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It should be working now.
Once you've collected enough samples you may want to look into combining the stage predictions into some sort of bar graph. A bunch of pie charts makes it hard to compare how people feel about individual stages.
I was going to post an analysis of the data. The pie charts are they for you to looks at for the time being, unless you can tell me how to switch it in Google Forms.
Mario Circuit has some pretty interesting results. I was giving reasons in the Sakurai post for why it should be a counterpick, so I probably changed some people's minds, at least from banned to maybe.
It's on there.
It is posted in the subreddit! That where the majority of the responses are coming from assumably.
I haven't played Brawl in ages, never competitively, and even I knew the lava could be shielded/spotdodged.
I was also pleasantly surprised at how many people are actually willing to give it a chance. I put in "I need to play on it" myself. As much as I do think it looks like a great stage, I still think there could be potential for unfair play. But no one should write it off just yet I believe.
I didn't know, and I probably played Brawl more than Melee. Probably because I hardly played Norfair because of the lava in the first place.
I definitely want to test it more. It looks like it could be quite a good counterpick.
Very good analysis. I'm a little more skeptical then you about some of these stages, (like Garden of Hope), but overall, this makes good points.
Most of the stages in the "likely banned" section that are better than the stages in the "likely legal" or "I need to play on it" were probably because of ignorance to how the stage works.
I'm not actually that for garden or hope, but I'm optimistic. Of the ones I analyzed I think Big Battlefield, Mario Circuit (Wii U), Luigi's Mansion, Norfair, Orbital Gate Assault, Pokemon Stadium 2, Wuhu Island, and Windy Hill should definitely be legal. The ones with walk-offs really depend on how the community reacts to walk-offs this time around. The rest could be used, but aren't to tragic to do without.
I'll just say I'm in favor of FLSS over making a distinction between starters and counterpicks and leave it at that for fear of going off topic. There's another thread for discussing stage selection procedure.
I'm surprised that none of there stages are unanimously banned
just like how FD/Battlefield/Smashville don't have 100% legal, those don't have 100% banned due to joke/troll votes
It would likely be extremely high percents on legal stages for melee. For brawl it would likely be Extremely high percents for some legal stages, and then slightly above 50% for the rest of the legal stages and some banned stages.
I'm inclined to agree. Some like Kalos Pokemon League are probably beyond saving (even though I still like it) but I'd still want to do some formal research to get kill percents and stuff on the record. Mushroom Kingdom U depends heavily on Nabbit and how easy it is to deal with. Jungle Hijinxs is another one I would like to see attempted but if I'm being honest don't really expect to work out in the long run. (But if it does I'll be pleasantly surprised.)
Coliseum seems to be the favorite among walk-offs, probably because the platforms come out and go into the ground as opposed to the ceiling like in Wii Fit Studio.
Makes sense. There's precedent in the 3DS version for the platforms to vanish before reaching the blast line (Arena Ferox and Prism Tower, specifically) but that's whatever.
It's Delfino Plaza without water and Meta Shark isn't a demon anymore so I see no reason to ban it.
I think given the amount of neutral-ish stages we have, having these clearly not neutral-ish and at best borderline stages isn't necessary.
I'd normally agree, but woth the removal of certain mechanics, such as chaingrabs and wall-infinites, there are A LOT of stages that have the possibility of being legal and the tournaments would only have more diversity.
But you should have as many stages as possible. The more stages there are the more balanced the game will be. And how can you tell me without even playing on it that Skyloft has an average matchup farther from 50:50 then lets say Final Destination. It would require years of thorough testing to figure out that kind of data. All you do to the meta game by banning stages that don't need to be banned is hurt it and cause it to be centralized around a few characters. How can you say that all of these stages make the match longer without playing on them? Almost none of these stages have random elements and the ones that do is simply an order of transformations. For the order, it doesn't matter that its randomized since most matches will go through an entire loop anyways, you should be prepared to fight on all of them, and the background often indicates whats happening. Do a couple of maps that people wanted allow for camping, probably. If it is actually shown to be a problem in actual competitive play through many many repetitions then it can be banned. You know what stages also support camping, pretty much all of them. Its obvious that players do want these stages legal.
I think the reason so many people voted Yoshi's Island legal is because we didn't realize it was Yoshi's Island Melee and not Yoshi's Island Brawl. I know I made that mistake.
That's not necessarily true btw. The stage list can affect the viability of some characters, and more stages can mean more bad stages for those characters. Little Mac is the most obvious example. A liberal stagelist will hurt his viability a lot.
Depends on the stages added... If, for example, Wii Fit Studio and Colisseum are legal, Mac would be OP
Well I specified its for the Wii U version, and linked a list of stages at the top. It wasn't possible to put pictures of the stages.
You could've at least wrote which game that the Yoshi's Island stage is from like this: Yoshi's Island (Melee)
Much like how 3 of the 4 starters stages in Melee are essentially a variation of Battlefield
I completely agree, they became ridiculously better after the Broken Knight thing and more stages (at least from the start) would be much better to balance things out. With the removal of chaingrabs and wall-infinites, the stagelist for Smash U tourneys will certainly be much bigger than any other Smash title.
I definitely agree that we should not attempt to tweak the game balance by messing with the stage list. That's super stupid and leads to all kinds of unintended consequences. The stagelist should be chosen based on what creates a dynamic and exciting metagame. However, I personally feel that janky stages create a less exciting metagame. Most of the time when people want a stage banned it's not because they're no fun or can't adapt, it's because those stages are fundamentally not balanced for competitive play and lead to the abuse of boring strategies that just aren't fun or exciting.
If you really want to go that route then we should ban every stage except FD and maybe Battlefield. They are the only stages in the entire series without something going on, however minor, and FD in particular is the only Sakurai-approved "competitive" stage.
I think you meant 4 (FoD, Dreamland, Yoshi's Story, and Battlefield) of the 5 (Final Destination).
janky is not a real world, and also is not a reason to ban a stage (I'd guess if you gave me an example you'd say Wooly World? Complete guess, sorry if I'm wrong). But you are right about banning stages that abuse boring strategies that aren't fun or exciting, such as banning Temple for Circle Camping.
No, there are other stages that are clearly fair and introduce some interesting elements to the game. For example, I am totally fine with stages like Prism Tower and Smashville.
Wooly World does look pretty jank. I'll try it out, but my hopes aren't high.
