jweb22
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What do you mean? GF tells Sakurai what Pokemon he's allowed to use as playable, so how would they have had nothing to say regarding Jigglypuff?
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Woolly World hype!!
Uh... "the biggest change in the Pokemon franchise" would probably be the addition of mega evolutions, not an eighteenth type of Pokemon. Even then, it feels like Sylveon was promoted as the mascot of sorts for Fairy type Pokemon, not Jiggs. Also, from what I understand, Jigglypuff isn't appearing in the anime or the movies anymore, so I find the idea that TPC "won't allow Sakurai to cut Jigglypuff" to be pretty silly, especially considering he's already cut Squirtle and Ivysaur.
In the end, I think she'll make it in anyway, but if only one more Pokemon could be added, I think Mewtwo would receive priority here. IIRC, there are only two Pokemon that received two mega evolutions, one of them is Mewtwo and the other one is already confirmed....
NickerBocker
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Take into consideration Her dev time. She doesnt take long to create, due to her simplistic design and moveset modelling. Granted, this wouldnt be a good reason alone to include her, but it is certainly attractive because she does have a unique moveset that can beef up the roster in a short time.
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Would she have some moves similar to Zelda and Mewtwo of some sort?
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Guys, try to stay on topic please. Talk about Jiggly if she can be related to a leak, but otherwise take your discussion about her elsewhere.
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Not-so-daily reminder that you guys shouldn't venture into character-specific discussion in this thread. Cuts not having anything to do with leaks but out of personal preference are akin to spam here.
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Imagine a Smash Bros without Mario or Luigi?
On a more serious note, I didn't realize one of our mods had spoken with Sal. The fact that he isn't publicly sharing what he found out makes me feel like he likely got some interesting details that shed more light on Sal's leaks. I sure would like to be in on that information!
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Warning Received
I'm not gonna argue what was a bigger change since this isn't a Pokemon forum. But why when Sakurai said he wanted to focus on certain uniqueness of characters would he cut a character that can now get reworked thanks to Fairy typing just to have 3 mega evolution characters...that doesn't make sense at all. Lets look at the current Pokemon on the roster and how they represent the 2 new games X and Y.
Pikachu - Pokemon mascot and only Pokemon in the game with a voice actor.
Lucario - According to Pokemon history, was the first Pokemon to ever mega evolve.
Charizard - Fan favorite from Gen 1 that was also able to be picked after you chose a Gen 6 starter. Also, 2 mega evolutions.
Greninja - Fan favorite final evolution of the Gen 6 starters.
Possible characters
Jigglypuff - One of the first 4 Pokemon revealed to be Fairy type, Original 12 Smash character
Mewtwo - 2 mega evolutions. Cut from roster during Brawl.
I'm sorry to all the hardcore Mewtwo fans, but if Pokemon doesn't have 6 characters this time around...evidence points to Jigglypuff getting in before Mewtwo.
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Eevee =/= Sylveon.
Also, we had both Munchlax AND Snorlax as Pokeball Pokemon in Brawl.
praline
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I'm gonna go with a firm... no.
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Yeah as Pokeball Pokemon! Not as Playable Pokemon and Pokeball Pokemon.
Superyoshiom
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Tbh, I like playing as Jiggles, the only problem here is that there's a theory that Pokemon can only take up 5 roster spots because that's how many Mario reps there are, and so it will be a fight between Mewtwo and Jigglypuff for the last spot. Part of the original 12 or not, Mewtwo is infinitely more deserving and popular than Jigglypuff, though I'd like to see both.
Edit: Saw the posts above, sorry, going to stay on topic now.
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The original 12 being safe is probably true, but its a stupid rule. Jiggs blows and has no place, and if she is in that probably means 6 pokemon reps for sure, and that's a little excessive. Also Lucas should be removed. So should a star fox character.
But Sakurai is Sakurai so if anything we'll get even more star fox and mother reps
But Sakurai is Sakurai so if anything we'll get even more star fox and mother reps
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I heard a rumor that there's another Mario character, another Zelda character, Jiggs and Mewtwo are both in, there is NO random button, and the total character number is 47, which is divisible by... well, nothing.
Seriously, are there any leaks claiming anything interesting before E3? I think at this point even Sal is sick of Sal.
Seriously, are there any leaks claiming anything interesting before E3? I think at this point even Sal is sick of Sal.
