Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[Coofle DeDoofle]

Are you trying to tell me some dumb racer from a dead franchise made it into Smash Ultimate? Pics or I won't believe it, I have insiders telling me Spongebob from Nickelodeon Kart Racers is our racing game representative. Patrick is an AT, Squidwards house is a stage.

Thanks for reminding me how much I want a Nicktoons Smash clone...

 

[TempestSurge]

Mystic and Stealth are two supposed "insiders" who both vouched for the validity of some of the leaked content before later backtracking the same day. They, like many insiders, have gotten TONS of backlash and harassment over their claims and their backtracking.

Stealth's backtracking was such a 180 from his earlier tweets it was almost comical in the way he worded it. I'm beginning to feel like you really are not supposed to even so much as hint towards the validity of the leak or any of it's characters. This to me at least explains the bizarre behavior of, Isaac's in to eh actually scratch that. I'll be very surprised if this is fake with how much of a mess it's seemed to cause.

 

[tamagone]

Everything's so legitimately messy at this point, that there is nothing to believe in. I think.

Personally, i still believe in the Grinch Leak. No insider around here can really 'prove' the leak fake without any sources. And that's final.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

I don't want to set the world on fire!

I just want Isaac in Smash

 

[SonicLink125]

It makes me wonder if they're all trying to plan something to get us all away from the Grinch Leak. This week is going to be wild. Hopefully a Direct is happening this week.

tbuster766 , every time you joke, I can't help but imagine you having that same hilarious smile of Isaac in your profile pic. Love that comic!

 

[GoodGrief741]

Hey guys Mario is in the game.

Am I a leaker now.

Pffft, fake. Incineroar’s not there.

But my friend's neighbor's uncle's wife's mom's sister's second cousin twice removed who works for nintendo said otherwise. I trust my inside sources.

Guys! I got word from my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate who's an employee at Nintendo and told me that Ganondorf will be an echo fighter of Captain Falcon. Crazy, I know, but you can trust me on this.

Whoa there cowboys, you’re giving up way too much info on your sources. It should be more like

Guys! I got word from my [REDACTED] who's an [REDACTED] at [REDACTED] and told me that [a certain someone] will be an echo fighter of Captain Falcon. Crazy, I know, but you can trust me on this.

 

[THE 6r]

I don't want to set the world on fire!

I just want Isaac in Smash

I think both of those things are a little out of our control at this point.

 

[SirCamp]

Mystic a.k.a. Spooky Mystic has worked in the past as translator on multiple projects, mostly JRPGs, that come over to the west. They jumped in on some of the Smash speculation recently and apparently has sources that have told him that the banner leak is fake but several characters being in is real. This was mostly just today with that, and he just had his twitter profile made to private. All in all, a very minor insider.

_Stealth has been around for a while. Talked about and leaked Simon Belmont before Vergeben did and several other things related to Smash and other games. He has also gone on record now for saying the banner leak is fake and has heard sources telling him notably that Isaac is not even after originally saying he was.

TL;DR insiders are just as confused as you are, there's no reason to trust them in the least. Just move on.

As far as MariothePlumber, a.k.a. MTP, he's taken credit for being the original Chadondorf poster on 4chan and also foreshadowed that this grinch leak would land at the anniversary that the ESRB leak did. He's very bombastic just like the Chadondorf post and curses like you might expect from the original grinch leak. He also is from Quebec so there's some vague connections there to perhaps being involved in this stuff. He's mostly a youtube content creator and rarely posts on twitter except for just recently. Basically, nothing concrete.

And there's nothing that really happened overall. Basically people saying things that can't be verified and right now aren't worth the effort to understanding the origins for now. The leak is still on neutral grounds and still awaits information from Nintendo or a Nintendo Direct itself.

Awesome Thanks!

Still not sure how you guys can keep track of all these people lol. Just so much going on at ths point and so many people I've never head of to keep track of. A direct needs to happen so I can stop paying attention to random youtube and twitter drama. lol

 

[SonicLink125]

Gosh! I can't imagine what /v/ looks like right now. Last I heard, most of them are team real.

 

[THE 6r]

Awesome Thanks!

Still not sure how you guys can keep track of all these people lol. Just so much going on at ths point and so many people I've never head of to keep track of. A direct needs to happen so I can stop paying attention to random youtube and twitter drama. lol

I envy you and your ability to not keep track of all of this so much right now.

