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Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

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Radical Fiction - MOD,

Zen - Gheb, Moriarty, Radical Fiction,

Gheb - X1-12, Vanderzant

X1-12 - Zen,

Rajam - Circus,

Moriarty - Red Ryu,

Circus - Nabe,

Not Voting: th3Kuzinator, GLG, HepAlien, Rajam, Dark Horse, Beatstick

15 Players remain.
It takes 8/15 to lynch.
Deadline is April 1st at 3 p.m. EST
 

Beat!

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This post is really grimey, it seriously sounds like you were waiting for x1 to post just so you could call him out again(the first part at least).

Beat, do you think two people who are scum would never buddy each other?
Of course I wanted X1 to post again. I wanted to know if I should follow up my initial scum read or not.

Two scum buddying each other sounds like a high risk high reward strategy, so I could definitely see it being a viable option.

I have a problem with this post. The first part is games are made publically, if beatstick were scum anyone could have told him that OS had almost only power roles in his game. Secondly, The part about how if beat were scum he wouldn't ask town is bull****. Scum want to do anything to get town on their side, wouldn't asking town their opinion on something gain him town points.

I really think that your question "do you have an ability bs" was unhelpful and everything that you've supposedly gained from it is null at best. If you want to provide reasoning behind it, please stop making it entirely based off of assumptions.
I agree with this.

Graghghsalgjkladlsadkjgklasgklafj;afkj;kjaflkjd. I really feel like right now you're practically begging zen to read you as town.
???

I didn't ask for Zen to "clear" me.

Tbh that sentence sounds pretty reaching.


I'm really starting to think that you start to call people town if they say you're town. If you are, please stop.
Not calling anyone town yet. It's mid-D1. Atm I only divide people into "scummy" and "doesn't have to die toDay". Even if I do get a solid town read on someone, I won't share it this early unless given a good reason to.

That being said, you do have a point. I assure you I will not be blinded by people calling me town.

this is like talking to Lassie. interpretation anyone?
I'll give it a shot:

Bullying seems to be the biggest reason for voting Moriarty. I think that he's also trying to say that he's not allowed to post pictures with words.
 

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Why should we try to figure out "coded" messages of a player evidently not good at scum hunting?

:059:
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Who "he"? Circus?
Yeah. Thought you meant Circus specifically, since I did ask him like 20 questions. I have nothing at the moment regardless, I'm just pursuing idle threads.

@Nabe: I don't really know why I feel you're town. I just feel you are. I think or something.
But you said you felt I was town on meta. You didn't say gut, which is what you seem to be describing. Meta implies that from my previous play, you see a reason in my current play to think I'm town.
 

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Why should we try to figure out "coded" messages of a player evidently not good at scum hunting?

:059:
Why shouldn't we? What does it matter if he's bad at scum hunting? If he's town, his opinion is still important, and if he's scum it's even more important to figure out what he's saying, since he'd just try to confuse us.

What do we gain from not figuring it out?
 

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It's still another townies view on the situation (assuming he's town ofc)

And the fact still remains that by not figuring out what he's saying we might be giving scum a free ticket. Unless you have another solution.
 

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Idk, everyone doesn't seem to be able to read it that good. Just found it odd that Gheb didn't want to figure out what he meant.

If you can read his posts 100%, what did he say in his last post (not the Sonic one)?
 

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He's bullying in those posts where he's still posting pictures. If you don't know, don't ask me. Ask him. By asking me, you run the risk of tainting the meaning. Ask him to clarify. Are you dense?
 

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And I have explained why I think it's important to know the content of his posts. I've also explained why not knowing it is bad. Do you still think that there's no point in understanding what he's saying?
 

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.__.

Are you not even going to try and explain why you think my line of reasoning is wrong? It feels like you're just screwing with me.

Vote: Gheb

I guess I'm missing something obvious, but it would be nice if you'd at least try to explain.
 

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Why should we try to figure out "coded" messages of a player evidently not good at scum hunting?

:059:
BeatStick kind of already said what i wanted to say, but i would just add that i'm not really concerned with how good anyone is at this game right now. i was more interested in trying to get a bead on Red Ryu as a person if i could. what he thinks is suspicious and why, blah blah blah. it doesn't matter if he's right or not.

you seem to think Red Ryu is useless. would you support him being killed by a vigilante? and to anyone who might know, how often do people fake post restrictions?
 

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Yeah. Thought you meant Circus specifically, since I did ask him like 20 questions. I have nothing at the moment regardless, I'm just pursuing idle threads.