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Eight Melodies
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Slippy and Mr. T lookalike guy for Smash 4
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Last off-topic post, mods.
Jigglypuff was added because she was an easy to make character from Kirby when Smash 64 development time was running out.
Seniority alone doesn't stop the possibility of Jigglypuff getting cut. But lets get back to leaks please.
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We JUST said it, people. Character/representation/general cut talk goes in the OCDT, not here.
praline
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Of course there's another Zelda character. Ganondorf hasn't been confirmed.
Deoxys911
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I quite like this rumor, though if Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon all have six characters then that means Sal's leaks are likely wrong, since all of his predictions + expected veterans (and Rosalina) = 47. Still, this is interesting; where did you hear this?
Nope. Few have had the guts to make any new "leaks" since that Direct last week.
Try telling that to people on Gamefaqs, everyone there is convinced that both of them will get in >.>
Aurora Jenny
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We need to talke a look at the remaining leaks in the list @
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has. I think we're down to 12 leaks. Also, it wouldn't prove Sal's leak wrong if we get more than 47, just the MK8 leak.
GreenReaperGod
has. I think we're down to 12 leaks. Also, it wouldn't prove Sal's leak wrong if we get more than 47, just the MK8 leak.
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TeenGirlSquad
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It's ironic that the most relevant thing we could talk about, is something we can't talk about. xD
Italian_Boy1Up
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So I'm new to the site, but I've been lurking this thread for months now. Is there any proof that the Sal leak was actually a leak? Or was he just making a guess that turned out to be correct? It just seems to me, the wording of his post seems to imply the latter.
Also (pardon me if this has already been discussed, there are too many posts on this thread to keep up with as someone who just casually lurks), has the Chrom leak been proven fake? I noticed it was taken off the live leaks, but I didn't know what was revealed to cause it to be fake.
Lastly, I noticed nobody on here seems to be discussing the "Pacman in the clouds" during the Greninja trailer, I've heard rumors going around that it's supposed to be something "we missed" in the trailer according Nintendo. I've seen no proof that Nintendo said we missed something in the trailer/direct though.
Also (pardon me if this has already been discussed, there are too many posts on this thread to keep up with as someone who just casually lurks), has the Chrom leak been proven fake? I noticed it was taken off the live leaks, but I didn't know what was revealed to cause it to be fake.
Lastly, I noticed nobody on here seems to be discussing the "Pacman in the clouds" during the Greninja trailer, I've heard rumors going around that it's supposed to be something "we missed" in the trailer according Nintendo. I've seen no proof that Nintendo said we missed something in the trailer/direct though.
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The leak that bothers me is the RosalinaX leak. If that's true on four cuts, wouldn't we technically have two with Squirtle and Ivy so far?
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Thanks for joining! I bet it'll be nice to be able to reply to the things you lurked upon.
The Chrom picture has been shown to be fake by its creator. We couldn't tell by the original picture because of the contrast, but the creator showed us the actual image and the visual seams are apparent. It was a composite of Marth's facial features, for the most part.
GreenReaperGod
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There's the post. It isn't updated or anything (we only got 2 or 3 new leaks in the past hundred pages or so).
As stated before, I'm thinking about removing the Gamefaqs PM leak. I'm not even sure if its a serious leak to be honest.
And yes, there's 12 leaks present in the post (excluding the vague one)
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Deoxys911
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I know, I said having only 47, three of which are sixth representatives for Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon, would contradict the Sal leak which says we have at least 47 and none of those first 47 are sixth representatives.
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I was going to do this earlier but real life comes first. I'm going to post this one last thing and leave it at that. In the end, it does matter because the roster is what it is and the people here aren't going to change their minds no matter what. The problem with the rumor is that people want to believe it that evidence get twisted or ignored.
When you analyze anything, you review the facts and date, and then make a conclusion. With this rumor, the stance has been to come to a conclusion then try to fit the evidence to the conclusion. You can see this in numerous situations. This is what we call confirmation bias. What is confirmation bias you ask? Well,
In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.
Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.
