Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

[Beat!]

Why not?

I liked his new posts. The part where he says Zen and/or I are town is kinda null, but the rest looks like legit contribution, as opposed to pointing out stuff for the sake of it.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Ohhhhhhhh, you mean what's my read on Gheb?

Helpful. He's on the wagon I want to be on and he's been on it since it started. Null read, but helpful.

 

[X1-12]

1.) Za?
2.) What does it matter?

2.) It matters because Swiss shouldn't be that wrong about Zen. Ryker being so is understandable

 

[Radical Fiction]

Why's that ?

 

[X1-12]

Swiss has played with Zen more, Swiss is better at scumhunting that Ryker imo. Ryker gets too caught up in stuff which is on the surface obvscummy like Zen's rolefishing but Swiss would do less so.

 

[Radical Fiction]

 

[Circus]

Bolding is mine. Have you played OS games in the past?

No, but a cursory glance through the archives shows that OS seems be allergic to VT's as a mod. In a game this size, with little to no VT's, the odds of there being no non-mafia killing roles are pretty low.

Bolding is mine. You say here "in a completely non-meta way", which implies you have a specific reason to think he's town. Am I correct, and if so, what is it? Why did you feel the need to defeat Zen's meta on Beat, both of whom you seem to think are town?

Yes, you're correct. He's simply acting exactly how I would expect new town to act. I didn't specifically want to "defeat Zen's meta on Beat," I just wanted to tell Zen that I thought clogging the thread by actively digging into a player like Beat so deeply when he flat-out doesn't seem like he needs is a waste of time. I wasn't trying to make some big case about anything.

To add to the above, you say you disagree with Gheb on Zen, but that he might have reason to think the way he does. What is the reason to think the way he does? Has Gheb himself presented it? If not, can you? And why does what's presented not equal Zenscum?

I have no idea why Gheb thinks Zen is scum, and I won't try to speak for him. Some things about Zen's play that I find bothersome are his reachy case on X1 (which a million people have already said, I know) and his psuedo helpful questions. It seems pretty fluffy. But I still think he's town because I don't see scum being as ballsy as he's being so early on in the game, plus I do think he's using some decent logic to determine some of his reads (for example, even though it is meta, I do think his point about Kuz was actually really good). I think he's just hyper or something.

 

[X1-12]

No, but a cursory glance through the archives shows that OS seems be allergic to VT's as a mod. In a game this size, with little to no VT's, the odds of there being no non-mafia killing roles are pretty low.

Did you look through the archives before you posted #353?

 

[Circus]

Yes, I decided to glance at OS' old games before this one even started.

 

[X1-12]

What where the three scum powerroles in villains?

how many indies were there in FFVI and what powers did they have?

 

[X1-12]

answer me now, as best as you remember.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

"Contribtuing" wasn't the right word when describing gheb....however, van seemed to be implying that gheb hadn't done anything, where he has called out zen several times and comments on my 243 and 244. However, that brings up another point.

Gheb does practically the same thing as X1 (calls out someone and says that thye could play better/dumbtown), yet no one calls him out for it. Why?

Also, X1, do you see any reason in listing what happened, yet not showing any stances on it? Do you see any content in that at all

 

[X1-12]

Also, X1, do you see any reason in listing what happened, yet not showing any stances on it? Do you see any content in that at all

no, lol.



Back to V/LA land

 

[Circus]

What where the three scum powerroles in villains?

how many indies were there in FFVI and what powers did they have?

Dude, I don't even know. I used the word "glance" on purpose. I think there were, like, two indies in FF6, but I don't even remember what they did. I remember Kefka being in both games though.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Do you often comb archives?

 

[Circus]

Not really. I decided recently that I wanted to try and make another mafia game, and I looked at a couple of other people's set ups in the archives for some inspiration, in addition to reviewing an old one I did. But it's not exactly a pastime of mine.

 

[Circus]

Gheb does practically the same thing as X1 (calls out someone and says that thye could play better/dumbtown), yet no one calls him out for it. Why?

