Stop With the Lame Character Suggestions

[Pyroloserkid]

Lucario is deliberately being made popular by GameFreak. He even has his own movie.

And Lucario is more popular than Deoxys and Munchlax.

Don't you think it's strange that they, the only two characters that rivaled Lucario's spot for Brawl, were deliberately deconfirmed by Sakurai?

Hint, Hint.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!

Lucario wins.
Luke Groundwalker ftl.


Edit: Guess what I just saw? Homer Simpson for Brawl. Rolls eyes.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

And Luke Groundwalker, that was some response. You can't deconfirm any of that.

It wasn't meant to. It was simple satire on people's "logic" for Lucario being in.

Stop spamming, and stop being a scrub.

It relates to the topic quite well so it is NOT spam.

Just admit that Lucario is the most popular 4th gen Pokémon, and that the 4th gen will outsell the 1st and 2nd gen, and we'll call it a day.

Actually, Darkrai is just as popular as Lucario in Japan even today, most fan-lists over there want him in just as much as Lucario. Should Darkrai be in?

Since ya know, after 5 months it's almost outsold the 3rd gen, and it's sales are over 10,000,000 units, and it will pass Nintendogs as the best selling DS game, which makes it the best selling game on the fastest selling system of all-time. Not just will Pokémon probably outsell Mario as the best-selling series of all-time, but D/P are going to be the best selling games on the best-selling system of all-time, which has sold over 60 million uints [half as many as the best selling system=the PS2] in 2 1/2 years. That's like 1/3rd the time the PS2 has been out! DISPROVE THAT!

Since when did sales predict the number of reps in the game? Donkey Kong is Nintendo's third best selling franchise right next to Zelda, but in Melee, what did it get?

That's right, only one rep.

The only thing sales do have is the higher the chance if, say, the series will be in at all, which Pokemon is obviously already in Brawl. But you can NOT determine whether or not if there's going to be more reps on sales alone.

Lucario is deliberately being made popular by GameFreak. He even has his own movie.

Don't forget Darkrai!

 

[Brawlman]

I think more joke threads are being put up in response to this thread. XD

 

[Sariku]

It wasn't meant to. It was simple satire on people's "logic" for Lucario being in.

It relates to the topic quite well so it is NOT spam.

Actually, Darkrai is just as popular as Lucario in Japan even today, most fan-lists over there want him in just as much as Lucario. Should Darkrai be in?

Since when did sales predict the number of reps in the game? Donkey Kong is Nintendo's third best selling franchise right next to Zelda, but in Melee, what did it get?

That's right, only one rep.

The only thing sales do have is the higher the chance if, say, the series will be in at all, which Pokemon is obviously already in Brawl. But you can NOT determine whether or not if there's going to be more reps on sales alone.

Don't forget Darkrai!

You dont get anything. Thank you all the Lucario Supporters, and supporters of "These lame joke threads should stop." Lucario IS the best choice for another Pokemon. But I will say this, and almost no one could disagree with me.

If Mewtwo turns out to be playable, then Lucario's chances are little to none.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

You dont get anything.

I quite do. I honestly don't care if people want Lucario in Brawl or not, it's perfectly fine with me.

But Lucario's chances are often...exaggerated.

That's all I'm trying to point out. People seem to think he's somehow the perfect other representative for Pokemon when he isn't.

If Mewtwo turns out to be playable, then Lucario's chances are little to none.

How in any way are Lucario and Mewtwo ever similar?

 

[Sariku]

How in any way are Lucario and Mewtwo ever similar?

Aura Sphere - Shadowball

Well that's all really, but I just dont' think we need them both >.<

 

[Shuma]

Mewtwo is a shoe in now that Deoxis was deconfirmed, so if you really think Mewtwo reduces/increases Lucario chances you have mental problems.

Lucario and Mewtwo have nothing similar.

 

[Johnknight1]

It relates to the topic quite well so it is NOT
Actually, Darkrai is just as popular as Lucario in Japan even today, most fan-lists over there want him in just as much as Lucario. Should Darkrai be in?

Ya right. Besides, LUCARIO HAS HIS OWN MOVIE!

Since when did sales predict the number of reps in the game? Donkey Kong is Nintendo's third best selling franchise right next to Zelda, but in Melee, what did it get?

That's right, only one rep.

