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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Sabrewulf238

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I'd rather we got Lara Croft over Sora.....and I don't even want Lara Croft.

Sora is kind of in Cloud territory for me, a popular Final Fantasy type that does nothing for me. I have played Kingdom Hearts 2, and watched my cousin play the original Kingdom Hearts but I still don't have any fondness for Sora as a character.

Though it's not like you're expected to love every character that gets into Smash anyway. :p
 

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I'd rather we got Lara Croft over Sora.....and I don't even want Lara Croft.

Sora is kind of in Cloud territory for me, a popular Final Fantasy type that does nothing for me. I have played Kingdom Hearts 2, and watched my cousin play the original Kingdom Hearts but I still don't have any fondness for Sora as a character.

Though it's not like you're expected to love every character that gets into Smash anyway. :p
If Isaac gets in I’d love every character, whoever they are.

Maybe.

...Okay, except Steve and Incineroar. And I’d even be willing to give Incineroar a chance if his trailer displays the amount of personality we saw in K. Rool’s.
 

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KH2 is still the best game I've ever played and I'd go crazy if Sora was announced but there are still characters I want more first.
 
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I want to see Isaac summon the Grim Reaper or an army of ghost.
Wow so much HP! My Garet is level 59 if I am not mistaken and got about 1100+ HP, so unless this was done with Atriu's editor for lots of Exp, that guy/girl did a lot of grinding!

Interesting moves but not what I want to see for Isaac's appearance in Smash, it should be more earth based :-/
 

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Currently my phone background is Ike's Ultimate render buuuuttttt when Isaac gets announced, there's going to be a new crisp render I'll want to look at all day every day lol.
 

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I lcome back here one day later and this forum has five more pages for me to look at. Wow things are really moving fast these days.
 

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The more I think about it

The more hyped I get about the prospect of Isaac fighting other traditional turn-based "RPG" characters.

Ness, Lucas, All the Pokémon, Cloud.

Lots of turn-based RPG game characters in this game.
 

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Add me to the list of supporters! Been an Isaac/Golden Sun fan for more than a decade, and both he and Geno are my most wanted characters right now. Really hope that he makes it into Smash Ultimate.
 

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Also the more I think about it, the more I think if we get Isaac as a playable character in the base game, the more likely a Golden Sun stage seems like DLC, similar to the Duck Hunt stage in Smash 4.

And I'm fine with that, as should everyone else.

Since, you know...

...there are already ONE HUNDRED AND THREE (103!!!!) stages in the game, all with the option to play in Omega Form, Battlefield Form, and without hazards in any form, and with 8 player Smash in them.

I think we could wait for that given that everyone involved with this game (and in this particular instance everyone involved in the stage development) already went overboard times ten trillion.
 

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I don't know about that. I think a Pokemon Sun & Moon stage could absolutely be shown off alongside an Incineroar/7th gen Pokemon reveal.

Xenoblade Chronicles X is a little more iffy to me, since I'm not convinced we'll be getting Elma. Although we could get an X stage without a Xenoblade newcomer I sort of feel like they might have revealed it already if it didn't have a newcomer attached to it. Which means there isn't even a Xenoblade X stage.....or they're waiting to reveal Elma alongside it. So the juries out on that one I think.

Also that would mean we were getting 6 newcomers from brand new series and I don't think it's likely that they would all be from new series.
Well who says we are getting 6 more stages?
 

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Also the more I think about it, the more I think if we get Isaac as a playable character in the base game, the more likely a Golden Sun stage seems like DLC, similar to the Duck Hunt stage in Smash 4.

And I'm fine with that, as should everyone else.

Since, you know...

...there are already ONE HUNDRED AND THREE (103!!!!) stages in the game, all with the option to play in Omega Form, Battlefield Form, and without hazards in any form, and with 8 player Smash in them.

I think we could wait for that given that everyone involved with this game (and in this particular instance everyone involved in the stage development) already went overboard times ten trillion.
Problem is that Duck Hunt's stage wasn't DLC. People always bring this up when it simply was not true. Duck Hunt was a base roster stage on Wii U.


In terms of Isaac's stage being DLC... I doubt they'd set it aside for DLC. Any new IP stages I'm certain they would prioritize over returning stages. Especially when there's a bunch of stages nobody ever cared about that are present here.
 