What's there to "call out" here? Do you consider this scummy?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Yes, you're correct. He's simply acting exactly how I would expect new town to act. I didn't specifically want to "defeat Zen's meta on Beat," I just wanted to tell Zen that I thought clogging the thread by actively digging into a player like Beat so deeply when he flat-out doesn't seem like he needs is a waste of time. I wasn't trying to make some big case about anything.

Beat is acting how you would expect newtown to act? How would you expect newtown to act? Can you demonstrate Beat doing this through quotes?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

What's there to "call out" here? Do you consider this scummy?

Circus, when X1 did it, zen and bet both immediatly reacted.

That wasn't the case here.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nabe you're asking a LOT of questions ... have the answers given you actually something to work with? Mind sharing?

 

[Circus]

Beat is acting how you would expect newtown to act? How would you expect newtown to act? Can you demonstrate Beat doing this through quotes?

I don't think it's worth mining quotes, to be honest. In general, he's much more willing to post than I would expect newscum to be, and much more forward with his thoughts. If he were scum with Zen, they wouldn't have been this obvious about it, and if he's scum independent of Zen, then I wouldn't have expected him to jump on to X1 with Zen so quickly and strongly. Basically, he's doing things that aren't necessarily smart or helpful, but he's being pretty up front with people. Newtown.

Circus, when X1 did it, zen and bet both immediatly reacted.

That wasn't the case here.

Fair. I thought you were trying to make a different point before.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu what is your stance on x1?

Don't see how Moriarty is bullying or how it's suspicious tbh

I completely disagree with Circus on that one. Town reads are extremely important. However, Zen is full of bull**** in calling that a town read.

Would people care if we Day Vigged Zen right now? It kinda would end the day phase though.

Don't vig Zen.

 

[Xivii]

@Gheb: lol wow. Clown = Circus.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Didn't get the Vader pic, Red Ruy.

 

[giraffelasergun]

glg what are your thoughts on x1 and Mori? Why did you say "@Rajam"???

The @Rajam bit was because originally I had something I wanted to say Rajam but then I decided not to say it but I kept the @Rajam there anyway.
X1 and Moriarty haven't done anything that struck me as scum yet, but I find it that anyone has any suspicion on either of them seems to be voting them for stupid reasons, such as Moriarty being a bully.

Thank you, but you've already made it painfully obvious how crap my case on X1 is, and I don't have anything else on him atm, so I can't really "back it up" just yet, hence why I will wait for him to post more.
And again, if the current case wasn't enough, I don't have much to add atm, since he hasn't made any new posts. I will get back to this when he's posted more and decide if I still consider him scummy.

This post is really grimey, it seriously sounds like you were waiting for x1 to post just so you could call him out again(the first part at least).

Beat, do you think two people who are scum would never buddy each other?

Everyone has an ability or some sort. If you had scumbuddies out of: DH, Vand, Nabe, x1, glg, and perhaps others who have been in OS' games, they would have informed you of this when I asked you or before hand.

What I was looking for was to see if you would do so. If you did, then you would be scum. But since you did not see why you should answer, it furthers my view that you are town. Especially since you called for the opinions of others of the town. Where as scum would retreat to their buds to figure out what I was trying to get at before answering.

I have a problem with this post. The first part is games are made publically, if beatstick were scum anyone could have told him that OS had almost only power roles in his game. Secondly, The part about how if beat were scum he wouldn't ask town is bull****. Scum want to do anything to get town on their side, wouldn't asking town their opinion on something gain him town points.

I really think that your question "do you have an ability bs" was unhelpful and everything that you've supposedly gained from it is null at best. If you want to provide reasoning behind it, please stop making it entirely based off of assumptions.

Everyone has an ability?
Lol
Now I understand what adumbrodeus was talking about

Graghghsalgjkladlsadkjgklasgklafj;afkj;kjaflkjd. I really feel like right now you're practically begging zen to read you as town.

Would people care if we Day Vigged Zen right now? It kinda would end the day phase though.

I hope you're joking.

I really hope you're joking.