Ya, but that is because the DK franchise was DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! In SSB64 it was Nitendo's GREATEST all stars, and in Melee it expanded, and DK had pretty much died. The only reason DK has sold 48 milion units is because DKC was packaged with the SNES for a while, and DKC sold somewhere from 15-20 milllion units.

The only thing sales do have is the higher the chance if, say, the series will be in at all, which Pokemon is obviously already in Brawl. But you can NOT determine whether or not if there's going to be more reps on sales alone.

Don't forget Darkrai![/QUOTE]

Ya, and don't forget OOT. SSb puts in the most popular reps of somewat recent games. Look at this.

Melee Zelda reps:

-Ganondorf only appeared in OOT, which was made in 1998. It sold 8 million units.
-Skull Kid appeared only as a central character in MM, which was made in 2000. It sold 4 million units.
-Oracles of Seasonss/Ages came out in 2001. They each sold over 3 milion units.

Now wait, Melee came out AFTER ALL 3 of those. If Sakurai was to rep the rep the most recent, he'd have Skull Kid over Young Link, And Ralph over Shiek, BUT HE DIDN'T. 2/5 of the Zelda characters in Melee originated from OOT, 1 never reappeared in a Zelda game, and 1 never reappeared in a Zelda game until a few years AFTER Melee. And he didn't go for Aghamin or Ganon, from the cult classic ALTTP. He went for the game that SOLD THE MOST, AND WAS THE MOST POPULAR.

That is why we see Diddy and not Dixie, and that is why we saw 3 1st gen Pokémon reps, and 1 2nd gen Pokémon rep. Watever is the most popular, and sells the best. That is why we got 3 DKC stages in SSB64 and Melee, and no DK64 stages. That is why we got a Jungle Beat stage in Brawl, and no King of Swing or Jungle Climber. Watever is the most recent and poular, or watever is has a cult classic following, and is popular. Sakurai is a b***ch to the most desired characters in the series. o, and Lucario got 3 votes on Sakurai's poll, and his GAME WASN'T EVEN OUT YET! Anyways, Sakurai is the servant of the most popular characters. Like this:

-Marth: Most votes on Sakurai's poll, and in Melee.
-Diddy: 5 votes, and in Brawl. Wanted heavily in the west.
-King Dedede: 7 votes on Sakurai's poll, which makes hims have the most.
-Ike: 5 votes of Sakurai's poll, and he's in.
-Wario: Fanbase mad he wasn't in Melee, and he's in Brawl.
-Meta Knight: Heavily wanted in future smash installments [if any], and look wat happened to him.
-Falco: Most popular Star Fox member, and he was in Melee.
-Mewtwo: Pokémon's most famous villian, and heavily wanted in future smashes. Ya, he was in Melee [and he sucked].
-Ganondorf: Popular villian from OOT, of whom everyone loved. Sakurai couldn't not include him.

^ All those were pretty much the most desired characters for SSB games, and got in [minus Dex3, who if you doubt you are retarted...I left out obvious characters, like Peach and Bowser]. And if Sakurai bases a series with as many unique possibilites like Pokémon all off the last gen, Brawl will leak with boycott. Because again, he's the b**ch of the most popular and most desired characters in Brawl. Sure he still puts in random cool characters, but wat the biggest fanbases tell him to do, he does. PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION. And compare Takamaru's fanbase next to Lucario's, and you'll see a MASSIVE diffrence.

And if Mewtwo is confirmed, it means nothing for Lucario. Same thing if Jiggs is confirmed. If another Pokémon newcomer is confirmed, however...then Lucario is screwed.

 

[Black/Light]

But I will say this, and almost no one could disagree with me.

If Mewtwo turns out to be playable, then Lucario's chances are little to none.

. . .Mewtwo has very MUCH a good chance of coming back seeing as he is the only true villian of the series and was (according to Sakurai) suppose to be in the first smash bro anyway.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=81891&highlight=melee+poll+1999

And yes, Lucario is GREATLY exaggerated. What does he have as a reason to be in? One anime movie out of 10 anime movies from 2 years ago, a "rank" in a game not even made by GameFreak and being used as a promotional pokemon like 8-10 other pokemon were before DP came out.

I can muster up more reason for Meowth than that.

This thread fails because of the "Mewtwo could be replaced by Lucario" statement alone.