But you said you felt I was town on meta. You didn't say gut, which is what you seem to be describing. Meta implies that from my previous play, you see a reason in my current play to think I'm town.
Yes but I do not know what those reasons are really. I just feel you are playing how you do as town and not how you do as scum. I guess because you're showing more involvement. And as scum you're an idiot.
 

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Everyone has an ability or some sort. If you had scumbuddies out of: DH, Vand, Nabe, x1, glg, and perhaps others who have been in OS' games, they would have informed you of this when I asked you or before hand.

They would assume that what I was trying to get at was that if you answered 'yes' that you were town. And that if you answered 'no' you would be lying or that it would be suspicious if you didn't answer. So they would tell you to answer and to answer yes.

What I was looking for was to see if you would do so. If you did, then you would be scum. But since you did not see why you should answer, it furthers my view that you are town. Especially since you called for the opinions of others of the town. Where as scum would retreat to their buds to figure out what I was trying to get at before answering.
Zen I can see where you were coming from with the idea but like any trap you definitely can't solidify a town read so easily. Honestly, anyone who has played an OS game would of known EXACTLY what you were trying to do the moment you asked the question.

If I were scum with Beat I would of told him what you were trying to do but made sure he acted like he had no idea because he'd never played an OS game before. Maybe other scum would tell him to do something different, but your trap is not effective for determining if he is town.

If he'd claimed VT, sure he'd fail your test and I'd consider him scum, but he didn't slip or anything so you shouldn't be taking a town result because he answered your trap how he should of.

Again, I can see why you did it but its a bad way of going about finding scum.

Why ask him who he can read best? Are you going to listen to his opinion of this player more? Why would you do that? Otherwise explain how that's useful.
If he's town, yeah I'd probably listen to his opinion on someone he knows more, or at least scrutinize his reasoning more to make sure his read is not just based on meta. If he's scum, he's probably more inclined to having to make a strong stance on players he knows, because he has already said he knows their style. I guess it's not incredibly useful, but it's a good 1st post question imo.


@Vand: Why do you vote Gheb in #281? Do you think your vote will scare gheb into posting?
Yes because I'm a really scary guy :p. But no I'm not trying to scare him I just wanted to here more from him.

"Contribtuing" wasn't the right word when describing gheb....however, van seemed to be implying that gheb hadn't done anything, where he has called out zen several times and comments on my 243 and 244. However, that brings up another point.

Gheb does practically the same thing as X1 (calls out someone and says that thye could play better/dumbtown), yet no one calls him out for it. Why?
I said I wanted to see more from Gheb because he'd been posting a bit but without saying much of significance. Comparing what he'd done to X1 or another inactive at the time is near impossible because I didn't point out Gheb because he was inactive.

What are you getting at with this DH? Do you think people have done things scummy and gone unnoticed?

@Ryu: Being a bully isn't scummy. You might as well lynch someone for being mean.

Unvote not really sure where to put this apart from not Zen. I have no idea about Zen's reads though. Nabe bugs me a little bit but it's not much except for asking questions and being a bit reactive.
 

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I have a problem with this post. The first part is games are made publically, if beatstick were scum anyone could have told him that OS had almost only power roles in his game.
It's likely he would have been told by his scumbuddy. And it's likely that he would have been more willing to answer me if he was scum. That's how I see it at least.
Secondly, The part about how if beat were scum he wouldn't ask town is bull****. Scum want to do anything to get town on their side, wouldn't asking town their opinion on something gain him town points.
Hm. Yeah. But Beat answered me like right away. I feel he would have gotten his buds opinions first.
How can you base someone's alignment off of pregame?
-I stated that my reasoning for beat was meta and should not be taken as stable.
-You said how could I meta on someone who hadn't posted.
-I'm showing you that he had posted.
Zen, give me a number between 1-100 that would be how faithful you are in beat town.
Well the way that my mind works is that if I have a read on someone, they remain that way until something pops up that changes that. I can have a 95 read on Beat right now, but if anything shows up can change that. But to say that my read is somewhere like 55 because it can be changed would be wrong. I currently have a strong town read (90ish), but that can change anytime in the future.
 

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Zen I can see where you were coming from with the idea but like any trap you definitely can't solidify a town read so easily. Honestly, anyone who has played an OS game would of known EXACTLY what you were trying to do the moment you asked the question.

If I were scum with Beat I would of told him what you were trying to do but made sure he acted like he had no idea because he'd never played an OS game before. Maybe other scum would tell him to do something different, but your trap is not effective for determining if he is town.

