[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Luigi The President]

It definitely wasn't speculation.

In fact, I'd say we never saw it coming. We should honestly use the Game Awards as a case study for doubt.

 

[Deleted member]

We've yet to see a character being used as bait for Smash though. We don't even know how the Prime rumors started or if it was actually started by Nintendo. Just because there was no Prime at VGA, doesn't mean Ersrick is leak bait, we're too far down this rabbit hole for him to not be it.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

We've yet to see a character being used as bait for Smash though. We don't even know how the Prime rumors started or if it was actually started by Nintendo. Just because there was no Prime at VGA, doesn't mean Ersrick is leak bait, we're too far down this rabbit hole for him to not be it.

I mean; who's to say they wouldn't go that far? This is Square we are dealing with. It's not much of a stretch at all to heavily consider the possibility imo.

 

[Luigi The President]

We've yet to see a character being used as bait for Smash though. We don't even know how the Prime rumors started or if it was actually started by Nintendo. Just because there was no Prime at VGA, doesn't mean Ersrick is leak bait, we're too far down this rabbit hole for him to not be it.

Doesn't have to be a character to be leakbait. Just the precedent of Prime being used as leakbait establishes that Nintendo is using unorthodox methods this time around specifically for Smash DLC.

As someone who believes we are indeed too far down the rabbit hole for it not to be Erdrick, he could be the craziest leakbait Nintendo's ever pulled (less than 1% chance) or our character (this is the right option) but there really is that miniscule chance.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

If anyone can explain how Erdrick could fit into the current Brave stats in a way that makes sense; I'm willing to concede that he's the frontrunner at the moment.

 

[Luigi The President]

If anyone can explain how Erdrick could fit into the current Brave stats in a way that makes sense; I'm willing to concede that he's the frontrunner at the moment.

IDK why the easily change-able stats are stopping you, but I fail to see how he /doesn't/ fit. He has the weight of someone wearing armor, no?

 

[StormC]

Isn't Brave right next to Cloud in weight? Not seeing what the big deal is.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

IDK why the easily change-able stats are stopping you, but I fail to see how he /doesn't/ fit. He has the weight of someone wearing armor, no?

If he were to be implemented into the game, he's more of a zoner than any swordfighter on the roster.

 

[Luigi The President]

If he were to be implemented into the game, he's more of a zoner than any swordfighter on the roster.

Are you regurgitating this from Fatman or can you actually back this up dude
Also it's not like all Erdrick can do is swordfight from what I understand

 

[Deleted member]

Are you regurgitating this from Fatman or can you actually back this up dude
Also it's not like all Erdrick can do is swordfight from what I understand

But in most artwork hes holding a sword so that means he's literally only capable of using a sword. Obviously.

 

[kirby3021]

If he were to be implemented into the game, he's more of a zoner than any swordfighter on the roster.

Two other points that were brought up earlier in this thread also throw a bit of confusion on it for me - according to the current stats, Brave is floaty and slides. It seems his movement profile fits a psychic character more than any of the existing sword users. These could easily change, but it is something to consider.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

But in most artwork hes holding a sword so that means he's literally only capable of using a sword. Obviously.

I'm not saying that, obviously. But it would be a misrepresentation of Erdrick if the sword and the big ass shield weren't the foundation of his moveset. It's like if Link fought mainly with ocarina spells. It's somthing he does; but it's not what he's KNOWN for. He's known for the master sword; and lately he's been getting into archery as well. That's what makes Link, Link.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm not saying that, obviously. But it would be a misrepresentation of Erdrick if the sword and the big *** shield weren't the foundation of his moveset. It's like if Link fought mainly with ocarina spells. It's somthing he does; but it's not what he's KNOWN for. He's known for the master sword; and lately he's been getting into archery as well. That's what makes Link, Link.

They can be the foundation and not comprise the entire thing.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not saying that, obviously. But it would be a misrepresentation of Erdrick if the sword and the big *** shield weren't the foundation of his moveset. It's like if Link fought mainly with ocarina spells. It's somthing he does; but it's not what he's KNOWN for. He's known for the master sword; and lately he's been getting into archery as well. That's what makes Link, Link.

