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Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

Circus

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You see Circus is over here ****ing about how scummy Radfic is. Now me personally I think Radfic is town and I have some pretty strong evidence to support that belief. So why on earth would I NOT put forth that evidence? It's called discussion. It's how we progress. Someone says something wrong, someone else says something right, they discuss about it, exchange views, progress reads, etc. If the person who is right can show the other wrong then they will move in a positive direction. Where as if they say nothing (like you like to do a lot of) then the wrong person just goes about spatting incorrect accusations and is led totally down the wrong path and more often than not he brings others down with him. You can see how this can cause a problem for town? Discussion, debate, accccusations, evidence, OBJECTIONS! These are all components that are usually required to lead town to victory.
The thing is, I'm not pushing for RadFic right now. I find his play scummy as hell, but even before you posted the point about X1, I wasn't even trying to wagon him. I want Ran toDay. I appreciate you taking the time to lay out the quotes for me, I guess, but I found your point compelling enough that I was going to go back and read through it myself. You wasted a lot of your own time doing that.

And you didn't answer my question. Why aren't we lynching Ran? Or even Nabe, at this point, really.
 

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Hep please respond to my 2051 n_n! And please don't make Ranmaru-level posts. You're better than that.
Thanks, I think?

my original plan on day 3 was going to be to claim and then suggest that, the following night, Circus use his lasso on either Kevin or Nabe while i identified the other (probably me on Kevin and Circus on Nabe would have worked best). that way, we wouldn't be caught in a "who's the real Batman?" mess that could be false anyway. that would have freed us up to lynch someone else. but i didn't want to claim before i understood your claim and Kevin's claim fully. but Kevin basically never got around to posting the details of his role, nor his reads or anything else, and then Ranmaru finished him off early. so I decided to keep my identity hidden a little longer, and use my ability on someone else. i was kind of hoping Circus might ignore your direction to use his lasso on you and lasso Nabe instead, but I'm not surprised that he didn't. and having you basically clear is pretty good for me, since i've been iffy about you all game.

going to skip over your cute little rant, if you don't mind. i don't have anything to add to what Circus said.

question though. if you don't want me to make "Ranmaru-level" posts (whatever that means), why is it okay for Ranmaru to?

BeatStick, i'd still like you to respond to me even though Zen jumped in to try and answer one of your questions.
 

Beat!

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BeatStick, it's possible that you already answered this, but are you capable of jailing yourself?
No, I,can't jail myself. Why are you asking? Were you going to suggest that I should jail myself?

also, where are you going with your questions to Ranmaru? do you think he's mafia? seems like you're posting filler.
I thought I had a memory of him expressing a scum read on me at some point during D2, which is why I asked. Upon rereading I noticed that he never did that, though.

One thing I DID see during my reread, though, was how little you and X1 talked to/about each other during D1. You did talk about him a few times, but it was mostly either defending or non-committing.

:phone:
 

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No, I,can't jail myself. Why are you asking? Were you going to suggest that I should jail myself?
no. but if you had said that you could, then that just would have been even better reason to either lynch you or Ranmaru today, since having two invincible town players seems unlikely.

I thought I had a memory of him expressing a scum read on me at some point during D2, which is why I asked. Upon rereading I noticed that he never did that, though.

One thing I DID see during my reread, though, was how little you and X1 talked to/about each other during D1. You did talk about him a few times, but it was mostly either defending or non-committing.

:phone:
poor observation. i didn't make much of a splash with anyone on D1 (in fact, i still kind of feel like i'm getting my feet wet), and X1 basically just cried at the same handful of people all day. seems like you're trying to cobble together reasons to lynch me because i seem like an easy target. this is really just another example of you being content to move with the herd instead of doing any actual work.

vote: BeatStick

still think this is the best way to go today.
 

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The thing is, I'm not pushing for RadFic right now. I find his play scummy as hell, but even before you posted the point about X1, I wasn't even trying to wagon him. I want Ran toDay. I appreciate you taking the time to lay out the quotes for me, I guess, but I found your point compelling enough that I was going to go back and read through it myself. You wasted a lot of your own time doing that.

And you didn't answer my question. Why aren't we lynching Ran? Or even Nabe, at this point, really.
It took like 5 minutes out of my time. I have a bunch of quotes from day 1 saved in a PM. And we both know you weren't going to do that n_n!