If he'd claimed VT, sure he'd fail your test and I'd consider him scum, but he didn't slip or anything so you shouldn't be taking a town result because he answered your trap how he should of.

Again, I can see why you did it but its a bad way of going about finding scum.
Very well, but I'm not like clearing him or anything.
 

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i tried sending this post earlier but the site sent me a weird message and it didn't show up. so i'm sorry if this causes a double post or something.

Why should we try to figure out "coded" messages of a player evidently not good at scum hunting?

:059:
BeatStick already said most of what i wanted to say, but i'll just add that i'm not really concerned with how good anybody is at this game right now. i was more just trying to get a bead on Red Ryu, see what he thinks is suspicious and why, blah blah blah. it doesn't really matter if he's right or not.

Gheb, you seem to think Red Ryu is basically useless. would you support him being killed by a vigilante? not necessarily now, but in general.

and to anyone who could answer this, how often do people usually fake post restrictions?
 

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That was a serious question?

No, not seeing anything scummy wasn't supposed to be humorous. The way I said it was supposed to be humorous. You're really wound up, guy.
Apologies. It's just that you're so scummy.

You're lying about the statement being made a in a jokey type of way. It was clear that you were just giving your thoughts straight out. We are talking about this post yes?
What goes on here? Zen's being overzealous and BeatStick's being a sheep and Moriarty and RadFic are being bullies and everyone's hot under the collar but no one's being scummy yet.

And all of the people I don't know are the ones who aren't talking.

Vote: Rajam

I don't know you. What's up, stranger?

First, you seem to be under the impression that the mafia is going to be the only one making kills at Night in this game. Considering it's a game by OS and it's relatively large, I think that's a foolish assumption to make.
What would that matter at all... If two people could kill, that wouldn't change a thing I said... And it wouldn't be the goal of sk or vig to aim for town...
Second, I didn't mean to imply that you were solely focused on BeatStick. My apologies. In fact, quite the contrary is true; you're all over the place. My point in bringing up the way you were talking to BeatStick was simply that I didn't think it was the best use of your time since BeatStick has shown that he's going to be contributing to the conversation regardless of questioning. His alignment will probably work itself more on it's own. That is why I think it is better to pressure people who are not talking, which is why my vote is on Rajam. And frankly, I've never understood why more people don't do this.
The thing is, I AM pressuring people I don't think is town. You're making it like a player can only talk to one player in this game at a time which is not the case. There's no waste of time at all seeing that it too like 3 posts out of 50 something.
Lastly, just because I'm more interested in pressuring inactives doesn't mean I'm not paying attention to everyone else. I just don't think I need to directly interact with every player who posts in order to observe them and get reads on them. Maybe if my vote weren't the only one on Rajam, he would be more willing to talk.
Or you could wait more than a day or two into the game for him to post. Anyways.


I think Beat is town in a completely non-meta way. Gheb's null. I disagree with his read on Zen, but I don't think that him having that read is itself scummy.

Also, for the record, I think when Zen said "Clown" he was talking about me. It's an unfortunate nickname that I believe he took from Swiss.
This was actually an accident. I guess my mind just somehow made the connection between circuses and clowns and playing with clownbot recently. But yeah I did mean you.
Zen, then X1, then a tentative Clown without having consulted Swiss about him.
Ryker do you plan on tunneling me for no reason in every game we play, what is this? Get Swiss in here man.

Ryker, why x1? More particularly why x1 after me? Are you making the assumption that I will flip town? Or do you believe that me x1 could be scumbuddies. If that is the case, explain to me why you're so ******** all the time.
 

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Very well, but I'm not like clearing him or anything.
Well that's what I got from you saying it solidified your Town read. Whatever though.

i tried sending this post earlier but the site sent me a weird message and it didn't show up. so i'm sorry if this causes a double post or something.

BeatStick already said most of what i wanted to say, but i'll just add that i'm not really concerned with how good anybody is at this game right now. i was more just trying to get a bead on Red Ryu, see what he thinks is suspicious and why, blah blah blah. it doesn't really matter if he's right or not.

Gheb, you seem to think Red Ryu is basically useless. would you support him being killed by a vigilante? not necessarily now, but in general.

and to anyone who could answer this, how often do people usually fake post restrictions?
Hep, what's your take on RR so far? Do you have any thoughts on his alignment or is he just uesless to you so far?

To answer your question, posting restrictions aren't usually faked. We could possibly test this by forcing RR to post some text... but I don't see it as that important.
 
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