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Well I mean the poll has over 1,200 that's actually a pretty good size and many statisticians wish they could get comparable numbers for their own endeavors.
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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday
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I’m happy we get to all the stages.
I mean, imagine having to unlock 60+ characters and 70+ stages, it would be a nightmare.
Yeah I guess. Our crazy roster size definitely makes up for it
not that all hope is lost yet, or even close, but p. sure that's a single player stage.
I've gone back and forth on the Monster Hunter thing, but it does seem like that's a special boss fight stage. The landscape is completely flat and unobscured by obstacles or places to fall, and, more importantly, they only ever show a single character on the stage at a time.
However I will say relegating the MH location just to whatever context the boss battles show up in seems wasteful. Dracula's Castle is pulling double duty, MH should too.
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That's possible HOWEVER if you look at the Dracula boss fight, that Castlevania stage has a completely different layout to the normal stage. The boss fight stage has walk offs and you can't fall off at all but you can fall of the stage shown on the website. It's possible that Master Hunter stage shown is the boss version but has a different layout for the regular multiplayer.
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It'd make sense if Yellow Devil and Metal Face was a boss too, if that happens then there being a normal Monster Hunter stage is a higher possibility imo.
Also one thing I noticed that I don't think others have mentioned is that in that part of the direct they never actually specifically say "stage boss", just "boss", so yes it's probably just adventure mode related.
Also one thing I noticed that I don't think others have mentioned is that in that part of the direct they never actually specifically say "stage boss", just "boss", so yes it's probably just adventure mode related.
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Except we already know Rathalos is an assist trophy. So it also making an appearance as a stage boss seem very unlikely. (since Yellow Devil and Metal Face aren't assist trophies)
I suppose you could have two Rathalos on a stage (I'm assuming they're part of a species?) but I don't know if that's likely.
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Fwiw we've got two Palkia running around now, and that doesn't make any sense.
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People conflate notability with recency, rather than looking at general impact, all whilst deluding themselves into thinking the only audience that matters are little kids and that anything that has a recent successful game is automatically going to be more appealing than characters with a lack of recent appearance. Despite the average age of a Nintendo gamer being 31 years old according to a 2014 ESA study as well as Switch owners being overwhelmingly in in their 20s/30s, people genuinely thought a character like K. Rool would be "too obscure" to be popular among the silent majority just because he hasn't had a recent game appearance (even ignoring the fact that the games featuring him gets re-released for recent consoles, most recent example being DKC which was part of the +5 million selling SNES mini). People let Smash's agenda dictate their opinion of what is and what isn't "worthy" or "important"
At any rate, people grossly exaggerate how much recency actually factors into potential appeal, especially since practically all the Nintendo characters who are insanely iconic enough to be appealing based purely off recognition are already in at this point since the Inklings were confirmed. Even disregarding their huge impact on their respective franchises, characters like K. Rool and Ridley were naturally going to have a huge appeal within Smash even if they weren't all that well-known in the grand scale of things just because of how much they would feel like a fresh breath of air, even disregarding their established support and how well-received they are within their series fanbase. In contrast, despite being from a recent game that sold much better than any recent Metroid game, a character like, say, Rex wouldn't have the same type of potential appeal that K. Rool and Ridley has mainly because regardless of how different he would be from Shulk, he wouldn't be perceived to be as a particularly diverse, hype or interesting just because of his visual similarities to Shulk.
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I took two screenshots of the Dracula's Castle stage to show what I'm talking about. The regular stage is completely different from the boss battle stage where you fight Dracula! Also notice the boss fight stage has the exact same walk off layout as the Monster Hunter stage during the Rathalos fight. I'm pretty sure there will be a regular Monster Hunter stage in multiplayer, so I don't think there is any reason to worry about the current stage count.
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Oh yeah, that's true. I remember my go to method of ordering my party in the past was the fastest one on the left, slowest on the right. I just hadn't bothered messing with party order yet cause I had three people up til now.
