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... uh, I like how miru (見る), to see or look in Japanese, sounds nearly identical to mira in Spanish which has the same meaning.
I like how Japanese in general is very easy to learn to speak and pronounce if you come from a Spanish background. The vowel sounds are identical.


I like it.


This. It really is a shame people view philosophy as a grim practice nowadays.
Well, Philosophy isn't necessarily Grim and Depressing. Look at Nietzche and his Ubermensch. That's inspiring if you ask me.

It's funny, because my Philo teacher was a hard core Christian, and she hated Nietzche because his philosophy was very anti-religious and she called him a crazy atheist. So she'd always twist his philosophy to suit her tastes, and I'd call her on her bs, asking her if THAT is what we were supposed to write during the AP exams.

To me, Philosophy is just plain entertaining. I love Descartes and his questions about the fabric of reality, and I LOVE how it ties into modern quantum mechanics and Buddhism.

Anyway, a more serious reply to Kuma's statement.

The purpose of life isn't Death, the purpose of life is to find and give it purpose yourself. Ponder about this for a second, this goes to everyone. Suppose, the hardcore Atheists are right. Suppose that after life, there is LITERALLY NOTHING. You simply cease to exist. No soul, no spirit, no feeling, no memory, NOTHING, not even blackness. Let that sink in and realize what a pants-****ting scary outcome that really is...

To simply cease to exist. Then, what was life all for? What was the point? When you think about it, why do we humans cling to afterlife so dearly? Even before Christianity, we've been telling each other that there is an afterlife. Because, there is nothing scarier to us, than to realize that there is nothing after life. I think that even most Atheists find this realization scary, and to some degree, like to cling to the idea of afterlife on some level. The people that don't, like ABSOLUTELY don't are some truly scary people imo. Because, it is coming to terms with the insignificance of our existence, and such a realization is not only scary, and liberating, but also depressing.

You see, we humans are social beings, because I feel we are constantly trying to disprove this. By having other people acknowledge us, we become embedded in their memories, and thus prove our existence on this planet. Think about it, according to genetics, our purpose is to leave our genetic code in order to leave our mark on this planet, we are programmed to do so. Now, of course, there people who don't have kids, but the majority of them, leave their memetic trace on this planet, their ideas are spread in a memetic way allow humanity to feed off and grow from them, thus becoming eternal. In fact, I argue that leaving a memetic trace is more effective than leaving a genetic trace, but that's a different topic.

Anyway, of course things aren't as simple as that. But if life were about death, then why live? Why not just kill yourself and end it. If you think about it, if life is about Death, then it all is truly pointless. That is the ultimate conclusion of that form of thought. However, it is not. Why? Because we as humans must come to terms with the insiginificance of our existence in the grand scheme of things, and fight to create a trace that we once existed. We must give significance to our otherwise insignificant lives. We must find meaning in life, and ponder on it, and then spread that meaning to others so that they too may learn from what you have lived. Because ultimately, no matter how insignificant your life may be, NO ONE ELSE, EVER, has ever lived what you have lived and are living right now. It's a paradox almost. It is insignificant, but unique, and it is up to you to give it meaning. Imo, that's the meaning of life, to find meaning in life.

Don't listen to the Japanese, they just like their word play.



Oh yeah, on topic, anyone know when Shorts is starting up his new poll?
 

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Philosophy, eh?

I loved that subject when I had it during 10th and 11th grades. It made me think and question about things I never had thought before and it was overall a big experience that changed some of my points of view and helped me form my own opinions on a wide array of subjects.
 

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Nietzche was the model of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. His version of Nihilism was dangerous. He believe that the rich had every right to step all over the poor and that the will of man was for the strong to destroy the weak. I am sure if you actually knew his philosophy you would hate him.

The part of Christianity he hated was the "love your neighbor" and "take care of the poor" aspects.

Then again if you like Nietzche, you should read the book Grendal which is a modern remake of the Beowulf saga with a very Nihilistic theme.
 

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Mein Kampf is scary because it sounds very similar to a lot of people today. al Quada for example has a similar tone with the whole Zionist-Crusader conspiracy to take over the Middle East. It is the same as Nazis who promoted a Jewish-Communist conspiracy to destroy Germany and argued that the Jews controlled USA, Soviet Union, and the West and that was why they wanted to war on Germany. Sad thing is a lot of people bought it then and a lot of people are buying that al Quada garbage today in the Middle East.

I am not Jewish but man the Jews get blamed for everything!
 

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Never knew the Al Qaeda has started publishing books. In any case, they are an insta-ban.
 

