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Street Fighter IV *Super, AE and Ver.2012*

Minato

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I won't lie, I didn't think about implementing the guard crush until Daigo mentioned it.
It would've been nice having it in, but we'll see what the alternative is that's being put in SSIV first.
 

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I won't lie, I didn't think about implementing the guard crush until Daigo mentioned it.
No offense, but I see moist people say stuff like this. Well, not actually say it, but I heard a few complaints about the game being more defensive (not bad, imo) but after Daigo commented about it it seems every other comment on YouTube is "TURTLE Fighter IV LMAO!" and the like.

People who have a lot of safe on block strings and attacks like Sagat, Rufus, Dictator, etc., guard crush could help them. Alpha Counters in the Alpha series helped this, but SF IV doesn't have something like that except Cody, potentially.
 

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No offense, but I see moist people say stuff like this. Well, not actually say it, but I heard a few complaints about the game being more defensive (not bad, imo) but after Daigo commented about it it seems every other comment on YouTube is "TURTLE Fighter IV LMAO!" and the like.

People who have a lot of safe on block strings and attacks like Sagat, Rufus, Dictator, etc., guard crush could help them. Alpha Counters in the Alpha series helped this, but SF IV doesn't have something like that except Cody, potentially.
Yeah, too many people have been saying that. I do think that SF IV was too much of a defensive game when I played it, but it wasn't too much of an issue (at least for me it wasn't). It just kinda turned me off. I don't think it was a turtle-fest though.

But yeah, if they did put in a guard break, they would have a to retool a bunch of things since some characters would benefit too much from it, like you said.
I need to play SF IV again, I stopped playing ever since I bought a stick for the PS3. I only have SFIV for the 360 so I'll be buying Super for the PS3.
 

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So its not guard crush. Good.

Now I hope its not giving every move chip damage, which seems highly doubtful given we haven't seen it in vids and cody is special because of chip damamge, so I'm going to rule that out as well.

Worst possible thing they could put in from what I see is having something happen to ultras when you block to much.

Best possible thing in my book would be the added hitstun for blocking similar to Guilty Gear XX as well as some really good tweaking of frames to get some real block strings.
 

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SF IV is definitely too defensive/campy. Ryu and Sagat are such a joke. I literally do not main either one of them and I can pick them up very easily. LOL LP shoruken to ultra? How hard is that????
 

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I think Cody and Guy will be fantastic characters. Guy looks really fun. Does anyone else think Dee Jay and T Hawk look really boring? I enjoyed Dee Jay in SSF2T but the voice acting looks horribly chosen and his moves look stupid.

Also, everyones all up in Juris vag. lol. Everyones going to be using her.
 

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Dee Jay looks fantastic, and sounds like the Jamaican guy from Futurama (awesome). One the other hand, T Hawk looks and sounds like ****; who voices him again, Johnny Yong Bosch? Wow... wow... watch him be amazingly good, though.

And I will stop playing online if Juri ends up being the new Ken, which is inevitable at this rate, unfortunately. =(
 

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I hate all the English voices for the new characters except Cody. Even in SF IV the only characters I had in English were Rufus and Dan.

I'm still wanting to play as T. Hawk really bad. I always wanted to play Cody in Alpha 3, except that I hate Alpha 3 so I'm gonna try him too. Of course giving Abel a better poke and anti-air moves might make me not want to play anybody else ever.
 

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HOW AKUMA STOLE CHRISTMAS
by Gavin "Vokter Seuss" Jasper

Every fighter from Capcom liked Christmas a lot,
But the demon secret boss from Capcom did not.

Akuma hated Christmas! The whole Christmas season!
Besides writers at Gamefaqs, no one quite knows the reason.
It could be that his tattoo was glowing too bright,
It could be, perhaps, that his beads were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that his black belt was two sizes too small.

But,
Whatever the reason,
His belt or tattoos,
He stood there on Christmas Eve, pitying the foo's,
Staring down from his cave with a pissed, ****** frown
At the overused sprites that lived in the town.
For he knew everyone down in Capcom beneath
Was busy now, buying gifts for Zangief.

"And they're putting off training!" he snarled with a sneer.
"Tomorrow is Christmas! It's practically here!"
Then he growled, as he started his evil vibrating,
"I MUST stop Christmas and get Ryu to start hating!"
For, tomorrow, he knew...

...All the Capcom girls and boys
Would wake up bright and early. They'd rush for their toys!
And then! Oh, the noise! Oh, the noise! Noise! Noise! Noise!
Like Karin's *****y laughing! The NOISE! NOISE! NOISE! NOISE!

Some mousse for Charlie, Kakyoin, and Rose.
For Felicia and Midler some new decent clothes.
For Vega a new mask and a shiny new claw.
And for the succubus Lilith, a new push-up bra.

