Sparring Partners?

[Kinslayer]

Aha thanks man. Yeah I figured out early on that you didn't know how to handle it so well, and I used it to my advandtage lol. If you're ever up to try again, lemme know.

There isn't really a way to Handle it, It's either get hit or don't.lol I have to dance until I hit you or until you whiff. It's a really strong tool but I'll figure it out. Lol

However im always down to play man, just let me know!

 

[viewtifulduck82]

There isn't really a way to Handle it, It's either get hit or don't.lol I have to dance until I hit you or until you whiff. It's a really strong tool but I'll figure it out. Lol

However im always down to play man, just let me know!

There's plenty of ways. You could try to dance away, wait 6 seconds and then hit me, or fire projectiles until I get hit. The last option is arguably the best choice, but not every character has that luxury.

 

[Shiliski]

Usually I try to bait that. Make him think he has me and then suddenly I'm not there.

Tends to work better on randoms than on Ducky though. I bait him a few times but he lands it more often than not.

 

[Kinslayer]

There's plenty of ways. You could try to dance away, wait 6 seconds and then hit me, or fire projectiles until I get hit. The last option is arguably the best choice, but not every character has that luxury.

I was testing offensive options. Youre right I didn't know how to deal with it but I wasn't trying to avoid it. I know that running away works but it doesn't really solve e problem because even if I dance away all you need to do is read a dodge roll and neutral b then I'm gone. I was trying to see if I could engage you as Marth and take away the option. Running away is the only choice I guess.lol

I was testing my options and Im happy I got to play a good Mac who showed me which were valid and which were. I truly enjoyed our games man and I collected a lot of needed data.

Also I wish I had a damn fireball!

 

[viewtifulduck82]

Usually I try to bait that. Make him think he has me and then suddenly I'm not there.

Tends to work better on randoms than on Ducky though. I bait him a few times but he lands it more often than not.

You make it so difficult because rosalina disappears in her rolls and air dodges. Normally rolling around me with a KO punch is a bad idea, but if I can't see which direction you're going in it gets so much harder.

I was testing offensive options. Youre right I didn't know how to deal with it but I wasn't trying to avoid it. I know that running away works but it doesn't really solve e problem because even if I dance away all you need to do is read a dodge roll and neutral b then I'm gone. I was trying to see if I could engage you as Marth and take away the option. Running away is the only choice I guess.lol

I was testing my options and Im happy I got to play a good Mac who showed me which were valid and which were. I truly enjoyed our games man and I collected a lot of needed data.

Also I wish I had a damn fireball!

Aha glad I could help with your research bro lol

 

[Kinslayer]

You make it so difficult because rosalina disappears in her rolls and air dodges. Normally rolling around me with a KO punch is a bad idea, but if I can't see which direction you're going in it gets so much harder.



Aha glad I could help with your research bro lol

Glad I could get your help. Testing things are what casuals are for right? What's the point of playing these games if we don't learn anything?


Anyone else down to practice some?

 

[Rysir]

Baiting the KO punch and rolling has worked for me for many Macs but jeez it feels risky now, worked on Ducky but even with the KO punch whiffing the push forces made me slide from center of the stage to the edge. Even the replay makes my heart stop.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

Glad I could get you help. Testing things are what casuals are for right? What's the point of playing these games if we don't learn anything?


Anyone else down to practice some?

Riiiiight. That's one of the reasons I made this thread. I have to admit though, a big part of this was just so I could show people what a real Mac plays like. It hurts for me to see people say "HURR DURR MAC IS TRASH BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TO THROW HIM OFF THE LEDGE TO WIN".

 

[Kinslayer]

Riiiiight. That's one of the reasons I made this thread. I have to admit though, a big part of this was just so I could show people what a real Mac plays like. It hurts for me to see people say "HURR DURR MAC IS TRASH BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TO THROW HIM OFF THE LEDGE TO WIN".