@your question: You, Hep, and Ran are all good plays.
Thanks, I think?

my original plan on day 3 was going to be to claim and then suggest that, the following night, Circus use his lasso on either Kevin or Nabe while i identified the other (probably me on Kevin and Circus on Nabe would have worked best). that way, we wouldn't be caught in a "who's the real Batman?" mess that could be false anyway. that would have freed us up to lynch someone else. but i didn't want to claim before i understood your claim and Kevin's claim fully. but Kevin basically never got around to posting the details of his role, nor his reads or anything else, and then Ranmaru finished him off early. so I decided to keep my identity hidden a little longer, and use my ability on someone else. i was kind of hoping Circus might ignore your direction to use his lasso on you and lasso Nabe instead, but I'm not surprised that he didn't. and having you basically clear is pretty good for me, since i've been iffy about you all game.

going to skip over your cute little rant, if you don't mind. i don't have anything to add to what Circus said.

question though. if you don't want me to make "Ranmaru-level" posts (whatever that means), why is it okay for Ranmaru to?

BeatStick, i'd still like you to respond to me even though Zen jumped in to try and answer one of your questions.
There was no rant, I was simply answering your question. I'm sure you didn't really skip over it though.

It's not ok for Ranmaru to make Ranmaru posts. But I can't help him, I've tried. If he isn't scum this game, I probably wont be joining anymore games with him to be honost. Do you have a read on Ran?
 

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i didn't skip it while reading, i just meant that i wasn't going to reply to it.

Ranmaru's next in line after BeatStick. probably the only other person i would really want to lynch today.
 

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i didn't skip it while reading, i just meant that i wasn't going to reply to it.
Ahh I see.




Hey this stuff is from d1.
I know this wasn't directed at me, but I really don't think Zen and Beat need any more pressure right now. Zen's already got three votes on him and I don't think they would even be necessary to get him to talk. And Beat doesn't seem to be biting his tongue either. Would rather look into Rajam, Dark Horse, Kuz, etc.
It's not that I don't think town reads are important. I just think trying to confirm townies on D1 is much less important than looking for potential scum.

Don't vig Zen.
These two things right here are so uncalled for defenses of me and Beat. Circus comes out of no where with trying to say how we don't need more pressure. He talks about how people should be scumhunting while posting anti-pressure posts.


I think Beat is town in a completely non-meta way. Gheb's null. I disagree with his read on Zen, but I don't think that him having that read is itself scummy.

Also, for the record, I think when Zen said "Clown" he was talking about me. It's an unfortunate nickname that I believe he took from Swiss.
So this is after me and Circus had a back and forth about furhering one's town reads and my read on Beat. He criticizes my thinking of beat being town because of meta. But when Nabe asks what Circus' reasons are for thinking town he answers this:
No, but a cursory glance through the archives shows that OS seems be allergic to VT's as a mod. In a game this size, with little to no VT's, the odds of there being no non-mafia killing roles are pretty low.

Yes, you're correct. He's simply acting exactly how I would expect new town to act. I didn't specifically want to "defeat Zen's meta on Beat," I just wanted to tell Zen that I thought clogging the thread by actively digging into a player like Beat so deeply when he flat-out doesn't seem like he needs is a waste of time. I wasn't trying to make some big case about anything.
His own "reasoning" is totall meta. He is basing his Beat town read on how he expects a new player to act. META.



What where the three scum powerroles in villains?

how many indies were there in FFVI and what powers did they have?
Dude, I don't even know. I used the word "glance" on purpose. I think there were, like, two indies in FF6, but I don't even remember what they did. I remember Kefka being in both games though.
This right here is one thing that stuck out to me as town points for Circus. X1 interogates Circus here and a wagon could have come from this if Circus slipped up. I don't see X1interogating his buddy like this. And Circus' answer response seemed pretty genuine. Then again this is probably more null since X1 could have simply known that Circus had actually gone through OS' games from conversation in the quicktopic.



Red Ryu, do you still find Moriarty suspicious? if so, why? in particular, i want to know if it's because of "bullying" or not.
this is like talking to Lassie. interpretation anyone?
Fake contribution.