And THEN
They'd do something he hated a lot!
Every fighter from big Victor to little Servbot,
Would stand close together, with Christmas bells ringing.
They'd stand hand-in-hand. And those fools would start singing!

Then he'd taunt! He'd taunt!
AND he'd TAUNT! TAUNT! TAUNT! TAUNT!
And the more Akuma thought of Dan Hibiki taunting,
The more he thought, "I must stop that village idiot's flaunting!"
"I've been putting up with this for about eight years now!
"I MUST stop Christmas from coming!
...But HOW?"

Then he got an idea!
An awful idea!
GOUKI
GOT A SATSUI NO HADOU NI MEZAMETA IDEA!

"I know just what to do!" Akuma grunted with glee.
And he made a quick Santy Claus hat and a gi.
And he chuckled, and posed "Their cheer I will thresh!"
"With this gi and this hat, I'll be Christmas made flesh!"

"All I need is a reindeer..."
Akuma looked around.
But since he used them for target practice, there was none to be found.
Did that stop the old Gouki...?

"No!" yelled the man with the tattoo of Ten,
"If I can't find a reindeer, I'll make one in Mu-gen!"
So he called his dog Iggi. And he took rubber band
Then he tied a big horn on top of his Stand.

THEN
He loaded some sacks
For his war against Yule
And then he hitched up poor Iggi
And his Stand called the Fool.

Then Akuma said "Go..."
And the sleigh started down
Toward the homes where the shotos
Lay KOed in their town.

All their windows were dark. Quiet snow filled the scene.
All the fighters were all dreaming without Death 13
When he came to the first house in the square.

"This is stop number one," The old Demon Claus hissed
And he climbed to the roof, "I'm the Master of Fist!"

Then he slid down the chimney. With very little room,
But if Santa could do it, then so could the Kume.
He got stuck only once, for a moment or two.
But then he just teleported out of the fireplace flue
Where Light's bots' stockings were all hung in a row.
"Stockings are for the weak. They'll be the first things to go!"

Then he floated on one leg, with a frown that was sour,
Around the whole room, and he took every power!
Shadow Stars! Hard Punches! And strength from the Guts!
Search Snakes! Gemini Lasers! And a boomerang that cuts!
And he stuffed them in bags. Then with a strong firm grab,
He through them straight up the chimney and out of the lab!

Then he punked out all the presents and goodies with glee.
"And NOW!" grinned Gouki, "I will shoryuken the tree!"

And the demon made a fist. His digits starting to curl.
When he heard a small sound of a young robot girl.
He turned around fast, and he saw a small soul.
Little cute Roll, who was out for a stroll.

Akuma had been caught by Mega Man's sister
"State your business runt." The old demon hissed at her.
She stared with wide eyes and said, "Santy Claus, why,
"Why are you kicking our tree's ***? WHY?"

Akuma needed a lie so he gave it a shot,
But all he could mutter was "Dot dot dot dot dot."
"You're that mean Akuma!" Roll jumped with a shout,
And in desperation Akuma knocked her *** out.
He shoryukened the tree straight through the roof.
And with a cool shadow effect he was gone with a poof!

And the one speck of food
That was left in this stop,
Was a crumb that was even too small for Flip Flop

Then he went to other houses,
Stealing gifts by the batch
He even went to Sagat's place,
And stole his eye patch!

It was quarter past dawn...
All the fighters in bed
All the fighters still KOed
When he packed up his sled,
Packed it up with their presents! Like Demitri's new casket
And Baby Bonnie Hood's brand shiny new weapon basket!

Three thousand feet up! Up the side of a volcano,
He'd lay the smack on the gifts like he was Captain Insano!
"Those warriors are weak!" he was evilly humming.
"They're finding out now that no Christmas is coming!
"They're just waking up! I know just what they'll do!
"Their mouths will hang open and they will start puking.
"Then they'll get into fights and Ken will shout out Hadoken!"

"That's a noise," he grunted
"That I simply must hear!"
So he paused. And Akuma put a hand to his ear.
And he did hear a sound rising over the snow.
It started in low. Then it started to grow...

But the sound wasn't sad!
Why, this sound sounded glad!
It couldn't be so!
Yet Dan was still taunting and screaming for dad!

He stared down at Capcom!
He narrowed his eyes!
Then he shook!
What he saw was a shocking surprise!

"We're gonna take you for a ride!
"We're gonna take you for a ride!
"We're gonna take you for a ride!
"We're gonna take you for a ride!
"We're gonna take you for a ride!
"We're gonna take you for a ride!"

Every fighter from Q to Cap Commando,
Was singing! Without any presents to show!
He HADN'T stopped Christmas from coming!
IT CAME!
Somehow or other, it came just the same!