So basically, confirmation bias is when you try to prove your own conclusion first and skew the rest. It's no surprise that when confronted with specific issues with the leak, that it's believers attempt to rationalize it away rather than look at it first. As I mentioned before, there are three major issues that this rumor runs into. One of the most drastic of those was the fact that the characters were not shown at E3 despite the rumor specifically saying they were to be shown. If we apply the same criteria that is applied to other rumors, you'd assume that it might not be true, as something he said would happen didn't. What many people did was assume that the characters were pushed back and they would be shown at a later date. While possible, it's not very probably as it is more likely that the characters were not to be shown at the event than Nintendo removing the reveals at the last minute. Not to mention that Pac-Man and Mii were not shown despite the fact that they would have been far enough along to show almost a year ago if we believe the rumor.
Still don't believe me? Consider the Greninja reveal. After it, many people here said "He got Greninja right!" That is actually an incorrect statement. He never said "Greninja" would be in. He specifically said "Pokemon from Pokemon X and Y" (link if you don't believe me). This is very different. He didn't get Greninja right. He was right that there was a Pokemon from Pokemon X and Y." However, what people did was assume he knew the character when he never specifically said that character was in the game. This is confirmation bias. People want to believe the leak is real, so they skew the information to fit their ideas. Here, he was assumed to have gotten Greninja right, even though he never said Greninja. He only said a new Pokemon from X and Y was coming. This is looking at the conclusion before the evidence. Instead, let's consider the evidence. He didn't state that a character would be added but a character from a group would be. With many of his other characters, he was specific. But here, he is not. Also, if he has a credible source, then the source would know the characters names. If he knew what the character looked like, then he would have been able to describe the character "He's a Pokemon. He's blue, a frog with a tongue scarf." Conversely, how would the leaker only know that he was from Pokemon X/Y and not know his name or what he looked like. He would probably have to know who he was to identify that he was from a specific game. Based on this, it doesn't seem very likely that he would have a source because he didn't have a name or description. In fact, it seems more likely that he didn't have any information, and "Pokemon from X and Y" was a safe guess. it would make sense because while you can be specific with Shulk and Plautena, it's hard to do the same with Pokemon. In the new game, it could be any one of 70 characters, and that's a lot of chances you could be wrong. It's safe to say there will be a new Pokemon, and it would likely be true because every Smash game has added a new Pokemon. No surprise he was right and no surprise everyone eat it up when Greninja was announced. So let's take a look at the three issues I brought up before
"But Smashchu! What about Wii Fit Trainer? He got that right." That is true. However, it was likely a lucky guess. "How can you say that. Isn't it silly and preposterous that he just guessed this character." Not necessarily. It has been shown that Wii Fit Trainer was talked about somewhat. However, it's not unreasonable to think that someone got her right. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of predictions made. It's possible that someone got that character right. Also, when you look a all the other evidence, it seems more likely he made it up rather than he had a source and there are a lot of suspicious instances. Again, it's weighting the evidence. What happened is that him and others committed the Texas Shapshooter Fallacy. I've mentioned it before here, but here is a quick refresher. It stems from a shooter firing at a barn. When he noticed the shots clustered, he drew a target on it. The same happened here. When he got an character not many people thought of, he drew the target. Just because he got something right doesn't mean he has inside information. Especially when you consider what I mentioned before. Also, it's not unlikely for people to guess characters. On 4Chan, minutes before, someone posted that "Suppose a new Pokemon was announced, who do you want." and he posted a picture of Greninja. Of course, he did better than Sal did, but no one thought he had inside information.
There are other things as well. One thing to look back is the Chaos Zero leak. He knew characters specific names and other content in the game (Final Destination, Stage Builder, and the Dragoon). Sal only said characters and nothing else which is unlikely because if someone had inside information, they would know more than just character names. Other rumors had similar information like character's abilities or other game content. Also, Sal's last rumor was done right before a direct. It seems strange that the guy would wait 10 months before giving more info, and do it right before Nintendo gives more info. Many people questions why he would lie. It would hurt his site's reputation. It's because it's click bait. Basically, the rumors exist for traffic. Here is what I mean. The website is beat by GameXplain and Malstrom's blog for numbers of searches. Note that Malstrom hasn't posted much recently. In otherwords, Sal's website is very no name. How can you improve searches? Why, have a fake rumor of course. And since he got Wii Fit Trainer right, it's even better. Now you can drive hits to your site. Why did he get information before the direct. Because the direct would bring in more hits for Smash info. It's also why he had a lot of safe guesses. So long as none of those characters are specifically deconfirmed, it's no problem.
