based on history, a Direct is probably happening this month

 

[Empyrean]

ITT: Bowser's only shell move is Whirling Fortress.

Then, there's always Giga Bowser to take into consideration.

Giga K. Rool for Sm4sh.

 

[Knight Dude]

That's....well, that's something all right. Kind of reminds me of what happened to Starscream in Transformers. Where he had a bunch of different clones.

 

[Substitution]

That's....well, that's something all right. Kind of reminds me of what happened to Starscream in Transformers. where he had a bunch of different clones.

Because one isn't enough...

 

[Knight Dude]

I guess we will find out whether Diddy Kong is alone or is paired with Dixie Kong this month... when Tropical Freeze comes out in Japan (the 13th) or in North America (the 21st).

I do think we might get a newcomer this month, seeing that Nintendo Directs occur every other month... and newcomers are usually revealed with trailers... and trailers are usually shown during Directs...

June 2013 - SSB4 is revealed at E3
July 2014 - nothing
August 2013 - Luigi confirmed (only because it was the Year of Luigi)
September 2013 - nothing
October 2013 - Sonic confirmed (only because it is freaking Sonic)
November 2013 - nothing
December 2013 - Rosalina confirmed (a newcomer is revealed in a trailer just like the other newcomers)
January 2014 - nothing
February 2014 - based on history, a Direct is probably happening this month

When was Olimar shown again? I thought that was July. Also Peach was confirmed in September if I'm not mistaken. Marth in November. Zelda was also in December. And January had both Dedede and Lucario.


EDIT: Was this for Directs? Sorry, I thought you were mentioning character reveals in general.

 

[Hotfeet444]

K.Rool talk still going on? Well, might as well dust this off then:

I'm one of the RPDT's better moveset designers, and I must say that when everything is taken into consideration for both K.Rool and Dixie, K.Rool could be made alot more unique than Dixie can be, all things considered.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

I can't say I see how Dixie would automatically be a clone. Yeah, she'd almost certainly be a faster and lighter character with low power like Diddy, but unless Diddy and Sonic are clones, I don't see how that's relevant. Diddy is based strongly on ground control; Dixie would almsot certainly be a mostly aerial character and could plausibly even be a multi-jumper and end up with more similarity to Jigglypuff than to Diddy. That's not inevitable either, but seriously, I can imagine dozens of possible Dixie movesets all of which would play completely differently. It takes a serious lack of imagination to cast her as simply a Diddy clone.

Likewise, if I'm deflating what people are saying, I'm going to stick out there that K.Rool has no chance. He's not like Bowser; in the long run, he's pretty unimportant to the overall DK series, and he's been a mostly dead character since DK64 with all of his significant appearancs being in Rare games that are not in favor within Nintendo. The character offers very little; he was always just comic relief, and while certainly he could be given an interesting moveset, any moveset he could be given could also be given to just about any other large character. I'm not trying to "hate", but I'm telling you from over a decade of playing these games and observing how they're made, I'm pretty sure K.Rool is exactly the kind of character who has basically no chance of inclusion. Of course that's an irrelevant question to Dixie; the whole "reps" system that I think many fans envision is simply not how characters are decided. If K.Rool were a plausible inclusion (and he's not), he would have no bearing whatsoever on Dixie's potential as a character.

As per Dixie's odds? I'd say they're decent, but it's hardly guaranteed. I won't be surprised by her inclusion one way or another.

 

[Pazzo.]

K.Rool talk still going on? Well, might as well dust this off then:

I'm one of the RPDT's better moveset designers, and I must say that when everything is taken into consideration for both K.Rool and Dixie, K.Rool could be made alot more unique than Dixie can be, all things considered.

I'd sure love to see him over any Bayonetta wanna be. (LOOKING AT YOU DIXIE!)

 

[FlareHabanero]

I don't automatically think Dixie will be a clone, because by default it would be impossible for her to emulate every attack Diddy has due to a lack of tail.

 

[Knight Dude]

I can't say I see how Dixie would automatically be a clone. Yeah, she'd almost certainly be a faster and lighter character with low power like Diddy, but unless Diddy and Sonic are clones, I don't see how that's relevant. Diddy is based strongly on ground control; Dixie would almsot certainly be a mostly aerial character and could plausibly even be a multi-jumper and end up with more similarity to Jigglypuff than to Diddy. That's not inevitable either, but seriously, I can imagine dozens of possible Dixie movesets all of which would play completely differently. It takes a serious lack of imagination to cast her as simply a Diddy clone.

Likewise, if I'm deflating what people are saying, I'm going to stick out there that K.Rool has no chance. He's not like Bowser; in the long run, he's pretty unimportant to the overall DK series, and he's been a mostly dead character since DK64 with all of his significant appearancs being in Rare games that are not in favor within Nintendo. The character offers very little; he was always just comic relief, and while certainly he could be given an interesting moveset, any moveset he could be given could also be given to just about any other large character. I'm not trying to "hate", but I'm telling you from over a decade of playing these games and observing how they're made, I'm pretty sure K.Rool is exactly the kind of character who has basically no chance of inclusion. Of course that's an irrelevant question to Dixie; the whole "reps" system that I think many fans envision is simply not how characters are decided. If K.Rool were a plausible inclusion (and he's not), he would have no bearing whatsoever on Dixie's potential as a character.

As per Dixie's odds? I'd say they're decent, but it's hardly guaranteed. I won't be surprised by her inclusion one way or another.

And so it begins..........

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't automatically think Dixie will be a clone, because by default it would be impossible for her to emulate every attack Diddy has due to a lack of tail.

The Dixie detractors would just say she would use her hair to emulate Diddy's tail-based moves.