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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Pwnapplez

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I need a Felix amiibo I can worship.
I just want Golden Sun merch. When I was a little kid I would make custom trophies (like the ones in Melee) for Isaac and other video game characters.

It probably wouldn't be a scrollbar. Just scale down the images again.


However, it's not that likely there's more. But at the same time, there absolutely could be. I think there will be once DLC kicks in.
Oh yeah, I can see 1-2 years of DLC. 5 fighters lots of stages and maybe some outfits
 

XenoWarriorX

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If anything, as I have said, Sora is #1 on my "Dear God, Do Not Ever Put This Guy in the Freaking Game!" list. I've played a few Kingdom Hearts games, because I want to have a logical argument against him, but I never beat any of them besides RE:Coded, and I actually do not have any emotional attachment to Sora. The original hook of the first two games were "Final Fantasy Meets Disney!", and Sora was just a creation for the player to explore this mish-mash. Even if you remove both those assets and explore the remaining details, it's a very confusing story about an old guy wanting to use "Kingdom Hearts" for universal domination, his henchmen who, turns out, can be easily replicated, and since all the games that make the story fleshed out were originally confined to portables, it was easy to forget about them hadn't it been for the PS3 Remixes.

I've, in the past, compared Sora to a "Mary Sue", because the plot of the early games made him the centerpiece of everything where Sora was the end all, be all, and the attempts to diminish that viewpoint, such as how the TWEWY's main hero looks down on Sora as a "softie", and KH III trying to emphasize that Sora won't be able to do it all have barely diminished this look.

Over in general discussions about Ultimate, I made a thread arguing how one reacts to earnest desires for Goku to be in the game, and the comments I agree with were pointing out a rare instance of a "slippery slope fallacy" being correct. As Kingdom Hearts is so Disney-oriented to where you have a hard time remembering the true story, Sora also is the other "slippery slope" character in this scenario, because once Sora gets in, Disney characters will get in, and after that, people will demand Batman, and things just fall apart for discussions.

TL:DR; I just don't want a big budget MUGEN.
The thing about Sora is that he's still a video game character.

No matter what someone thinks, by definition, Sora's first appearance was in a video game.

The issue arises when Disney characters, the main appeal of kingdom hearts, aren't able to make the equation.


Sora and Mickey Mouse are SURE as hell not in the same boat.
 

Jupiter Ivan

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I would love Felix having Megiddo as his Final Smash... but Eclipse would be cool to, or the "Evil Judgment" to be a mirrored since Isaac is a Hero, and Felix (also a Hero) but see itself as a Villain
I’d say Felix is more of an Antihero. Doing what many see as the wrong thing for the right reasons. Partly because his family is being held hostage and partly because he knows the truth about Weyard needing Alchemy to survive. Also I do believe “Evil Judgement” would be Catastrophe.
 

Pwnapplez

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I wish the Switch had a VC. GBA games would make a killer.
Could you imagine if Isaac gets in how many people would try Golden Sun?
Heck even play a remake were you can battle people online?

Or even an online colosso?

I wonder if the remake will show Isaac journey to the jupiter lighthouse as a side quest or something.


I’d say Felix is more of an Antihero. Doing what many see as the wrong thing for the right reasons. Partly because his family is being held hostage and partly because he knows the truth about Weyard needing Alchemy to survive. Also I do believe “Evil Judgement” would be Catastrophe.
I think the anti-heros are Saturos and Menardi. Agatio could be one but he is more like SMASH FELIX I KILL. However he has one of the best skills that I wish we could of used
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Man, this battle was amazing!

UGH! Man a remake is much needed!
 

FlawedAI

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It's been a while since I last posted on SmashBoards, but I have to say I'm very, very confident about Isaac's chances. What really sealed the deal for me was the Rathalos tweet, because there's no freakin way Sakurai doesn't know about that very specific angle from a series with a highly requested character. I'm thinking the next reveals will be in early October, with the whole sun/moon/stars thing being resolved. So, you heard it here first folks: Smash Direct every two months (June: E3, August: 8/8, October, December: Final pre-release presentation), with Isaac in the October. I wish I had a source for this, but for now it's just a hunch.
 

Billybae10K

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Potential trailer idea:
Villager is atop a house with a broken roof, trying to patch it. When some thatch floats in from offscreen and plugs the hole. Villager turns and starts to cheer at his helper, when he gets smashed off the roof by a Psynergy Hand, and Isaac makes his debut.
Isaac is about to make his debut when he gets smashed off of the roof by another psynergy hand. The camera pans back to the ladder on the roof, where Dora has climbed up, thatch in hand. She then says, "I'll do it myself then!" Isaac's Mother makes her mark!
 