Whhhhaaaaaat?? Dude I declared Beat as town solely on meta. That is in no way a stable read. While I do believe he is town, I should still try and further that read if I can. It's not like people town hunt and scum hunt separately. They are one in the same. If Beat had answered differently, my read on him could have completely reversed. You do realize that Beat is not the only person I have questioned today? I'm not just going to look at one person or a couple of inactive on DAY 1 like you are. You make it seem as if I am putting all my energy and focus onto someone I already feel is town when really it was more like an "oh I have a quick idea to confirm my feelings of Beat" type of deal. Beat is the only person I could have even used that question on anyways due to lack of experience and particularly lack of experience in an OS game.

Bold part: How can you meta someone before they even post? Also, why did you ask dh if he had an ability if only people without OS would gain you info from taht question? Not only that, but I still think the questions were null at best.

I liked his new posts. The part where he says Zen and/or I are town is kinda null, but the rest looks like legit contribution, as opposed to pointing out stuff for the sake of it.

I'm really starting to think that you start to call people town if they say you're town. If you are, please stop.

@Rajam: Please, start contributing soon.
@Kuz: Please start contributing soon.
@Nabe: Why is okay to assume people are town based off of enough evidence that can't clear them?

 

[HepAlien]

i like giraffelasergun's post a lot.

Didn't get the Vader pic, Red Ruy.

i don't get it either. i think maybe he's saying bullying is not related to being suspicious, but that doesn't make sense with what he "said" about Moriarty.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Didn't get the Vader pic, Red Ruy.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Red Ryu, why are you faking a post restriction?

 

[Xivii]

@Nabe: I really know why I feel you're town. I just feel you are. I think or something.

@glg: You didn't read my post correctly with regards to Beat and the question.

glg: What were you going to say to Rajam and why did you take it back?

glg: Beat had posted pregame.

glg: I asked DH because I thought I could get something out of him, but realized I could not.

 

[Xivii]

Nabe that should be "really don't know why".

On psp and biz

 

[giraffelasergun]

@glg: You didn't read my post correctly with regards to Beat and the question.

glg: What were you going to say to Rajam and why did you take it back?

glg: Beat had posted pregame.

glg: I asked DH because I thought I could get something out of him, but realized I could not.

What part did I mess up on exactly?

I was going to say something along the lines of "stay active please" but then I realized i made his first post was before my first post and that it wouldn't make sense for me to call him inactive.

How can you base someone's alignment off of pregame?

Understandable.

Zen, give me a number between 1-100 that would be how faithful you are in beat town.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe you're asking a LOT of questions ... have the answers given you actually something to work with? Mind sharing?

He said some statements that were odd, but managed to justify them when asked. So, no.

@Nabe: Why is okay to assume people are town based off of enough evidence that can't clear them?

Because it's an assumption and not a factual clear. It thins out the lynch pool and makes it easier to spot that first scum. When a scum member is lynched, you start fresh and reevaluate. With actual clears, there's no reevaluation -- they're town and that's that.

Swords in Inception, for example. The assumption that he was town was a very good one and town stuck to it despite potentiality to the contrary. Assuming indyVocal was telling the truth about being able to win with town was another worthwhile assumption, because it allowed us to trust his night actions.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Thanks nabe.

Also, zen I didn't see you were posting from a psp, so could you just give me a number 1, 2, or 3 that shows the part i got wrong with the number being the order of your quotes in my 2nd to last post.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red Ryu, why are you faking a post restriction?

 

[HepAlien]

Red Ryu, do you still find Moriarty suspicious? if so, why? in particular, i want to know if it's because of "bullying" or not.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red Ryu, do you still find Moriarty suspicious? if so, why? in particular, i want to know if it's because of "bullying" or not.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12403599&postcount=129
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12405571&postcount=169
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12405712&postcount=179

 

[HepAlien]

this is like talking to Lassie. interpretation anyone?

 

[Rajam]

Will start reading the game from tomorrow; too much stuff in college yesterday and today. Sorry about that

 

[vanderzant]

Sorry guys been busy with uni work + training. Will have time on the weekend though.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

He said some statements that were odd, but managed to justify them when asked. So, no.

Who "he"? Circus?