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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

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How many songs do you think GS would get?

I would be happy with 8
I'd say somewhere between 10-15. Golden sun has a lot of music that's suitable for smash so I think that range is reasonable. I think some songs would be ported from the games, but would expect a good chunk of remixes at the same time
 
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AlliwantisIsaac

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Hm, fair enough. I didn't realize that the claims about Odyssey and Splatoon didn't come from her, though without seeing the original posts, it still sounds a bit odd to me that she'd claim that she'd also heard that. Even if it didn't come from her, she said that it was true, right?

The point about her blog is also fair - I haven't read it, so I don't know all the claims she made, but I do remember people were saying that the Switch would be amazingly powerful. So I'll agree with that part! Again though, I'd still say that her other false claims make me confident in her claims than you seem to be.

I wasn't aware that she's been making less claims, but that they're more accurate - that's interesting! I can understand why you'd be quicker to believe her if that's the case.

(Also, sorry if I sound confrontational or anything in these posts - that's not what I'm going for! I think discussion is good. :) )

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Welcome! I'm not the one behind the support list - @True Blue Warrior is the one running it. But I'm glad to see a new supporter just the same! :)
Yea i goofed. Clicked on the wrong post lol. New around here.
 

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I can't believe people are still finding new details from the leak this many days after it was revealed.

This is from the Reddit thread posted earlier. Someone tweaked the image to make what's underneath the white paper more visible and you can clearly make out another "wristband" and some more circular display designs underneath the white sheet of paper. This is just crazy, who would fake something like this?

 
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So what genre of games intest you? It seems like you have very specific taste.
I'm mostly an RPG fan who spent my early gaming days (first Nintendo console was a GCN) with only a PS2 and Gameboy. Resultantly, I missed out on most of the retro games, so Mach Rider, Banjo, and Geno were before me. Rhythm games don't interest me (I play instruments and would rather fiddle with those). I'm not interested in other fighting games or Sonic games, so Isaac is the only one in this batch who I know and that's because I went back to play his game at some point.

Edit: Phone died... but I feel like my tastes are less "niche" and more "modern." Of these characters, only Ken, CK, and Sonic appeal to people who haven't played retro games (initially), and it's not uncommon to find someone who hasn't played Street Fighter, Sonic, and Rhythm Heaven, as all three are niche in their own ways.
 
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pholtos

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So that's it... Now I see.
People were poking at the left empty background claiming it was less detailed. They were saying this was a major point against it.
But that empty background was for use in the sky circular display, which will have a backlight.

Meanwhile the right image is about a bracelet, and that's where the full zoomed in hard to see image is from.

So in other words, this potentially means a bunch of the points people were making against this are nullified, since they were comparing the sky mural version to the regular mural in terms of looks.

Least this is what I'm getting out of all this.
 

TempestSurge

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What do you think will happen if the leak is fake? Will people hate the leaker for getting our hopes up? Or will people hate Verge for being right about really underwhelming final reveals?
It's not so much if Grinch leak is fake, that means Verge is totally right. He never claimed that the characters he knew were all there is. That was just the community shoehorning the box theory with a side of pessimism. Back in 4, for as much as Gematsu got right, the list still missed some characters.

Also there's things going for both Shadow and Isaac anyways that isn't just going to go away, until their assist trophies debunk them both.
 

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I can't believe people are still finding new details from the leak this many days after it was revealed.

This is from the Reddit thread posted earlier. Someone tweaked the image to make what's underneath the white paper more visible and you can clearly make out another "wristband"and some more circular display designs. This is just crazy, who would fake something like this?
Beat me too it! Yeah this is just sending it over the top with extraneous details. I actually have both the contrasted and the original in two tabs and have switched back and forth between them. Let me try to show it for people in this thread.
original.png
contrasted.jpg

Just spend like 10 seconds cycling between both. This just goes beyond 4D chess. I think a really good marker for something being true is that it starts verifying itself without any extra input from it's source. I actually noticed the extra sky box printouts and mentioned them before. It's part of why this all being a facade is just so ridiculous to me. I agree with the original reddit post too. While we unfortunately don't have the full video, it begs the question that at the very least someone was watching it and this is most certainly not video taken of someone's house. This is two different places or work stations that he's traveling between.
 

