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And this is why 3DS version is clearly superior!
Or 9.
I think the biggest problem is not that some characters can abuse the blastzones, it's that the top tier can.
The top tiers are excellent on almost every legalish stage, they simply have more options that let's them adapt to all stages to some degree and still do well, although halberds low ceiling is a bit too polarizing Imo. Delfino is more manageable though due to the ceiling getting low only for a few seconds and being able to camp out those few seconds in neutral.
Okay, that's a lot of video. Any particular matches to call out?
Yeah, woops. Changed the link to the Youtube they posted (easier to go through) and added some timestamps.
Oh, they were all in doubles.
I mean if you take a look at commentary for anything out of the norm, (delfino, umbra, Castle siege, etc) it's usually just the commentators just trashing on it all game. But umbra is basically a town and city type stage with big blastzones, so people will eventually warm up to it and develop counter-play to any attempted camping.
I understand the hate against camping but what it the difference between camping that platform and camping the smashville or town and city platforms? town and city changes at roughly the same rate as UCT and UCT put you at a massive disadvantage when coming back to the stage. but commentators do this all the time some trashing new characters or dlc in general. THe most annoying thing about commentaters now is they give opinons as fact and many players take it as truths.
I agree completely. There was a match I watched on a VoD today, Little Mac vs Mario on Smashville. The vast majority of the match was Mario getting hit into the air, and retreating to platform when it went off stage to shoot fireballs repeatedly for 5 seconds at a time (none of which hit of course, it was basically just the match stopping every 15 seconds), which in my opinion is far worse than a player being given the choice to put themselves at a disadvantage after a 15 second lull once every 3 minutes.
and he Can QAC the Clock elevation and the moving platforms. Also, Everybody thinks it will be amazing for but I rather up-air my opponent 3-6 times before he Can land on BF and charge after sending them offstage (not saying UCT is bad for him, charge is still charge)
Thanks for reminding me about another issue i have. Seriously how relevant is the pikachu QAC? I hear about it all the time and i really only see it for style points. Esam MIGHT do it as a mixup but its hardly common for a pikachu (among that tiny player base it has) to use this. on stream i almost never see it used it comes accross as theorycraft to me not actual data.I really think UCT as a CP would add a lot to the game. First, having a hight ciling stage is great once só Many top/ hight Tiers are good at killing from the top, and, to be honest, BF really makes it hard to land/avoid juggles. Some up-air characters that are good at low ciling Stages also like it. The platform under UCT doesnt stay long enought to be a threat and no camping on hight plataformas is more difficult to be countered them SV/TnC's. Abou the walkoff part... Well... The best I Cant argue is by saying the stage is big enought and it ends fast enought so it isnt a problem.
On a different note: I second
On an other different note: I hate the ignorance of a lot of commentators when discussing UCT's legallity.
(Sorry for gramatical errors and lack of vocabulary. Not my first lenguage)
Edit: Also autocorrect doesnt make anything easier, thats why u will see random words with accent or capital letter.
This is something rather situational, even on BF ESAM seems to be mostly using it for styling over it being practical. It definitly has it's uses but it'll be quite a while before it becomes used more. Probably is a non-issue really.
It's possible against immobile characters to camp, like Kirby or rob (idk about this one, he never dj onto the tree.). But a character like Diddy or wario can catch you very quickly, and you need the right tools to even atempt a timeout, like falco illusion. But idk the exact counterplay possible, as people just let me camp without challenging me at all.
People also let others recover without really challenging it, a lot of them not even challenge the snap vulnerability, but that's not the stages' fault, not even the game's.
Trust me... That is not what you want.
Should I ask why not?
Because nobody would care
Woolly World is unfortunately considered a no in basically every region. Most people dislike the temporary walkoffs, and the heavily air based second transformation that basically neuters ground based fighters. I'm not against it personally, but fighting for it is a lost cause at this point.
skyloft and to a extent wuhu island were screwed over from the beginning. this community doesn't do well with anything thats not traditional. there are exactly 0 reasons for delfino to be played (in some places) and skyloft to be viewed as a "causal stage" I don't know whats wrong with skyloft. But i can tell you that there's a long list of BS reasons inclusing (but not limited to):
...Battlefield, Dreamland and Miiverse aren't travelling stages, so no, the same thing doesn't apply to both scenarios. A travelling stage is inherently not going to be as accepted as a stationary one; that's just competetive play 101. Minimalization of chance elements is good for competition; that's why all sports have guidelines to follow for most any possibility.
They're jank (though I may not like the term) because they're unbalanced; characters like Zamus and Shiek can have a field day for comboing people up off the top blastzone on stages like Delfino.
And that's another thing; players don't need to be forced into stages they dislike just because the minority is kicking and screaming for them to be legal because "THEY'RE TOTS NOT BAD, GUIZ". If the community as a group deems a stage unfit for competition, that's the bottom line. We're not going to force people to abandon things we've set just because the stage freedomists are demanding Delfino have tournament legal status.
And what, pray tell, does Skyloft have that lets it evade copyright issues as well as all the problems associated with travelling stages like Delfino and Wuhu?
Ban Dreamland and Town & City
Those aren't nearly as egrigious as Delfino, though. You don't see people 0-deathing characters to the top blastzone on those stages much, if at all, and those are usually easier to escape from anyways, since those blastzones aren't nearly as stage-hugging as Delfino's.
You don't see people 0-deathing characters to any blast zone on any stage much, if at all. Whether or not a death combo will happen has very little to do with the stage chosen. It has to do with the skill gap between the players. The offending player must be significantly better than his or her opponent, get in, get the setups, read the DI, react to the defender's defensive options, and finish off the other player effectively. There are multiple times in which one can escape an otherwise 0-death, on any stage. This isn't Melee, you don't have to just pray they read your DI wrong. Nairs, air dodges, super armor, even counters can get you out of one, because they're not true combos. On any stage.
This was attempted in Brawl by a group called the Unity Ruleset Committee. The project failed because many people (most notably the NY/NJ region) just didn't care and ran their own rulesets. For the most part, the rules of the game are dictated by what North American super-majors run.
Fair enough
IIRC, Wooly World was given its fair chance at the beginning, but certain matchups like Duck Hunt vs Little Mac were almost literally unplayable on it. I'm not personally a fan of banning a stage just because of a few matchups, it's just what happened.
i have no problem with that kill at all. seriously dont play near blastzones.
Don't pay too much attention to that list. It's basically just the ruleset copied from last year. It's not final by any stretch of the imagination.
My thoughts? Well my reaction to the stagelist was...