The more I see Ryu post, the more I want to see Ryu break his restriction. Less out of confusion and more out of a desire to see if OS would actually punish him.
Can you clarify what you meant by this?

i don't know. it seems like people weren't really having a problem with him until recently. maybe they thought he was fine before because he was posting and no one seemed to care. in general i don't know how reliable the "he's acting so badly he must be good" argument is.
recently, X1 joined my suspect list. i dismissed him at first because i didn't like Zen and his post about X1 wasn't very persuasive to me, but he's been laying too low recently, and reading over the early parts of the game doesn't cast a particularly positive light on him. he also voted for Gheb at the beginning of the game, and that might be an early attempt to disassociate himself with him if my feelings are right about Gheb. i think i would still want to lynch Gheb before X1, but i think i would be okay with X1 if it came down to him today.
I adressed this earlier. Hep seemed to suddenly have some some suspicion on X1. It's so contradictory though. She thought me and Gheb were scum. Then she tries fitting X1 in there even though I had been targeting X1 the whole day and X1 had been targeting Gheb the whole day. She says that she thinks his attack on Gheb could be an early attempt to disassociate himself with Gheb and adds that she wants to lynch Gheb first. This tactic is often used by scum. You base your scum read on one of your buddies on the bases of another person being scum. Then once that person flips town, you have no more reason to be pushing for your buddy because the base of your read is no more. The italicized really makes me feel that is what she was doing here. The introduction of X1 in her scum reads here was just off. She felt that my case was reaching and she has no other reasons for thinking that he could be scum except for that his attack on Gheb could be to distance himself..

@Moriarty: If we're gonna leave someone for a vig kill, I would rather it be Kuz unless he's in the process of getting replaced, like, right now.
This is after Mori propopeses that we lynch Rajam and VIG X1.

Definitely looks like Circus trying to direct the Vig away from his bud here.

Also if Circus flips scum, I'd feel better about Ran.

:/
@Hep: It's kind of weird on a surface level, but I sympathize with the idea of not liking another player's style and feeling like the game would just be easier without it. More than anything though, I think the fact that he was comfortable saying it makes it null. That's kind of WIFOM-y, but it feels right.
This is the first time Circus interacts with Hep in 600 posts. He had only mentioned her once before this as someone he hasn't been in his attention.
 

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Ryu what do you think about there possibly being a scum recruiter? And why do or don't you think there could be one. Answer in the quicktopic please.

And why did you unvote?
 

Overswarm

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Votecount:
HepAlien - Beatstick, Ranmaru, Zen,
Ranmaru - Circus,
Beatstick - HepAlien


Not voting: Radical Fiction, Nabe, Red Ryu,
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Monday, May 9th, at 3:00 p.m. EST
 

Radical Fiction

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Why? So he can either,

A.) Waste an investigation.
or B.) Fake a guilty in MyLo?

How about we lynch him now and I investigate Hep if he's town? Beat can either roleblock a scummy or protect either you or Red Ruy. I don't mind eating a night kill at this point.
 

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We lynch Hep. If Hep flips scum, then Beat jails Circus. If Hep flips town, then Circus investigates Beat and Beat jails Ryu.
 

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We lynch Hep. If Hep flips scum, then Beat jails Circus. If Hep flips town, then Circus investigates Beat and Beat jails Ryu.
And I'd rather lynch DH than glg, since glg just started to post again. Kuz seem to be flat-out ignoring this game, and would work better as vig fodder, considering that we can't draw connections from his lynch. Him and Rajam are most likely not scumbuddies, though.
Makes me feel Beat and Ran aren't scumbuds.

Scum flip > probable bud
In order:

Hep > Circus
Hep =/= Beat
Hep =/= Ran

Circus > Hep
Circus > Beat
Circus =/= Ran

Ran =/= Circus
Ran =/= Beat
Ran =/= Hep
...?

Beat > Circus
Beat =/= Ran
Beat =/= Hep
Revised
 

Beat!

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no. but if you had said that you could, then that just would have been even better reason to either lynch you or Ranmaru today, since having two invincible town players seems unlikely.
Fair enough.

poor observation. i didn't make much of a splash with anyone on D1 (in fact, i still kind of feel like i'm getting my feet wet), and X1 basically just cried at the same handful of people all day. seems like you're trying to cobble together reasons to lynch me because i seem like an easy target. this is really just another example of you being content to move with the herd instead of doing any actual work.

vote: BeatStick

still think this is the best way to go today.
*gasp*

The person I think is scum thinks that my scum read is a result of poor observation? Now that was unexpected.

Early on you were defending him the few times you mentioned him. Then, as the day went by and he remained a possible lynch target, you made sure to distance yourself by expressing some weak suspicion of him.
 

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boo. i don't like this plan. also, i am a ghost.

