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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

SonicLink125

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It’s funny how most of the top 10 are the ones that had rumors going around them. Can you imagine where Isaac would place if Golden Sun got announced before this poll? He’d more than likely placed much higher.
 

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Anyone else feel like we’re going to get a Pokémon rep in the next Pokémon Presents video on Wednesday?

A little odd that we got some Pokémon reveals and then were told to wait another week for a few more announcements. And it just so happens it comes right after we get the ARMS rep since obviously they couldn’t announce it before then.

I don’t think that’s the only thing we’re going to get. I know some people think we might get Gen 4 remakes or the next Let’s Go games, but the timing is just weird. And Pokémon is so massive it makes sense to get another rep in the DLC especially to promote SwSh DLC.
 

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If I'm correct Isaac was 17th in the last poll. So he got higher.
Anyone else feel like we’re going to get a Pokémon rep in the next Pokémon Presents video on Wednesday?

A little odd that we got some Pokémon reveals and then were told to wait another week for a few more announcements. And it just so happens it comes right after we get the ARMS rep since obviously they couldn’t announce it before then.

I don’t think that’s the only thing we’re going to get. I know some people think we might get Gen 4 remakes or the next Let’s Go games, but the timing is just weird. And Pokémon is so massive it makes sense to get another rep in the DLC especially to promote SwSh DLC.
I hope not.
 

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Anyone else feel like we’re going to get a Pokémon rep in the next Pokémon Presents video on Wednesday?

A little odd that we got some Pokémon reveals and then were told to wait another week for a few more announcements. And it just so happens it comes right after we get the ARMS rep since obviously they couldn’t announce it before then.

I don’t think that’s the only thing we’re going to get. I know some people think we might get Gen 4 remakes or the next Let’s Go games, but the timing is just weird. And Pokémon is so massive it makes sense to get another rep in the DLC especially to promote SwSh DLC.
If a Pokemon newcomer was going to be in the second pass, why would there already be a spirit event when even Three Houses didn't get one before :ultbyleth: was confirmed? This spirit event was planned during the time the roster for the second pass was finalised.
 

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If a Pokemon newcomer was going to be in the second pass, why would there already be a spirit event when even Three Houses didn't get one before :ultbyleth: was confirmed? This spirit event was planned during the time the roster for the second pass was finalised.
Exactly. Hell, wasn't it stated that Byleth was already being decided before FE3H was even finished? That's how far ahead they decide things with first party IPs. I'm willing to take an L if we get yet another freaking pokemon fighter, but I 100% doubt it.
 

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I don’t WANT another Pokémon rep, I just feel like somehow it’s something that always happens like getting another FE rep. Both Pokémon and FE got new reps in the main game (even though Chrom was an Echo) and we already got another FE rep in FP1. It’s just something I could see happening. Hopefully it doesn’t.
 
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Could I be added to the support list, please? Golden Sun sounds like a pretty fun game and I'd like to see it get a revival so I can actually play it for myself, and Isaac has a lot of moveset potential. I think I'm on board with this.
 

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Could I be added to the support list, please? Golden Sun sounds like a pretty fun game and I'd like to see it get a revival so I can actually play it for myself, and Isaac has a lot of moveset potential. I think I'm on board with this.
Glad to have you! Let's just tag True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior so they add you to the list.
 

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Considering how Isaac getting AT'd hit the fanbase hard, seeing Isaac still manage to squeak out 15th place is pretty neat. Also nice that Dixie Kong and Maser Chief are in the top 20.
 

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Finished my second playthrough. This time I did and got everything I missed the first time around, including all the Djiins. I didn't know that some were hidden in the overworld map, which honestly explains why some spots looked too suspicious for nothing to be there lol.

Overall I think Golden Sun is a very good game. It's got a sort of Zelda-lite feel to it with the dungeons and puzzle solving. The Djiin system feels unique and it's got an interesting give and take dynamic by giving you summons and buffs in exchange for your total health and spell options. It's also fun to see what classes you can make when mixing different Djiins on a character. The music is some of the highest quality I've heard from a GBA game too.

Took some pics of the password on my phone and I'll have it ready for when I start on The Lost Age.
 
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I don’t WANT another Pokémon rep, I just feel like somehow it’s something that always happens like getting another FE rep. Both Pokémon and FE got new reps in the main game (even though Chrom was an Echo) and we already got another FE rep in FP1. It’s just something I could see happening. Hopefully it doesn’t.
I really tired of so many Fire Emblem and Pokemon newcomers in each Smash game especially Fire Emblem.

