Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[FlawedAI]

Reminder, people in other countries might misspell his name since Isaac is called Isaac in the English versions only. In Japan and Korea his name is Robin.

Oooo, that'll be confusing. People are gonna have to be able to determine through context whether Robin (Japanese) or Robin (English) is being used. To be fair, it's not like fighters having the same name has stopped Sakurai before (in the same language, too) and they can just use the English Robin announcer call! Easy peasy.

All of Isaac's names (that I know of) are: Isaac (English), Robin (Japanese), Hans (Spanish), and Vlad (French), which means he'll be getting 4 announcer calls. (Quick aside, the only character with a different name in every language is Mii Swordfighter, strangely.) It'd be weird to play on the Japanese version and hear "Robin" for Isaac, lol.

 

[ZelDan]

it's true that not all misspellings of Isaac are probably that bad, when there are probably factors I haven't considered for why they happen (like different languages, something I didn't consider)

Oh well, it's not like it bothers me that much anyways. Just something I couldn't help but notice happens quite a bit.

 

[Guynamednelson]

and they can just use the English Robin announcer call!

Actually, they wouldn't. They'd make a new announcer call with the I and O sounds that Japan is more used to, just like Simon.

 

[Cadillac]

Actually, they wouldn't. They'd make a new announcer call with the I and O sounds that Japan is more used to, just like Simon.

They might. In the Japanese version Simon's name is pronounced 'She-mon' because the katakana they used for Simon's name is 'シモン'.(Don't ask me why they spelled it like that. They can spell it サイモン, which is our way of pronouncing Simon. For some reason they decided to go with She-mon.) From the start it's totally different. However in Isaac's case they might reuse Robin's annoucer call since it's not totally different like Simon. I mean Japanese people know English, so they know Robin is Robin. If that applied to every characters, then someone like Marth would've had a different call between Japanese and English versions.

 

[Kalaam]

I don't see how the japanese name is an issue. In Japanese Robin's name is Reflet. So if you put the game in japense, you'll have Robin and Reflet, in english you get Isaac and Robin, in french you get Vlad and Daraen, in spanish you get Hans and Robin (I assume, dunno if Robin's name is different in spanish). I don't think you can change the announcer language individually.

 

[FlawedAI]

They might. In the Japanese version Simon's name is pronounced 'She-mon' because the katakana they used for Simon's name is 'シモン'.(Don't ask me why they spelled it like that. They can spell it サイモン, which is our way of pronouncing Simon. For some reason they decided to go with She-mon.) From the start it's totally different. However in Isaac's case they might reuse Robin's annoucer call since it's not totally different like Simon. I mean Japanese people know English, so they know Robin is Robin. If that applied to every characters, then someone like Marth would've had a different call between Japanese and English versions.

Exactly. You can take some liberties in translating Japanese (especially with likes L vs R, S vs TH, and V vs B, which are super common mistranslations), but Robin would actually be pronounced the same way. They might re-record it anyway, but if they didn't want to get another announcer call they could easily just re-use the English one. The Fire Emblem characters that have the same name in both languages are a good example of this: Marth, Roy, Ike, and Byleth all have the same name in Japanese and English, so they share an announcer call, despite the pronunciations technically being different (in fact, Byleth's male and female names are different, but they still use the same "Byleth" announcer call).

I don't see how the japanese name is an issue. In Japanese Robin's name is Reflet. So if you put the game in japense, you'll have Robin and Reflet, in english you get Isaac and Robin, in french you get Vlad and Daraen, in spanish you get Hans and Robin (I assume, dunno if Robin's name is different in spanish). I don't think you can change the announcer language individually.

I was more referring to discussion, especially between Japanese and English communities. When we talk about "Isaac", it's commonly assumed to be Isaac from Golden Sun, but if that discussion was translated into Japanese without the context, it could be referring to the Binding of Isaac or another game that I can't think of with Isaac as the protagonist, but not Golden Sun, unless the translator took care to change Isaac to Robin. And vice versa, we already have a character named Robin in Smash in English, so again translations would have to careful and aware of context.

 

[THE 6r]

How's everyone feeling?

 

[Pinguino21v]

Tired. It's the 19th and we still don't know when the ARMS character will be revealed.

 

[Kalaam]

Well, they said he'd be revealed and released at the same time.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Tired. It's the 19th and we still don't know when the ARMS character will be revealed.

Now we do.

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[SonicLink125]

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Isaac goes on vacation and we get an announcement of the ARMS Rep presentation. Hmmm... lol

I’m really hoping it’s Spring Man alongside alts like Hero was. The wait is gonna be...interesting.

 

[Pinguino21v]

I’m really hoping it’s Spring Man alongside alts like Hero was.

I hope too, at least Spring Man.