 

[Jackal478]

Wow. Lucario is a good choice.

and back to the topic...I made a thread like this and it was prone to attract those Stafy Nutcases.

 

[MysticKenji]

Ya right. Besides, LUCARIO HAS HIS OWN MOVIE!

...

@Jackal

Huh?

 

[Zoinkslls]

I have something to say to bad choices for characters:
Chances of a lot of characters being in Brawl:
Characters who did not appear on a Nintendo Console - 0%
Characters that originated from TV - 0%
Real people - 0%
Common/Usual enemies from a game (i.e.: Dry Bones, Metroid, Octorock) - 0%
Very unpopular characters (That even aren't antagonist/protagonist) - 0%

 

[Circus]

. . .Mewtwo has very MUCH a good chance of coming back seeing as he is the only true villian of the series

LIES.

*Giovanni and Team Rocket wave frantically in the background*

 

[Shuma]

Pokemon Villain is more acurrate.

 

[Jackal478]

@Kenji: Spelling error, i do alot of them :/

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Ya right. Besides, LUCARIO HAS HIS OWN MOVIE!

lolwut?​

]Ya, but that is because the DK franchise was DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! In SSB64 it was Nitendo's GREATEST all stars, and in Melee it expanded, and DK had pretty much died. The only reason DK has sold 48 milion units is because DKC was packaged with the SNES for a while, and DKC sold somewhere from 15-20 milllion units.

Uhh... No it wasn't, it was pretty much still popular around both the release of SSB AND SSBM.

Ya, and don't forget OOT. SSb puts in the most popular reps of somewat recent games. Look at this.

Melee Zelda reps:

-Ganondorf only appeared in OOT, which was made in 1998. It sold 8 million units.
-Skull Kid appeared only as a central character in MM, which was made in 2000. It sold 4 million units.
-Oracles of Seasonss/Ages came out in 2001. They each sold over 3 milion units.

Now wait, Melee came out AFTER ALL 3 of those. If Sakurai was to rep the rep the most recent, he'd have Skull Kid over Young Link, And Ralph over Shiek, BUT HE DIDN'T. 2/5 of the Zelda characters in Melee originated from OOT, 1 never reappeared in a Zelda game, and 1 never reappeared in a Zelda game until a few years AFTER Melee. And he didn't go for Aghamin or Ganon, from the cult classic ALTTP. He went for the game that SOLD THE MOST, AND WAS THE MOST POPULAR.

Point?

That is why we see Diddy and not Dixie, and that is why we saw 3 1st gen Pokémon reps, and 1 2nd gen Pokémon rep. Watever is the most popular, and sells the best. That is why we got 3 DKC stages in SSB64 and Melee, and no DK64 stages.

No, the stage in Melee WAS based off DK64, at least the one with the waterfall.

o, and Lucario got 3 votes on Sakurai's poll, and his GAME WASN'T EVEN OUT YET!

Wait, what?

King Dedede(5)
Diddy Kong(4)
Geno(4)
Ike(4)
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Animal Crossing MC(2)
Claus(2)
Demiru(2)
Isaac(2)
Jeff(2)
Kawasima(2)
King K.Rool(2)
Lip(2)
Lucas(2)
Mega Man(2)
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)

NO LUCARIO?!!!

Anyways, Sakurai is the servant of the most popular characters. Like this:

-Marth: Most votes on Sakurai's poll, and in Melee.
-Diddy: 5 votes, and in Brawl. Wanted heavily in the west.
-King Dedede: 7 votes on Sakurai's poll, which makes hims have the most.
-Ike: 5 votes of Sakurai's poll, and he's in.
-Wario: Fanbase mad he wasn't in Melee, and he's in Brawl.
-Meta Knight: Heavily wanted in future smash installments [if any], and look wat happened to him.
-Falco: Most popular Star Fox member, and he was in Melee.
-Mewtwo: Pokémon's most famous villian, and heavily wanted in future smashes. Ya, he was in Melee [and he sucked].
-Ganondorf: Popular villian from OOT, of whom everyone loved. Sakurai couldn't not include him.

^ All those were pretty much the most desired characters for SSB games, and got in [minus Dex3, who if you doubt you are retarted...I left out obvious characters, like Peach and Bowser]. And if Sakurai bases a series with as many unique possibilites like Pokémon all off the last gen, Brawl will leak with boycott. Because again, he's the b**ch of the most popular and most desired characters in Brawl. Sure he still puts in random cool characters, but wat the biggest fanbases tell him to do, he does. PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION.