 

[Icana]

Fanfic idea for Isaac's reveal trailer:

CG movie starts off with Pokemon Trainer and his Ivysaur in a forest fighting in a battle with a wild Squirtle.

"Ivysaur, Razor Leaf!"

Squirtle get's hit and is knocked out. Pokemon Trainer pulls out a pokeball.

"Alright! Pokeball go!"

Pokemon Trainer captures Squirtle.

"Good job, Ivysaur! Return!"

Pokemon trainer returns Ivysaur to his Pokeball. Pokemon Trainer turns around ready to leave, then suddenly, he hears a bush rustling.

"Another Pokemon? Charizard, I choose you. Blow 'em out!"

Charizard is summoned and uses his wings to blow out the creature hiding in the bush. Out comes some brown creature. It's Flint, a djinn!

"Whoa, what is that?"

Pokemon Trainer takes out his Pokedex.

"Species unknown."

"Whoa, I've gotta catch it. Go Charizard!"

Charizard let's out a roar, and begins chasing Flint. Flint jumps up in the air scared, turns tail, and begins running. Charizard unleashes some fire balls with Flint running left and right to dodge them. Eventually Flint exits the forest and enters an open field wherein a blond swordsman with a yellow scarf stands, his back turned to him. Charizard enters the open field, and Flint, in fear, runs up the leg of the swordsman, who then turns around and BAM!

Isaac challenges you to battle!

*Shows game-play footage of Isaac vs PkMn Trainer's Charizard.*

CG trailer ends with Isaac using Gaia. Text on the bottom of the screen says "It's Super Effective!" and Charizard falls. Isaac high fives Flint. The end.

 

[Mav485]

View attachment 173522
From 4chan.

Apparently whoever these guys are, they predicted the last two directs. Maybe our minds will finally be at ease.

I’d suppose this would just be a date for the next Direct?

 

[THE 6r]

Gosh! I can't imagine what /v/ looks like right now. Last I heard, most of them are team real.

It's probably a wasteland like a good portion of the internet is right now.

 

[Falgor]

Just my recent thoughts about Grinch:

Let's say for one second, for the sake of the argument, that the entire thing is fake:

One or a bunch of French fakers managed to CREATE all this stuff while having access to one company that could extremely logically be involved into the making of PSD for Ultimate and the Grinch movie. They also used the name of a legit 50yo worker of the company (by badly trying to hide it, on purpose), despite the possible bad implications for him. They created a gigantic leak with things making it look so legitimate it hurts ("yo we got wrists under our wrists and we got plans for PSD") that was then 100% absurd in terms of characters featured. It would have been easier to make yet another Incineroar leak instead (and it would be safer because less risks to make mistakes). AND on top of that they changed the WHOLE mural to make it look even more real by putting the characters together in a way even more logical than the current real one.

Then, days after they reveal their fake leak, they smh managed to (coincidentally):
-Get it to be stronger thanks to the ACP-PLV video down.
-Get it even stronger from an official Nintendo footage from Wendy's featuring an item looking like it comes from Golden Sun.

People who make such a terrible thing would get SO damn lucky? I refuse to believe it even one second.

And now the "insiders" are pretty much ALL acting weirdly about it, too. They say different things to try to shift the popular "it's true" belief into "it's fake" without giving any proof, some of them refuse to even talk about the evidence in favor of it.
Plenty of them suddenly start to get angry about it when people point this weird behavior, when they should keep their cool (and they should all have a good reason to stay calm if they know with definitive proof that it's fake).

 

[tamagone]

Spoiler

Here's to a comic that i spent around 10 minutes making and might or might not summarize the entire situation.

 

[GoodGrief741]

One thing I haven’t heard people mention about the Grinch leak, which I think is pretty heavy evidence in favor of it being true.

We know the pics come from Snapchat, yet we don’t know when exactly they were taken. The pictures were in the wild for an undetermined amount of time before finally being found - that’s when we all became aware of the leak and this whole situation started.

Answer me this: what sort of fake leaker creates a leak, then drops it somewhere on Snapchat with zero fanfare? Isn’t the point of all this to actually, y’know, trick people? Sure, leaks get lost in the shuffle sometimes, but wouldn’t you try to ensure people got a hold of it by uploading it somewhere like 4chan, GameFAQs or this very site?

If real, it also fits with the profile of the leaker. This was a spite thing, done by a guy who wanted to hurt his employer. A guy that doesn’t even know or care about Smash speculation, and thus wouldn’t know what sites to frequent.

All in all, the fact that the leaker made zero effort to make their leak known to anyone seems pretty damning to me. If I got any of the facts wrong, please let me know.