You may wonder where I'm getting some of these later ideas from. Again, it all stems for the fact that I considered the evidence first, then drew a conclusion. Even though he got WFT right, there were still a lot of other issues that didn't make sense. Weighting the evidence, it seemed more likely he didn't know anything and was able to guess. It them drew from there and I can explain some more of the other small inconsistencies (why doesn't he have other information, why did the last leak come hours before the direct and not any time else in the last 10 months). It also explains why he made an account on Smashboards to make 1 post after the characters weren't shown at E3. One of the things about confirmation bias is that it usually happens when emotions take over. It's no surprise that a lot of people celebrated after Greninja came out and they can claim "They leak is true. See. See." The people here want it to be true. This is also why there is this double standard where if the littlest thing is wrong, the rumor is false whereas when this was wrong everyone ignored it. Looking back at the Brawl leaks, everyone hated them because they didn't fit what they wanted for the game. So much so that mods actually deleted them. I suspect there will be more of an outcry when a real leak comes though. I also expect many of the people listening to this one would be upset if such a situation occurred. To close, don't jump the gun. People were smart with the Plautena leak because they tried to disprove it first. By being unable to do so, they gave it credibility. It's credibility was earned, not assumed.
Well, that's that. There may be some editing and other issues I missed, but I need to head to bed. I wont really reply to this unless there is a question. Again, people who believe the leak wont change their minds and the roster will be whatever it is regardless. Till next time!
When you analyze anything, you review the facts and date, and then make a conclusion. With this rumor, the stance has been to come to a conclusion then try to fit the evidence to the conclusion. You can see this in numerous situations. This is what we call confirmation bias. What is confirmation bias you ask? Well,
In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.
Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.
So basically, confirmation bias is when you try to prove your own conclusion first and skew the rest. It's no surprise that when confronted with specific issues with the leak, that it's believers attempt to rationalize it away rather than look at it first. As I mentioned before, there are three major issues that this rumor runs into. One of the most drastic of those was the fact that the characters were not shown at E3 despite the rumor specifically saying they were to be shown. If we apply the same criteria that is applied to other rumors, you'd assume that it might not be true, as something he said would happen didn't. What many people did was assume that the characters were pushed back and they would be shown at a later date. While possible, it's not very probably as it is more likely that the characters were not to be shown at the event than Nintendo removing the reveals at the last minute. Not to mention that Pac-Man and Mii were not shown despite the fact that they would have been far enough along to show almost a year ago if we believe the rumor.
Still don't believe me? Consider the Greninja reveal. After it, many people here said "He got Greninja right!" That is actually an incorrect statement. He never said "Greninja" would be in. He specifically said "Pokemon from Pokemon X and Y" (link if you don't believe me). This is very different. He didn't get Greninja right. He was right that there was a Pokemon from Pokemon X and Y." However, what people did was assume he knew the character when he never specifically said that character was in the game. This is confirmation bias. People want to believe the leak is real, so they skew the information to fit their ideas. Here, he was assumed to have gotten Greninja right, even though he never said Greninja. He only said a new Pokemon from X and Y was coming. This is looking at the conclusion before the evidence. Instead, let's consider the evidence. He didn't state that a character would be added but a character from a group would be. With many of his other characters, he was specific. But here, he is not. Also, if he has a credible source, then the source would know the characters names. If he knew what the character looked like, then he would have been able to describe the character "He's a Pokemon. He's blue, a frog with a tongue scarf." Conversely, how would the leaker only know that he was from Pokemon X/Y and not know his name or what he looked like. He would probably have to know who he was to identify that he was from a specific game. Based on this, it doesn't seem very likely that he would have a source because he didn't have a name or description. In fact, it seems more likely that he didn't have any information, and "Pokemon from X and Y" was a safe guess. it would make sense because while you can be specific with Shulk and Plautena, it's hard to do the same with Pokemon. In the new game, it could be any one of 70 characters, and that's a lot of chances you could be wrong. It's safe to say there will be a new Pokemon, and it would likely be true because every Smash game has added a new Pokemon. No surprise he was right and no surprise everyone eat it up when Greninja was announced. So let's take a look at the three issues I brought up before
- He never stated he had a source until after the characters were revealed. It was a prediction up until that point.
- He stated the characters were to be shown at E3, but the characters were not shown at E3. Two characters have yet to be seen.