Alright, by that logic, Darkrai will make it in also, since in Japan, he's literally as popular, even more popular iirc, than Lucario ever was. Must be a great choice!!

And compare Takamaru's fanbase next to Lucario's, and you'll see a MASSIVE diffrence.

That's strange...

King Dedede(5)
Diddy Kong(4)
Geno(4)
Ike(4)
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Animal Crossing MC(2)
Claus(2)
Demiru(2)
Isaac(2)
Jeff(2)
Kawasima(2)
King K.Rool(2)
Lip(2)
Lucas(2)
Mega Man(2)
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)

You're saying what about Takamaru's fanbase?

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Yes Darkrai has his own movie, and he is really popular. But even with all that, his chances seem much lower than Lucario's. Even non-Lucario supporters agree with that.

Yeah he would be cool, but I highly doubt Darkrai will be playable.

EDIT:

Also, Luke Groundwalker deliberately tries to cause trouble, just ignore him. Notice how he never responded to my post.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Yes Darkrai has his own movie, and he is really popular. But even with all that, his chances seem much lower than Lucario's. Even non-Lucario supporters agree with that.

The difference is, his chances aren't. He's a legendary for one, starred in a recent Pokemon movie. Hell, I'd say his chances are even higher than Lucario's. Same with Deoxys.

Also, Luke Groundwalker deliberately tries to cause trouble, just ignore him. Notice how he never responded to my post.

Again, I WILL seriously report you for saying this bullsh-t. I'm not causing trouble, it's a simple discussion to idiotic ***** like you who happen to think Lucario has a very huge chance. A lot of people on these forums know that Lucario has hardly a chance.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

The difference is, his chances aren't. He's a legendary for one, starred in a recent Pokemon movie. Hell, I'd say his chances are even higher than Lucario's. Same with Deoxys.

Again, I WILL seriously report you for saying this bullsh-t. I'm not causing trouble, it's a simple discussion to idiotic ***** like you who happen to think Lucario has a very huge chance. A lot of people on these forums know that Lucario has hardly a chance.

Notice how he still hasn't responded to my first post.

And yes, Lucario has a huge chance of being in Brawl.

And you and Sandman do not outclass the people that think Lucario has a good chance. Your "reasons" for him not being in basically whittle down to "I don't like him"

 

[axemangx]

Who are you to judge what we can and cant do? Not our faults we're trying to liven up this forum.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Notice how he still hasn't responded to my first post.

Notice how I'm not going to be an idiotic **** like you and actually try to start sh-t?

And yes, Lucario has a huge chance of being in Brawl.

As big as chance as Deoxys and Darkrai, yes. One already decomfirmed.

And you and Sandman do not outclass the people that think Lucario has a good chance. Your "reasons" for him not being in basically whittle down to "I don't like him"

Uh, no it isn't. I've explained a sh-tload of times why Lucario should NOT be in.

Let's look at him and observe the facts:

Pros:
-Stars in his own movie
-One of the first 4th gen Pokemon revealed
-Mildly popular
-Cool design and an array of cool moves

Cons:
-Is just a rare but pretty average Pokemon in the game, much like Sudowoodo and Snorlax was in the past games
-Isn't legendary
-Isn't the icon of the 4th gen (Munchlax was)
-Doesn't hold any importance, ever
-Might become pokeball Pokemon since Munchlax was shown as such
-Holds as much merit as Deoxys did, and he was deconfirmed
-Wasn't on Sakurai's list, even if he was requested, Sakurai didn't respond to any of his request rather than other characters

Etc., I could list so much more.

Looking upon those few pros and cons, it's obvious that Lucario has a slim chance to be in. He has a chance, but it isn't that big.

 

[Ice man]

This went from a stupid character complaint thread to a lucario thread.

 

[Brawlman]

Munchy wasn't the icon....No one really knows who the icon is at the moment...Same with every Gen 'cept 1st.