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Smash fans really are master detectives. Some of you ought to work in law.
I can imagine this going badly depending on the fan :b

Prosecutor: The witness was murdered by an abandoned Circuit City and-
Them: CIRCUIT CITY IS NOT RELEVANT ANYMORE NERD.
Prosecutor: W-what? I was just telling you where he was sho-
Them: WHAT ARE SALES FIGURES OF THE MURDER WEAPON? HMM?
 

jweb23

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What do you think will happen if the leak is fake? Will people hate the leaker for getting our hopes up? Or will people hate Verge for being right about really underwhelming final reveals?
Or will they (hopefully not do this but still possibly) get mad at the Smash team for not having some or all of these characters after they were told this is a game "for the fans" 3 of them in particular are wanted like crazy and there may be serious backlash from fans who got their hopes up and blame Sakurai and his team because they think they didn't try hard enough to make the "dream roster", that lots of people are starting to expect because of this leak. From all of the content already revealed you know they have not been slacking on thia game. But misplaced hope can make people irrational. And that will put even more stress on the Smash team.
No matter what happens there will always be a loud minority of fans upset with how the character selection turned out. It’s an unavoidable consequence of working in this line of entertainment business.

Personally for me if we didn’t get another newcomer I would completely understand, although I would be disappointed that Isaac got looked over once again. But Smash is getting to the point where it’s hard to imagine getting more put into this game. I had pretty much given up on Isaac until King K Rool’s reveal in August gave me legit hope for Isaac to finally be added which made me rejoin Smashboards. Now this potential leak has gotten me excited but I would advise everyone to take it with a grain of salt because there is no guarantee it’s real. Considering the doom and gloom that struck this thread after the Isabelle reveal, I am worried about the reactions of a handful of us here if that leak ends up being fake.

All I’m saying is for everyone to be emotionally prepared for whatever the outcome of this leak turns out to be.
 

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I'm currently watching Spawn Wave's livestream. They're currently discussing some stuff, and they're gonna get onto the Grinch leak soon. They have a special guest with Liam Roberston. Meanwhile, In Papa Geno's discord he left this exact quote.

"So I havent been as active everywhere today because ive been trying to figure out whats going on with this banner. I talked with my source, heard from several other people who claimed to have some insider knowledge, gathered a lot of consistencies between all that and tried to figure out what seems to be happening behind the scenes with all this. Based on all of the stuff I've been hearing, me and some of the people I spoke with came up with a theory as to whats going on here. i believe we figured it out.

I think it completely explains whats going on with the "insiders" dismissing the banner AND whats happening with incineroar etc... It seems to line up with everything we know. I'm going to make a video about it soon, might not be until tomorrow as I want to do a good job with it. But essentially I believe the banner leak IS real, incineroar is DLC, and I have good explanations for why all of that is and why its confusing so many insiders and stuff. I dont want to say the theory until I make a video and can do a good job explaining it all, I am NOT trying to overhype things here but I am locked in for the banner leak being real." -Papa Genos

Just by keeping my nose stuck to the ground on every single angle at this point I feel like I currently know more about the insider's various stances on the leak, more so than any other one person in the world, save for the inner circles themselves lmao.
 

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Is that the same as one of the pics in the background? I think it matches the grinch cutout at the top.
Ok I brought out the original and I can't exactly tell. I can't tell if the Grinch is facing forwards in one of them, however in the other he is and it bears a striking resemblance to the Boy's Life (name of the magazine) image. The Max (the dog), on the other hand, is almost an exact match with the exception that the bottom part is cut off right below the nose. HOLY S***

Meaning that the Grinch concept art in the leak is almost certainly legitimate. This is the November issue, meaning that there is no way the leaker could have gotten it from the magazine.
 
