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CRASHiC

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Dear Olimars
I am a Dededee main. As you all very well know. You **** us big time, no contest. What I want to know is what stages effectively shut down your game in terms of the most common non-banned counterpick stages. Any amount of help would be more than appreciated.
 

asob4

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i agree with maniclysane hahaha
made me lol

uhhh i hate delfino, doesn't help that ghost pikmin happens more on that stage >.> but it isn't that bad
RC isn't that bad either

try japes, you'll live forever and it's hard for us there
water murders us
 

Fino

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Japes is the only true olimar counter pick.
Any other stage people say is garbage and false.
I hate FD myself though.... If japes isn't legal... that's my ban, though I have to auto ban japes when it's legal.


~Fino
 

asob4

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no one ever thinks to CP japes on me besides DK's, D3's, and Lucarios
and i ban vs them usually
 

BlackWaltzX

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Wait, did I miss something?
Japes is my fave level.
What's bad on it there?
Also, who cares if upsmash doesn't work? Blue and dsmash is buffed on the stage.


To TC/OP, pick Japes because that's one of D3s best stages.
 

Olimarman

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Rc is and forever will be my first ban, though its really not too bad to play on, just annoying. Japes and frigate work as decent cps to oli if RC is banned.
 

RichBrown

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Thanks to Fino I had the confidence to not ban RC against two Gdubs this past sunday, I beat them both :D

I LOATHE JJ. I actually like FD against DDD, I have more room to throw ****. I beat DSF's DDD on this stage :p
 

Dyyne

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Japes is the only true olimar counter pick.
Any other stage people say is garbage and false.

~Fino
While Japes is possibly the most effective olimar counter pick, that doesn't mean that stages like frigate and RC (I think that is a good stage, like you, but it is arguable) are still poor stages for him. Perhaps not as bad as Japes, but it is certainly not garbage or false to call them counterpicks, that is quite an ignorant statement.
 

Fino

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While Japes is possibly the most effective olimar counter pick, that doesn't mean that stages like frigate and RC (I think that is a good stage, like you, but it is arguable) are still poor stages for him. Perhaps not as bad as Japes, but it is certainly not garbage or false to call them counterpicks, that is quite an ignorant statement.
Everyone is like "omgezz guise, there's not a tetherable edge =O" and think it must be a counterpick. When you look at rainbow cruise, you're in constant motion, platforms literally clutter the stage, and you see that while there aren't tether-able edges... you don't need any. Also, olimar can ko relatively easy on the stage.... wait, I take that back. I KO'd a metaknight at 32% on RC.... olimar can ko REALLY easily on that stage.
Frigate... again no tetherable edge.... on one side.... for 1 section of the stage. Look at the other section. just like halberd except you have platforms that come out and can save you. Also, that's to hilt, we now know that you get an abundance or yellows and purples... meaning matchups against characters like marth and pikachu become relatively easier. Have problems with no tetherable edges on the right side... play on the left - it's not that hard.
Just one small aspect doesn't mean it's a counterpick. Oops... metaknight gets KO'd easily because he's light... must mean he's bad on rainbow cruise because the ceilings are low and the walls are close. Wrong, it's one of his better stages.
amirite?


~Fino
 

asob4

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frigate is such a good olimar stage
i love how people think it's bad for him

purples and yellows ****
 

Dyyne

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Everyone is like "omgezz guise, there's not a tetherable edge =O" and think it must be a counterpick. When you look at rainbow cruise, you're in constant motion, platforms literally clutter the stage, and you see that while there aren't tether-able edges... you don't need any. Also, olimar can ko relatively easy on the stage.... wait, I take that back. I KO'd a metaknight at 32% on RC.... olimar can ko REALLY easily on that stage.
Frigate... again no tetherable edge.... on one side.... for 1 section of the stage. Look at the other section. just like halberd except you have platforms that come out and can save you. Also, that's to hilt, we now know that you get an abundance or yellows and purples... meaning matchups against characters like marth and pikachu become relatively easier. Have problems with no tetherable edges on the right side... play on the left - it's not that hard.
Just one small aspect doesn't mean it's a counterpick. Oops... metaknight gets KO'd easily because he's light... must mean he's bad on rainbow cruise because the ceilings are low and the walls are close. Wrong, it's one of his better stages.
amirite?