Pwnapplez

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You sir, have won childhood.
I wish I was back home in NY right now. I would take pictures of em.

I use to do a lot of custom stuff! I also made custom legos of Isaac, Piers and Ivan.

Last thing I did for Golden Sun was my cosplay at Anime Expo. So many people knew who I was!
I did a ****ty job with the wig but the armor and props were on point

Here is the chest plate
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and the unpainted Gaia blade and regular sword


I wish I had a photo of the finished version

If Isaac gets in i'll remake my outfit to the Smash version
 
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SebasSancy

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would you be ok if they reveal Isaac with another character? I think the theme "Sun, moon and stars" is awesome, and can give us 3 characters in 1 trailer (Isaac, Skull Kid and Geno)
 

Pwnapplez

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would you be ok if they reveal Isaac with another character? I think the theme "Sun, moon and stars" is awesome, and can give us 3 characters in 1 trailer (Isaac, Skull Kid and Geno)
I can just have Sakarai tweet "oh, Isaac is in btw" and ill be happy. I don't care how he is shown off, I just want it to happen
 

FlawedAI

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would you be ok if they reveal Isaac with another character? I think the theme "Sun, moon and stars" is awesome, and can give us 3 characters in 1 trailer (Isaac, Skull Kid and Geno)
As long as Isaac is revealed, I don't mind. But, I'd rather have him and Golden Sun get its own trailer.
 

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That's soo close to 500 supports!
All the support for Isaac seem so unreal, yet so amazing.
 

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Found em!

However I fixed the paint on the Gaia blade and added a real blue gem rock in the middle and some bend stems of flowers for the swirls to give it that gaia effect!
But! here they are
 

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Isaac deserves his own trailer. Sure the "moon, stars, sun" trailer could be really fun, but i don't know, I think that he deserves his own trailer. His fans also deserves it. If you have other characters in the trailer, people will not say "Isaac from Golden Sun confirmed", they will say "many characters confirmed". That's clearly not the same thing. Golden Sun and Isaac need 100% of the spotlight in my opinion.
 

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I wonder if we’ll make it to 500 supporters soon. At this rate, we might even get to 300 pages before the next direct...
 

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Yeah a Felix echo is something I'm actually pretty hype about if it happens. I would definitely go him in some MUs that Isaac would have a harder time with.

but real quick want to address one thing.
If anything, as I have said, Sora is #1 on my "Dear God, Do Not Ever Put This Guy in the Freaking Game!" list. I've played a few Kingdom Hearts games, because I want to have a logical argument against him, but I never beat any of them besides RE:Coded, and I actually do not have any emotional attachment to Sora. The original hook of the first two games were "Final Fantasy Meets Disney!", and Sora was just a creation for the player to explore this mish-mash. Even if you remove both those assets and explore the remaining details, it's a very confusing story about an old guy wanting to use "Kingdom Hearts" for universal domination, his henchmen who, turns out, can be easily replicated, and since all the games that make the story fleshed out were originally confined to portables, it was easy to forget about them hadn't it been for the PS3 Remixes.

I've, in the past, compared Sora to a "Mary Sue", because the plot of the early games made him the centerpiece of everything where Sora was the end all, be all, and the attempts to diminish that viewpoint, such as how the TWEWY's main hero looks down on Sora as a "softie", and KH III trying to emphasize that Sora won't be able to do it all have barely diminished this look.

Over in general discussions about Ultimate, I made a thread arguing how one reacts to earnest desires for Goku to be in the game, and the comments I agree with were pointing out a rare instance of a "slippery slope fallacy" being correct. As Kingdom Hearts is so Disney-oriented to where you have a hard time remembering the true story, Sora also is the other "slippery slope" character in this scenario, because once Sora gets in, Disney characters will get in, and after that, people will demand Batman, and things just fall apart for discussions.

TL:DR; I just don't want a big budget MUGEN.
I get that nobody really likes having to deal with Disney having a hand in the game, but if you ignore Disney's ownership of the franchise, it certainly stacks up very well compared to the competition. It's sold millions of units, has a worldwide fanbase, and is one of the most significant things Square has had a hand in making.

Sora is a video game character first and foremost. His primary notability and all major appearances of him have been in video games. I'm not advocating
Mickey Mouse to be in the game, nor am I a troll who demands Goku. I do not think of him as a "slippery slope" character. Sakurai would not be stupid enough to include non-video game characters in Smash (I don't see anyone advocating for a Yugioh character despite Konami being involved).

Sorry about going off subject from Isaac. Just wanted to respond to criticism. Continue the normal conversation.

Edit: Also, we almost at 200 pages!!!
 