Except it's literally not?
The trademark of Dragon Quest protagonists is being a jack of all trades, as I've stated before. They could make an entire moveset with zero sword moves and absolutely nothing would be out of place. Please don't make assumptions about things you don't know or care about.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Verge was super sure about Incineroar tho. He isn't about Erdrick. He just agrees is the most heard name but he is not acting anywhere close to how he did with Incineroar to the point he was teasing people for doubting him on that specific character.

Good point, it's a major difference between Incineroar and Erdrick's case. Plus, at the time, Verge still had a perfect track record in regard to Ultimate. Currently, for DLC we don't have a leaker with this level of credibility anymore. On the other hand tho, the codename is a more precise hint for Erdrick than the empty slot on the box was for Incineroar... i should have pointed out that even if the situations are similar, they are different on some points.

Also yeah, if it's not Erdrick, people backing it up so blindly due to simply echoing of the name, they are gonna look all like idiots and learn why they shouldn't be parroting whatever that comes from somewhat believable sources, lol.

I guess this is another possibility, i mean the fact that the name (Erdrick) would have been heard a lot due echoing/parroting among insiders. Basically, if the multiple insiders all took the info from the same singular source, it would be way less credible than if they all heard it from their own different sources (as some would say, it could be 'piggybacking'). Btw i don't have a horse in this race, i'm just exploring different possibilities here.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Except it's literally not?
The trademark of Dragon Quest protagonists is being a jack of all trades, as I've stated before. They could make an entire moveset with zero sword moves and absolutely nothing would be out of place. Please don't make assumptions about things you don't know or care about.

That's certainly not how he's marketed. He's marketed as: Big Shield + Sword + Armor. That's what most of his move set would be. Obviously special move's are free game, but that's what he would be built around, just like Simon is built around his whip and Samus is built around her blaster. And Brave is too weird and floaty to fit.

 

[Luigi The President]

That's certainly not how he's marketed. He's marketed as: Big Shield + Sword + Armor. That's what most of his move set would be. Obviously special move's are free game, but that's what he would be built around, just like Simon is built around his whip and Samus is built around her blaster. And Brave is too weird and floaty to fit.

Not to be rude but Opti you hate the hell out of Erdrick so I don't know why you're trying to act as though you know for a fact he's too "floaty and weird" to fit

 

[osby]

A character can both make heavy use of their sword in their normals and be unique at the same time.

Just because some people can differentiate Cloud and Robin's movesets from Marth doesn't mean they aren't creative.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean; who's to say they wouldn't go that far? This is Square we are dealing with. It's not much of a stretch at all to heavily consider the possibility imo.

Doesn't have to be a character to be leakbait. Just the precedent of Prime being used as leakbait establishes that Nintendo is using unorthodox methods this time around specifically for Smash DLC.

As someone who believes we are indeed too far down the rabbit hole for it not to be Erdrick, he could be the craziest leakbait Nintendo's ever pulled (less than 1% chance) or our character (this is the right option) but there really is that miniscule chance.

The problem is that we've had three events that are completely unrelated that point towards Erdrick, unlike what most people think, neither Nintendo nor Square can plan so ahead into the future.
For the data to be a deliberate setup for people to think it's Erdrick, they'd have to assume Erdrick would have be seen as "the most likely" before that but this only happened AFTER the data was already in the game.
The other 6 names are the bait and they were supposed to drive us away from Erdrick but they couodn't have foreseen the 5chan leak and the datamine.
The files basically kill any other possibility because it'd mean they're, for whatever reason, treating one of the bait names specially.

And it's not like Erdrick is an expected choice unlike most are paitning him to be. Before any of this, Sora and Geno were seen as the big hitters, no one else was seriouspy considered. It's the same thing with Incineroar considering many called him a "checking off the list" addition when no one would have seen him coming before Verge said it was the roar.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Not to be rude but Opti you hate the hell out of Erdrick so I don't know why you're trying to act as though you know for a fact he's too "floaty and weird" to fit

I mean I can objectively look at a character and his moveset, and compare it to footage that is out in the public that display his stats and how Brave genuinely moves to draw a conclusion. Don't need to be a Dragon Quest super fan to do that.

 

[StormC]

The resistance to sword users is weird since we have had a grand total of one sword-using newcomer in this game... and he was an Echo Fighter.

And no, Joker is not a swordsman either.