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Was watching this video that someone posted on gamefaqs and it's even more illuminating. This is basically what I'm talking about when I'm saying that one person doing all this work is just ridiculous. You don't need to know how to speak French, just let the video play and see the kinds of things they show at the plant that they make this stuff at. Something else that rings all five alarm bells in my head is that it looks like they specialize in 3D modeling and mockups for all kinds of advertisements. Basically everything at this place from the very beginning of the video is stuff that they print separately and make a 3D representation of in the end.

Why does this matter? For those that haven't been paying attention, the things being printed out and produced are for hanging cylindrical chandeliers that might be illuminated from the center. They mock up a design that they then print out and set up after they printed out and made all the materials they need. Note that this would take more than one person to create and I highly doubt you would go unnoticed just doing all of this work by yourself to make a fake of this magnitude. Maybe our French speakers can weigh in here if they say anything more in the video that might be interesting?

This leak just gets more and more bulletproof to me. Only a Nintendo Direct can blow this up now.
 

TempestSurge

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No matter what happens there will always be a loud minority of fans upset with how the character selection turned out. It’s an unavoidable consequence of working in this line of entertainment business.

Personally for me if we didn’t get another newcomer I would completely understand, although I would be disappointed that Isaac got looked over once again. But Smash is getting to the point where it’s hard to imagine getting more put into this game. I had pretty much given up on Isaac until King K Rool’s reveal in August gave me legit hope for Isaac to finally be added which made me rejoin Smashboards. Now this potential leak has gotten me excited but I would advise everyone to take it with a grain of salt because there is no guarantee it’s real. Considering the doom and gloom that struck this thread after the Isabelle reveal, I am worried about the reactions of a handful of us here if that leak ends up being fake.

All I’m saying is for everyone to be emotionally prepared for whatever the outcome of this leak turns out to be.
I think the reaction to Isabelle was just the unfortunate circumstance of the direct delay, expecting a character reveal on the levels of what the August direct delivered, and Isabelle's trailer being more tame compared to the previous cgi dedicated trailers of the other newcomers up until then. Also coupled with the delay landing the direct in the same week of Golden Sun's trademark renewal, it ended up hyping up the anticipation for Isaac in that single reveal, more than ever. It was also back in a time where the thread was more pessimistic about Isaac's chances anyways. Wanting this leak real is more so for the ideal scenario of all the big fan favorites getting their characters at once (something that was thought impossible with the box theory) moreso than it is about solely hoping it's real for Isaac's sake.
 

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I don't know... I can't see a good reason for Incineroar to be DLC other than they ran out of dev time. He's not that popular or requested, so he's an odd choice to make people pay for. If he isn't "missed the deadline, so we'll give him to you free," it goes against Sakurai's previous morals about not wasting dev time on DLC pre-release.

That said, there's nothing like a free DLC announcement to change lukewarm reception of a character into hype, because then people will feel like they're being generous with him... though why couldn't they have been with the likes of Elma or Bandana Dee? Incineroar being DLC just doesn't sit right unless he's free... even then, he's kinda an anti-climactic first DLC character.

I can imagine this going badly depending on the fan :b

Prosecutor: The witness was murdered by an abandoned Circuit City and-
Them: CIRCUIT CITY IS NOT RELEVANT ANYMORE NERD.
Prosecutor: W-what? I was just telling you where he was sho-
Them: WHAT ARE SALES FIGURES OF THE MURDER WEAPON? HMM?
This made my night.
 

link3710

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I do question the old viewpoint of "Sakurai wouldn't tease Isaac with the Rathalos screenshot, that's mean and cruel to us" now being "Sakurai and Nintendo lied about Incineroar and faked him to catch leakers. Yay!"

That would be even worse than the Rathalos tweet possibly being a reference to Golden Sun to straight up spread rumors one character is in just to pull the rug out from under the fans of that character. :I

While I agree with you that it sucks, there's two major differences here. First of all, Chrom had a similar position during Smash 4 for leaks, meaning this has precedent, while a direct tease from Sakurai does not. Secondly, literally every leaker on the web that I'm aware of has now weighed in with Inciniroar. Has an internal Nintendo project EVER had a leak with that many people weighing in that it's true? It's obscene how poorly kept of a secret it is, while no one knows anyone else on the roster, what Spirits mode is about, or any other details about the game. That points to it being deliberately distributed.

