Sorry kids, here's why Geno won't get in. The good news? Krystal might.

[Trophyhunter]

Geno has about the same chance of being in as my thumb, jigglypuff is confirmed by a voice actor in brawl.
Geno might be an at at best but playable hardly.

 

[kackamee]

that is straight up opinion.

Sorta Kinda, But you can't deny alot of people know about Geno

 

[DeuceBlade]

There are people all around the world who love Geno, it's massive

You are kidding right?

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

yeah if geno has such a massive fan base howcome he hasnt appeared in anygames since his first (and only). usually "massivly" popular characters appear in more then one game.

 

[kackamee]

Really, the word massive is not the right one at all here. Four is not by any means "massive." If something is "massive" it would grab a company's attention. Geno hasn't though. In the last couple of years, we've had two team up games between SE and Nintendo, and neither of them had Geno in them. If his fanbase truly was "massive" then he would have shown up in one of those. He didn't though. =/

Your only talking about the people who voted, that isn't everybody.

 

[kackamee]

yeah if geno has such a massive fan base howcome he hasnt appeared in anygames since his first (and only). usually "massivly" popular characters appear in more then one game.

Pit and IC's got great sales too, but they only stared in one game. But SMRPG set ground rules for mario gaming history

 

[DeuceBlade]

Your only talking about the people who voted, that isn't everybody.

But you don't realize that alot of people aren't "true" Geno fans.. and only want him in because they saw his thread on this forum. Geno is not known around the world, I think you are confusing him with Sonic.. Mario.. or Donkey kong.

Geno will never reach their stardom, he is way to over rated in this forum imo.

 

[Machspeed]

Bah, it's harder to deal with it if you do it like that.

Fine, I'll reply to you this way then. And I'll hand it to you, your a pretty good debater.

What are you trying to prove? That hypothetically in some other reality Geno could have been the star? Well maybe, but the same could be said for any character. The fact is he wasn't. No changing that.

Yes, in some other reality Geno really COULD'VE been the star (that's a terrible pun, by the way ), if not in a Mario game. Yeah, no changing that he wasn't though. He in no way played a minor role though, if anything a VERY major role and was vital to the outcome of the game.

...What? Konami isn't competing against Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft are. It'd be like a theater against a studio. They are still on bad terms though, even though they are not in competition. It can only be assumed that Kojima is what brought them together for this. In any case, Konami's never worked with HAL, and since HAL is part of Nintendo, it only makes sense that they too would be on bad terms. (Oh, look here. Trying to get the most sales. I wonder who would do that better, Cloud or Geno?)

Konami is generally associated with Sony, though. Kojima wanted Snake in since Melee, actually, and he laid out his stage and everything.

They can obviously put behind their bad history if Square-Enix can still produce their games on the DS and consoles. Just because two companies have never worked together, doesn't necessarily mean they are on bad terms. They might have just not got around to it, and the likes. The game is going to get enough sales as is, trust. With Sonic's addition to the roster, AND Snake, possibility of Megaman, this game will sell enough, reguardless of Cloud's addition.

 

[kackamee]

But you don't realize that alot of people aren't "true" Geno fans.. and only want him in because they saw his thread on this forum. Geno is not known around the world, I think you are confusing him with Sonic.. Mario.. or Donkey kong.

Geno will never reach their stardom, he is way to over rated in this forum imo.

Nobody will like somebody just because they see a thread. and yes he is known worldwide because of that ONE majorly popular game which set up his popularity for years

 

[Machspeed]

Ignorance of the character, is simply no reason to not like him. If your not old enough to have played SMRPG in it's time, you've missed out on a very great game.

Believe me, the SMRPG was pretty popular on the SNES, a very popular game indeed, and chances are if you had a SNES you'd recognize the game and it's cast almost instantaneously.

yeah if geno has such a massive fan base howcome he hasnt appeared in anygames since his first (and only). usually "massivly" popular characters appear in more then one game.

Square-Enix and Nintendo had a dispute while in development of SMRPG2, and it basically all cracked apart. As I've said before, Paper Mario was to be SMRPG's sequel. Due to all the legal contractions and problems throughout that dispute, the game's colorful cast of characters has vanished. Seeing Geno's cameo in Superstar Saga tells me that the character's not ready to die, just yet.

And how is he still being requested, after 11 years, to be in video games if he's not popular?

 

[Staz]

you make me lawlz. i didnt even know who pit and ice climbers were until melee and brawl and look at them! there in! so what make u think geno isnt?

 

[Krell]

OP doesn't look at a lot of facts, namely Sakurai's poll. Read into things before starting a thread that will get folks cheesed.