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Not that I think Golden Sun will be have a massive amount of content if Isaac becomes playable....but I think it's worth considering that Sakurai might treat the franchise well considering it was a highly voted Nintendo IP that wasn't already represented in Smash. Not to mention people have been asking for Isaac and Golden Sun content since Brawl.

Though I think just getting Isaac playable would mean we'd already be getting more Golden Sun content in Smash than ever before.
 
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Yeah a Felix echo is something I'm actually pretty hype about if it happens. I would definitely go him in some MUs that Isaac would have a harder time with.

but real quick want to address one thing.


I get that nobody really likes having to deal with Disney having a hand in the game, but if you ignore Disney's ownership of the franchise, it certainly stacks up very well compared to the competition. It's sold millions of units, has a worldwide fanbase, and is one of the most significant things Square has had a hand in making.

Sora is a video game character first and foremost. His primary notability and all major appearances of him have been in video games. I'm not advocating
Mickey Mouse to be in the game, nor am I a troll who demands Goku. I do not think of him as a "slippery slope" character. Sakurai would not be stupid enough to include non-video game characters in Smash (I don't see anyone advocating for a Yugioh character despite Konami being involved).

Sorry about going off subject from Isaac. Just wanted to respond to criticism. Continue the normal conversation.

Edit: Also, we almost at 200 pages!!!
Let me also tell you this. Just because Sora is owned by Disney doesnt make him a 4th party character.

Both Spyro and Crash were owned by Universal for half of their lifespan.

And Croc was owned by FOX.

But we still consider them Video Game characters.
 

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Sora being owned by Disney doesn't really affect anything other than making him extremely difficult to license, hence I doubt he makes it into Smash basically ever. But he's still a video game character nonetheless.
 

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Add me to the Supporters List Please! Let's get 200!

EDIT: Just realized that I was already on the list... OOPS.
 
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Hmm Elma has been added as a Blade to Xenoblade 2. Do you think it could mean something?
 

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Hmm Elma has been added as a Blade to Xenoblade 2. Do you think it could mean something?
Not necessarily.

Other than the fact that they seemingly consider Elma to be the face of Xenoblade Chronicles X. (and not Cross like some people might have thought)

I don't think it changes much for her aside from getting a bit more publicity.
 

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Hmm Elma has been added as a Blade to Xenoblade 2. Do you think it could mean something?
No, it's like DK being in the Rabbids game.
I don't think Xeno would get another fighter in base.
Not that I think Golden Sun will be have a massive amount of content if Isaac becomes playable....but I think it's worth considering that Sakurai might treat the franchise well considering it was a highly voted Nintendo IP that wasn't already represented in Smash. Not to mention people have been asking for Isaac and Golden Sun content since Brawl.

Though I think just getting Isaac playable would mean we'd already be getting more Golden Sun content in Smash than ever before.
Isaac in smash will make people want GS.

Roy made me want to get into FE and it worked. Loved everyone! Not counting the last one, that was a mistake
 

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What is your favorite
GS Weapon?
Psynergy?
Summon?


Mine would be
Sword of Dusk (man it is amazing)
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Rising Dragon (So damn cool)
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Catastrophe (It's like evil Judgement)
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No, it's like DK being in the Rabbids game.
I don't think Xeno would get another fighter in base.

Isaac in smash will make people want GS.

Roy made me want to get into FE and it worked. Loved everyone! Not counting the last one, that was a mistake
Wtf? Echoes was not a mistake lol. Fire Emblem: Echoes was fantastic.
Wow, so close to 200 pages. We weren't even in the hundreds before the direct.
i knew if Isaac wasn't revealed before King K. Rool that this was going to be the next to explode.
 

isaac3000

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Roy made me want to get into FE and it worked. Loved everyone! Not counting the last one, that was a mistake
I hope so too, people will see Isaac and get interested but remember this is not 2003(when was Melee released?), the internet today is so mainstream, people will research more before blindly playing a game, I worry the negative outcry for Dark Dawn will turn them away (a reason why I try to defend Dark Dawn as much as possible)!
Also nice swords you made there!

EDIT: Oops, quoted the wrong sentence, wanted the one above XD But since I quoted that one, you mean Echoes or Fates? I personally loved both so I wondering which you mean...
 
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Add me to the supporter list as well, if you please!
 

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What do think would be iconic enough to be a final smash for either Isaac or Felix ? Maybe summoning ?
Judgment or Megiddo

Wtf? Echoes was not a mistake lol. Fire Emblem: Echoes was fantastic.

i knew if Isaac wasn't revealed before King K. Rool that this was going to be the next to explode.
Oh no, I mean fates. I don't count Echoes are the last once since it's a remake. However, I loved Echoes. Such a great game
 
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