I don't know... I can't see a good reason for Incineroar to be DLC other than they ran out of dev time. He's not that popular or requested, so he's an odd choice to make people pay for. If he isn't "missed the deadline, so we'll give him to you free," it goes against Sakurai's previous morals about not wasting dev time on DLC pre-release.

That said, there's nothing like a free DLC announcement to change lukewarm reception of a character into hype, because then people will feel like they're being generous with him... though why couldn't they have been with the likes of Elma or Bandana Dee? Incineroar being DLC just doesn't sit right unless he's free... even then, he's kinda an anti-climactic first DLC character.


This made my night.
Actually it doesn't. We first heard about Mewtwo pre-Smash 4 release from leaks of gameplay of him. But Sakurai wasn't able to finish him on time (though he tried), so he became free DLC instead. It's not going against his morals to try and make a character ready for launch and fail, it only would be if they planned from the start for the character to be DLC instead of base roster.
 

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Gamexplain when almost any other leak comes out: Let's make a 2,000 hour discussion on how this speck in the corner of this character's eye confirms Eirika as the fourth DLC character for Project M's story mode.

Gamexplain when this extremely-highly-likely-to-be-real leak comes out: It's fake guys believe us. (while being held at Djinnpoint by the Nintendo Ninjas)

Me: Hmm....
 

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That said, there's nothing like a free DLC announcement to change lukewarm reception of a character into hype, because then people will feel like they're being generous with him... though why couldn't they have been with the likes of Elma or Bandana Dee? Incineroar being DLC just doesn't sit right unless he's free... even then, he's kinda an anti-climactic first DLC character.
Inb4 he's only free if you payed for Nintendo Switch Online, they gave Mewtwo as a free thank you to the people who bought both versions of SSB4.
 
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I'm mostly an RPG fan who spent my early gaming days (first Nintendo console was a GCN) with only a PS2 and Gameboy. Resultantly, I missed out on most of the retro games, so Mach Rider, Banjo, and Geno were before me. Rhythm games don't interest me (I play instruments and would rather fiddle with those). I'm not interested in other fighting games or Sonic games, so Isaac is the only one in this batch who I know and that's because I went back to play his game at some point.
Buddy I'm a musician too and not into rhythm games either but trust me Rhythm Heaven is the drug you need. I remember the first time I played this game I was at a friend's place and bored and he was like "hey come play this game with me there's a 2 player mode". And I thought "omg no I don't want to play his ****ty wario ware like game ...". No offense to wario ware fans it was just my thoughts at the moment heh. But you know how it is, gotta be the good friend sometimes. And I was caught right away. Rhythm heaven is a game you have to actually play to understand the magic. Just looking at it gives you nothing really. It's pure concentrate fun.

Now you've listened to my boring life experience you guys can go back to normal activities :happysheep:
 

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Gamexplain when almost any other leak comes out: Let's make a 2,000 hour discussion on how this speck in the corner of this character's eye confirms Eirika as the fourth DLC character for Project M's story mode.

Gamexplain when this extremely-highly-likely-to-be-real leak comes out: It's fake guys believe us. (while being held at Djinnpoint by the Nintendo Ninjas)

Me: Hmm....
Gamexplain: "Enough about that fake leak we have a new item that appears to be grass! Maybe you eat it?"
 

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Was watching this video that someone posted on gamefaqs and it's even more illuminating. This is basically what I'm talking about when I'm saying that one person doing all this work is just ridiculous. You don't need to know how to speak French, just let the video play and see the kinds of things they show at the plant that they make this stuff at. Something else that rings all five alarm bells in my head is that it looks like they specialize in 3D modeling and mockups for all kinds of advertisements. Basically everything at this place from the very beginning of the video is stuff that they print separately and make a 3D representation of in the end.

