Super Mario Bros. Characters Discussion.

[Arcadenik]

But King Boo Ridley is pretty big, and he always flies around so how would they make that work.

 

[Oasis_S]

Yes.

You got it.

 

[BKupa666]

What specifically about floating is problematic for King Boo? Aside from eliminating the ability to trip, of course.

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai will hate how he can't trip, therefore, he won't be in the game.
Afterall, Mewtwo couldn't trip either, and look what happened to him.

 

[Oasis_S]

Sakurai will hate how he can't trip, therefore, he won't be in the game.
Afterall, Mewtwo couldn't trip either, and look what happened to him.

Oh my goodness you're absolutely right...

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

You know a character that could appear as a DLC/last minute clone ?
Metal Mario.
I mean, think about it, he's made some recent appearances in Mario Kart 7 and Mario Tennis Open and his first appearance as a separate character was in a Smash game!
I sure wouldn't mind if he did appear, and there's also this:

C'mon, who wouldn't want to bash people around as a plumber made of gold ?

 

[Ghirahilda]

You know a character that could appear as a DLC/last minute clone ?
Metal Mario.
I mean, think about it, he's made some recent appearances in Mario Kart 7 and Mario Tennis Open and his first appearance as a separate character was in a Smash game!
I sure wouldn't mind if he did appear, and there's also this:

C'mon, who wouldn't want to bash people around as a plumber made of gold ?

OMG I really want to see this at least as an alternaive color or DLC costume!!!

 

[dlbpc]

Sakurai will hate how he can't trip, therefore, he won't be in the game.
Afterall, Mewtwo couldn't trip either, and look what happened to him.

It all makes sense.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@Jhonnykiller45: You can already play as Metal Mario for a brief time by having Mario grab a Metal Box.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Sakurai will hate how he can't trip, therefore, he won't be in the game.
Afterall, Mewtwo couldn't trip either, and look what happened to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVGNJvWnG5E

Dammit, how do I embed videos?

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I know how to do embed on some other places, but I don't think it's enabled here. Could be wrong though.

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

@Jhonnykiller45: You can already play as Metal Mario for a brief time by having Mario grab a Metal Box.

Yes, but I meant to play as this guy right here, not this guy.

 

[Deleted member]

Same difference.

 

[Arcadenik]

Yes, but I meant to play as this guy right here, not this guy.

Ugh. And what happens when Metal Mario picks up the Metal Box? Nothing happens?

 

[lobotheduck21]

Ugh. And what happens when Metal Mario picks up the Metal Box? Nothing happens?

turns and even darker metalic color (silver to black) and gets even more heavy or gets a lighter color (silver to white) and gets lighter

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

Ugh. And what happens when Metal Mario picks up the Metal Box? Nothing happens?

He becomes Metal Metal Mario

 

[Arcadenik]

Metal Mario as an separate character? Ugh... if he gets in, it would open the floodgates to character suggestions like Invincible Mario (an seizure-inducing Mario), Gold Block Mario (Mario with a gold block for a head), etc.

 

[Ghirahilda]

I still vote for Rosalina to be in the next smash

Still I prefer Paper Mario, but he can represent his own series like Yoshi. A true mario universe chacacter them, I vote for Rosalina, my second option is Geno.


OMG I did a c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-ombo breaker on metal mario

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

Why not have Superball and Rabbit Mario while you're at it, Arcadenik ?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Yes, but I meant to play as this guy right here, not this guy.

If Special Brawl gets improved even further, then you could make Mario always be in metal form, while leaving all the other players alone.

 

[SwayneGang]

If Paper Mario becomes playable, then this track had better be a BGM option: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3rPdnPmq-M

If it's not, then I won't approve of P. Mario's inclusion.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Paper Mario is one of my most wanted characters for Smash 4. If they have to, i'd like to see them add him even if he is a part of his own series, along with another character in the Mario franchise. I just see Paper Mario as a very unique character compared to a lo of other options among the entire roster.

