nickthename
Smash Apprentice
ur opinion is dum thoSure, and while I'm at it I'll teach you about the difference between opinion and fact.
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ur opinion is dum thoSure, and while I'm at it I'll teach you about the difference between opinion and fact.
Lol in 2015 y'all gonna be like "oh shiz, we should've listened to maafia..." Bruh this is gonna be fun raising luigi by myselfAnd Luigi >> Jigglypuff, that's for sure!
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Apparently sharing an opinion is spouting off, while condescending jackassary is perceived as a challenge. Judging from the responses I've gotten that seems to be what the kids think in 2015.Is that what the kids think in 2015? We can just spout whatever we want and when someone challenges us on said spout we cry, "OPINION, IT IS MINE!"
Tier lists are based on facts. Hitboxes, hurtboxes, options, recoveries, speed, etc. It's really hard to nail down those facts because smash is a fluid game and equally as difficult to present those facts in a way where everyone can agree, but they are facts.
I just want to point out ness and Luigi should be much higher. First off, IIRC, Luigi is the same as Mario except these small changes:
Luigi's fireballs are slower and do not fall-Makes them worse as you can't use them for recovering, spacing, and a lot of other things. Luigi's fireballs suck, arguably the worst projectile in the game outside of Ness's PK fire.
Mario's up-b jumps at an angle whereas Luigi goes straight up: Angled is better for ledge DI. It's also semi-easier to sweet-spot and has more angles
Luigi's down-b is slightly better recovery than Mario's: While it is more powerful, the singular hits makes it actually worse. The multiple hits of Mario's make it harder to deal with.
Luigi's up-b. I won't disagree with this but it is way worse for recovery.
Luigi's fireballs and f-smash do 1% less. I.E. they are worse
Both down-bs do 14%, however, Luigi's launches. See above, Luigi is better for kills, Mario has better for recovery. As Down b is more useful for recovery, Luigi's is worse.
Luigi's f-tilt does 13% vs Mario's 16% I.E. it's worse
Luigi's f-throw does 16% vs Mario's 12% Back throw is semi-arguably better than forward throw as you can jump on the stage and throw them back off. Luigi's is worse for this reason.
The opposite is true for their b-throws See above.
Dash attacks are different: While both aren't good
IIRC, Luigi's down taunt damages, but I can't seem to do it. The hitbox is puny, it's also not nearly as good as the later games as it has less knockback and it somehow has a smaller hitbox.
Luigi's jumps are 4/3 the height of Mario's. Makes short hops a lot worse.
Luigi is slightly slower than Mario. For every 2 seconds Mario runs, Luigi takes 2.125 seconds to run that distance. I.E. he can't run up and grab or aerial nearly as fast. Slower is worse.
Luigi's up-b goes slightly higher. It's still worse for recovery as it only has 1 hit,.
Luigi's down tilt is weaker but faster. Mario's has better knockback.
Second off, I just wanted to point out that I do much better with ness than most characters above him (except pika/Kirby) so he has to be OKAY Just because you do well with Ness doesn't mean Ness is good. Tier lists apply specifically for top/high level play. The last time a top Ness even placed well in a top level tournament outside of J version where Ness is better is Apex 2013. Don't bother with tier lists much below this outside of Pikachu/Kirby being the easy top 2.
Heheheheheh get it? Ness? OKAY???
No? Fine I'll leave
EDIT: also does anyone know how to get a popo melee icon in your sig? FYI, it's for premium members only in terms of profile. Otherwise, see the other comment
have you met this community? smash 64 players are dumbThis is literally so bad. Worst tier list ive ever seen.
Your reasoning for Samus and Ness being up there with Mario and Jiggs and above DK. I don't particularly hate it, but just curious on what recently makes this the case in your opinion?S
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