Why does this matter? For those that haven't been paying attention, the things being printed out and produced are for hanging cylindrical chandeliers that might be illuminated from the center. They mock up a design that they then print out and set up after they printed out and made all the materials they need. Note that this would take more than one person to create and I highly doubt you would go unnoticed just doing all of this work by yourself to make a fake of this magnitude. Maybe our French speakers can weigh in here if they say anything more in the video that might be interesting?

This leak just gets more and more bulletproof to me. Only a Nintendo Direct can blow this up now.
This is… this is good… Yeah at this point I can't see this leak being fake. It would be the biggest movie script of how a fake leak came to be, despite all what is making it strong at the moment. 4 Days in and the leak just keeps getting more and more evidence of being too ridiculous to just be a fake. Too much effort spent , too much time spent, and even in-office. I will gladly take the L if it still turns fake because damn… no way I can't be fooled by something this good and complex to be fake. ESRB had a lot of red flags and still came true, this has so much going for it in favor, I can't see this being a mastermind conspiracy hoax fake, and if it was, I would NEVER read or watch a leak in my life, this is too much and even money has been spent in such material we're seeing. It's just nuts. I'm staying 90/10 with this leak, hopefully these next 2 weeks will have the final reveals once and for all…
 

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Yea the 3 minutes long Gamexplain video with nothing in it was laughable compared to what they usually deliver. Not to mention the lack of enthusiasm in the tone.
 

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I do have respect for the work the people at Gamexplain do with analyzing trailers and stuff. But when it comes to leaks they really do not show the same amount of effort.
 

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I went over to the Incineroar thread and posted this. As a Pokemon fan myself I was wondering how Incineroar makes sense as DLC and then it hit me. Incineroar might be getting a new form similar to Ash-Greninja! Ash-Greninja was not in the Generation 6 games but was used to hype up Generation 7 and was also finally made available in those games. A potential new form for Incineroar could be used to hype up Generation 8 next year and GameFreak might not want that shown off in Smash yet which makes Incineroar a better option as DLC.

Hey everyone, I'm from the Isaac thread. I'm not sure how you all currently feel about the possible leak. I'm personally 50/50 on it, but as a fellow Pokemon fan I wanted to give you all hope in the off chance that the mural leak turns out to be real. It is possible for Incineroar to be DLC! Let me explain:

As a long time Pokemon and Smash fan since the first games in both franchises, Pokemon has a strange pattern when it comes to which ones are chosen to be playable...the ANIME!

Right now there is only one Pokemon character that ties more towards the game than the anime and that is Pokemon Trainer. However two of the main Pokemon with him were staples of the anime's main protagonist Ash being Squirtle and Charizard, Ivysaur was only picked over Bulbasaur because Sakurai wanted to feature the stages of evolution. Anyways all the others had prominent roles in the anime:

Pikachu - self explanatory
Jigglypuff - used for many comedic moments throughout the anime and is still used today.
Mewtwo - star Pokemon of the first movie
Pichu - star Pokemon of the Pikachu animated short that aired before the second movie. (released a full year before Melee released)
Lucario - star Pokemon of it's own movie, used heavily to promote gen 4
Greninja - personally given to Sakurai before it's game released, happened to be Ash's star Pokemon is Kalos and received its own new form.

Right now in the anime Ash currently has a Torracat which I'm sure you all know is the pre-evolution of Incineroar and it is widely speculated that it will be the star Pokemon on Ash's team. Now some people may be wondering why Incineroar would be DLC for Ultimate if Gen 8 will be dropping next year? Well although the hype will be around Gen 8, the anime will still be in generation 7 that entire year and there is always the possibility of Incineroar getting a new form similar to how Greninja got during the Kalos season. The most interesting thing about that possibility is that Greninja's new form was NOT available in the games until Generation 7's Sun and Moon! It is extremely possible that if Incineroar gets a new form then it would be used to hype up the Gen 8 games and with the new info on the Smash site we know for a fact that Greninja's final smash involves it using the Ash-Greninja form as it states on the Smash Blog post for Greninja.

With all that being said, if Incineroar is going to receive a new form similar to Greninja then I doubt GameFreak would want that to be spoiled before they announce it. So the possibility of Incineroar being DLC is extremely likely as a possible form can be used to hype up Gen 8 just like Ash-Greninja was used as hype for Gen 7.