And still, one of my only complaints about Bowser Jr. is the art style. Seeing him with the current Bowser from Brawl, i would have constant nightmares. He has never been given the "intimidating" personality, and if they make him look cartoony and leave Bowser looking menacing, then i dont think it would make much sense. But im sure they could get around that

I still shudder at that thought, and now im waiting for someone to post a picture of Bowser Jr with that graphical look. im frightened

EDIT: Depending on the Paper Mario stage, i'd like to see a lot of different music. Preferably, the final boss music for all 3 console games (i LOVE those). There will likely be music from sticker star, and i do like the koopa bros music. I'll probably freak out (in a good way) if he, and this music, make it into the game

 

[Opossum]

I think I found what you mean. I collapsed it so I'm not responsible for any nightmares.

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[Deleted member]

I think I found what you mean. I collapsed it so I'm not responsible for any nightmares.

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I could see something like that happening if Bowser Jr. got into Smash 4 (not scary, but more realistic like his father).

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

HAHAHA. i seriously started laughing so hard when i saw that. i guess that doesnt look as bad as i thought it would, but i still cant picture him like that in the game, when his character in the Mario games is so different. He's a bit comedic because he's trying to be tough like Bowser, but can't because he's a little brat and fails.

My only argument against Toad (might as well include him) is that in the Mario games, while they are meant to act as the protectors of the princess, they appear to be useless in doing so. Because they fail every time (besides Mario Bros. 2), and Mario has to save her constantly, i just cant see him being a fighter against even Bowser himself if he cant fend off a koopa troopa or a goomba.

i guess the order of my wish list is 1) Paper Mario, 2) Bowser Jr, 3) Toad

That picture is hilarious and disturbing at the same time lol

 

[Ghirahilda]

I think I found what you mean. I collapsed it so I'm not responsible for any nightmares.

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LOL.

Still, I really love to see these characters design ideas. I never saw this one. It's really cool! I'm thinking on Shadow Mario's design if Jr. have the ability to transform in him right now.

 

[pokémoneinstein]

I made a Paper Mario moveset and more a while ago. I figure I might as well post it.

Notes: Many of these animations will only be understood if you’ve played the games. I’m not going to try to create an entire moveset for him, just the major animations, attacks, etc. I may expand it later on, but for now, that’s what it is. I may update my moveset after I’ve played Paper Mario 3D quite a bit, but not now.

[COLLAPSE="Specials"]B - Hammer: Nothing fancy. Just uses the hammer. It would function sort of like G&W’s Judgement attack, but with a 12% chance of sticking the opponent into the ground, like DK’s B>.

B> - Koops/Kooper: Jumps on a Koopa shell, sending it forward for a bit before it comes back. It acts like a regular other Koopa Shell in the series, otherwise. It would switch between Koops and Kooper. I don’t really like this one as much. I’m trying to think of a better one. I was thinking TTYD’s Tube Mode could work, but it’d be too much like Yoshi’s egg, Jigglypuff’s Rollout, Sonic’s Spin Dash, etc.

B^ - Plane Mode: Turns into a paper plane (TTYD’s Plane Mode) and flies around. It would act a lot like PK Thunder, except you ARE the object flying around. Obviously, after a short while, you’ll return to normal and become immobile until you land/die

Bv - Ground Pound: He does a ground pound, much like Yoshi and Bowser. Pretty self-explanatory. Of course, he’d do the Paper Mario ground pound animation.

Final Smash - Sweet Treat: Acts much like the Sweet Treat ability did. Instead of +1HP targets, there would be -5% and -10%. And instead of +1FP, the falling tiles will have pictures of the faces of all the fighters on the field (including yourself). Shooting a character’s tile essentially does the same to that fighter as if they were hit by one of the missiles from Snake’s FS. It would be neat if the character tiles had Paper Mario styled pictures of their faces. When using Sweet Treat, Paper Mario would stay on the field, but all players would freeze. Paper Mario would have his arms raised, and the screen would darken a bit, just like in the games. After being hit, the players would obviously go flying and eventually fall, but their controllers would still do nothing.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="Animations"]Swimming: Goes into TTYD’s Boat Mode. When he’s drowning, the boat could get darker and soggy.