~Fino
But it is still an available option to use for counterpicking. I already said that they don't counter olimar terribly well, but when the best option (Japes) is banned, that what else do you have? Frigate isn't a bad olimar stage, but that doesn't mean it is good either.

Skank: But if someone is in a situation where they need to countpick, what you suggest to use instead? It isn't just about how good a stage is against a character, but how good it is compared to everything else.
 

Olimarman

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Everyone is like "omgezz guise, there's not a tetherable edge =O" and think it must be a counterpick. When you look at rainbow cruise, you're in constant motion, platforms literally clutter the stage, and you see that while there aren't tether-able edges... you don't need any. Also, olimar can ko relatively easy on the stage.... wait, I take that back. I KO'd a metaknight at 32% on RC.... olimar can ko REALLY easily on that stage.
Frigate... again no tetherable edge.... on one side.... for 1 section of the stage. Look at the other section. just like halberd except you have platforms that come out and can save you. Also, that's to hilt, we now know that you get an abundance or yellows and purples... meaning matchups against characters like marth and pikachu become relatively easier. Have problems with no tetherable edges on the right side... play on the left - it's not that hard.
Just one small aspect doesn't mean it's a counterpick. Oops... metaknight gets KO'd easily because he's light... must mean he's bad on rainbow cruise because the ceilings are low and the walls are close. Wrong, it's one of his better stages.
amirite?


~Fino
The only "part" of rainbow cruise that you really need to be careful is on the giant pendulum thing. Every other part of that stage isn't too bad, but why play it if you don't have to? Playing the incredibly underplayed MK on here isn't too fun though, since hes basically free to roam wherever and your stuck on platforms for periods of time, but RC isn't too bad, I just find it annoying to play on and I'd much rather take a game to frigate or japes.

As for frigate, just like RC, if people see that theres untetherable ledges, they automatically assume its a bad oli stage. But really, its not too hard to stay away from that one edge, and the stage isn't big enough for the opponent to camp on the other edge. This stage, also like RC, is more annoying than strategically bad for Oli.

As for japes, really only the players who actually know what they're doing take you here. just play it safe and play towards the right side, where you have more time to pop out of the water. The small sides are potentially heavily in Oli's favor, and as high as the ceiling may be, never lose faith in the purple cinderblocks.

You can't keep Oli down. :) I'm sure I left something out but I'm writing this at
3:45 am so whatever.
 

Dyyne

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what do you mean???
who's doing the counterpicking? the oli or the opponent?
Rofl, the point of the thread was to find counterpick stages against oli. And since Japes is banned, frigate is likely to be the counterpick, because it isn't that good (when compared to other stages) for olimar.
 

BlackWaltzX

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On japes, you stay on a platform your enemy is not on after they pass 20%.
On the tiny platforms, when the timer is not saying "Watch out, klaptrap", you go beneath it and upair if they are on the stage.


Basic steps.
0%, combo them.
20% or higher, different platform 'wait around'.
100% kill. (With dsmash)
 

Dyyne

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I dunno. Ghost pikmin is more frequent there, but still not that frequent. It has still never happened to me there. Not to mention that walk off areas allow for easy blue b-throw kills (of course they have this option as well, but the opponent isn't as effective at this). Pillared area can let you do some crazy ledge camping too. Also, the flying platform is, more or less, battlefield, but with an easier to tether edge, and you can u-air from underneath.
 

Dyyne

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Exactly, but that is why stages like frigate are used against olimar as the next best choice.
 
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