 

[axemangx]

Cons:
-Is just a rare but pretty average Pokemon in the game, much like Sudowoodo and Snorlax was in the past games. What does that have to do with anything?
-Isn't legendary - Why does that matter? Last time I checked, Pikachu and Jigglypuff arent legends.
-Isn't the icon of the 4th gen (Munchlax was). There is no 4th Gen Icon. Munchlax and Lucario were evened up
-Doesn't hold any importance, ever- Did Jigglypuff have imporance? No, she was just pop. in Japan.
-Might become pokeball Pokemon since Munchlax was shown as such- All Munchlax really did was eat. Lucario does many things.
-Holds as much merit as Deoxys did, and he was deconfirmed- Deoxys has no role at ALL, all he did in the Movie was attack everything.
-Wasn't on Sakurai's list, even if he was requested, Sakurai didn't respond to any of his request rather than other characters- Lists dont matter to Sakurai. All lists are is suggestions. If they are higher, then that must mean they have a GOOD idea of being in.


I rest my case.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Let's look at him and observe the facts:

Pros:
-Stars in his own movie
-One of the first 4th gen Pokemon revealed
-Mildly popular
-Cool design and an array of cool moves

Cons:
-Is just a rare but pretty average Pokemon in the game, much like Sudowoodo and Snorlax was in the past games
-Isn't legendary
-Isn't the icon of the 4th gen (Munchlax was)
-Doesn't hold any importance, ever
-Might become pokeball Pokemon since Munchlax was shown as such
-Holds as much merit as Deoxys did, and he was deconfirmed
-Wasn't on Sakurai's list, even if he was requested, Sakurai didn't respond to any of his request rather than other characters

Happens to be the only non-Legendary to star in his own movie. (GameFreak trying to make him popular maybe?)
REALLY popular.
An average Pokemon? Like Jigglypuff? and Pichu?
Isn't Legendary? Like Jigglypuff? And Pichu?
Doesn't hold any importance? Except for the fact that GameFreak is deliberately making him popular?
Munchlax and Deoxys, both who aren't as popular as Lucario, and the only 2 Pokemon who rivaled his spot for Brawl, were deliberately deconfimed by Sakurai? (Hint, hint)
Wasn't on Sakurai's list because he was barely known at the time.

 

[Shuma]

Deoxis was more popular than Lucario, at least it rivaled Lucario Fanbase. so yeah.

Aniway, make a poll, Lucario V.S Gengar, yeah... we'll see who's more popular.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Ok, so even if you don't like Lucario, you know that Lucario is the most popular 4th Gen Pokemon, there's no doubt about that, even GameFreak are trying making him popular.

Deoxys and Munchlax were the only 2 Pokemon that rivaled Lucario, And BOTH of them were deliberately deconfirmed by Sakurai. Funny how, (apart from Groudon, who followed the Pokeball update I think), they were the first 2 Pokemon deconfirmed. Sakurai even mentioned that Deoxys was popular in his update.

Doesn't that seem at all suspicious to you? Do you think Sakurai was hinting at anything? Deoxys and Munchlax, the 2 Pokemon that rivaled Lucario's spot for Brawl.. deconfirmed..?

And something tells me Lucario is FAR more popular than Piplup.

 

[Black/Light]

Happens to be the only non-Legendary to star in his own movie. (GameFreak trying to make him popular maybe?)
REALLY popular.
An average Pokemon? Like Jigglypuff? and Pichu?
Isn't Legendary? Like Jigglypuff? And Pichu?
Doesn't hold any importance? Except for the fact that GameFreak is deliberately making him popular?
Munchlax and Deoxys, both who aren't as popular as Lucario, and the only 2 Pokemon who rivaled his spot for Brawl, were deliberately deconfimed by Sakurai? (Hint, hint)
Wasn't on Sakurai's list because he was barely known at the time.

There actually are other NON legendary pokemon that starred in their own movies.
Lati@s where Brother and sister
Unknown where not legendary
Deoxys wasn't REALLY legendary seeing as it's just a space virus and there where 2 of them and Manaphy aint legendary
(just the "king" of a sub breed).

Plus, Lucario co-starred in that movie with Mew how WAS legendary.

And how is he "deliberately" being made popular? It only got alot of merch before the game came out (like the other 4th gen pokemon at that time). . . now it's just like all the others.

And the thing was known in Japan sence 05. . .

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

What does that have to do with anything?

His chances are the same as Snorlax AND Sudowoodo game-wise.

Why does that matter? Last time I checked, Pikachu and Jigglypuff arent legends.