 

[THE 6r]

Please let it be Spring Man at least in part if not in whole. I want that fan rule gone sooooooo badly.

 

[Nazyrus]

Please let it be Spring Man at least in part if not in whole. I want that fan rule gone sooooooo badly.

To be pretty fair, it doesn't matter what type of upgrade happens, an upgrade is an upgrade, whether it's a spirit one, a mii one or an AT one. People's real fan rule is "no upgrade at all" because they just want to deny every characters chances, lol. As long as one type of upgrade happens, any upgrade can happen, specially of content from base game smash ultimate. I will celebrate whichever type gets upgraded in the end, because the whole "no upgrade" stupidity will die, and then it's just about time any other type of base content can get upgraded as well if there's enough demand behind whichever character.

Don't mind when people try to twist it after whichever type gets upgraded with "oh but this other type of thing certainly can't be upgraded, hurr durr", they are just idiots who don't want people to be happy and speculate freely. Smash fandom is known for getting BTFO'ed non-stop for years now lol

 

[SPEN18]

From the new papagenos vid it seems like some insider said that revealing the gender of the ARMS rep would be too much of a giveaway.
I feel like that points to Spring Man.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

As long as Sakurai doesn't say we won't be getting any promotions or the Arms rep is the final promotion we should be good

 

[Pinguino21v]

From the new papagenos vid it seems like some insider said that revealing the gender of the ARMS rep would be too much of a giveaway.
I feel like that points to Spring Man.

That and maybe there could be anothing hint in the Nintendo tweet.

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The yellow backgound of its image uses a pattern of yellow forms.
This specific pattern is used in the backgound of only three characters: Spring Man, Spring Tron and Max Brass.

It may or may be not a hint.

 

[FlawedAI]

That and maybe there could be anothing hint in the Nintendo tweet.

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The yellow backgound of its image uses a pattern of yellow forms.
This specific pattern is used in the backgound of only three characters: Spring Man, Spring Tron and Max Brass.

It may or may be not a hint.

I think the colored backgrounds might point to something I've theorized for a while: if any Assist Trophy gets the upgrade, they'll be replaced by a similar character for those who have purchased the DLC. In this example, Spring Man is the character (or at least the main one), Spring Tron, a character with a very similar model and moveset, "replaces" Spring Man the Assist Trophy, and Max Brass may be a new boss or something, not sure. At the very least, this has to point to Spring Man as the character.

Regarding my own theory, it actually would a point for Isaac because both Felix and Matthew could feasibly replace the AT. Sadly, Waluigi would be left out if my theory is correct, because there just isn't a character to replace him. However, the other character that comes to mind for me is Shovel Knight, who could be replaced by Black Knight. I'm sure this is just a crackpot theory that's probably not true, but if Spring Tron "replaces" the Spring Man AT, I think it'll be worth considering.

 

[Megadoomer]

That and maybe there could be anothing hint in the Nintendo tweet.

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The yellow backgound of its image uses a pattern of yellow forms.
This specific pattern is used in the backgound of only three characters: Spring Man, Spring Tron and Max Brass.

It may or may be not a hint.

It's worth noting that this pattern is also in the background of the character select screen in ARMS.

So it could just be a coincidence.

 

[Nazyrus]

As long as Sakurai doesn't say we won't be getting any promotions or the Arms rep is the final promotion we should be good

Yeah that's literally all we can hope doesn't happen. If it doesn't, then we are good.

 

[Kalaam]

The choice of word is very specific though "Sakurai presents AN arms fighter". Not "THE arms fighter". Could go both ways.
But if it was "the ARMS fighter" it would definitely point to a single character

 

[SPEN18]

So I know a lot of people have been saying things like "well if it was just Spring Man, then why would they leave open the possibility of someone else when it's just gonna be the most predictable choice."
Haha what if the reason they left the ARMS rep unidentified was to build up suspense and debate among fans about whether or not ATs can actually be upgraded, only to confirm the answer by revealing Spring Man. Of course, it's pretty far-fetched but it's an idea I've had for a while haha.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It's worth noting that this pattern is also in the background of the character select screen in ARMS.

So it could just be a coincidence.

I have covered this point in a different thread.

Anyways, the thing to note is that if Spring Man is upgraded, this doesn't prove that more AT upgrades are particularly more likely as much as they are a realistic possibility and for all we know, he could be the only one. That being said, something like this would be great for the morale of AT fanbases like those of Ashley and Skull Kid. And in terms of general upgrades, you know the Geno fanbase would have a field day with this.

 

[MeatOfJustice]

How's everyone feeling?

I got Xenoblade Chronicles DE this month, so I'm really feeling it! *ba dum tss*

The choice of word is very specific though "Sakurai presents AN arms fighter". Not "THE arms fighter". Could go both ways.
But if it was "the ARMS fighter" it would definitely point to a single character

I feel like it's the other way around, an seems more like a single one to me and the seems more vague.