- He stated a Pokemon from X and Y would be included instead of saying a specific character (Here, Greninja)
"But Smashchu! What about Wii Fit Trainer? He got that right." That is true. However, it was likely a lucky guess. "How can you say that. Isn't it silly and preposterous that he just guessed this character." Not necessarily. It has been shown that Wii Fit Trainer was talked about somewhat. However, it's not unreasonable to think that someone got her right. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of predictions made. It's possible that someone got that character right. Also, when you look a all the other evidence, it seems more likely he made it up rather than he had a source and there are a lot of suspicious instances. Again, it's weighting the evidence. What happened is that him and others committed the Texas Shapshooter Fallacy. I've mentioned it before here, but here is a quick refresher. It stems from a shooter firing at a barn. When he noticed the shots clustered, he drew a target on it. The same happened here. When he got an character not many people thought of, he drew the target. Just because he got something right doesn't mean he has inside information. Especially when you consider what I mentioned before. Also, it's not unlikely for people to guess characters. On 4Chan, minutes before, someone posted that "Suppose a new Pokemon was announced, who do you want." and he posted a picture of Greninja. Of course, he did better than Sal did, but no one thought he had inside information.
There are other things as well. One thing to look back is the Chaos Zero leak. He knew characters specific names and other content in the game (Final Destination, Stage Builder, and the Dragoon). Sal only said characters and nothing else which is unlikely because if someone had inside information, they would know more than just character names. Other rumors had similar information like character's abilities or other game content. Also, Sal's last rumor was done right before a direct. It seems strange that the guy would wait 10 months before giving more info, and do it right before Nintendo gives more info. Many people questions why he would lie. It would hurt his site's reputation. It's because it's click bait. Basically, the rumors exist for traffic. Here is what I mean. The website is beat by GameXplain and Malstrom's blog for numbers of searches. Note that Malstrom hasn't posted much recently. In otherwords, Sal's website is very no name. How can you improve searches? Why, have a fake rumor of course. And since he got Wii Fit Trainer right, it's even better. Now you can drive hits to your site. Why did he get information before the direct. Because the direct would bring in more hits for Smash info. It's also why he had a lot of safe guesses. So long as none of those characters are specifically deconfirmed, it's no problem.
You may wonder where I'm getting some of these later ideas from. Again, it all stems for the fact that I considered the evidence first, then drew a conclusion. Even though he got WFT right, there were still a lot of other issues that didn't make sense. Weighting the evidence, it seemed more likely he didn't know anything and was able to guess. It them drew from there and I can explain some more of the other small inconsistencies (why doesn't he have other information, why did the last leak come hours before the direct and not any time else in the last 10 months). It also explains why he made an account on Smashboards to make 1 post after the characters weren't shown at E3. One of the things about confirmation bias is that it usually happens when emotions take over. It's no surprise that a lot of people celebrated after Greninja came out and they can claim "They leak is true. See. See." The people here want it to be true. This is also why there is this double standard where if the littlest thing is wrong, the rumor is false whereas when this was wrong everyone ignored it. Looking back at the Brawl leaks, everyone hated them because they didn't fit what they wanted for the game. So much so that mods actually deleted them. I suspect there will be more of an outcry when a real leak comes though. I also expect many of the people listening to this one would be upset if such a situation occurred. To close, don't jump the gun. People were smart with the Plautena leak because they tried to disprove it first. By being unable to do so, they gave it credibility. It's credibility was earned, not assumed.
Well, that's that. There may be some editing and other issues I missed, but I need to head to bed. I wont really reply to this unless there is a question. Again, people who believe the leak wont change their minds and the roster will be whatever it is regardless. Till next time!
Bauske
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I saw this and was thinking the same thing. Maybe it's more time-sensitive material that can't be shared, but it's gonna suck if the mods know something and we don't! D:
Deoxys911
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SmashChu
I like the scientific approach you are taking, but there are a few details you forgot about in regards to the situation with Sal. First, he has leaked correct information on video games in the past, giving us all the more reason to believe that he really might have a source and have inside information about these games. Second, he e-mailed Gematsu before E3 telling them that this was inside information, so it was not that he later claimed it was real; he claimed it was real from the start but, so as not to ruin his reputation if by some chance the info turned out to be false (perhaps this source is a new one from the ones he has gotten his information from in the past?), he labeled it a "guess" instead of a leak on the forums.
