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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday
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At this point I'd take Golden Sun + Rabbids: A Puzzle Game.
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Maybe the overwhelming positive reactions to the two Metroid games will convince Nintendo to revive their dormant franchises. F-Zero, Golden Sun, Advance Wars, maybe even Kid Icarus again.
I think this reaction to Metroid can only help Golden Sun.
I think this reaction to Metroid can only help Golden Sun.
Hopefully, but if this is to be the case, the proof will be in the sales.
Everybody better buy them Metroid games. It might help other dormant series, but even regardless of that it'll just help ensure a future for Metroid without horrible droughts.
Hopefully Metroid will rejoin what Nintendo considers to be 'major IPs' Fire Emblem joined those ranks recently and now we can't go a few months without hearing about a new Fire Emblem which I'm completely cool with. I just hope Metroid, F-Zero, and eventually Golden Sun will see that same success.
I don't think Metroid ever left the b-tier, I just think, like with DK, for a while Nintendo didn't know what to do with it. And because it was a b-tier and not an a-tier, they weren't in a huge rush to figure things out.
And what a huge surprise, in both the cases of DK and Metroid, giving people what they actually asked for resulted in positive reception.
I'm surprised Nintendo and Shin'en haven't partnered on F-Zero yet. It seems the obvious way to go, but it is what it is I guess. If GC/VC eventually is a thing I would expect the GX sales to do pretty well. Hopefully that might help the cause for the series.
As for GS, I do think RPGs have the potential to still do well, even more traditional ones. Look at the Bravely series. And once upon a time, GS did bring in the numbers; something lots of people like to forget. It did as well or better than the average performance of like half the series in Smash. So I believe it does have potential. But it would be a greater investment to Nintendo for a riskier reward than another safe Mario sports venture, so here we are. It would need decent promotion, without it I think it would slip under many radars unfortunately.
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Did anyone seriously expect GS to be announced? Not to sound rude or anything but that's kinda really wishful thinking. Then again Dark Dawn was revealed out of the blue.
However these 2 new Metroid games perform will only have barring on it's own series.
Doubt that's going to help matters really. Not for GS and not for AW.
However these 2 new Metroid games perform will only have barring on it's own series.
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A remake seems a lot easier than a new installment.
I know we want originality, but them redoing Return of Samus & Superstar Saga might result in them doing a low cost update which could help out with interest.
I know we want originality, but them redoing Return of Samus & Superstar Saga might result in them doing a low cost update which could help out with interest.
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Anything is better than nothing. Whatever will keep the game from biting the dust like Advance Wars and F-Zero so far. Honestly I feel like VC numbers should warrant it enough but if a full on remake, and joining of Golden Sun and The Lost Age into one game preferably, is what it takes to spark interest in it once again then absolutely. I'm all for a remake.
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It's not a half-bad idea considering they could merge the first two games as originally intended.
Of course the series Metroid will effect the most is itself, that's not to say it can't resonate elsewhere. Much like Splatoon aided in the chances of Nintendo venturing into new IP, I hope positive reception to Metroid will get them to take a second look at dormant, fan-favourite franchises. Not that GS would be at the top of that list, and AW has its own obstacles until IS learns how it can waifu that series, but if anything, Metroid performing well can only be a good thing for other more "hardcore" franchises.
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The more I think on it, the more I think that the success of Samus Returns and Metroid Prime 4 would be good news for Golden Sun.
Nintendo has no reason to trust in Metroid as a franchise. Other M was a ruinous failure, and Federation Force was dead on arrival (despite being a very fun game, IMO). I mean, Metroid Prime Pinball sold better than Federation Force. The series has been in a slump, and from a business analytics standpoint, I don't know that anyone could really blame them if they decided it was time to retire the franchise.
But, they didn't. Not only that, but they're making two games for it at the same time, before knowing how either will be received.
There's only one real way that business decision makes sense: If they're listening to fans. It's not just a case of "people don't like Metroid anymore", but rather, they heard that there were certain ASPECTS of the failed games that people didn't like.
Just like there are certain aspects of Dark Dawn that fans didn't like, but that doesn't mean they don't want more Golden Sun.
We need to stay a vocal fanbase. We need to show Nintendo that we're still looking to see more of the series. That just because one game had a few flaws, doesn't mean that the series is a failure. Give us more. We're waiting. We're watching. We need to keep calling for Isaac in Smash. Every time there's a poll or a request by Nintendo, we need to say we want more. We need to make sure Nintendo sees that another game can still succeed.
Nintendo has no reason to trust in Metroid as a franchise. Other M was a ruinous failure, and Federation Force was dead on arrival (despite being a very fun game, IMO). I mean, Metroid Prime Pinball sold better than Federation Force. The series has been in a slump, and from a business analytics standpoint, I don't know that anyone could really blame them if they decided it was time to retire the franchise.
But, they didn't. Not only that, but they're making two games for it at the same time, before knowing how either will be received.