 

[Undella2]

Spoiler: SSF2 Isaac

Gotta get into that Isaac mood somehow, ya know?

Anyway, and may I be excused for asking this, but why, exactly, in Weyard, is an Emu stronger than a Kobold?

 

[Skyblade12]

One thing I haven’t heard people mention about the Grinch leak, which I think is pretty heavy evidence in favor of it being true.

We know the pics come from Snapchat, yet we don’t know when exactly they were taken. The pictures were in the wild for an undetermined amount of time before finally being found - that’s when we all became aware of the leak and this whole situation started.

Answer me this: what sort of fake leaker creates a leak, then drops it somewhere on Snapchat with zero fanfare? Isn’t the point of all this to actually, y’know, trick people? Sure, leaks get lost in the shuffle sometimes, but wouldn’t you try to ensure people got a hold of it by uploading it somewhere like 4chan, GameFAQs or this very site?

If real, it also fits with the profile of the leaker. This was a spite thing, done by a guy who wanted to hurt his employer. A guy that doesn’t even know or care about Smash speculation, and thus wouldn’t know what sites to frequent.

All in all, the fact that the leaker made zero effort to make their leak known to anyone seems pretty damning to me. If I got any of the facts wrong, please let me know.

They were apparently taken the day before the Chad leak went live. There's actually a huge amount of speculation going around that MarioTehPlumber was the one behind the leak.

Spoiler: 4chan Post

Quick summary of the current ideas.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

I've got a question for everyone, out of the three games, which main protagonist is your favorite?

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I've got a question for everyone, out of the three games, which main protagonist is your favorite?

Matthew but I'm biased he has my name

 

[Undella2]

I've got a question for everyone, out of the three games, which main protagonist is your favorite?

Isaac, then Felix, then Matthew.

None of them are necessarily bad protagonists in my eyes, though.

 

[tbuster766]

I've got a question for everyone, out of the three games, which main protagonist is your favorite?

I'm in a tie in between Isaac and Felix.

 

[tamagone]

I've got a question for everyone, out of the three games, which main protagonist is your favorite?

Definitely Isaac, Matthew, then Felix.

I don't hate Felix, but Isaac's quite ruthless behavior in TLA really makes him more appealing (he's also really handsome as an adult, but we already knew that.)

Matthew is best when pissed or sad all game.

Felix is a middle point, he really only belongs in the silent protag section.

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

I've got a question for everyone, out of the three games, which main protagonist is your favorite?

Definitely Felix, he looks older and cooler imo.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

Spoiler: SSF2 Isaac

Gotta get into that Isaac mood somehow, ya know?

Anyway, and may I be excused for asking this, but why, exactly, in Weyard, is an Emu stronger than a Kobold?

Australians lost a war to Emus

They are not to be trifled with.

 

[Dionaea_floridensis]

Gosh! I can't imagine what /v/ looks like right now. Last I heard, most of them are team real.

https://www.strawpoll.me/16731435/r this is a poll from /v/ a couple days ago

 

[Latias425]

I would just like to say that I would like to be added to the list of supporters. I just started playing the first Golden Sun game and I really like it so far. Here’s to hoping that Isaac will get his chance to Smash.

I’d also like to share my incredibly dumb headcanon of Saki and Isaac being the Smash versions of Drake and Josh in my fanfic universe.

 

[Dionaea_floridensis]

I'm prepared for the worst. I'm falling behind in my classes and I'm losing weight, but I've gone through far worse. Isaac or no Isaac, Smash Ultimate is an amazing way to end my third semester at college.

Reading that paragraph I realized how incoherent it is but it's 1AM so whatever lol

 

[Golden Icarus]

Man, I just hopped over to the Ultimate discussion thread. What a mess. The way it’s being spammed makes it look more and more like GameFaqs or 4chan.

I’m really glad our thread has remained the way it is. Isaacbros are the best bros.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

Man, I just hopped over to the Ultimate discussion thread. What a mess. The way it’s being spammed makes it look more and more like GameFaqs or 4chan.

I’m really glad our thread has remained the way it is. Isaacbros are the best bros.

I couldn't agree more

 

[Rayleigh]

Yup, y'all are the Golden Boys around here.

Not many other threads really hold the same quality.

Also I share the sentiment of Angry Matthew being hilarious shame Dark Dawn takes a little longer than its predeccesors to get really good.