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Never knew the Al Qaeda has started publishing books. In any case, they are an insta-ban.
They have underground writings as any groups have and not all the al Qaeda groups call themself that. Also the name al Qaeda itself is very vague and we are starting out it was never an official organization but rather a Middle Eastern philosophy based on an interpretation of a religious teacher named Sayyid Qutb who wrote that the Arab/Islamic world had lost their way and that their governments were not modeled after the Koran. Sayyid never really talked about US or Israel but Osama Bid Laden and many of his followers gained influence from his speaches. The basic belief was that most Muslims were sell-outs and not true followers of the Koran and therefore they should be punished for their abandoning of the faith. They support a united Arab Caliphite that strictly applies Sharia Law. Bin Laden really started his hate for US after US put troops in Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War to defend Iraq. He considered it an insult to Islam that non-Muslims had a presence in Saudi Arabia. However, each al Qaeda group is different with different aims and goals. Checnya wants to build a state in Southern Russia/Balkans for Islam, al Qaeda in Iraq wants to defeat the ****te Muslims and take over Iraq, etc. Overall, it is a generally radical and violent interpretation of Islam that motivates al Qaeda just like Nazism had a radical and violent interpretation of Nietzche.

If you read everything about Nazism, it is Nietzche philosophy in a radical way put into practice. I am surprised this isn't pointed out more and Nietzches works aren't on the same level as Mein Kempf or al Qaeda writings.
 

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Nothing is to be taken to extremes. Any ideology taken to an extreme is dangerous.

In the past, we had the Inquisition during the Middle Ages, then came Nazism in the 30's and 40's and now we have Al Qaeda and all those Muslim extremists. It's history repeating itself and nothing more.

It's shameful that humanity hasn't learned from its past mistakes, but ignorance and blind ambition does that to people...

Edit: We're not having THIS conversation, are we? :ohwell:
 

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Nothing is to be taken to extremes. Any ideology taken to an extreme is dangerous.

In the past, we had the Inquisition during the Middle Ages, then came Nazism in the 30's and 40's and now we have Al Qaeda and all those Muslim extremists. It's history repeating itself and nothing more.

It's shameful that humanity hasn't learned from its past mistakes, but ignorance and blind ambition does that to people...

Edit: We're not having THIS conversation, are we? :ohwell:

What makes extremism so popular is that it is so powerful. Look what extremists do, they scare the world and they usually suceed for a time. Evil has power in this world whether we admit it or not.

Remember it took the British Empire, United States, and the Soviet Union combined to take down Nazi Germany. Not to mention the help of other smaller powers like Canada, Free French, Polish units that escaped Poland, etc.

Al Qaeda has caused change in the Middle East. They are basically winning in Afghanistan because they do the same strategy, when we try to fight them they go hide and pretend to be "innocent civilians." This strategy works against NATO and modern nations but against ancient Rome or Nazi Germany it would be a joke because they would just exterminate the civilians, even potentially innocent onces so evil/cruelty would likely win in Afghanistan.

Some of the greatest Empires in human history were some of the cruelest. The Mongols, the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, the Arabs, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, and even the British Empire engaged in genocide, targeting of civilians, etc. to win wars. Humans respond more to radicalism and fear.
 

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Even look at the United States, arguably the United States would not have been as powerful today or successful had they not invaded Mexico in 1840s and take California and Southwest as well as drive off the Native Americans throughout the 1800s.
 

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Could someone go over to the tvtropes super smash bros thread and tell them that Roy is popular in his home series, Roy was not added solely for promoting FE6, Lucario and Ike did not replace Mewtwo and Roy, and ganondorf wasn't originally planned for Melee. They keep spewing this misinformation.
TV Tropes is a moderated Wiki. You can make the changes yourself as long as you have proof to back your claim.
I like how Japanese in general is very easy to learn to speak and pronounce if you come from a Spanish background. The vowel sounds are identical.
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Well, Philosophy isn't necessarily Grim and Depressing. Look at Nietzche and his Ubermensch. That's inspiring if you ask me.

To me, Philosophy is just plain entertaining. I love Descartes and his questions about the fabric of reality, and I LOVE how it ties into modern quantum mechanics and Buddhism.
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Oh yeah, on topic, anyone know when Shorts is starting up his new poll?
Yup; Spanish being my first language definitely helped me with Japanese. It's funny because the few native Japanese I've gotten to interact with say that my limited, but functional, Japanese sounds better than my fluent English.

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I agree with you that philosophy is fascinating, but the questions and matters it seeks to answer and explore turn people off since most people aren't comfortable with their own mortality and meaninglessness. So in my opinion and experience, people just don't feel comfortable with philosophical discourse because they see it as a grim or pointless practice. Not to mention that it can be at often times difficult practice for many people; especially nowadays that people think less than ever before.
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also, lol @ his.
 