Rolling Dodge: Same animation as if you press Z to dash in the Paper Mario games
Stationary Dodge: TTYD’s Paper Mode

Shield: Could either be a regular SSB shield, with a certain animation, looking sort of like this (http://tinyurl.com/3vop9g9), but with an arm raised to make it look a bit more defensive. It could also be Paper Mario using Barry, from SPM, or it could just be a regular shield with his action command block animation.

Taunt 1: Wags his finger and nods his head, like after he’s won a Battle in Paper Mario 1&2

Taunt 2: Does a Tornado Jump

Taunt 3: Twink flies out from behind him (much like Link’s fairy in Brawl) and winks at Paper Mario, who nods happily just before Twink goes back to Paper Mario’s pocket, or where the hell they go.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="Miscellaneous"]Sounds effects for various moves would have a 50% chance of their regular sound, while the remaining 50% would be split up between the various SFX Badges’ sounds.

Victory Theme: An orchestrated, probably slightly longer version of the victory theme from the original Paper Mario.

Snake Codec: Snake tried to call Otacon, only to find that his channel has been hacked by Paper Mario, who’s in the midst of a conversation with Goombario/Goombella/Tippi (Chosen at random). It wouldn’t be voiced, but rather PM-styled text on the screen to read. They use their Tattle ability (each character saying something different about Snake for their different personalities), while Paper Mario makes his classic “mhm” sounds and nods. All the while, Snake’s trying to interrupt, saying things like, “Hey! What are you guys doing? What’s going on here?” But the two don’t seem to notice him.

Icon: http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4411/mario0.png. The real one would obviously look much better, this is pretty rough.[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Music for the Glitz Pit stage"]1) TTYD Main Theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BiJafjeZ7E
2) Toad Town: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebWmhBaFdPY
3) Flipside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xFPpemupBY
4) Koopa Bros. Theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNZq_0kvtxk
5) Rawk Hawk Theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvoaVFLwOgs
6) Francis' Theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC029718CcQ
7) Lineland Road: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Xs2VkuiIg

8) Rogueport Medley:
- Rogueport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npBr340yjNU
- Rogueport Sewers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaJ1WdrBvRwa

9) Glitzville Medley. In no particular order:
- Glitzville: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUHl_ctUSjI
- Chubba's Theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N69kQt2RPzQ
- Glitz Pit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjFAtQ9JpE
- Mystery of the Glitz Pit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H95vyr-0-Fw

10) Battle Medley. In no particular order:
- Regular (PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh5Lh2gTwpg
- Jr. Troopa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWi67T9mNXM
- Miniboss (PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESlnJtSfP0
- Regular (TTYD): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwA1lMIAmsY
- Miniboss (TTYD): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmekqwH6cc0
- Magnus Von Grapple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItOY9_p5GY

11) Character Theme Medley. In no particular order:
- Professor Frankly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxIVDen7A6I
- Ms. Mowz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iIfHAIj2RQ
- Punies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRCljq4xCjE
- Shadow Sirens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVXGQYiBoio
- TEC / Peach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYLFe9bX6So
- Bowser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ApeT7K-Eg
- Mr. L: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ryLkTFuRrU
- Count Bleck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3r7AC2Pf3c[/COLLAPSE]

What do you think?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

i like a lot of that. it brings the series into the game as it should be represented. i have a feeling that the stage for Paper Mario would be something taken from Sticker Star, but i could be wrong. i think a clever stage to include would be THE stage from the series from the games. Having a crowd that throws things at you, lights that fall from the top of the stage, etc...it could really be a unique stage.

as far as the music, i like a lot of the selections you posted. i would like to see just one of the final boss themes in there though

 

[slambros]

It is a very tough call between Rosalina, and Bowser Jr., for me at least.