 

[9Blades]

Man, I just hopped over to the Ultimate discussion thread. What a mess. The way it’s being spammed makes it look more and more like GameFaqs or 4chan.

I’m really glad our thread has remained the way it is. Isaacbros are the best bros.

I tried to keep up with that the first two or so days and it was nearly impossible. Decided its best to chill here instead.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I decided to predict the order I think newcomers will be coming in and where they'll appear. I'm not going to give my reasons but I do have some ideas in mind, I'm not just randomly slotting in characters. (well aside from Mach Rider maybe.

Nintendo Direct: (Early November)
Isaac (Opener)
Chorus Kids (Closer)

Smash Direct (Late November)
Geno (Opener)
Ken
Shadow
Mach Rider (?)
Banjo & Kazooie (Closer)

Trailer Drop (Early December)
Incineroar

Mach Rider is kind of an outlier, it could be revealed elsewhere.

I think Incineroar getting announced a few days before release is the only thing that makes sense if the Grinch leak and what the insiders have claimed are both true. I'm not sure if the insiders would be this adamant if they thought he was going to be DLC.

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

I decided to predict the order I think newcomers will be coming in and where they'll appear. I'm not going to give my reasons but I do have some ideas in mind, I'm not just randomly slotting in characters. (well aside from Mach Rider maybe.

Nintendo Direct: (Early November)
Isaac (Opener)
Chorus Kids (Closer)

Smash Direct (Late November)
Geno (Opener)
Ken
Shadow
Mach Rider (?)
Banjo & Kazooie (Closer)

Trailer Drop (Early December)
Incineroar

Mach Rider is kind of an outlier, it could be revealed elsewhere.

I would just swap Isaac and the kids, I think it's better to keep the most hype inducing character for the direct closure.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

so what's the general consensus of the leek now is it fake is it real does papageno still think it's real everybody else seems to think it's fake some loser who bought a bunch of amiibos came out and said it was fake this is a bad anime drama

 

[tamagone]

so what's the general consensus of the lake now is it fake is it real does papageno still think it's real everybody else seems to think it's fake some loser who bought a bunch of amiibos came out and said it was fake this is a bad anime drama

Rosalina guy claimed he was initial leaker, after claiming he was ESRB guy earlier.
NOW he claims it's fake.
PapaGenos is still okay with it.
A lot of """""""Insiders""""""" came out fo nowhere in Twitter claiming it was fake. Literally everyone is contradicting each other and themselves.

Incineroar.

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

so what's the general consensus of the lake now is it fake is it real does papageno still think it's real everybody else seems to think it's fake some loser who bought a bunch of amiibos came out and said it was fake this is a bad anime drama

It's been almost a week and nothing decisive has come up regarding the leak, so people are super confused.

 

[PhilosophicAnimal]

Hey guys, posted this in the Geno thread, but felt like I should share it with you all:

Not to derail this into an Isaac tangent, but I have started to get legit hyped for the Golden Boy. I'm not very into GS myself, but the fact that we can get a character who can not only use a sword, but also giant magic hands, earth magic, summon plants, and theoretically also use any number of other elemental spells makes him possibly the most unique newcomer choice, right next to our boy Geno. I'll be honest: as unique as someone like Banjo would be, he even tops that. (not hating on B-K by any means, btw.)

If Isaac does get in, and I hope he does, I'm seriously excited to play him. I can see him being one of those characters that's just a blast to use.

I find myself really getting hyped at Isaac in Smash lately, as you can see. Just thought you guys might appreciate seeing how much he's wanted even outside his thread.

 

[SonicLink125]

Hmm...insiders may be afraid to admit the Grinch Leak is real because the Nintendo Ninjas are at high alert finding who leaked this.

What a hot mess this is...and I'm enjoying every moment of it. So much better than the Box Theory and the like. I rather take the Grinch Leak than those any day.

Hey guys, posted this in the Geno thread, but felt like I should share it with you all:


I find myself really getting hyped at Isaac in Smash lately, as you can see. Just thought you guys might appreciate seeing how much he's wanted even outside his thread.

Thank you, fellow Genobro! I honestly can't wait to try Geno out as well. As I have stated before, even though Sora is #5 on my most wanted list, I would gladly trade Sora for Geno if given the chance. We've been at this speculation cycle for our boys for far too long and (if the leak is true, 95/5 real), we can finally close this chapter once and for all!

 

[Mav485]

https://twitter.com/gamingintelcom/status/1057142301162520576?s=21

So more on the bandwagon for a Direct of some sort this week.