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Yep, just speculation since there is room for 6 more per the stage select screen. This does not mean that they will be filled, but they can be in regards to space.
 

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KH2 is still the best game I've ever played and I'd go crazy if Sora was announced but there are still characters I want more first.
Sora would be my second choice followed by Geeno(Nothing can ever replace Isaac xD)
So proud of you guys though, the ammount of speculation and fan outcry is literally providing a bunch of YouTubers a chance to create videos of Isaac. Just been watching a whole load of YouTube video's whilst awaiting some sort of confirmation and i'm not going to lie but my doubts are begging to low, I somehow feel that Isaac actually has a chance now, there are so many things that point towards him being playable, but who knowx xD.

I've played through Golden Sun but i've never really played much of Lost Ages even though I've heard incredible things about it, if i was to try Lost Ages, I will have to play through the original at least one more time xD.
 
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Yep, just speculation since there is room for 6 more per the stage select screen. This does not mean that they will be filled, but they can be in regards to space.
They could even not respect those 6 slots and go over it. Its hard to say either way.
 

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10 new stages in total is all I ask. Anything less than that would be kinda disappointing despite having 100ish returning stages.
 

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I expect like 3 more at most.
I'm thinking maybe 5 (three for existing IP's, and two for new IP's), at least base game. But its really, really hard to say. I think one "slot" will be for Custom Stages (unless they end up being a tab or something). But I do think DLC stages will probably come eventually where they start bringing back more stages that didn't quite make it, and maybe add some new ones (other than ones for new IP characters, of course).
 

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There's a video on the OP of the Sora thread where HMK, a Youtuber, talks about his conversation with a Disney exec. on the subject of Kingdom Hearts ownership, rights to use Sora's character, and if Smash was a possibility. The Disney guy basically told him that while Disney owns Sora, they have to get permission from Nomura, his creator, and Square Enix before they can use him in other media and said that if approached by Sakurai that they would consider Sora for Smash. I'm posting this here just to give you guys a general idea of Sora's legal situation, if you want more, the video is on the OP of the Sora thread. I know that Isaac and Geno are far more likely then Sora, I'm just saying that Sora would actually be possible considering Disney at least seems open to the idea.
 

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The more I think about it

The more hyped I get about the prospect of Isaac fighting other traditional turn-based "RPG" characters.

Ness, Lucas, All the Pokémon, Cloud.

Lots of turn-based RPG game characters in this game.
I feel like Isaac, Cloud, Geno, Nes, Lucas, and Shulk would all get along.

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I'd rather we got Lara Croft over Sora.....and I don't even want Lara Croft.

Sora is kind of in Cloud territory for me, a popular Final Fantasy type that does nothing for me. I have played Kingdom Hearts 2, and watched my cousin play the original Kingdom Hearts but I still don't have any fondness for Sora as a character.

Though it's not like you're expected to love every character that gets into Smash anyway. :p
If anything, as I have said, Sora is #1 on my "Dear God, Do Not Ever Put This Guy in the Freaking Game!" list. I've played a few Kingdom Hearts games, because I want to have a logical argument against him, but I never beat any of them besides RE:Coded, and I actually do not have any emotional attachment to Sora. The original hook of the first two games were "Final Fantasy Meets Disney!", and Sora was just a creation for the player to explore this mish-mash. Even if you remove both those assets and explore the remaining details, it's a very confusing story about an old guy wanting to use "Kingdom Hearts" for universal domination, his henchmen who, turns out, can be easily replicated, and since all the games that make the story fleshed out were originally confined to portables, it was easy to forget about them hadn't it been for the PS3 Remixes.

I've, in the past, compared Sora to a "Mary Sue", because the plot of the early games made him the centerpiece of everything where Sora was the end all, be all, and the attempts to diminish that viewpoint, such as how the TWEWY's main hero looks down on Sora as a "softie", and KH III trying to emphasize that Sora won't be able to do it all have barely diminished this look.

Over in general discussions about Ultimate, I made a thread arguing how one reacts to earnest desires for Goku to be in the game, and the comments I agree with were pointing out a rare instance of a "slippery slope fallacy" being correct. As Kingdom Hearts is so Disney-oriented to where you have a hard time remembering the true story, Sora also is the other "slippery slope" character in this scenario, because once Sora gets in, Disney characters will get in, and after that, people will demand Batman, and things just fall apart for discussions.