 

[jigglover]

Well, I agree with the giant floaty thing getting in ((as per my signature) don't worry, I've changed my mind about Bucha) and want the thing more than bowser junior now.

On another note, King boo could stand on the back of karts in MK:DD without getting hurled off by it's momentum, some of the time not holding on, so I don't think floating would be a problem for him.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I posted this in the Daisy thread, but i figured it could fit here too.

As far as Daisy goes, im not all that confident that she will get in either. When i look at the list of Mario Characters that people want to see, i see Bowser Jr., Toad, Paper Mario, Waluigi, and Daisy. Concerning these characters:

1. Toad is the servant and generic character of the Mario series. When Bowser attacks, Toad cannot even defend the Princess from a goomba or koopa troopa, let alone taking on Bowser one on one in Smash Bros

2: Waluigi and Daisy to me are in the same boat. They appear in spin off games at the most (as of late. I know Daisy was in the game before as the damsel in distress). Not to say they are unimportant, but when comparing them to characters like Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario, i do not see them as likely because of their importance to Nintendo's history. Not to mention, Waluigi was an assist trophy in Brawl. This may not mean much, but his attacks were based off of a tennis racket, which represents the spin off series. I'm not sure that those need much more than that

3. Bowser Jr. has been in the last 3 Super Mario games as the secondary Villain, along with several appearances in spin off games. He definitely has a much better shot than most other choices, if we even get a Mario Character at all

4. Paper Mario is by far my favorite choice for a mario addition. The series had been around for a little over 10 years now, and is quite popular. The 4th installment is about to be released for the 3ds, and i personally see Paper Mario as one of the most unique options for this roster. Sure, Paper Mario is technically a spin off game, but there is a new one released only every few years, whereas other characters are all over the place in a few games a year

Not to say Daisy wont get in, but i certainly think that there are more reasons against her inclusion than for her inclusion

As i stated in here, im not looking to upset anyone by saying she has no chance. im up to discuss the Mario characters in general if anybody wants to discuss my views on any of these characters

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

1. Toad is the servant and generic character of the Mario series. When Bowser attacks, Toad cannot even defend the Princess from a goomba or koopa troopa, let alone taking on Bowser one on one in Smash Bros

The Toad argument is kind of strange.. the thing is; nothing is really "canon" or makes sense in Smash Bros. Like, Peach can easily defend herself from Bowser in Smash Brothers, and can send him flying (if the person who plays her is good haha) But this isn't the case in the games, of course, because Bowser continuously kidnaps her. (Even Bowser Jr. can throw her on his back and take her away, with little effort).

We already have a "Generic Character": Yoshi, who -yes- did have his own game series. But there is a singled out, important, Toad in multiple Mario games. (Like Wario Woods, for example).

I always see it as:
THE Toad = Red dots, blue shirt.
"Generic Toads"= The different colored ones (Like Green, Yellow, Blue).

Which works, because of the pallete swapping in Smash Bros. Heck, "Multiple Toads" makes much more sense in Smash Brothers than say four "Bowsers" fighting haha

EDIT:

Generic Toad "Species":
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THE Toad:
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[Deleted member]

While the argument of generics is flawed due to Yoshi, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, etc., there is to point out that in multiple titles, Toad species go with the red dots blue vest appearance, and THE Toad has been red dots red vest in a few games as well.

Just pointing that out. Not using it against him.

EDIT: Man, it's much easier in Japan, where THE Toad is Kinopio, and Toads are Kinos.

 

[jigglover]

Super mario RPG says hi. There was like 100 identical THE toads in it.

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

While the argument of generics is flawed due to Yoshi, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, etc., there is to point out that in multiple titles, Toad species go with the red dots blue vest appearance, and THE Toad has been red dots red vest in a few games as well.

Just pointing that out. Not using it against him.

EDIT: Man, it's much easier in Japan, where THE Toad is Kinopio, and Toads are Kinos.