Yeah, but they do hold great important. They're literally the two most popular Pokemon in the whole franchise, even 'til today. Lucario is just as popular as Deoxys, Munchlax, and Darkrai, two being deconfirmed.

There is no 4th Gen Icon. Munchlax and Lucario were evened up

Pretty much, yeah, and it's shown how much Sakurai cares about one of them when he made Munchlax a pokeball Pokemon, which will most likely happen to Lucario.

Did Jigglypuff have imporance? No, she was just pop. in Japan.

No, she was the second most popular Pokemon, EVERYWHERE.

All Munchlax really did was eat. Lucario does many things.

Munchlax does many things too, point?

Deoxys has no role at ALL, all he did in the Movie was attack everything.

And Lucario does have a role or something?

Lists dont matter to Sakurai. All lists are is suggestions. If they are higher, then that must mean they have a GOOD idea of being in.

Exactly, which is why Lucario wasn't on the list at all. Sakurai obviously doesn't care about him very much.

Happens to be the only non-Legendary to star in his own movie. (GameFreak trying to make him popular maybe?)

Obviously, yeah, Gamefreak was cashing in on him. Perfect way to get money since he's all cool looking and one of the first gen Pokemon revealed. Played a similar role to Deoxys, who was marketed as a brand new Pokemon when the movie came out to the masses (even though people have hacked his data in-game already way before that).

REALLY popular.

Hundreds of Pokemon are REALLY popular. But on a scale with Lucario, as pointed out, he's about the same in popularity with Munchlax, Deoxys, AND Darkrai, two that were, yes, deconfirmed. Popularity doesn't have to do much with this game unless they're legibly huge like Pikachu and Jigglypuff

An average Pokemon? Like Jigglypuff? and Pichu?
Isn't Legendary? Like Jigglypuff? And Pichu?

Pichu was a joke character by Sakurai, he even said that Pichu was especially made to suck as a challenge character. However, much like MUNCHLAX, Pichu was indeed the most popular 2nd gen Pokemon and the star of it. However, he was added at the last minute as a clone.

Doesn't hold any importance? Except for the fact that GameFreak is deliberately making him popular?

Gamefreak makes many Pokemon popular, so what's your point?

Munchlax and Deoxys, both who aren't as popular as Lucario, and the only 2 Pokemon who rivaled his spot for Brawl, were deliberately deconfimed by Sakurai? (Hint, hint)

Don't forget Darkrai!

But seriously, I think the only message Sakurai is giving us is that he probably won't add much Pokemon other than the recently revealed Pokemon Trainer character, and is deliberately deconfirming the ones everyone expects to be in. Lucario has a chance, very slim at that, really, but don't expect him to be in, because looking upon his chances, compared to other characters, he probably won't make the cut.

Wasn't on Sakurai's list because he was barely known at the time.

Uhh... I dunno if you've been living under a rock, but Lucario has been known ever since 2005, he was WELL known when the list was made, which was around 2006.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

There actually are other NON legendary pokemon that starred in their own movies.
Lati@s where Brother and sister
Unknown where not legendary
Deoxys wasn't REALLY legendary seeing as it's just a space virus and there where 2 of them and Manaphy aint legendary
(just the "king" of a sub breed).

Plus, Lucario co-starred in that movie with Mew how WAS legendary.

And how is he "deliberately" being made popular? It only got alot of merch before the game came out (like the other 4th gen pokemon at that time). . . now it's just like all the others.

And the thing was known in Japan sence 05. . .

Lati@s = Legendary
Unown weren't the stars of their movie, Entei was.
Deoxys = Legendary
Manaphy = Legendary
Mew was only in like 30-40% of his movie.

Only one Lucario in D/P, used by the Champion, obtained from a guy that looks like Lucario's master in the movie.

EDIT:

Also, Lucario being known since 2005 actually increases his chances.

 

[dynamic_entry]

Lati@s = Legendary
Unown weren't the stars of their movie, Entei was.
Deoxys = Legendary
Manaphy = Legendary
Mew was only in like 30-40% of his movie.

Only one Lucario in D/P, used by the Champion, obtained from a guy that looks like Lucario's master in the movie.

EDIT:

Also, Lucario being known since 2005 actually increases his chances.

only one farfetch'd in the original! farfetch'd confirmed!

