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Ehh... polite disagreement. I think he works best as he is as a light and speedy glass cannon.
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Past his peak? Sure, if we just ignore that he was heavily featured in Gen 6 having two Mega Evolution, same as Mewtwo, and was actually a starter Pokemon in the game, same as Greninja. It is not as though Charizard's popularity just petered off over time, otherwise, the same would apply to Mewtwo. He basically carried Trainer, Squirtle and Ivysaur in Brawl and that was definitely his lowest point. You are crazy, fam. Charizard is not going anywhere. I doubt Puff is either; however, that has more to do with how easy she is to develop for. Mewtwo, on the other hand, it is a coin toss. Will they make us pay for him again... Yes or no. Given that he was cut three times, pretty safe to argue that he might not be a part of the base roster.Mewtwo's cut from Brawl was the biggest stand out to me. I figured the backlash was big enough he'd return in 4, but he had to wait till DLC in the end. I'm not sure what they'll do with him, but I'm thinking he was saved as the big return reveal DLC cause they do intend to keep him with his popularity.
Personally I think the priority should be
Pikachu us the mascot, Mewtwo is the first "evil" pokemon final boss, Greninja was the modern success that even got a new form inspired by his role in the anime, and the other three are a mixed group. Lucario is a fading middle of the Gens successful and popular pokemon that stood out enough to hang around into other Generations, Charizard was hugely popular back in the day but was added past his peak of fame, and Jigglypuff has her 4x vet status but aged the most of all to be less popular and less relevant.
Mewtwo also had movies centered around him, which Charizard did not. I feel Charizard making it into Smash 4 was more as a consolation prize for the Trainer being cut than anything else. Squirtle was another light weight and Ivysaur was the least popular of the three and the awkward middle stage most people don't care about. Charizard's popularity has decreased over time as it's natural given his age. It's still good, but it is lower and the two Mega Evolutions didn't save him in the Pokemon Competitive scene either. In Smash, he doesn't seem extremely popular with many people having him on their "cut list" for 4 before it came out cause many hated how PT worked.
Those are fighting words. :oI feel that if any pokemon gets cut it will be
It decreased by a fairly negligible extent relative to other Pokemon. He was used competitively for quite awhile with his Y form, not sure what you were watching. Not that it even matters, to be honest, but that is just inaccurate. No, no, no. Charizard was not on the cut list here on Smashboards, Pokemon Trainer was. And even then, most people ignored that he would likely be cut. I was one of the ONLY people to point it out and I had dozens of people argue with me. Anyone that conceded agreed that Charizard would remain.
That is true, but that same logic also applies to any newer Pokemon along the way. All 3rd Generaton Pokemon have loss popularity, but there are still some that were notable success stories like Blaziken and the Treecko line. Charizard was a successful Pokemon as well, but there is doubts on needing 4 Pokemon from the same Generation. We don't get more characters from Marth's or Ness's game for example, instead we get Lucas, Ike, or Robin. Or even we got Alph over Louie for Pikmin in terms of a alternate costume. Charizard entered Smash later and felt more shoe horned into the mix cause of the Pokemon Trainer gimmick that Sakurai had planned. PT wasn't that well liked due to the theorized effort that had to go into three playable characters wrapped into one with a frustrating exhaustion gimmick. People were speculating something from Gen 4 (Lucario) or the Gen 2 remakes. Though I think many were hoping for Blaziken even though it was starting to age. I don't think anyone really thought Mewtwo would be cut and Charizard wasn't brought up often.
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It is based on a priority list, hypothetically, tons of characters are cut each and every time that we never hear about and obviously some of them are high profile such as Mewtwo and Wolf. So, to that end, in determining whether or not a Pokemon should be cut, I suppose we should look at it from the perspective of, "would this character be low priority." To that end, I actually believe Greninja might be more safe than I initially figured.
I think because they already had Sceptile as the 'resident ninja'.
It's pretty much a question that only the developers have an answer for. Anyway, Mewtwo is currently the only playable legendary in the Smash Bros. series, so it would feel rather odd if it got kicked out again.
That could literally be the answer for any question ever asked about game design decisions ever, so I'm going to say that's a little bit of a cop-out.
I know this is the Mewtwo thread and and I like Mewtwo and all, but if that happens I think I'd actually cry like a baby and I don't think I'll react similarly if it happens with Mewtwo.I feel that if any pokemon gets cut it will be
I would hate to see him go to I love to play as
aswell but if a pokemon got cut to me at least would make the most senseI mean, there's Jigglypuff...I would hate to see him go to I love to play as
jigglypuff is almost a guarntee to be safe the original 12 have always been in smash in my opion from safe to danger for pokemon it would
I would agree, except I would switch Charizard and Mewtwo; now that they brought him back as DLC and his popularity has skyrocketed, I'd say Mewtwo's almost as high priority as the original 12 at this point.jigglypuff is almost a guarntee to be safe the original 12 have always been in smash in my opion from safe to danger for pokemon it would
Always the chance that they saw bigger move-set or unique traits in Aegislash and Braixen for the game. Sceptile already claimed the ninja motif.
before they introduced Ash-Greninja i would have been skeptical of a game giving such a big nod to the anime, but here we are. i guess i'd be fine with it, it's a bit of a departure from how things went down in that movie but as i've said a million times before, Smash has taken bigger liberties
I'd feel the same way.
It's purely aesthetic, I don't see whats the big deal.