This is literally some of Sakurai's Commandments that he uses for each Smash game:

1. Thou shall have at least one Fire Emblem newcomer in base game.

2. Thou shall have at least one Fire Emblem newcomer as DLC.

3. Thou shall have at least one Pokemon newcomer in base game.

At least 2 Fire Emblem newcomers and 1 Pokemon one seems always inevitable for each Smash unless we are talking about Brawl which Fire Emblem only got Ike as a newcomer.
 

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If you follow the accompanying statements it seems obvious the FE and Pokemon characters are happening at the behest of Nintendo/IS and GF/TPC, respectively, not Sakurai. Sakurai even said that he thought FE was overrepresented.
 

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If you follow the accompanying statements it seems obvious the FE and Pokemon characters are happening at the behest of Nintendo/IS and GF/TPC, respectively, not Sakurai. Sakurai even said that he thought FE was overrepresented.
My bad I mean Nintendo's Commandments.
 

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If you follow the accompanying statements it seems obvious the FE and Pokemon characters are happening at the behest of Nintendo/IS and GF/TPC, respectively, not Sakurai. Sakurai even said that he thought FE was overrepresented.
100%. I can't see Sakurai wanting to put Byleth no matter what when the FE3H was still in development and no one had any idea of how Byleth could even play like back then. This was 100% Nintendo's forcing to shill the game, and even more when it was successful (altho by then it was already decided anyway, regardless of success), and our bad luck is that Sakurai likes FE so of course he agreed to it anyway, even tho it took a while for him to learn how Byleth plays, which I think is why it ended being the last in pass 1, lol.


Anyone else feel like we’re going to get a Pokémon rep in the next Pokémon Presents video on Wednesday?

A little odd that we got some Pokémon reveals and then were told to wait another week for a few more announcements. And it just so happens it comes right after we get the ARMS rep since obviously they couldn’t announce it before then.

I don’t think that’s the only thing we’re going to get. I know some people think we might get Gen 4 remakes or the next Let’s Go games, but the timing is just weird. And Pokémon is so massive it makes sense to get another rep in the DLC especially to promote SwSh DLC.
Not happening. We already know we won't see a new fighter in Monday's presentation, so I very much doubt anything else Smash will happen that week. And I know what's gonna happen on that week for Pokemon, It's a Pokemon game made by Tencent. ZhugeEX has been researching this for over a year and he said this week that he is excited for next week's Pokemon news. The only reason he has ever been excited for Pokemon is because of the tencent stuff going on, which also happens to have a tencent event next week I think.

And personally I think Pokemon already missed its chance for a new DLC rep. If they decided byleth when FE3H was still in development, then pokemon would have been no different, we would have already gotten a current gen new rep at this point. It's not gonna happen imo (also new gen got spirit event, while FE3H didn't, which kinda indicates as well we aren't gonna get anything else from the new gen of pokemon).
 
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100%. I can't see Sakurai wanting to put Byleth no matter what when the FE3H was still in development and no one had any idea of how Byleth could even play like back then. This was 100% Nintendo's forcing to shill the game, and even more when it was successful (altho by then it was already decided anyway, regardless of success), and our bad luck is that Sakurai likes FE so of course he agreed to it anyway, even tho it took a while for him to learn how Byleth plays, which I think is why it ended being the last in pass 1, lol.



Not happening. We already know we won't see a new fighter in Monday's presentation, so I very much doubt anything else Smash will happen that week. And I know what's gonna happen on that week for Pokemon, It's a Pokemon game made by Tencent. ZhugeEX has been researching this for over a year and he said this week that he is excited for next week's Pokemon news. The only reason he has ever been excited for Pokemon is because of the tencent stuff going on, which also happens to have a tencent event next week I think.

And personally I think Pokemon already missed its chance for a new DLC rep. If they decided byleth when FE3H was still in development, then pokemon would have been no different, we would have already gotten a current gen new rep at this point. It's not gonna happen imo (also new gen got spirit event, while FE3H didn't, which kinda indicates as well we aren't gonna get anything else from the new gen of pokemon).

I mean.... I think a reason why we wouldn’t see a new fighter revealed on Monday is because they’re going to reveal it two days later on Wednesday to make that Pokémon Presents even bigger than it already would be if we might be getting what you’re suggesting.