 

[Kalaam]

I got Xenoblade Chronicles DE this month, so I'm really feeling it! *ba dum tss*

I feel like it's the other way around, an seems more like a single one to me and the seems more vague.

Doesn't "an" can mean "one among others" and "the" designates only one. Like "THE Chosen one".

 

[Sabrewulf238]

From the new papagenos vid it seems like some insider said that revealing the gender of the ARMS rep would be too much of a giveaway.
I feel like that points to Spring Man.

Unless the Arms rep is Helix so saying "genderless" would give the game away entirely....

Edit: I just looked it up and apparently Helix is a "he". For some reason I thought he might be genderless. I guess I'm getting caught up with Pokemon rules....

It does make it seem like they believe it to be a popular/commonly talked about choice though, otherwise they wouldn't say something like revealing the gender would be too much of a giveaway.

 

[SonicLink125]

The way it looks, his comment about not naming the gender of the fighter was just to not say any more.

Though, if it was a Hero situation, he honestly couldn’t answer just one gender in particular if it was a packaged deal with Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Min Min, and Ninjala for example.

 

[Cadillac]

I've seen people on twitter not wanting Spring Man because of the Waluigi fanboys...
Heh, tell 'em go scram. Besides the AT promotion thing, he's my top wanted with Min Min. I love his fun personality.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I've seen people on twitter not wanting Spring Man because of the Waluigi fanboys...
Heh, tell 'em go scram. Besides the AT promotion thing, he's my top wanted with Min Min. I love his fun personality.

ARMS has so many good character designs. These characters are brimming with their own individuality and flavour.

 

[Qeomash]

I still think Nintendo will reveal a Hero/Koopa Kid style multi-character fighter. And if they do that, I see absolutely no reason why it wouldn't include Springman.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I don't really get why in his video Papageno says what Nate said means it must be a singular character.

Wouldn't it make things even more obvious than anything else if he had said that the fighter was both male and female? That would pretty much give the game away entirely. In that scenario there isn't really much of a question about who would get in.

Spring Man and Ribbon Girl would almost certainly be part of a hero like character and possibly Min Min too because of her similar body shape. The only question then would be who the fourth one would be. (and it would probably be Ninjara because of having a similar body shape) Twintelle, another popular character may not fit as easily into a hero type character because she punches using her hair instead of her arms.

Like at least right now there's a discussion between whether it's Min Min, Spring Man, Ribbon Girl or Twintelle.....but if it was outright confirmed to be a hero type character a lot of that uncertainty would disappear. (sure you could never be sure, but they're hardly going to throw a hero type character with Monster Mummy, Twintelle, Mechanika and Kid Cobra at us, it wouldn't make sense. They'd have to at least have similar body shapes and method of punching)

 

[ArkSPiTFirE]

It's a relief to know we'll finally know who's going to be in the pass after all this time. We won't learn who else is in it, but this could make or break Isaac fan's hopes, and plenty of others of course.

I still can't pin one down between Spring Man and Min Min. I think they both have strong chances for different reasons. Getting both would be ideal really.

 

[Nazyrus]

I don't really get why in his video Papageno says what Nate said means it must be a singular character.

Do me a favor, don't pay attention to Papageno and the things he believes from people's reaching lol. Every time i check a video of his i have to skip these parts because it's just stupid. The whole wording was as neutral as it gets, it could mean one character, it could still be multiple, it could be female, it could be male, it doesn't matter, people in this fandom always ends trying to overanalyze things that have nothing behind them going on. Trust me, it's a waste of time lol. Just skip the parts where he wastes his time paying attention to the amount of overanalyzing this fandom does haha

It's a relief to know we'll finally know who's going to be in the pass after all this time. We won't learn who else is in it, but this could make or break Isaac fan's hopes, and plenty of others of course.

I still can't pin one down between Spring Man and Min Min. I think they both have strong chances for different reasons. Getting both would be ideal really.

I'm ok with whichever as long as there is an upgrade of any kind, it will break the belief that upgrades at all cannot happen. I'm more excited for the mii costume section haha (and scared), I want to see Lloyd survive this murder sessions! Motoi Sakuraba bros gotta keep hoping haha

 

[Megadoomer]

people in this fandom always ends trying to overanalyze things that have nothing behind them going on.

That's not exclusive to the fans of any given Youtuber, though. Even on this forum, we have people overanalyzing the background of the tweet announcing the presentation for the Smash Bros. ARMS character and assuming that it's going to be Spring Man, Springtron, or Max Brass based exclusively on that background.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

That's not exclusive to the fans of any given Youtuber, though. Even on this forum, we have people overanalyzing the background of the tweet announcing the presentation for the Smash Bros. ARMS character and assuming that it's going to be Spring Man, Springtron, or Max Brass based exclusively on that background.