I don't believe I have stated this, but I am certainly a supporter for Isacc for this game. It is a shame he was an assist trophy back in Brawl, missing in 4 and who knows for now.
Anyway, per the discussion of stages, I would not lose hope yet. We all know that there will be new fighters announced for Smash and not just echoes of the same series. On the stage select screen, there is still space for 6 stages. Not saying those will be filled, but there is room at least.
Anyway, per the discussion of stages, I would not lose hope yet. We all know that there will be new fighters announced for Smash and not just echoes of the same series. On the stage select screen, there is still space for 6 stages. Not saying those will be filled, but there is room at least.
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XenoWarriorX
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You know, if seen the argument that "if a game is popular icon and has relevancy" than they have a better chance of getting into smash than an "irrelevant character" Which...perplexes me.
I'll say this, I was quite dumb for my intital reasons for why I hated steve in Smash Bros. And I did say a bunch of dumb crap.
But I do have an understanding why I wouldn't be hyped for a character like that.
He's just...way too predictable of a choice. Cloud is one thing. Steve...is another thing.
And yeah, his games are super popular, and yes, he is an icon of gaming. However, I'm pretty sure the majority of the Switch audience would rather pick someone else.
Like Banjo Kazooie or something.
Someone said that Banjo would be a boring choice...but wouldn't Steve be a boring choice since he's so prevalent on just about everything? At least with characters like Geno, and Banjo, them getting the spotlight in Smash would brighten their chances of being relavent again.
There' are a sense of excitement when there's a character you haven't seen, or a character that's under the radar get featured in Smash.
And that's my opinion of course.
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Well, it'd be kinda boring to go by what's most recent all the time anyway, especially considering what Smash could encompass with itself like it did in Brawl - I mean if we just got only Elma, Gen 7 Rep or similar like Sm4sh's repertoire of recency-based reps, I think Ultimate would have been much less exciting to follow. I just hope we get as many big fanbases fulfilled along with flowing together what'd make a great Smash-additions in the whole fanbase:
Now don't think me wrong, I'm not expecting we'd get anything close to this, what with limited newcomers and all - but I do hope on any resemblance or bits of a "golden ending".
I definitely will be disappointed on that end, hahah.
Pretty much. I think this sorta was the clashing aspect within speculation era of Smash 4, especially over time as we received some of the newcomers, and why some people feel Ultimate is making 4's selection of characters so far look pretty kind of... "bland" in comparison (especially if you take 3rd parties out).
Might be since a lot of the characters' appeal in 4 wasn't as huge or recognizable like the more requested and popular kind pre-Sm4sh or even Uprising (sans Little Mac or Rosalina, probably) - theirs just increased ten-fold after they were introduced to Smash 4, and people hopped on to them since, citing how their "uniqueness" proved how just little popularity or other fanbase-related factors mattered - and why we should expect this to be the standard for next games.
Since then we'd be to expect either "relevant" characters from already repped series or new ones with unique gimmicks on them to really sell them further than, just wishing to play as some of your fave N-character in next Smash-installments.
It's especially humorous because a lot of these unique additions were discovered held back by their gimmicks - though exceptions also exists like Rosa or Villager, but I think they were build at least strong or conventional enough to work on their own. Ultimate at least seems to keep characters more conventionally built as we had hoped, which I believe will make them more solid and more well-aging additions to what we had in 4 - gladly the characters there are getting tweaked to be better.
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I feel the same, I will not feel at ease until I see a reveal with character that uses Psynergy to battle from Golden Sun!
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Though one point against that is that it's CLEARLY a Boss Stage, with NOWHERE to Fall off of, and is probably exclusive to the Elusive Mysterious Spirits Mode
Tetiro
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I thought we already proved that the 103 stages thing was stated in Present tense rather than Past tense? It was clear they were not done with stages yet.
Sabrewulf238
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What was the quote from Sakurai saying that he didn't start working on dlc until he had finished with the base game?