 

[Luigi The President]

The problem is that we've had three events that are completely unrelated that point towards Erdrick, unlike what most people think, neither Nintendo nor Square can plan so ahead into the future.
For the data to be a deliberate setup for people to think it's Erdrick, they'd have to assume Erdrick would have be seen as "the most likely" before that but this only happened AFTER the data was already in the game.
The other 6 names are the bait and they were supposed to drive us away from Erdrick but they couodn't have foreseen the 5chan leak and the datamine.
The files basically kill any other possibility because it'd mean they're, for whatever reason, treating one of the bait names specially.

And it's not like Erdrick is an expected choice unlike most are paitning him to be. Before any of this, Sora and Geno were seen as the big hitters, no one else was seriouspy considered. It's the same thing with Incineroar considering many called him a "checking off the list" addition when no one would have seen him coming before Verge said it was the roar.

Omega big thinking here Shi

 

[SpectreJordan]

Yeah and DQ is not that new to the West, not even close, so I don't think Smash will just do some miracle magic to make a big change. I can tell you the only big numbers in sales will only come from very specific and already existing DQ fans, if anything.


See guys, that's why I don't bank my thoughts on whatever Gamexplain thinks is gonna happen or thinks is debunked. They don't know everything.


Pretty much what I've been saying once or twice many pages ago. There is no common sense in SE taking the risk of actually leaking a real name among fake ones when all they want is to catch leakers + they are known for keeping secrets somewhat decently unlike other companies, so risking a real name out there is not something that makes sense at all. That being said, it would be sad if it wasn't Geno, Sora or Crono to me, but I almost want it to be a full on surprise and not be any of the 7 names, just so people learn from this already and don't repeat the same mistakes when it comes to SE leakbaiting.




I'm almost baffled Namco rep wasn't the first DLC character revealed sometimes, but Joker at TGA just made sense to be the one. I absolutely think there could, and should, be a Namco rep coming among the DLC packs. It's not just AT MIA, but also Mii Costumes MIA, such as Lloyd's. Heihachi just ended being a pac-man taunt, and Sakurai said it was too hard to work on him, since Tekken's canon gameplay is a 3D playstile and not fully sideways. But Lloyd… yeah it's weird he is not back. Either he will be playable, or come back as Mii costume alongside the true Namco DLC rep, but one way or another there has to be a Namco rep coming, IMO.

I don’t think this rules out a Tekken character. Sakurai had problems with Villager, Pac-Man & Ridley in the games before their debut.

I imagine they could implement Tekken’s 3D movement by having the character’s Down-B being a sidestep that avoids everything.

 

[Luigi The President]

I mean I can objectively look at a character and his moveset, and compare it to footage that is out in the public that display his stats and how Brave genuinely moves to draw a conclusion. Don't need to be a Dragon Quest super fan to do that.

Once again, these stats can be easily altered

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Once again, these stats can be easily altered

This argument goes both ways. Brave could easily be altered to be even LESS like Erdrick. Let's try to avoid this point, because it's a bit of a non-point.

 

[Luigi The President]

This argument goes both ways. Brave could easily be altered to be even LESS like Erdrick. Let's try to avoid this point, because it's a bit of a non-point.

I mean if we're going to avoid this point okay.
But I don't know why Sakurai is suddenly bound to go with how Erdrick is marketed for his moveset. He's a clear fan of the series and could make up something much more unique while still incorporating the sword and shield.

 

[PsySmasher]

If the stats seen in the datamine are final and do end up being Erdrick’s, I think it would indicate a more unique moveset from other swordfighters in the game already. Which would make Erdrick stand out more and possibly appeal to the Smash audience more.

Although the sliding tidbit is kinda weird. Is there any reason why Erdrick would slide that relates back to DQ in any way?

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

I mean if we're going to avoid this point okay.
But I don't know why Sakurai is suddenly bound to go with how Erdrick is marketed for his moveset. He's a clear fan of the series and could make up something much more unique while still incorporating the sword and shield.

I mean he is a fan of the series; but generally characters do not stray far into uniqueness unless it's required. (Duck Hunt, Game and Watch, Falcon, etc) For the most part; they play very close to how they play in the game. If he can make an Erdrick he feels is fitting without a special gimmick, he will because the work that comes with adding a new gimmick is a lot harder than just coming up with somthing that fits within Smash's base mechanics.