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I agree with you that philosophy is fascinating, but the questions and matters it seeks to answer and explore turn people off since most people aren't comfortable with their own mortality and meaninglessness. So in my opinion and experience, people just don't feel comfortable with philosophical discourse because they see it as a grim or pointless practice. Not to mention that it can be at often times difficult practice for many people; especially nowadays that people think less than ever before.
Well, the questions about your meaninglessness and such are just a branch of philosophy (metaphysics, I think). Ethics is a rather interesting branch of philosophy, since it questions the ideas of good, evil and morality.

It doesn't help that people are getting more ignorant, even though the access to information couldn't be any easier nowadays thanks to the Internet.

When I had Philosophy in school, I remember that the majority of people didn't care about that and their grades were far from good. I was among the highest grades in the class.

I don't know about the others, but for me, the subjects we dealt with and the ideologies of many philosophers were interesting. It was interesting to compare and contrast different points of view in a wide array of subjects and form your own point of view based on the others' and your own perspective.
 

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No, Shorts is a guy.

People are turned away by philosophy because a lot of our culture finds "thinking", "introspection", and such things to be not fun and to be lame. We are more interested in things that either don't require thinking, or things that just sound deep or cool. People also tend to think they know things quite well enough to bother questioning it, for various reasons. Which is why people are ignorant like Frost says despite it being really easy to not be: people don't look, don't want to, and either ignore what they do see or deny it.

Philosophy really should be taught at grade school. Out of all the mandatory classes I think it would actually be useful in some shape or form to the student. It'd potentially help cause a shift in our culture.
 

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If I had philosophy at school, I might've actually gone there.
 

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Philosophy really should be taught at grade school. Out of all the mandatory classes I think it would actually be useful in some shape or form to the student. It'd potentially help cause a shift in our culture.
Believe me, making it obligatory won't change much as you may think.

I don't know how things work where you live, so I'll speak for myself.
Here in Portugal, we have two years (10th and 11th grades) where Philosophy is an obligatory subject. There was a considerable amount of people that just didn't care about it and even dared to say that on class. Needless to say, those people's grades were far from good.

Among the people on my class, I was among the minority that openly contributed to classes' subjects, stating my point of view and questioning whatever was the subject being discussed. Overall, it was a good experience in my life.

I agree with the rest of your post, by the way.
 

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Sigh... Sheik's gender discussion again? That's old news.

We should have a Fire Emblem discussion! :troll:

Just five more weeks... (-.-);
 

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Then again if you like Nietzche, you should read the book Grendal which is a modern remake of the Beowulf saga with a very Nihilistic theme.
Grendel is one of my favorite books, actually. Yes, Nihilism is an evil philosophy (although not for the altruistic reasons that you stated), but you can't help but be fascinated by it. It's like they ALMOST have it. They're SO close to understanding everything, but they lack a sense of life so they get it completely backwards and fall into the abyss.

Anyways, back on topic. There are two kinds of people in the debate of Sheik's gender: Fangirls/boys who want to write SheikxLink (Shink?) slashfics, and rational individuals.
 

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Grendel is one of my favorite books, actually. Yes, Nihilism is an evil philosophy (although not for the altruistic reasons that you stated), but you can't help but be fascinated by it. It's like they ALMOST have it. They're SO close to understanding everything, but they lack a sense of life so they get it completely backwards and fall into the abyss.

Anyways, back on topic. There are two kinds of people in the debate of Sheik's gender: Fangirls/boys who want to write SheikxLink (Shink?) slashfics, and rational individuals.
Sounds like that roommate of mine I hardly talk to.
 

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Nihilism isn't evil. Ethically speaking (the philosophy relative to our lives), it just means that value is something we assert and that conduct is something we use for advantages. Nothing wrong with that, in fact I can't find any reason to think that life isn't as such.

As for Frostwraith, perhaps it should be revealed to students at an earlier stage in their development? By 11th or 12th grade, they probably have already fallen prey to our culture. Perhaps it shouldn't be too early, but definitely not that late, yes?

Oh wait, you guys are talking about something Nintendo related, time for me to slink back into my abyss.
 

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You guys realize that the discussion of philosophy began with numerology, which is ridiculous and stupid and has absolutely no logic or reason behind it, right?
It's like saying Napoleon never existed because his mother is named Joy in another language.

I just had sushi.
 

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As for Frostwraith, perhaps it should be revealed to students at an earlier stage in their development? By 11th or 12th grade, they probably have already fallen prey to our culture. Perhaps it shouldn't be too early, but definitely not that late, yes?
Actually, that's something my Philosophy teacher agreed with, and I do as well.

On the Sheik gender debate: Sheik is Zelda, therefore, Sheik is female. Enough said.
 
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