Something I was thinking about with the possibility of those six slots being for dlc, wouldn't that mean Sakurai has already planned out dlc in some capacity?
I also read in the Shantae thread that a 13x8 grid would have been enough to portray the current amount of stages in a square.
Something I was thinking about with the possibility of those six slots being for dlc, wouldn't that mean Sakurai has already planned out dlc in some capacity?
I also read in the Shantae thread that a 13x8 grid would have been enough to portray the current amount of stages in a square.
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Flynn.Scifo
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Exactly my thoughts about the MH boss stage, it could definitely have another version like Dracula's castle. Makes sens and could imply a possible Monster hunter rep. We have 2 plakias, rathalos and moons (great bay + assist).
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DLC usually has a seperate catgory in "Other".
That's because they want to plan ahead for a lot of stages, just in case.
Those 6 slots don't make sense for DLC, because you would need to HOPE that all the DLC stages you would make are 6.
No, those 6 slots are for more stages. I'm sure if it.
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Duck Hunt was only missing a stage on 3DS. The Duck Hunt stage was on Wii U.
In any case, I posted this in the wrong thread earlier:
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And even then he got the stage as DLC for the 3DS for free.
It strengthens the point that these days, EVERY new series gets a stage
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Even though guys, even in the case we only have like 3 newcomers left don't tell me none of them will get a stage.
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If they don't, they'll be DLC (maybe free DLC). It could be that 103 is just the amount they have completed as of now, and they're still working on more that aren't quite done yet.
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Did you skip past my other post? It shows that Dracula's Castle has a Boss Version which makes it very likely the Monster Hunter Boss stage also has a normal multiplayer version. I highly doubt Sakurai adds Monster Hunter to Smash without giving it a normal stage since he would have to make a Boss stage. Anyways, I put my post with the screenshots showing the differences below.
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Isn't that when they showed a sizzle reel of different stages like Garden of Hope and Brinstar Depths?
Because they didn't show off all the stages at that point, other stages such as Hanenbow or Mushroom Kingdom U were informally revealed just through the stage select screen and then on the official website afterwards.
In which case it would be true that he was only introducing "some" of the stages they hadn't already introduced.
I don't know if it's worth saying since of course they would promote new stages, but the fact that they're displaying new stages prominently on this page (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/stage/index.html) makes me hopeful that they have some more new stages to promote.
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Hey, guys, what's go-
I know because he's nowhere near topping my poll results.
My poll is in my Sig, if anyone is unaware of it.
...okay then.
Don't worry, it seems like the Waluigi hype train has simmered down now.
I know because he's nowhere near topping my poll results.
My poll is in my Sig, if anyone is unaware of it.
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I hope we get Isaac this time. Here in latin america we really love Golden Sun, in every facebook group I'm in there's a lot of Isaac request, so I dare to believe Isaac did pretty well in the ballot around the world.
Smash bros. is one of my favorite franquise besides Golden Sun, Pokémon and Xenoblade Chronicles. If Isaac gets in it would be a dream come true AND THE BEST SMASH BROS EVEEEER!
Smash bros. is one of my favorite franquise besides Golden Sun, Pokémon and Xenoblade Chronicles. If Isaac gets in it would be a dream come true AND THE BEST SMASH BROS EVEEEER!
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I remember discussing in the Rool thread that “relevancy” was one of those things the fanbase cared for a lot more than the developers, and I defended that it was not a point against K.Rool. True enough, unlike say Duck Hunt, his trailer makes no reference to him being old and outdated. What’s more, in the recent Famitsu column by Sakurai, the only negative he mentions is that K.Rool is very big and had to be slightly downsized. That’s all. No reference whatsoever to K.Rool being “irrelevant”. It is entirely possible Sakurai simply wasn’t aware of his popularity. I can see something similar with Isaac. The only people arguing for relevancy are those who have nothing better to say.
