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Summer of Smash, Week 4: CEO 2017, Sumabato 18

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Nu~ said:
Sooner or later we're gonna have to talk about "The Duck Hunt Question" lol

Raito keeps getting phenomenal wins with a supposed "low tier"?:dizzy:
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Duck hunt is in the upper portion of the lower mid tier so I guess he's not too underrated. I could see him lingering around bottom of the upper tier by the next list.
 
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And now Raito is up 2-0 on Dabuz..

EDIT and Dabuz reverse 3-0 for the win.. but still an amazing perfrormance from Raito taking it to last stock.
 
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Raito shouldve played more aggressively. The match up isnt that bad if you learn to pick and choose when to go in. Every time they play, Raito plays so well game 1 and 2 and then plays scared/defensively come game 3. You can see this in his set with Elegant too when he just sat back and shot things in a corner as Elegant powershielded his way in.

Might be something to work on in the future if he has an exhaustion problem or nerves or whatever
 
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Ok..someone please remind me again why so many people think ZSS is just so overrated and not in top tier?
 
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ARGHETH said:
...or we don't determine mus based on single sets?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Leo so far the only :4marth: that has been able to beat Larry? I don't know if Mr.E has fought Larry in the past but for example in New England, Pugwest almost never defeats Light.
 
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Ziodyne 21 said:
Ok..someone please remind me again why so many people think ZSS is just so overrated and not in top tier?
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Nu~ said:
Ppl really wanna believe ZSS is honest.

Lol ok
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Not going to go into details here but honest is definitely not something I'd use to describe ZSS. Ever.

She does have a few notable weaknesses (few moves that safely hit a target in a low crouch, light weight, general susceptibility to short characters with strong short hop games), but her mobility, conversion combos, and a handful of really ridiculous buttons will always keep her relevant (and impossible to count out of a set until she's lost).
 
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Ziodyne 21 said:
Ok..someone please remind me again why so many people think ZSS is just so overrated and not in top tier?
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Nu~ said:
Ppl really wanna believe ZSS is honest.

Lol ok
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I'm not watching the tournaments this weekend. What set (s) are you guys referring to? (trying to switch mains to ZSS and wanna research)

Edit: I'll review the Ryu sets and give my thoughts in the Competitive Impressions thread at a later time
 
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Heracr055 said:
I'm not watching the tournaments this weekend. What set (s) are you guys referring to? (trying to switch mains to ZSS and wanna research)
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Marss and Nairo are both in top 8. Nauei actually hasn't dropped a gane yet and 3-0d both captain Zack and Salem.
 
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Top 8


Winners:
KEN :4sonic: vs ZeRo :4diddy:
Larry Lurr :4fox: vs Nairo :4zss:


Losers:
CaptainZack :4bayonetta: vs Marss :4zss:
Salem :4bayonetta: vs MKLeo :4cloud::4marth:


Great tournament showings for ZSS, Bayo and Sonic.
 
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Did you see during game 3 of Salem vs MVD where Salem Witch timed Diddy's barrel pack and it somehow negated the explosion? Weird little quirk
 
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NotLiquid said:
Top 8

Winners:
KEN :4sonic: vs ZeRo :4diddy:
Larry Lurr :4fox: vs Nairo :4zss:

Losers:
CaptainZack :4bayonetta: vs Marss :4zss:
Salem :4bayonetta: vs MKLeo :4cloud::4marth:

Great tournament showings for ZSS, Bayo and Sonic.
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But a pretty poor one for Sheik, Ryu and Mario (Partially due to Ally DQ'ing himself)
 
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Ziodyne 21 said:
But a pretty poor one for Sheik, Ryu and Mario (Partially due to Ally DQ'ing himself)
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but also partially due to ANTi losing early on and then being eliminated.

Also not the best of days for cloud since Tweek and Komo got iirc 33rd or lower. But Leo's in top 8, so it's not as bad as it could be.
 
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Ark of Silence101 Ark of Silence101 Mr. E fought Larry at Civil War and got 3-0'd. So yeah, Leo is the only Marth that has been able to beat Larry.

Afterwards, Mr. E Tweeted out that he wants to pick up Cloud for Fox.
 
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Illusion. said:
Ark of Silence101 Ark of Silence101 Mr. E fought Larry at Civil War and got 3-0'd. So yeah, Leo is the only Marth that has been able to beat Larry.

Afterwards, Mr. E Tweeted out that he wants to pick up Cloud for Fox.
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He actually tried to use him for ZD there at CEO. I still find it impressive that you reverse 3-0d Texas's top :4fox: with a character that is still considered low tier, despite his recent results showing otherwise.
 
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NotLiquid said:
Top 8


Winners:
KEN :4sonic: vs ZeRo :4diddy:
Larry Lurr :4fox: vs Nairo :4zss:


Losers:
CaptainZack :4bayonetta: vs Marss :4zss:
Salem :4bayonetta: vs MKLeo :4cloud::4marth:


Great tournament showings for ZSS, Bayo and Sonic.
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The thought of zack getting a top 8 entrance is too much for me to handle
 
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Masashi :4cloud:2-0 Kuro :4pit:
Compact :4mewtwo:2-1 Fuwa :4marth:
Tamiflu :4rob: 2-0 Ri-Ma :4tlink:
Edge :4diddy:2-1 Songn :4gaw:

Small update:
Kuro :4pit:2-1 Fuwa :4marth:
Masashi :4cloud:2-0 9B :4bayonetta:
Compact :4mewtwo:2-0 Earth :4pit:/:4corrinf:(not sure who he actually went)
Uto :4kirby:2-1 Ri-Ma :4tlink:
 
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Fuwa got like 97th, lost to Compact in R1 and immediately after she faced Kuro. Her losses weren't bad but that's an unfortunate seeding for her. Just commenting because she's one of my favorite players.
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ぱみゅ said:
He worked hard and broke his bad streak only to get a chance on the spotlight. Gotta admire that.
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CEO top 8 was custom made for him

I've been waiting on this moment since he really made himself known. If anyone deserves to walk down that catwalk it's him
 
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I ended up waking up at 5 this morning so I forced myself to stay awake the two hours just to see Zack's entrance

so, so worth it
 
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Captian Zack :4bayonetta:3-0 Marss :4zss:

Zack had Marss's number the entire set. I lost count of how many times Zack fell out of ZSS's boost kick..or that it failed to kill when Bayo was definetly at kill %


Zack must of had some godlike DI or something
 
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