I adressed this earlier. Hep seemed to suddenly have some some suspicion on X1. It's so contradictory though. She thought me and Gheb were scum. Then she tries fitting X1 in there even though I had been targeting X1 the whole day and X1 had been targeting Gheb the whole day. She says that she thinks his attack on Gheb could be an early attempt to disassociate himself with Gheb and adds that she wants to lynch Gheb first. This tactic is often used by scum. You base your scum read on one of your buddies on the bases of another person being scum. Then once that person flips town, you have no more reason to be pushing for your buddy because the base of your read is no more. The italicized really makes me feel that is what she was doing here. The introduction of X1 in her scum reads here was just off. She felt that my case was reaching and she has no other reasons for thinking that he could be scum except for that his attack on Gheb could be to distance himself..
yes, i addressed this earlier as well. i initially brought up this theory because, in real life mafia, i've seen mafia argue with each other early on because they think it makes the perceived distance between them seem more believable. the reason it specifically stuck out to me here is because you each attacked each other, in a circle. you went after X1 (pretty hard, based on the amount of evidence you had, imo), X1 went after Gheb, and Gheb was after you for a while in the beginning of the day. but of the three of you, Gheb stood out the most to me, so i wanted to lynch him first. we didn't lynch him, so that's why i identified him. it made sense to me.

The person I think is scum thinks that my scum read is a result of poor observation? Now that was unexpected.

Early on you were defending him the few times you mentioned him. Then, as the day went by and he remained a possible lynch target, you made sure to distance yourself by expressing some weak suspicion of him.
i never defended him. i said that Zen's points against him weren't very strong. and i wasn't the only one. in fact, that's part of the exact reason that the Zen, X1, and Gheb thing stood out to me so much. Zen's case against X1 seemed like it was manufactured out of nothing, but he was really adamant about it. that's what made it seem like distancing to me. in fact, if it weren't for Circus' read on Zen, i would probably still be suspicious of him right now.

and you're only saying you think i'm suspicious because you know you have plenty of other people who agree with you. why bother pursuing anyone else when you can just prop your feet up and wait for everyone to get rid of me? all you're doing is throwing a log onto the biggest fire you see. that's obvious.
 

Radical Fiction

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I have a plan that is at least four times better than ending the day now.

We utilize the bomb that Beat placed on Circus and make it so that when she hammers Circus, Hep dies too. Assuming we miss on both counts, we have a 6 v 2 and assuming that scum successfully night kill past a roleblock on both myself and Nabe or Nabe and Ran (infinitely preferable as I'll investigate then), then it's 5 v 2. If we don't utilize the bomb then it's 6 v 2 in MyLo and we can No Lynch and not accomplish anything.

We get two lynches now or we get one now. Either way, if we **** up it's as good as LyLo.

Someone check my math and thank Swiss for reminding me of the bomb.

Vote Circus
 

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What kind of math is that?

Right now it is 6v2
Miskill on both is 4v2
Night kill brings it to 3v2

If there is three scum umong you, Nabe, Ryu, Ran, and Beat, the game will be over through this plan.

Lynching Hep brings the game to 5v2
Night kill brings it to 4v2

If there are three scum, the game continues.
 

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Actually the game doesn't continue if 3 of you are scum in any situation...

but yeah it's 6v2 right now not 8v2.
 

Overswarm

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Votecount:
HepAlien - Beatstick, Ranmaru,
Ranmaru - Circus,
Beatstick - HepAlien
Circus - Radical Fiction, Zen,

Not voting: Nabe, Red Ryu,
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Monday, May 9th, at 3:00 p.m. EST
 

Circus

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Well, obviously I object. But if you guys are set on this, then I would at least rather have Ran hammer me than Beat so we don't potentially lose a PR.
 

Radical Fiction

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What kind of math is that?

Right now it is 6v2
Miskill on both is 4v2
Night kill brings it to 3v2

If there is three scum umong you, Nabe, Ryu, Ran, and Beat, the game will be over through this plan.

Lynching Hep brings the game to 5v2
Night kill brings it to 4v2

If there are three scum, the game continues.
The kind where I added two to everything.
 

Radical Fiction

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RF, is your ability targeting Circus? Did you get it in yet?
Vote: Circus

Fine with Beat hammering. RF can lasso me, Hep can target idk Zen?
Mine is one shot. I used it a long *** time ago.

Would rather Ran hammer and have Beat target Zen. I want him around.

Why in the world would you target Zen instead of me since my nameclaim is what seems to make people not believe me?
 
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