Again, I don’t want it to happen and I do think you and others are right that it probably wouldn’t happen, but I can’t help but feel like it’s a possibility simply due to the fact that it’s Pokemon.

It’s been a loooong time since FP2 was announced and we’re just now getting Pack 6. It can’t be too far away until they at least announce 7.
 

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I think they may hold on next announcement to make it right, with all the necessary honors and stuff. So probably in a general direct.
 

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I think they may hold on next announcement to make it right, with all the necessary honors and stuff. So probably in a general direct.
Yeah, Smash has never revealed characters in a non-Smash or non-general Direct. I doubt we'll see a character announcement in the Pokemon Direct.
 

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Are you implying that the only project Camelot has worked on all this time is minor updates for Mario Tennis?

Camelot is small, but its not THAT small.
Maybe they're just assisting other developers of Nintendo. Does that happen? I mean, Monolith helps with Zelda and all.

Speaking of, the way their world building is is actually amazing. Playing through Xenoblade CDE now, and I'd love it if they'd ever help with the world building of Golden Sun, or even Donkey Kong. I think both would work well with a sort of engine that Xenoblade has, as crazy as this might sound.

The way you select your party members and Psynergy skills could be almost entirely copied from Xenoblade, but instead of Arts it's Psynergy, and other options as weapon unleashes, Djinn, Summons.. name it. Just allow for one more party member, and give combat a slightly more turn based system which is slower than Xenoblade, and it's all fine. Weyard is way bigger than the lands of Bionis and Mechonis, and you could add Hyrule in that, and that's maybe the size of the map of Golden Sun 1, or the ocean-and-beyond-excluded maps of Dark Dawn.

Anyways, am a fan of this studio. As said, I think the engine could work for a 3D Donkey Kong game too. The 3 character party system is ideal, same as the way combat works. Could be sped up, and more button based instead of selecting commands. But with some subtle touches, it would be a great base of a 3D Donkey Kong game, with RPG elements in it. I mean, RPGs are also quite about exploration, collecting things, and things. I think it could work. Then again, Golden Sun is a way more logical choice.
 

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The more I think about it, the more I think it will be Min Min that will be revealed in a few hours... Hopefully it will be a Hero-like reveal.
 

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I kinda hope for Spring Man only because he's the chosen Assist Trophy, and it would give us some hype of hope.
 

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I think Monolith Soft recently said they’d love to work on a smaller project once they’re finished helping Nintendo with BotW2.

I love the Xenoblade series so I’d be all for them maybe working on a remastered version of Golden Sun 1 and 2 for the Switch. If we’re already getting that in some form then I’d be all for them working on a new game in the series.

Maybe they could have some working on a Golden Sun 4 while XC3 or XCX2 are in development. If they could manage it while working on BotW2 then they could do it for a GS4.
 
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11 hours to go everyone. Whoever the ARMS character is will probably change Smash speculation big time! However, regardless of what happens, we shall keep pushing for Isaac to get in Smash!
Ngl, I have a really good feeling Golden Sun’s time is coming! Keep the fight going, Adepts!
 

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11 hours to go everyone. Whoever the ARMS character is will probably change Smash speculation big time! However, regardless of what happens, we shall keep pushing for Isaac to get in Smash!
Ngl, I have a really good feeling Golden Sun’s time is coming! Keep the fight going, Adepts!
Yeah it doesn't matter what type of upgrade we get, an upgrade is an upgrade and naysayers will eat crow. Anything is possible!
 

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Greetings Adepts!

Other than occasionally making it over to hand out some likes, I've been pretty absent. Life's been rather crazy (working lots of overtime, getting laid off, getting COVID, moving, getting a new job...). But know that I'll be thinking of this group foremost during the reveal!

Best case scenario is that Spring Man is revealed, Assist Trophy upgrades are validated, and we'll never have to hear that as a counterargument ever again. Thank the heavens, forever and ever, amen.
Worst case scenario is that someone else gets in and they straight up say during the presentation that, "We would have added Spring Man, but he was already an Assist Trophy, haha that's too bad."

I suspect the reality will be somewhere in the middle. If someone else is picked, it will be used as an argument against us, so we should be ready for that. It would probably be the most legitimate evidence against Assist Trophy upgrades, but that's a rather low bar to begin with. So long as the worst case scenario is avoided, we're still alive. Spring Man might be the mascot, but there's a lot of other popular Arms characters of similar importance, so him being based over wouldn't be too shocking regardless. His situation isn't precisely comparable to Isaac.