And Akuma, with his sandals ice-cold in the snow,
Stood puzzling and puzzling: "How could it be so?
"They should be throwing Hadokens, hitting Shorykens!
"Koryukens, Gadokens, and Shippu-Bam-Bookens!"
And he puzzled three hours, as he was mad to the core,
Then Gouki thought of something he hadn't before!
And he nodded with a smile and crossed his arms as he stood.
"Maybe Christmas...perhaps...is about being good!"

But this touching scene was soon interrupted,
As he sensed the one man who was just as corrupted.
He saw Juni and Juli and Birdie and Bison,
And Balrog the boxer who resembles Mike Tyson.
As he saw the all the gifts ravaged by Shadaloo,
He thought "I know now what I have to do."
But the odds were against him and the fight was not pleasant,
For it seemed the reformed Akuma would not save a present.
"Soon I will add these gifts to my Psycho Drive,
"And then," Bison smiled "I'll be the strongest alive!"

And what happened then...?
Well...in Capcom they say
That Akuma's super bar
Grew three levels that day!
And he became Shin Gouki as his power went max,
And he gained the strength of ten Hugos and one or two Jax.

And the spirit of Christmas helped fuel his resistance,
As he beat Shadaloo within an inch of existence.
After only a moment they were all screamin'
As he took most of them out with his Raging Demon.
It would have been better if M. Bison ran,
Because Akuma yelled "Kongou Kokuretsuzan!"
His now green tattoo was glowing for all of them to see,
"Because it is Christmas I will let you five be."

And for a minute his belt didn't feel quite so tight,
And he traveled with his dog through the bright morning light
The people of Capcom were more than good sports,
And Adon was freezing from just wearing shorts.
He gave back every gift. He gave back every toy,
For Dee Jay, for Tron Bonne, for Raptor, for Roy!
For Anakaris, for Chun Li, for Q-Bee, for Ken,
For Jill, for Saturn, and Akuma's rival Gen!
For Fei Long, for Hinata, for June, for Hol Horse!
Did he apologize to the injured girl Roll?
But of course!
For Jotaro, and for Dan who he liked the least,
And he...

...HE HIMSELF...!
Akuma gave back to the green, rolling beast.
 

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I know, right? Yun and Yang in Chun-Li's opening (not to mention Yun in Alpha 3 MAX, a canon remake of Alpha 3) shows that Capcom doesn't care about the ages argument, but still if it's a game set between the stories as an introduction would be nice for a few. But then again, I guess it is less of an interesting story than E. Honda entering the tournament to make sumo popular for the 100th time, amirite :/
I'm starting to think that the Street Fighter characters don't age unless it's absolutely necessary (ie Mel, Gen), but time does pass. IIRC, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei does this too.

That story was awesome, but needs more Dudley.
 

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And I will stop playing online if Juri ends up being the new Ken, which is inevitable at this rate, unfortunately. =(
I main Ken and I can tell you that as a Ken main he is not a solid character. Ken is mid to low tier at best and lacks any offensive pressure aside from his step kick. His camping game is horrible seeing as his hadoukens startup and ending lag are horrific....they are worse than Akuma, Ryu, and Sagat.

The top tiers in SF are either amazing at camping (Ryu, Sagat, Akuma, Seth) or have wonderful anti camp options. (Rufus and Blanka are amazing at this)

Ken relies on offensive pressure and that is not what SF IV is all about. SF IV is extremely defensive and all it is is tech chasing and baiting attacks and then punishing.

I also find the Ken mains online to have decreased significantly and the Ryu mains are RIDICULOUS. So many Ryu fanboys out there. lol.


I play pretty much every character aside from Gen, Fuerte, Rufus, and Dhalsim and Ken is not a good character. His anti air options are amazing and his ultra is amazingly easy to get off against scrubs but good players don't run/fall for his BS.
 

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Lollllll. This isnt hyper fighting/ST, or is it? .__.
ST in a nutshell, Hadouken -> Light Tatsu -> Repeat until special bar is full -> Grab -> Shinku hadouken (crossed over). Or, Tiger -> Tiger ground -> Tiger -> Tiger ground -> Tiger Uppercut. OR Akuma -> Air ball spam -> Shakunetsu spam -> Win -> But lose cause you used Akuma.

:D

But seriously, ST Daigo Ryu is broken.
 

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Whoever posted that "tiger tiger tiger" **** doesn't know a thing about Sagat.

You forgot the part where you cancel a standing short into tiger tiger tiger when they get close.
 

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Glad they are changing Guile, he was sooo bad.

Its sad because almost none of his ST tactics worked at all. So hopefully they try to bring some of those back.
 

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Since its SF discussion I guess I can ask this question.

Does anyone use 2DF? I wanna play some people in 3s. You know, the game that beats SF4 in every single way.
 

kr3wman

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a bunch of people

alex, akuma, ryu, ken, makoto. although I suck with makoto/alex since I can't do hcf motions on a keyboard to save my life.
 
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