SmashChu
I like the scientific approach you are taking, but there are a few details you forgot about in regards to the situation with Sal. First, he has leaked correct information on video games in the past, giving us all the more reason to believe that he really might have a source and have inside information about these games. Second, he e-mailed Gematsu before E3 telling them that this was inside information, so it was not that he later claimed it was real; he claimed it was real from the start but, so as not to ruin his reputation if by some chance the info turned out to be false (perhaps this source is a new one from the ones he has gotten his information from in the past?), he labeled it a "guess" instead of a leak on the forums.
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UberPyro64
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I'm pretty certain that you're wrong. He's definitely coming back. The only characters I could see cut are Squirtle, Ivysaur, Snake and maybe Ike.
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Why is Ridley considered non-playable? Did I miss something?
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Character discussion in the character discussion thread please.
Hey guys, I've been using this thread to keep tabs on leaks for a long time, and in light of Sal Romano's leak I'd really like to say something.
I've been a lurker on this site for a long time, since Brawl's pre-release period (I think I made an account on a now-defunct email address, but that is neither here nor there) and I really want to remind you guys about something that happened in the months leading up to Brawl coming out.
I don't remember the fine details but there was a leak that came out near the japanese release of the game that stated the game had only 35 total characters in it. We referred to it as the "35 character leak." We discounted it almost immediately. 35 was an impossibly low number, and it had ridiculous characters like Toon Link and Wolf. "Who is toon link?" people asked. Most importantly, though, it included R.O.B, which we thought was ludicrous. We didn't think he had a unique moveset capability, we figured he was more a peripheral than a real character, and we saw him in the cutscene for the Subspace Emissary that was released on the Dojo. We figured that deconfirmed him.
But months later, as japenese players got their hands on early copies, the info began to trickle out. We saw the cutscene where Ancient Minister becomes R.O.B uploaded onto YouTube and our hearts sank. This was something that to us was impossible. Despite this though, people still considered it a "lucky guess" and held out hope for as long as possible that we would get more than 35 characters (seriously this number was crazy low to us, rosters were being proposed with 45+ characters in them).
But then Wolf and Toon Link were found in the adventure mode by Japanese players. That was it. The leak was true the whole time and had been for months and months.
I have a gut feeling history could be repeating itself here. All I'm saying is, don't discount anything until it's COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY disproven. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
I've been a lurker on this site for a long time, since Brawl's pre-release period (I think I made an account on a now-defunct email address, but that is neither here nor there) and I really want to remind you guys about something that happened in the months leading up to Brawl coming out.
I don't remember the fine details but there was a leak that came out near the japanese release of the game that stated the game had only 35 total characters in it. We referred to it as the "35 character leak." We discounted it almost immediately. 35 was an impossibly low number, and it had ridiculous characters like Toon Link and Wolf. "Who is toon link?" people asked. Most importantly, though, it included R.O.B, which we thought was ludicrous. We didn't think he had a unique moveset capability, we figured he was more a peripheral than a real character, and we saw him in the cutscene for the Subspace Emissary that was released on the Dojo. We figured that deconfirmed him.
But months later, as japenese players got their hands on early copies, the info began to trickle out. We saw the cutscene where Ancient Minister becomes R.O.B uploaded onto YouTube and our hearts sank. This was something that to us was impossible. Despite this though, people still considered it a "lucky guess" and held out hope for as long as possible that we would get more than 35 characters (seriously this number was crazy low to us, rosters were being proposed with 45+ characters in them).
But then Wolf and Toon Link were found in the adventure mode by Japanese players. That was it. The leak was true the whole time and had been for months and months.
I have a gut feeling history could be repeating itself here. All I'm saying is, don't discount anything until it's COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY disproven. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Gaxel
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I was expecting:
"Hi guys, I've been a lurker here since pre-brawl and I have some info on the new Sm4sh"
Props to you.
UberPyro64
Smash Ace
I find it funny how you say Jiggs was low priority but still made it back before Mewtwo. If Jiggs is low priority then what is Mewtwo?
TeenGirlSquad
Smash Master
I agree that the Sal leak is probably true, but I think that there will be less disappointment this time.
People are already more willing to believe this leak, and I genuinely don't think it has revealed all the newcomers.
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pegguinni128
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I think I found leaked gameplay! :O
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