I'm excited to see what the morning brings! We'll have good reason to be thrilled with Spring Man, but I'll probably also be happy to see whatever other new character they have for us. Either way, the fight for Isaac continues!
 
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Personally I'm still expecting a hero type character. Everything I've seen so far feels like it's pointing towards that. (granted I don't think there's a whole lot that's really pointing to any particular option so take that with a grain of salt)

Really it feels to me like it could only be one of five things:

1. Spring Man
2. Ribbon Girl (I kinda doubt she'll get in on her own but I still think the chance is there)
3. Min Min
4. Twintelle
5. Hero type fighter (with Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Min Min and Ninjara)

There's some outside chances like Max Brass, but aside from him being a popular Smash pick I don't really see why he would get chosen over Min Min or Twintelle. (I'm guessing the only reason he's even come up as an option is because of the "spirits deconfirm" crowd going wild)

The other outside chance is Biff....but that's a REAL outside chance. I don't think it will be Biff since we haven't seen anything that suggests he can fight like the others can....and whatever fighter we get is going to have to represent the basic style of fighting in an Arms game. (and that's stretchy arms)
 
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Hero/Koopaling situation is the best because it can easily please more people, which is what Sakurai is all about.
 

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I'm obviously hoping for Spring Man, with the hope that Sakurai will purposefully address the idea of ATs being upgraded, and whether we can expect more, but I think as long as the character is an upgrade, like a character that was already a spirit, I think it's safe to say we'll be in a better spot than we think.

At the very least, we can probably rule out an "Arms 2" character, given they aren't going to reveal a character in Smash before they reveal a character's game.
 

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Well, Roy is a precedent. Corrin too, in a way.
I wouldn't really count Melee reveals as a precedent for the current system for reveals, which is very different. Corrin was, at the very least, released in Japan upon his DLC's release.

If we got an ARMS 2 character revealed in Smash, that would be announcing ARMS 2 and I just don't see Nintendo being willing to announce a new game at a Sakurai presentation.
 

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Nintendo also showed us a picture of characters strictly from ARMS(1), and the ARMS(1) logo. There's no way it's a new character. It can be one who is intended to be highly important in ARMS 2 as a new protagonist, though. I wouldn't count much on it, but that's a possibility.
 

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Not sure if I'd be happy if it were Spring Man actually. I feel like *if* we get an AT upgrade at all, it will only be saved for one spot. I'd bet on that, in fact.
 

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Not sure if I'd be happy if it were Spring Man actually. I feel like *if* we get an AT upgrade at all, it will only be saved for one spot. I'd bet on that, in fact.
I feel like as long as Sakurai doesn't specify that Spring-Man is the only assist trophy to expect from the pass then it shouldn't be a problem. Isaac would rely on whether Nintendo wants to please GS fans or/and if a new Golden Sun really is on the way and they want to tie into it
 

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Personally seeing Spring Man get promoted would tell me that all assist trophies and spirits were on the same level for consideration as any other character when Sakurai was deciding on the fighter pass.

I wouldn't read into it any more than that. (as to whether or not it's possible to get more assist trophy promotions)

I feel like you should hold your pessimism for if a character like Max Brass or a brand new character gets in. Personally I feel like if the "spirits deconfirm" rule doesn't get thrown out the window today it's going to look very grim for Isaac going forward. (and any other assist trophy/spirit)

Not sure if I'd be happy if it were Spring Man actually. I feel like *if* we get an AT upgrade at all, it will only be saved for one spot. I'd bet on that, in fact.
If it's a hero type character that included Spring Man as one of the characters I think that would take the edge off it just being an "assist trophy promotion" somewhat.

Personally I don't see why we can't get another one or two more assist trophy promotions, but I figured I'd say the above in case it makes you feel better.

I don't really think Spring Man is getting in on his own anyway.
 
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Well, it's not the AT, but that's not why Spring Man isn't playable. Hoo boy. Brace yourselves for "ATs BTFO" anyway.
 
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It was definitely interesting how Sakurai made a deal of pointing out how spirit matches are likely to change with future updates.

It feels like he's basically saying spirits will get promoted.

(At the very least I'd imagine Min Mins spirit battle will change if you have the dlc)
 

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I'm not sure if this really changed our situation, but the idea of Spirit Battles getting updated helps the cases of many. I'm sure the Geno thread is popping offf.
 
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