I've never heard anyone say Mac sucks. I play Mac also and all I hear people say is Mac is op.lol

 

[viewtifulduck82]

I've never heard anyone say Mac sucks. I play Mac also and all I hear people say is Mac is op.lol

A lot of people are under the impression that in order to beat Mac, all you have to do is:
A. Wait at the edge, shield grab, edge guard, repeat.
B. Counter
C. Don't pick FD

 

[Shiliski]

Riiiiight. That's one of the reasons I made this thread. I have to admit though, a big part of this was just so I could show people what a real Mac plays like. It hurts for me to see people say "HURR DURR MAC IS TRASH BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TO THROW HIM OFF THE LEDGE TO WIN".

I always thought that Little Mac had good potential, in the right hands. He's fast and hits hard, and while he can be forced off stage, well... you have to actually get some reads in order to do that.

One of my problems is that whenever I want to throw you you've ended up behind me somehow.

 

[Kinslayer]

I love those people! They are the ones who pad my stats. Lol

 

[Kinslayer]

I always thought that Little Mac had good potential, in the right hands. He's fast and hits hard, and while he can be forced off stage, well... you have to actually get some reads in order to do that.

One of my problems is that whenever I want to throw you you've ended up behind me somehow.

if you want to throw Mac just shield throw punish man. That's like the only way you are going. To grab him.lol

 

[Shiliski]

if you want to throw Mac just shield throw punish man. That's like the only way you are going. To grab him.lol

Like I said. I position for that and suddenly he's behind me. That said my throw game has never been that strong, so maybe I just need to get better at it.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

if you want to throw Mac just shield throw punish man. That's like the only way you are going. To grab him.lol

Yeah, when I think I'm going to be shield grabbed, I just d-tilt. Mac's duck is so low that most characters will just miss. That, or I try to grab them, but Mac's grab range is terrible.

 

[Rysir]

I think a good chance at grabbing Mac is when his counter fails, just gotta get past the desire to throw out an attack since its easy to mistake a counter for breathing room which is how I ate a lot of the counters.

 

[Kinslayer]

Lol maybe instead if grabbing down smash as rosalina it's really good for dodge rollers since rosalina and luma hit on both sides of themselves.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

Lol maybe instead if grabbing down smash as rosalina it's really good for dodge rollers since Rosalina and Luma hit on both sides of themselves.

In order to keep that from happening, I make it a rule to take out Luma first. Unless I have the KO punch, then they're dying together lol. Same with grabbing. I'm not going to grab a Rosalina that has her trusty Luma beside her.

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

I'm not too good, but I'm looking to improve. I'm finding myself really struggling to get better. I know the only way I can is to play people better than me! Most of the time, in for glory when people beat me, they just quit. Would anybody like to add me and help me improve? I''d love constructive criticism. Tournaments and gatherings aren't options for me.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

I'll play you if you want. I'll add you and be ready in about 15 mins.

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

Cool, little mac is somebody who gives me a lot of trouble! You'll probably completely wreck me.

 

[Kinslayer]

In order to keep that from happening, I make it a rule to take out Luma first. Unless I have the KO punch, then they're dying together lol. Same with grabbing. I'm not going to grab a Rosalina that has her trusty Luma beside her.

You can only do that if Luna is next too her she can bait you into approaching her and luma by shotting him out from her then moving away luma will approach her because he always wants to be on the side luma is looking at then she can use down smash. If you approach and her and luma will alternate which sides they cover when they down smash.

when I fight rosalina and luma i fight more of an opportunistic style. I kill whomever is avaliable to kill but I'm always aware of the other party's presence. The goal for me is to beat up rosalina then. While she is floating i beat up luma, buttttt if the opportunity comes to kill luma first I'll take it.

 

[Shiliski]

Lol maybe instead if grabbing down smash as rosalina it's really good for dodge rollers since rosalina and luma hit on both sides of themselves.

Well usually what works best for me is if I can launch the opponent and then start a juggle on them. Once they're in the air they're usually at my mercy. I can start that with any smash, sh-dair, dash attack or a full jab combo. After that it's just a matter of jumping after them and using uair, fair or bair.

