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I'm getting the impression this entire post is meant to spark a feud, given the incendiary language, but I wont let that deter me from as calm a response as possible.
Honestly, it isnt complex, no, but it already leaves some people out of the creation game, I guarantee it. I have to explain various aspects of technology to consumers on a regular basis. Editors (the programs, not the people), and apps overall, just bring up a wall in some people, and not always those over 40 or 50, either. It's just not everyones strong suit.
this option is already on the game... i dont remember the button, but is explained on the editor's in game instruction manual.
i think you are over complicating it.
I'm not overcomplicating at all.
I doubt an extra button (that works just like the others) would be a barrier of entry for most people. The problem would lie in indicating the start and respawn points. If you place them there by default or as they become applicable then first time players are left pondering what they're there for or what they do, and why they appeared without the player placing them specifically. If they just aren't placed until the player places them then the player will probably get annoyed when the editor won't let them test until they place four to eight start points and mess around with respawn points especially since they may not be ready to mess with such things yet.
One extra button? Well- we do already have, what, seven buttons?
The stage editor is not a feature used by 40- and 50-year-old technophobes.
Yeah... my statement was specifically that some who are less apt at technology are not always over 40.
A button to set respawn locations is not complicating anything. It has so little amount of options that it would take at least 10 more buttons to start to become complicate. The game already provides tons of customization only to create a new ruleset, people are not ********, and people that has problems in create stages shouldnt really be considered, cause they would not create anything really decent anyway, and they dont need to use what already have default settings. Considering that this would be one of the most simple features in a Stage Builder, in a console that is just about to receive a Mario Maker 2.0, it has even less reasons to not happen.
Again, this sounds like the words of someone who has not had to explain technology or user interfaces to those who don't understand.
You are acting like if our grandmas would be the ones interested in create stages with a stage builder. To assume that an adition of a new button would be terrible. It's almost surreal. They could add that and so many things, and people would explore the feature and create amazing things, and it would still be far from complex, or even far of the complexity of a Mario Maker or Little Big Planet (of course it doesnt need to be so complex too). Even the paint app on Windows can be more complex than what it is today. It's funny, because draw lines and squares and paint them is fine, add a video editor to mix clips is fine too, but select a place for the characters to begin is too much... for some reason in your mind because... it would need a new button and interface is complicated and the human mind cant deal with a new button... too complex..
You're making an argument that things can get too complex and turn away potential users. Everyone here understands that. We're telling you that the stage editor is nowhere near that level yet, and to think that adding basic features onto it will cross that threshold is an absurd argument.
First person: no, as I stated prior, I just don't think the respawn point is the singularly most important need for a stage selection. Realistically we will get more options, I don't think this is near the top of the list. I can "wrap my head around" quite a lot, I just disagree with you about the respawn point. Maybe you cannot comprehend this point?
I'm guessing is to keep the 60 fps. while smash ultimate has done wonders in optimization, is still a switch. and i'm pretty sure that stage builded stages cant get the ammount of optimization the normal stages get. thats why its tied to the stage weight i guess?
On this note, I've noticed custom stages playing significantly laggier on average in online arenas. My experience, at least.
mr. "mullet boy avatar" over here is acting perfectly reasonable was said nothing objectionable about you in the post you're quoting. Also, lay off with the ageism, tone copper. Not a good look.
Yeah. If you're quoting a Strawman in the woods, it must be true!
My point was that your comment was opposing a strawman. We're not arguing that it's the most important addition; we're arguing over whether it should be added at all.
The point made by other people (and referenced by you) was that the MOST IMPORTANT thing to add was a respawn point.
Ah, my mistake then. Carry on.
Well, obviously things have priorities. Of course that the most important thing is well, the game at first must work. Secondly, must create stages, and then, they need to add other features. The other features are the ones that will add quality for the thing. If you give power to people to create stages with any kind of geometry, you need to allow the creators to select where the player needs to respawn. The way it is today, people are doing workarounds to fix a problem that exists, that the players are first needing to die or reach some place of the stages just to start to play on it as they were intended. Of course it's not the most important feature, but its a required feature anyway.
Can you give a bit more context as to how the fill-in-the-texture works? That is quite impressive.It would be great if textures had some random content such as in Worms WMD, they do a great job creating a "realistic" landscape to fill up random forms.
Possibly this would be only on dreams XD.
Grid.
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, is that limit other people based on a simple intuition that adding more basics functionality might discourage people that aren't confident in technology is absurd. It doesn't help anyone, it's just the kind of mindset that drag humanity down. Instead of encouraging mediocrity and complacency in blandness, it would be better for anyone to be able to do better things with stage builder. Seeing great stages will create interest and even people that might have hard time with stage builder (though I doubt it since it's far from being complex) will try to improve to create great stages too.Totally agree with you and, as mentioned above, the (re)spawn should fix issue of "normal" stage as well. And, as I said in other post, they could use the "playlist feature" for Stage builder so you can select several songs to be played instead of just one.
Yeah a fast-forward preview would be great when it comes to platform that are moving slowly. Or just to see if the physics you gave to your stage doesn't have any issue for several minutes. Copy/Paste & Eraser have been mentioned a lot, I'd really appreciate if they'd add it in future update. As of now, we cannot switch a direction of a rail that already exist, we need to delete and create another one to do that... Also being able to change some basics characteristics such as background/size is something I want since SSB4 and sadly, it's still missing. I just totally agree with your whole post.
Yeah, I agree with a handful of stuff on here. And I don’t really see why some people think adding any of these things will make it too complex too use for most people, because right now the stage builder is quite easy and lacks the correct pieces to truly make something cool. I don’t really think it’s ok when some people try to act like the stage builder would be too difficult for people when like you said above, people will be encouraged to use it if they see the cool stuff other people have done.
There is not currently any way to change where players spawn and it's one of the top complaints people have been voicing.
This is true. I suspect that the weight limit is still intrusive as it is in order to keep load times reasonable. You can't exactly optimize infinite possibilities in a game meant for fixed stages.
It also comes down to what the Switch itself can handle. I made a stage with lots of small gravity-affected objects that can't really run, even within the object limit and with only two players.
I notice one tweek I hope they make in future updates is starting placements. So I just made 50M from Donkey Kong (aka Pie Factory) and its relatively to scale. Here is an image.
The problem is the starting point puts you right next to the fire pit in the center stage. So P1 and P2 are shoved right into the trap and take a lot of damage right when the match starts. Now they may already have this but I can't find out how to change it.
Ditto with my "Caliburn" stage — players 1 and 2 spawn uncomfortably close to the blade, which I coated with lava because, well, touching the sharp part of a blade bigger than your body should hurt.