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After reading Sakurai's quote, wouldn't it feel strange to anybody else if there were suddenly a special exception like a Gen 7 Pokemon chosen for their relevancy and not their popularity? What he said obviously doesn't guarantee all ballot, but since he flat out mentioned it as his source for the roster, it would now just feel jarring to have a Pokemon or Elma in the midst of all this hype Sakurai is clearly wanting us to ride.
I feel like he's full stop committed to this. If he had kept referring to general popularity and not discussing it further, maybe it could just be passed off as something he kept in mind for the majority of his picks, but now that he flat out name-dropped it, that quote suddenly carries so much more meaning to me. It's not something he could just throw out there loosely even if we all suspected it.
It gets my hopes up further for Isaac. At this point, I feel like the only thing that would stop him is if there wasn't enough time to get to him because of fierce competition and resources being devoted to a relevant character or two. If every newcomer comes from this ballot, though? Then it's genuinely hard to imagine him not being in there with the polls showing that his fanbase is no slouch.
I'm not going to say he's a sure thing, but we clearly have reason to persevere and keep ourselves vocal with hope. The small bits and pieces of evidence we have to go off points to the Golden Boy having a real fighting chance, and that's a lot better than what most characters have right now.
It's still a black night, but there's a little bit of sunlight starting to peek over the horizon.
I feel like he's full stop committed to this. If he had kept referring to general popularity and not discussing it further, maybe it could just be passed off as something he kept in mind for the majority of his picks, but now that he flat out name-dropped it, that quote suddenly carries so much more meaning to me. It's not something he could just throw out there loosely even if we all suspected it.
It gets my hopes up further for Isaac. At this point, I feel like the only thing that would stop him is if there wasn't enough time to get to him because of fierce competition and resources being devoted to a relevant character or two. If every newcomer comes from this ballot, though? Then it's genuinely hard to imagine him not being in there with the polls showing that his fanbase is no slouch.
I'm not going to say he's a sure thing, but we clearly have reason to persevere and keep ourselves vocal with hope. The small bits and pieces of evidence we have to go off points to the Golden Boy having a real fighting chance, and that's a lot better than what most characters have right now.
It's still a black night, but there's a little bit of sunlight starting to peek over the horizon.
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Basically, Isaac can count on most of Europe and Latin America for support, even if he can't strictly count on the USA, the UK or Japan.
Speaking of Latin American support, doesn't Latin America really love Digimon? It's something I've always heard, I was wondering if Agumon would be the "Latin American pick",
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I mean, i think US did help him a lot, didnt it?
I think here the usa, a lot of people my age remember golden sun. So there is a chance that US helped a lot more than the UK and JP.
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Sabrewulf238
Smash Hero
I brought up a point a while back about Sakurai saying in the last direct that he plans to reveal the designs of every new character before release. Which I thought was interesting wording. I think it's possible there's another angle to this that we're not seeing.
Like he might decide to reveal the models of every character he plans to add as dlc in November. (similar to his reveal for Mewtwo)
I don't think it would be that surprising. I think Pokemon is the most likely franchise to get an exception.
Especially considering that there are usually numerous popular candidates for Pokemon reps, so it's quite possible that none of them ended up reaching a high enough total in the ballot to be seriously considered, because the people voting for Pokemon reps were split supporting different Pokemon.
StormC
Smash Hero
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This news about the ballot is extremely encouraging but I do think we might still get a gen 7 Pokemon mixed in. Pokemon is just freaking huge, it makes more money than Star Wars as an IP. It's in TPC's best interest to aggressively persuade Sakurai to add one in.
KMDP
Smash Legend
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Well, US and UK still remember Golden Sun if they played it on the GBA; what I meant was that the EU and Latin America seem to be the big GS cultures.
I had Golden Sun when it came out, and I remember at least one of my friends having it.
But I live on a tiny island between England and France, I'm never going to be the font of knowledge when it comes to "what England wants".
Tetiro
Smash Ace
I would welcome a gen 7 Pokemon. I personally want Decidueye just because an Archer fighter is uncommon in Smash Bros and would be fun to play as