 

[DeuceBlade]

you make me lawlz. i didnt even know who pit and ice climbers were until melee and brawl and look at them! there in! so what make u think geno isnt?

Pit and ice Climbers are the stars of their respective games.
Pit and Ice Climbers are first party
Pit and Ice Climbers are retro.. meaning maybe before your time.

The gamers of the past and present know about these guys.. just because you don't means nothing.

And more people know of them, than Geno.

Does that answer your question?

 

[kackamee]

Pit and ice Climbers are the stars of their respective games.
Pit and Ice Climbers are first party
Pit and Ice Climbers are retro.. meaning maybe before your time.

The gamers of the past and present know about these guys.. just because you don't means nothing.

And more people know of them, than Geno.

Does that answer your question?

No, now alot of people forgot about them(more than Geno) what brought them back is the ssb series

EDIT: and him being in could be the unvaling of a new game( as I'm hoping for Ic's and Pit)

 

[DeuceBlade]

No, now alot of people forgot about them(more than Geno) what brought them back is the sbb series

No one forgot about Pit and Ice climbers, they probably never knew about them. Why? because they probably were not born during the NES era... or Never played the game.

I'm pretty sure More people know about IC and Pit than Geno.

 

[Macrofly]

Why do people try so hard to argue why a character won't be in?

God, there's been so much "proof" of why characters won't be in, and "requirements" for characters to make it on the roster (the "they have to have been in more than one game" or "they have to have starred in their own game" stuff).

Guess what? That means crap to Sakurai. He'll put in the game who he wants to put in. He has the final say. Speculate all you want, if he wants to put Geno in because he's popular, he'll put him in, reguardless of how many games he's been in.

If he doesn't put him in, oh well we'll, get over it.

(Go ahead, flame me because of my post count. >_>)

 

[Machspeed]

No one forgot about Pit and Ice climbers, they probably never knew about them. Why? because they probably were not born during the NES era... or Never played the game.

I'm pretty sure More people know about IC and Pit than Geno.

That's your opinion. Geno is from a more recent game than them both, and SMRPG was pretty popular on the SNES. If you had a SNES, you most likely at least heard of the game, and would recognize Geno.

That's the exact same reason people may not know Geno, if they weren't born during the era, or never played the game.

...

 

[kackamee]

No one forgot about Pit and Ice climbers, they probably never knew about them. Why? because they probably were not born during the NES era... or Never played the game.

I'm pretty sure More people know about IC and Pit than Geno.

Yeah, but the game they were in weren't as historicly important. Plus, it was the begining of a new era(SNES)
Heck, I'm young and I didn't even know about this game until i came to this site(because I wasn't born during SNES) And I did my research on SMRPG and I thought it was preety cool, So I bought a SNES from my friend for $30 and I brought the game off Ebay and it was argueably the best RPG I've ever played, I also bought kid Icarus and IC for VC

 

[Machspeed]

Why do people try so hard to argue why a character won't be in?

God, there's been so much "proof" of why characters won't be in, and "requirements" for characters to make it on the roster (the "they have to have been in more than one game" or "they have to have starred in their own game" stuff).

Guess what? That means crap to Sakurai. He'll put in the game who he wants to put in. He has the final say. Speculate all you want, if he wants to put Geno in because he's popular, he'll put him in, reguardless of how many games he's been in.

If he doesn't put him in, oh well we'll, get over it.

(Go ahead, flame me because of my post count. >_>)

We argue to pass time until Brawl's release. It works, you should try it sometime.
We will all buy Brawl reguardless of who makes it in or not; and it will still be a great game. Having the character's you want in is simply a preference.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Why do people try so hard to argue why a character won't be in?

God, there's been so much "proof" of why characters won't be in, and "requirements" for characters to make it on the roster (the "they have to have been in more than one game" or "they have to have starred in their own game" stuff).

Guess what? That means crap to Sakurai. He'll put in the game who he wants to put in. He has the final say. Speculate all you want, if he wants to put Geno in because he's popular, he'll put him in, reguardless of how many games he's been in.

If he doesn't put him in, oh well we'll, get over it.

(Go ahead, flame me because of my post count. >_>)

What does your post count have to do with anything?

And you are right Sakurai does make the final decision, but we speculate due to what we know so far from the roster...

Yeah, but the game they were in weren't as historicly important. Plus, it was the begining of a new era(SNES)

SMRPG was near the end of the SNES and was over shadowed by another RPG ChronoTrigger. SMRPG was heavily liked but because of Geno? no.. not really.. it was the overall game not 1 character.