Again I'm 50/50 on this mural leak but even if it turns out to be real I still believe Incineroar would have a strong legitimate chance at getting in for DLC.
 

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I do have respect for the work the people at Gamexplain do with analyzing trailers and stuff. But when it comes to leaks they really do not show the same amount of effort.
It's probably due to over saturation within the Smash community leak wise. Yeah sure only three games out of five have HAD a speculation scene, but all of them are chaotic s***storms unlike anything else on the internet.

I'm, FYI, 95/5 on this leak being real as that video just makes me wonder at what point does it become too big to fake.
 
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Nazyrus Nazyrus Maybe I can help with this video since I'm french ?

But to be honest I don't think it's really helping. Does this video represent the actual state of the company ? It seams like a quite small one, only 17 ppl working there. Wouldn't Nintendo hire a bigger ? They're specialized in stands like the ones you can see in the beginning of the video. And recently expended to PLV stuff you can turn into furnitures for exemple. He gives the exemple of a chair one.

Edit : He also gives exemples of what kind of companies he usually work with namely : Perfume shops, pharmacy, DIY store. Doesn't mean anything else is excluded though.
 
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Gamexplain when almost any other leak comes out: Let's make a 2,000 hour discussion on how this speck in the corner of this character's eye confirms Eirika as the fourth DLC character for Project M's story mode.

Gamexplain when this extremely-highly-likely-to-be-real leak comes out: It's fake guys believe us. (while being held at Djinnpoint by the Nintendo Ninjas)

Me: Hmm....
It’s like they live in backwards land
 

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Yo guys.
I just came from EGLX (Toronto event), and I played the demo at least 15 times (2 matches per turn and a friend of mine managed to played all 30 characters in the demo heh)

I'm not the most competitive person so I probably won't give good details, but I have to say that the game feels like an AMAZING improvement over smash 4.
Everyone feels so sooo much better to play. I cannot express how amazing it is to play heavy characters that feel like powerhouses without light and medium weights feelings underpowered.

Man this game can't come out soon enough and I'm really hoping Isaac hits his time.
Aaaaagh so good.
 

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Nazyrus Nazyrus Maybe I can help with this video since I'm french ?

But to be honest I don't think it's really helping. Does this video represent the actual state of the company ? It seams like a quite small one, only 17 ppl working there. Wouldn't Nintendo hire a bigger ? They're specialized in stands like the ones you can see in the beginning of the video. And recently expended to PLV stuff you can turn into furnitures for exemple. He gives the exemple of a chair one.

Edit : He also gives exemples of what kind of companies he usually work with namely : Perfume shops, pharmacy, DIY store. Doesn't mean anything else is excluded though.
The more people in the know makes it easier for things to leak. It actually makes more sense to use a smaller company if you want to keep leaks at a minimum. Fewer people are easier to monitor and if something leaks then the possible list of suspects is much smaller.
 

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I've looked through this, and it seems I'm not on the list. I'd like to be added, please!
How many songs do you think GS would get?

I would be happy with 8
I'm thinking we see like 15 or so, but as long as we don't get Final Fantasy'd we'll be fine.
 

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Yo guys.
I just came from EGLX (Toronto event), and I played the demo at least 15 times (2 matches per turn and a friend of mine managed to played all 30 characters in the demo heh)

I'm not the most competitive person so I probably won't give good details, but I have to say that the game feels like an AMAZING improvement over smash 4.
Everyone feels so sooo much better to play. I cannot express how amazing it is to play heavy characters that feel like powerhouses without light and medium weights feelings underpowered.

Man this game can't come out soon enough and I'm really hoping Isaac hits his time.
Aaaaagh so good.
Another reason why we definitely need Isaac in this game !

Back on Gamexplain subject it's like they didn't even try. It's fake ! End of discussion. Usually In these big "pro" youtube channels they don't take to much of a side or criticize stuff too harshly so they don't alienate any potential subscribers / fans. They try to keep it as neutral as possible and raise questions rather than stating on stuff. But for this leak it was "Blurry so fake, bye subscribe and share".
 