TL:DR; I just don't want a big budget MUGEN.
 

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If anything, as I have said, Sora is #1 on my "Dear God, Do Not Ever Put This Guy in the Freaking Game!" list. I've played a few Kingdom Hearts games, because I want to have a logical argument against him, but I never beat any of them besides RE:Coded, and I actually do not have any emotional attachment to Sora. The original hook of the first two games were "Final Fantasy Meets Disney!", and Sora was just a creation for the player to explore this mish-mash. Even if you remove both those assets and explore the remaining details, it's a very confusing story about an old guy wanting to use "Kingdom Hearts" for universal domination, his henchmen who, turns out, can be easily replicated, and since all the games that make the story fleshed out were originally confined to portables, it was easy to forget about them hadn't it been for the PS3 Remixes.

I've, in the past, compared Sora to a "Mary Sue", because the plot of the early games made him the centerpiece of everything where Sora was the end all, be all, and the attempts to diminish that viewpoint, such as how the TWEWY's main hero looks down on Sora as a "softie", and KH III trying to emphasize that Sora won't be able to do it all have barely diminished this look.

Over in general discussions about Ultimate, I made a thread arguing how one reacts to earnest desires for Goku to be in the game, and the comments I agree with were pointing out a rare instance of a "slippery slope fallacy" being correct. As Kingdom Hearts is so Disney-oriented to where you have a hard time remembering the true story, Sora also is the other "slippery slope" character in this scenario, because once Sora gets in, Disney characters will get in, and after that, people will demand Batman, and things just fall apart for discussions.

TL:DR; I just don't want a big budget MUGEN.
MUGEN was my childhood. Holy ****. Character trading in like 08 Youtube! Man those were the days!

If Isaac had a MUGEN character when I was growing up I would of went crazy!
 

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This thread goes top speed every day it becomes difficult to follow xD but I'm glad to see more abd more support for Isaac.

The person who did that MHA video with Golden Sun vs Gamefaqs was crazy ! I really lived it.

Actually even if I said I really believe Isaac gets in this time, I also have like many others, the fear that again Isaac and GS does not get anything in the game :(

But well, I'm more on the positive side of him getting in than returning back as an AT. So yeah the sooner we get information about Isaac's fate the better it will be.

And for Sora, since Kingdom Hearts is my favorite game series I would really live to see Sora get in Smash! He can too have a very co moveset, but yeah Nomura said he will not give KH3 for Switch before it releases in ps4 and xb1.

Let's wait, talk, and show support for our Golden Boy like we always do ^^
 

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Why do we say 6 slots for stages just because 6 seem to fit? Why are we sure there can't be a scroll bar to move the screen further down for more stages?

Also thanks for the Golden Sun video!
 

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There's a video on the OP of the Sora thread where HMK, a Youtuber, talks about his conversation with a Disney exec. on the subject of Kingdom Hearts ownership, rights to use Sora's character, and if Smash was a possibility. The Disney guy basically told him that while Disney owns Sora, they have to get permission from Nomura, his creator, and Square Enix before they can use him in other media and said that if approached by Sakurai that they would consider Sora for Smash. I'm posting this here just to give you guys a general idea of Sora's legal situation, if you want more, the video is on the OP of the Sora thread. I know that Isaac and Geno are far more likely then Sora, I'm just saying that Sora would actually be possible considering Disney at least seems open to the idea.
They don't have to they like to. In that video, the exec straight says Disney has all the control with Sora but they go to Nomura to make sure they are depicting the character correctly anytime they use him outside of the games. They don't need his permission.
 

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Long time no read everyone... almost 200 pages strong I see. :awesome:

I've been mostly keeping up with Smash news through YouTube vids. That Sakurai column was interesting to us for sure. Any other notable recent happenings?

Oh yeah... if we get Felix as a echo... who would you all main?
I like Felix, but Isaac for sure. He's just more iconic and representative of Golden Sun IMO, though Felix has been there from the start to be fair.
 

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Why do we say 6 slots for stages just because 6 seem to fit? Why are we sure there can't be a scroll bar to move the screen further down for more stages?

Also thanks for the Golden Sun video!
It probably wouldn't be a scrollbar. Just scale down the images again.


However, it's not that likely there's more. But at the same time, there absolutely could be. I think there will be once DLC kicks in.
 
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