There's only one real way that business decision makes sense: If they're listening to fans. It's not just a case of "people don't like Metroid anymore", but rather, they heard that there were certain ASPECTS of the failed games that people didn't like.
Just like there are certain aspects of Dark Dawn that fans didn't like, but that doesn't mean they don't want more Golden Sun.
We need to stay a vocal fanbase. We need to show Nintendo that we're still looking to see more of the series. That just because one game had a few flaws, doesn't mean that the series is a failure. Give us more. We're waiting. We're watching. We need to keep calling for Isaac in Smash. Every time there's a poll or a request by Nintendo, we need to say we want more. We need to make sure Nintendo sees that another game can still succeed.
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Agreed. We should really stop acting like Metroid was ever in a comparable situation to Golden Sun. Metroid is a long-running Nintendo series that has been around since the NES. It hasn't seen an entry on every single system that Nintendo has released, but it is still relatively a staple. I doubt Nintendo will ever give up so easily on Metroid.
Federation Forces was a spin-off, and I sincerely doubt that Nintendo would have abandoned the series because that title didn't sell so well. It's like saying that Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival not having sold well means that the Animal Crossing series is in a questionable position. Hint: It's not.
Golden Sun has seen no spin-offs, so its last title was a mainline Golden Sun game. Golden Sun does not have the legacy of Metroid, as it's only been running since the GBA. With the last mainline title not selling so well, Golden Sun *is* in questionable territory.
I keep hoping we'll see some attempt at bringing it back. A 3DS remake of the original could have been something they could have revealed at this E3. It would have been prime time - the 3DS is in that stage where it has sold very well and a lot of people have one. But sadly that didn't occur. I don't know if there's much hope anymore.
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Metroid Prime is the best selling game in the franchise, just beating out the original Metroid at about 2.75 million copies, while Fusion racked in about 1.6 million. Prime 2 got less than half as many sales as its predecessor. Prime 3 hit about 1.6 million. Zero Mission, regarded by some fans as "the best 2D Metroid ever", and the game that provided the engine for the "smash hit" AM2R, only hit 0.8 million. Hunters dropped even lower, down to 0.7 million. Other M was actually a resurgence for the series overall, but still a massive drop for 3D titles, down to 1.1 million. And then came Federation Force. 0.1 million copies, the worst seller in the series, even lower than Prime Pinball.
For all the praise, all the attention that this series got, it doesn't sell that well, historically. And the recent games have been in a constant decline that can quite fairly be called a "death spiral".
You're right, Golden Sun doesn't have Metroid's duration. 1.76, 1.22, and .79 million for each game. Metroid comes back after a hiatus of 7 years following a game that sold 1.1 million (Other M), and hits a total of 0.1 million with its next game (Federation Force). Golden Sun comes back after a hiatus of 8 years following a game that sold 1.22 million (Lost Age), and hits a total of 0.79 million with its next game (Dark Dawn).
Metroid has a longer series history, especially on home consoles, and lacks some of Metroid's visibility because of that. But it also has lower overall development costs (especially compared to the highest sellers in the Metroid franchise), and better sales history when looking at the recent games.
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Yeah, that's my take on it as well. Metroid can go through long droughts like the one it just had and still be fine. Because it's a series Nintendo values and cherishes. F-Zero is also in that boat believe it or not evident with MK8 DLC and Smash visibillity. As with Star Fox.
Golden Sun and Wars are unfortunately not involved in that category. Less so Golden Sun because at least Wars has it's history as one of Niny's oldest franchises. Both can never seem to catch a break when it comes to getting any Smash representation and their series are dead for different reasons. One is dead because of waifu's and the other because it had one game that didn't sell all that great relative to it's predecessors. Not to mention that their seems to be little hope for either to get a new entry.
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Golden sun is one of my favorite RPG franchises of all time and although its been about seven years since the last installment , i'd love to see Isaac represent the series in smash. I just hope nintendo puts some thought into his moveset so Isaac doesn't become just another sword character.
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Another point that may make Nintendo take more "risks" is the Switch success so far -which i hope the console maintains- but the 3DS already is perfect too for games like Golden Sun, Advance Wars, etc. and while the console is still living, we're are rather late on its life cycle, and i hope this doesn't hurt any of these games if they ever decide to make them of course, seriously the 3DS should have these games not in the future but yesterday!
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Horrible droughts seem the standard for pretty much every Nintendo franchise at the moment. Except for of course the big money makers; Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, and as of late Fire Emblem. Kirby also doesn't seem to dry up any time soon, which is good.
Don't quite see the relation between Metroid and Golden Sun here honestly. Metroid has long been hailed as one of the best gaming franchises, it only got unfortunate with Federation Force, which still ensured the continuation of the franchise, and Metroid Other M, which they still seemed to take heavy inspiration from for Metroid 2 3DS. So Metroid was never as dormant as it seemed. I say the franchise is in a far better spot currently than Donkey Kong Country. Metroid has multiple well talented studios able to do the franchise justice. Golden Sun for example, only has Camelot, who's also doing Mario. And not just Mario, the most famous spin-offs aside from Kart, Golf and Tennis. So by logic, comparing the two will lead to enourmous dissapointment on our part.