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Nazyrus Nazyrus Maybe I can help with this video since I'm french ?

But to be honest I don't think it's really helping. Does this video represent the actual state of the company ? It seams like a quite small one, only 17 ppl working there. Wouldn't Nintendo hire a bigger ? They're specialized in stands like the ones you can see in the beginning of the video. And recently expended to PLV stuff you can turn into furnitures for exemple. He gives the exemple of a chair one.

Edit : He also gives exemples of what kind of companies he usually work with namely : Perfume shops, pharmacy, DIY store. Doesn't mean anything else is excluded though.
Fair enough, I don't really have a great answer to that, but I do have some ideas to see if that could get the ball rolling.

1. Maybe Nintendo outsourced it to such a small, relatively unknown company to safeguard against people trying to get info on the game? It would make sense for a game with the broad, international appeal that Smash Bros has to try to keep as much information as possible under wraps before you want the public to know about it. Using a company few would know about or suspect would certainly prevent information from spreading.

2. A chandelier is indeed a piece of furniture. If I'm understanding you correctly this company does designs with furniture (though my only question is how long have they been doing that but, from what I can tell, there are no dates mentioned in the video whatsoever). Given that the chandelier is what this mural appears to be designed for, it would make sense to outsource the job to a company that could do it, even if it is very small (did they mention 17 employees in the video? or was that from other research?).

3. Even for a small company, they appear to have all the resources and equipment necessary to manufacture something along the lines of the leak. The size is irrelevant when the quality is known to be high. Size does not matter, but quality of company does. If Nintendo believed that this company could get a result that benefited them, it wouldn't matter that this a small, French company that nobody's heard of.

Just a few thoughts on my part.
 

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THE 6r THE 6r Indeed I don't think it hurts the leak per say. Let's not forget that if the info was correct they worked with ubisoft at some point ? Can they build stuff like those huge chandeliers though ? I don't know, everything presented in this video seams rather small stuff but why not ? Also keep in mind we don't know when this video was shot. Let's say it was 5 years ago the company is maybe in a completely different state now and has expended and diversify a lot.

I was curious what this PLV material they're specialized in was, turns out it's cardboard. I don't know guys, I doubt these chandeliers things are made of that :drsad:
 

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New Golden Sun for Switch please if Isaac is in.. Besides Smash, the main reason I got a Switch was to play a new Golden Sun!
 

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Well I just got done watching Spawn Wave's podcast. They talked about a lot of thinks. I'm considering making amendments to my list just based on stuff I heard.

The most notable would be the addition of Direct Feed Games, he was extremely vocally pissed off by the leak and insisted that it was fake. Telling people who believed that it was real to prove it, that it wasn't on him to prove it. Demanding that people who believe it come back and apologize to him and other insiders when it was proven fake. As he was perfectly confident that it was going to be. He did however eventually clarify that if you're team real he doesn't hate you, he just hates the people that got crazy and toxic about it all.

Everyone in the room except player essence seemed pretty confident that it was fake. Liam Robertson commented that he personally thinks that Incinroar and Ken would be insanely underwhelming final reveals, and suggested that perhaps the Square character that has been rumored would be the final reveal. Spawn wave suggested that Ken and Incinroar could open the direct.

They also handed out a direct date, indicating November 1st. Which would actually be right after a quarterly report. So that makes sense I guess. I'm not sure what to think. I feel like I just got yelled at for a couple hours and was unable to relate. bleh.
 

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THE 6r THE 6r Indeed I don't think it hurts the leak per say. Let's not forget that if the info was correct they worked with ubisoft at some point ? Can they build stuff like those huge chandeliers though ? I don't know, everything presented in this video seams rather small stuff but why not ? Also keep in mind we don't know when this video was shot. Let's say it was 5 years ago the company is maybe in a completely different state now and has expended and diversify a lot.

I was curious what this PLV material they're specialized in was, turns out it's cardboard. I don't know guys, I doubt these chandeliers things are made of that :drsad:
The video is from March 30th, 2016. Over 2 years.
 
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