I used to think that dair would be a good meteor smash but... Rosalina's dair really isn't a meteor smash at all. It launches off to the side at a low ~30 degree angle and if I get it wrong I've just launched them back onto the stage. The times I thought it worked as a meteor smash turned out to just be footstool jumping. It'd probably be great for gimping a character with a bad recovery but it's not reliable for that.

I think what causes him to end up behind me isn't rolling, though. Sometimes he just dashes through while I'm shielding, or he uses Jolt Haymaker and I shield, and when the Haymaker ends he's behind me. Both of these could also theoretically be punished with D-smash, but even when I get him in the air Ducky isn't easy to juggle. He knows exactly when to counter in order to avoid my uair, which basically tells me that I either need to mixup my juggles or come up with another strategy. I probably also need to FF more.

Overall he's reading me pretty well, which tells me that I need more variety in my strategies. Uair is always tempting but Rosalina does have other options.

 

[Zef]

i'd be down to teach a new player just add me on skype

 

[viewtifulduck82]

Cool, little mac is somebody who gives me a lot of trouble! You'll probably completely wreck me.

Alrighty, adding now, and then opening a lobby for us.

 

[Kinslayer]

Well usually what works best for me is if I can launch the opponent and then start a juggle on them. Once they're in the air they're usually at my mercy. I can start that with any smash, sh-dair, dash attack or a full jab combo. After that it's just a matter of jumping after them and using uair, fair or bair.

I used to think that dair would be a good meteor smash but... Rosalina's dair really isn't a meteor smash at all. It launches off to the side at a low ~30 degree angle and if I get it wrong I've just launched them back onto the stage. The times I thought it worked as a meteor smash turned out to just be footstool jumping. It'd probably be great for gimping a character with a bad recovery but it's not reliable for that.

I think what causes him to end up behind me isn't rolling, though. Sometimes he just dashes through while I'm shielding, or he uses Jolt Haymaker and I shield, and when the Haymaker ends he's behind me. Both of these could also theoretically be punished with D-smash, but even when I get him in the air Ducky isn't easy to juggle. He knows exactly when to counter in order to avoid my uair, which basically tells me that I either need to mixup my juggles or come up with another strategy. I probably also need to FF more.

Overall he's reading me pretty well, which tells me that I need more variety in my strategies. Uair is always tempting but Rosalina does have other options.

That or changing the times you release your smashes. If he is countering at a certain time you should keep that in mind and alter your timing. that you start and release your smashes.

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

okay, I'll be there

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

I just lost to a peach in for glory, mind games wreck me.. er meant to put this in the other post

 

[viewtifulduck82]

I just lost to a peach in for glory, mind games wreck me.. er meant to put this in the other post

Oh darn lol. That's a match up I've yet to come across.

 

[Shiliski]

I've only seen one good Peach in FG, but she was pretty good. That hover is amazing, especially once you consider how hard she hits with that crown of hers.

 

[Kinslayer]

I've only seen one good Peach in FG, but she was pretty good. That hover is amazing, especially once you consider how hard she hits with that crown of hers.

Only good peach I've played in for glory was Bowz

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

Wow little mac is really hard to punish. Those super armor smashes are ridiculous!

 

[viewtifulduck82]

...This guy's Kirby is pretty stellar.

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

You two stocked me that time! I don't feel so "stellar"

 

[viewtifulduck82]

You two stocked me that time! I don't feel so "stellar"

Yeah but I was well on my way to 200%!

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

I gotta admit this is more fun than for glory!

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

I keep using stone when I don't mean too @_@

 

[viewtifulduck82]

I gotta admit this is more fun than for glory!

It certainly is. I've all but dropped FG since I've been getting all these matches on smashboards.

 

[GrnFzzTgr]

I don't know how to punish those super armored smashes!

 

[viewtifulduck82]

I don't know how to punish those super armored smashes!

Try grabbing. Or running. Those usually work lol.