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You freak out about DKC way too much. It's had a new game on all the latest home consoles, has a port on the 3DS, and always crossed at least 1mm in sales. The series is fine, it's not being overexposed like the other ones you mentioned.
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the last time they announced 2 Metroid games at once one went on to be the best selling game in the series.
I say the chances are good.
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Personally I don't really care about Metroid that much. I was never interested in that franchise.
That being said of course it's hard to make a correlation between Metroid and GS for the reasons I mentioned before. Saying that one would improve the chances of the other happening is reaching IMO.
That being said of course it's hard to make a correlation between Metroid and GS for the reasons I mentioned before. Saying that one would improve the chances of the other happening is reaching IMO.
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I hate Golden Sun, but I'll always support the Golden Boy.
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In a way a remastered version of Golden Sun and Golden Sun: The Lost Age packaged together might be the best case scenario for the future. It may be more likely than a brand new Golden Sun (especially when Nintendo seem to be all about remastered versions these days) and it would also keep the focus on Isaac as the main protagonist.
I mean if we get a new Golden Sun the protagonist will probably be Matthew and I feel like that would start muddying things up for Isaac.
I mean if we get a new Golden Sun the protagonist will probably be Matthew and I feel like that would start muddying things up for Isaac.
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Is there any particular reason why you hate Golden Sun? Not begrudging you or anything of course.
TBH, I feel that GS4 is more likely to have a new main protagonist other than Matthew.
And I feel that Isaac is pretty much Golden Sun's "Marth" so even if he isn't the main character of GS4 he should be included for being the face of the series.
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Yeah but would Marth have been included as a playable character if Smash Bros Wii U/3DS was the first time we were getting a playable Fire Emblem character? Awakening and Birthright/Conquest would have been more relevant games to pick a character from.
Even if Marth was the first, would it have made a difference?
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Oh yeah, I know. I'm just saying that if there was a GS4 it would have a new protag. I don't see GS4 happening anytime soon unfortunately.
Well Sakurai could have opted for so many different lords in Melee instead of Marth like Sigurd, Leif, or even Alm but he chose Marth for being the first one.
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I'm imagining a Nintendo direct later this year (or next year) with footage of Metroid Prime 4, a Golden Sun remastered version, confirmation of Golden Sun 4 and an announcement of a new Donkey Kong game with King K Rool as the main villain.
and it's beautiful.
It's like a relevancy conga line.
and it's beautiful.
It's like a relevancy conga line.
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Where's the part where you wake up from your dream?
Just kidding of course though I doubt GS is on the horizon. We would be lucky to get just one GS. Very lucky at that since the creators of the game stated that a lot of fan demand is needed for GS4. I wonder if the demand is sufficient enough for that to happen.
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I got the Nintendo Power guide today in the mail for The Lost Age. Mainly for all the artwork not featured in the Prima guide.
Lord, I'd love that shirt Nintendo Power offered.
Lord, I'd love that shirt Nintendo Power offered.
Shame on my guys but I only played GS3 till now. Anyway once again I'll support GS for Smash and I don't really care if it's Isaac or Matthew that gets in. GS is one of the major still unrepresented ips and a damn good one too. Lets hope we get our golden boy in the fifth entry and finally GS4 on Switch instead of another Mario Tennis/Golf crap ^^
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If they ever changed the Golden Sun battle formula, I would absolutely love to see something similar to Final Fantasy XV. An open-world adventure without random battles. That's why I tweeted to Monolith about Golden Sun--because I thought they would do that remarkably well. Though, one can only wish.
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[Shrugs] Just a random idea that popped in mine head. That said, frankly the current formula is fine how it is; it just needs some expanding upon.
At any rate, Monolith has also created turn-based RPG's (Xenosaga, Baten Kaitos), so once again, they could probably make a really good Golden Sun game.
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Sorry. I just hate it when traditional TRPG's go ARPG. Like the FF7 remaster. I don't want the same thing to happen to Golden Sun and for it to lose it's gameplay it's known for.
I doubt Monlith cares that much about GS anyways. With that being said it would be great if they made a new GS game if somehow demand for GS4 see's an increase.
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Or, hell, look at Final Fantasy XV. An open-world, action-based, driving game with a plot that was universally despised. And now they're adding multiplayer to it.
Sure, it hits more mainstream popularity, and gets more sales. So what? It's not Final Fantasy anymore.
Ask the Pikmin fans or Chibi Robo fans or Paper Mario fans how much you can change a franchise before it stops being the same anymore. Maybe the new direction is more popular. But if that popularity comes at the soul of what made the game what it was, then to hell with it.
Turn based RPGs are rare enough as it is (despite still being fantastic, as games like Bravely Default and Persona 5 show).
I'd rather the series just die than it stop being Golden Sun.