I’m surprised they didn’t overanalyse the reveal montage of all the ARMS character where Spring Man and Ribbon Girl’s screen were the biggest.

 

[millsfan]

Really hoping for Springman. Imagine if the entire pack was assist upgrades? Been wanting Shadow since 2007. Isaac too...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

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488. Solbliminal
489. Solfiner
490. someonetookjacob
491. SonicLink125
492. SonicSmasher
493. SoraSaturn
494. Sordim522
495. SorMago
496. SorrowOfAcheron
497. SoulofKhaos
498. Soulsaint
499. SoupCanMafia
500. Sparkus
501. Spatman
502. Spazzy_D
503. Speedwagon
504. Speed Weed
505. SPEN18
506. spoilerowl
507. Spootondorf
508. Sqid
509. Squirtle/Mario guy
510. SSBFan
511. Staarih
512. StaffofSmashing
513. Strider_Bond00J
514. StrikeBlade
515. SundaeS
516. SuperBrawler
517. Superfiremario
518. SuperNintendoKid
519. Supersmash77
520. Superyoshiom
521. Swampasaur
522. Sykin
523. Takasmash
524. tamagone
525. TappyBat
526. TBone06
527. tbuster766
528. TCT~Phantom
529. TeamFlareZakk
530. Techno1000
531. Tecnoid
532. Teeb147
533. TeenGirlSquad
534. TehEpicRyuga
535. TempestSurge
536. Tetiro
537. Tetrin
538. ThatShadowLink
539. THE 6r
540. The Curious Volnutt
541. The One Who Wrote This
542. Thekewlusername
543. T-Hell
544. TheRealHeroOfWinds
545. TheSeanMan
546. TheSpaceKing
547. The Stoopid Unikorn
548. TheTactician
549. THE TemporaryFool
550. thethirdkoopa
551. TheZoologist
552. ThirdDay
553. ThoughtfulWanderer
554. ThunderOverload
555. TiaSilvia
556. TimeSmash
557. Tinfoil
558. Tiymako
559. ToothiestAura
560. topspin1617
561. Tornado_Man
562. Travix Man
563. TreeBranch
564. True Blue Warrior
565. Turmalinium
566. tveye
567. tyrus+
568. UltimateWario
569. Ultinarok
570. Undella2
571. User Name String
572. UtopianPoyzin
573. valkiriforce
574. Vann Accessible
575. Vegito2727
576. Venus of the Desert Bloom
577. Vintage Creep
578. Violenceman
579. WaddleMatt
580. walph
581. warelander
582. Warheart_666
583. Wigglytuff ★
584. winterofsilver
585. Wintropy
586. WhiteEaglePL
587. Xelion
588. Xenigma
589. XenoWarriorX
590. XeVioN
591. Xiivi
592. Xithyl_kykorl
593. xLemmy_KoopaX
594. xNaz
595. xpnc
596. XTremeGamer1234
597. XxLtxX
598. Yangfly Leone
599. YellowLord
600. Yggdra
601. Yoh
602. Yoshi444
603. YoshiandToad
604. Young Horsetail
605. Your Hero
606. Ypsen
607. Yuki Setsuna
608. Yusa
609. YwhaletailY
610. Zabadoo
611. zabimaru1000
612. zagman505
613. zaiman12345
614. Zalaresh
615. Zandro
616. ZanZero
617. ZarroTsu
618. ZeldaMaster
619. ZelDan
620. ZestyÑ
621. zferolie
622. zmero_
623. Zulyar
624. Zuppo

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Recent poll results for the fighter pass 2 from Source Gaming:

https://sourcegaming.info/2020/06/20/mega-smash-poll-ssbu-fighter-pass-2/

#15 is a really good result for Isaac, considering he's an assist trophy. (same for Waluigi at #12)

Felix got in at #90 as well. Matthew, Alex, Sveta and Saturos also got votes but they were outside the top 100.

Edit: Shout out to the one person who voted for Menardi!

 

[Nazyrus]

yeah if everyone voted for just Isaac he would be higher.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Recent poll results for the fighter pass 2 from Source Gaming:

https://sourcegaming.info/2020/06/20/mega-smash-poll-ssbu-fighter-pass-2/

#15 is a really good result for Isaac, considering he's an assist trophy. (same for Waluigi at #12)

Felix got in at #90 as well. Matthew, Alex, Sveta and Saturos also got votes but they were outside the top 100.

Edit: Shout out to the one person who voted for Menardi!

If this is how high Isaac got despite being an AT, imagine how much better he would have ranked had an AT already been promoted to DLC. Skull Kid might have also done better.