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Also, Lucario being known since 2005 actually increases his chances.

Mind actually explaining?

only one farfetch'd in the original! farfetch'd confirmed!

Don't forget Sudowoodo in the 2nd gen, must be the perfect rep!

 

[Shuma]

Ok, so even if you don't like Lucario, you know that Lucario is the most popular 4th Gen Pokemon

Exactly, 4th gen, not more important pokemon.

Deoxys and Munchlax were the only 2 Pokemon that rivaled Lucario, And BOTH of them were deliberately deconfirmed by Sakurai.

Maybe he's next? dududuuuun.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

only one farfetch'd in the original! farfetch'd confirmed!

Mind actually explaining?

Don't forget Sudowoodo in the 2nd gen, must be the perfect rep!

Farfetch'D, Sudowoodo? You 2 are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for excuses to why you don't want Lucario in Brawl, I bet I could do this with anyone.

Lucas, Ridley, Sukapon, anyone. Luckily I like those characters, and I don't base my opinions as fact.

EDIT:

Shuma, Piplup was next.

 

[Black/Light]

Lati@s = Legendary
Unown weren't the stars of their movie, Entei was.
Deoxys = Legendary
Manaphy = Legendary
Mew was only in like 30-40% of his movie.

Only one Lucario in D/P, used by the Champion, obtained from a guy that looks like Lucario's master in the movie.

EDIT:

Also, Lucario being known since 2005 actually increases his chances.

Lati@s=Bro+Sis and more where shown at the end of that movie. . .
"Pokémon 3: Spell of the Unown " They where the stars.
Deoxy=Space virus and 2 where in his movie. . .
Manaphy=Can breed and comes from a egg. It's the "king" of it's sub-breed.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ENC-280j9Uw BOTH Mew and Lucario shared the same spot in the "which movie pokemon do you want on the Darkrai movie ticket contest".

. . .And Munch was known back in the Deoxy movie's time, how does this help Lucario?

 

[dynamic_entry]

Farfetch'D, Sudowoodo? You 2 are really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for excuses to why you don't want Lucario in Brawl, I bet I could do this with anyone..

you clown, that was rebutting one of you arguments. you cant say, 'omg theres only one in the game, thus the creators love him more and will push for a spot for him in brawl!' if gamefreak made farfetch'd and sudowoodo one of a kind in their respective generations.

i cant believe i had to explain that.

dont get me wrong, lucario has a fair chance of making the roster IMO, i just had a problem with that one argument.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Lati@s=Bro+Sis and more where shown at the end of that movie. . .
"Pokémon 3: Spell of the Unown " They where the stars.
Deoxy=Space virus and 2 where in his movie. . .
Manaphy=Can breed and comes from a egg. It's the "king" of it's sub-breed.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ENC-280j9Uw BOTH Mew and Lucario shared the same spot in the "which movie pokemon do you want on the Darkrai movie ticket contest".

. . .And Munch was known back in the Deoxy movie's time, how does this help Lucario?

As every Pokemon fan knows, the Anime don't follow Pokemon's rules.

Lati@s are still legendary.
If you've watched the third Pokemon movie, you'll know that Unown are not the stars of the movie, Entei is.
Deoxys is legendary. The anime doesn't follow Pokemon's rules, there was a baby Lugia.
Manaphy is still legendary.
You can get Lucario is D/P normally, so why would you want to download him?

Lucario is more popular than Munchlax, notice how Munchlax is Pokeballed?

 

[Shuma]

Deoxis rivaled Lucario popularity, pokeballed too, that argument is useless.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Deoxis rivaled Lucario popularity, pokeballed too, that argument is useless.

Deoxys rivaled Lucario's popularity? And he was deliberately deconfirmed by Sakurai, who even left a note saying Deoxys was popular?

Could he have been hinting, do you think?

EDIT:

Both Munchlax and Deoxys were deconfirmed. Sakurai knew they were popular, so he definitely knew about Lucario. Yet Piplup was next, not Lucario.. Strange..

 

[Shuma]

My point was debunking this argument:

"Lucario is more popular than Munchlax, notice how Munchlax is Pokeballed?"

Aniway, I hate Lucario, like all the 4th gen pokemons, but he would be the best rep for the 4th gen... 4th gen.... i hope Sakurai stycks with the 1st gen though.