I haven't been up to date on Mario games so I'm not completely sure. hahah

But that is pretty interesting that there's a singled-out Toad in Japan by name. It kind of would make it easier for us here for distinguishing purposes

Super mario RPG says hi. There was like 100 identical THE toads in it.

I'm talking about in recent games... Did they even have different colored toads in RPG? I wouldn't know.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't quote me on this, but I think different colored Toads first appeared in Sunshine.
Fun fact, though; Kinopio first appeared in SMB2, though was mentioned to be one of the many Toads in SMB1. Which one is a mystery.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

i see your point. However, Toad is still not that important to the Mario series as of late. He was in Mario Galaxy, but he isnt a major role. Other than that, he plays the same role as Daisy and Waluigi as side characters mostly in spin-offs.

Secondly, his moveset possibilities worry me. Before i go further, i'd like to mention that the "mushroom" on his head is just a hat. So he cant use spores as an attack. Sure he could use items from Mario games, but that would be silly. Especially when fire flowers, mushrooms, and the vegetable (Mario Bros. 2) are already in use.

When comparing him to characters like Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario, i dont really see why he would get picked over these two. They both have arguably better moveset potential, and to me have bigger roles in the series in general. Even if Paper Mario is his own series, and they add another Mario character, i would still see Bowser Jr. over Toad because of relevancy and because of a smaller group of additional characters being added. if anyone is added, they should be very important to Nintendo's history. i see the other two in over Toad because of all of this

 

[Onyx Oblivian]

Don't quote me on this, but I think different colored Toads first appeared in Sunshine.
Fun fact, though; Kinopio first appeared in SMB2, though was mentioned to be one of the many Toads in SMB1. Which one is a mystery.

World 7-4 aka the one who almost got to the end, but not quite. hahah

I think Sunshine established a LOT for the Mario Franchise.

Like Toadsworth, and the Piantas, and I think you may be right about the Mulitple-Colored toads.

If Super Mario RPG had them, then no. But Sunshine would still be the first for Nintendo, themselves, to recognize and establish Mulitple-Colored "Toads" in the Mario Universe. haha

Unless we're forgetting the Mario Partys... Crud. I don't remember anymore haha

When comparing him to characters like Bowser Jr. or Paper Mario, i dont really see why he would get picked over these two. They both have arguably better moveset potential, and to me have bigger roles in the series in general. Even if Paper Mario is his own series, and they add another Mario character, i would still see Bowser Jr. over Toad because of relevancy and because of a smaller group of additional characters being added. if anyone is added, they should be very important to Nintendo's history. i see the other two in over Toad because of all of this

No, I get that. haha

I don't try to belittle the chances/moveset potential of Paper Mario or Bowser Jr. I'd be stoked either way, if any of the three made it in!

But I like to defend Toad, because I think he is a pretty decent character haha I mean he is part of the "Original 5" in which we have four of currently.

As far as moveset potential, I never really sat down and researched/made a moveset for him so I can't really vouch for him on that. But I do think there's some potential.

But Like I said, Bower Jr. and Paper Mario are both worthy additions. I just happen to think Toad is worthy too haha

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

Everyone should have at least one chance in Smash, whether they're important or not.

 

[Deleted member]

Toad himself may not have been real important as of late, but the Toad species has with Blue Toad and Yellow Toad. (...screw it. THE Toad is now going to be referred to as Kinopio, Blue Toad will now be called Bucken-Berry, and Yellow Toad will now be called Ala-Gold for the sake of clearing what I mean)
Pretty much, the Toad species adds to Kinopio's resume as did the generic Yoshis did for Yoshi. You think Yoshi got in for being a major character? Hell no, it was the Yoshi species as a whole that pulled the weight.

As for not being able to use spores.....this is countered in Smash Bros., Mario Sports Mix, and even back into the original Mario Tennis.

As for history, Toad is more important historically than Jr. or Paper Mario, and is more advertised on Nintendo merchandise than either of them, making him far more well-known and popular. Hell, Jr. hasn't been in the latest two major Mario titles, 3D Land and NSMB2, while some form of the Toad race has.