 

[osby]

I mean if we're going to avoid this point okay.
But I don't know why Sakurai is suddenly bound to go with how Erdrick is marketed for his moveset. He's a clear fan of the series and could make up something much more unique while still incorporating the sword and shield.

Tbh, using a shield significantly in his moveset would make him unique by itself. Closest thing we have to a shield fighter is Palutena with two moves and unfortunately, we're not getting Shield Knight.

 

[Deleted member]

If the stats seen in the datamine are final and do end up being Erdrick’s, I think it would indicate a more unique moveset from other swordfighters in the game already. Which would make Erdrick stand out more and possibly appeal to the Smash audience more.

Although the sliding tidbit is kinda weird. Is there any reason why Erdrick would slide that relates back to DQ in any way?

It's not like sliding is that big of a deal. There's characters with a small slide after they stop running that have no reason to, like Pac-Man.
And if the stats are that of a zoner, I can see it working for Erdrick, making him a mix of projectiles and weaponry like the Belmonts.

 

[Luigi The President]

I mean he is a fan of the series; but generally characters do not stray far into uniqueness unless it's required. (Duck Hunt, Game and Watch, Falcon, etc) For the most part; they play very close to how they play in the game. If he can make an Erdrick he feels is fitting without a special gimmick, he will because the work that comes with adding a new gimmick is a lot harder than just coming up with somthing that fits within Smash's base mechanics.

Look, alright man, but can you at least show me these stats that make him so zoner-like?

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Look, alright man, but can you at least show me these stats that make him so zoner-like?

There's a bunch of thoughtful discussion going on the Geno thread that would be hell to quote all of; so I suggest you drop in there and look around a little bit. Maybe get a fresh perspective.

 

[Deleted member]

Tbh, using a shield significantly in his moveset would make him unique by itself. Closest thing we have to a shield fighter is Palutena with two moves and unfortunately, we're not getting Shield Knight.

Something something Protector for Smash something

 

[Deleted member]

You people know that we have a character that is both zoner and a swordsman since the first game right? And we have three variations with his moveset.

Edit: Just to add, I said before that looking at stats to try and guess a character is pointless as solely the stats dont determine how the character plays. You need to know the ranges, motions of the character to perform attacks, actual dimensions of the character, specials that is has and so on.

 

[osby]

You people know that we have a zoner and a swordsman since the first game right? And we have three variations with his moveset.

How dare you imply a character can be something other than a mere swordfighter?

 

[Deleted member]

You people know that we have a zoner and a swordsman since the first game right? And we have three variations with his moveset.

You mean Shouting Marth, Young Shouting Marth and Toon Link?

 

[PsySmasher]

Tbh, using a shield significantly in his moveset would make him unique by itself. Closest thing we have to a shield fighter is Palutena with two moves and unfortunately, we're not getting Shield Knight.

As the official Granblue shiller of Smashboards, I’d insert someone from Granblue who uses a shield, just to advertise Granblue more.

But I’m too lazy to think of one right now.

 

[Luigi The President]

As the official Granblue shiller of Smashboards, I’d insert someone from Granblue who uses a shield, just to advertise Granblue more.

But I’m too lazy to think of one right now.

NO **** YOU I'VE WAITED TOO LONG FOR GRANBLUE IN SMASH NOT TO GET MY KATALINA FIX PSY

 

[PsySmasher]

NO **** YOU I'VE WAITED TOO LONG FOR GRANBLUE IN SMASH NOT TO GET MY KATALINA FIX PSY

INB4 Katalina is one of the 3 DLC characters we know absolutely nothing about.

But at the very least, there’s Granblue Fantasy Versus coming this year!

So you can main Katalina in that.

(Please announce a Switch port Cygames)
(Or at least announce more characters now instead of making us wait another 2 months for reveals when the game is supposed to come out this year)

 

[Xigger]

Didn't Sakurai himself say "Well who else, but Lloyd?" to paraphrase?

Yes. When they talked about valid Tales of options, and why Lloyd was DLC.

Context matters: Lloyd was the obvious candidate for a Tales Mii costume, while not even considered as a fighter. There's no point cherry-picking interview quotes.