 

[Pieman0920]

Fine, I'll reply to you this way then. And I'll hand it to you, your a pretty good debater.

Danka

Yes, in some other reality Geno really COULD'VE been the star (that's a terrible pun, by the way ), if not in a Mario game. Yeah, no changing that he wasn't though. He in no way played a minor role though, if anything a VERY major role and was vital to the outcome of the game.

All the playable characters had major roles, and three of them are in already. SMRPG is well represented enough.

Konami is generally associated with Sony, though. Kojima wanted Snake in since Melee, actually, and he laid out his stage and everything.


They can obviously put behind their bad history if Square-Enix can still produce their games on the DS and consoles. Just because two companies have never worked together, doesn't necessarily mean they are on bad terms. They might have just not got around to it, and the likes. The game is going to get enough sales as is, trust. With Sonic's addition to the roster, AND Snake, possibility of Megaman, this game will sell enough, reguardless of Cloud's addition.

I don't think I've ever heard of Konami even hinting at working with Nintendo on a joint project. Then again, it seems that anything they do that's joint is because Kojima wants too. (Megaman EXE comes to mind)

But the point is that it would sell even more with Cloud. You seem to think that businesses will try to stop if they are making enough. They only stop when marginal revenue is the same as marginal cost. Geno doesn't make money, in fact he loses it. No one will be drawn into the game because of Geno. All his fans are Mario fans. The fact that he won't bring in anything new, and he will still cost money means it's not a good move. Cloud though will bring in people who love FF games. He will pay off his expense. He will make more people happy.

 

[pcamtz]

No one forgot about Pit and Ice climbers, they probably never knew about them. Why? because they probably were not born during the NES era... or Never played the game.

I'm pretty sure More people know about IC and Pit than Geno.

¬¬ Of course more people know about them! IC were in Melee, and Pit was one of the first Newcomers confirmed for Brawl!

Geno wasn't as popular because SMRPG itself wasn't that popular (due to the N64 release), the game is great and that's why those who played it (including me) remember Geno, and want him in Brawl.

Those 4 votes you talk about doesn't represent all the votes Geno had, just the entries that Sakurai and his team were interested in (which by itself is way more important than having a 3 minute cameo *looks at Cloud*)

Bottomline it doesn't matter if Geno is "massively" popular (which I think he is) or not, cause popularity is not what makes a character appear in Brawl, it's Sakurai's interest in said character, which Geno already has.

 

[kackamee]

What does your post count have to do with anything?

And you are right Sakurai does make the final decision, but we speculate due to what we know so far from the roster...



SMRPG was near the end of the SNES and was over shadowed by another RPG ChronoTrigger. SMRPG was heavily liked but because of Geno? no.. not really.. it was the overall game not 1 character.

No, but Geno was one of the most popular reasons.

 

[DeuceBlade]

¬¬ Of course more people know about them! IC were in Melee, and Pit was one of the first Newcomers confirmed for Brawl!

Geno wasn't as popular because SMRPG itself wasn't that popular (due to the N64 release), the game is great and that's why those who played it (including me) remember Geno, and want him in Brawl.

Those 4 votes you talk about doesn't represent all the votes Geno had, just the entries that Sakurai and his team were interested in (which by itself is way more important than having a 3 minute cameo *looks at Cloud*)

Bottomline it doesn't matter if Geno is "massively" popular (which I think he is) or not, cause popularity is not what makes a character appear in Brawl, it's Sakurai's interest in said character, which Geno already has.

If there was a poll with a wider audience I am sure Geno would not place as high as he did.

 

[Macrofly]

What does your post count have to do with anything?

Hehe, I thought some idiot was gonna reply with "lol coming from someone with 12 posts". >_>

Yeah, I guess you're right though, it is a good way to pass the time, but sometimes I think we get too carried away with the flaming.

(Wow, this thread sure is active...)

 

[kackamee]

If there was a poll with a wider audience I am sure Geno would not place as high as he did.

Yeah he would've done better

 

[Macrofly]

Yeah he would've done better

Not to say I don't support Geno (in fact, I might main Geno if he's in), but can you explain the logic in that? >_>

 

[kackamee]

Not to say I don't support Geno (in fact, I might main Geno if he's in), but can you explain the logic in that? >_>

Just how popular tthe game came to be and the history it brought to Mario RPG's

 

[DeuceBlade]

Hehe, I thought some idiot was gonna reply with "lol coming from someone with 12 posts". >_>

Yeah, I guess you're right though, it is a good way to pass the time, but sometimes I think we get too carried away with the flaming.

(Wow, this thread sure is active...)

Flaming someone's opinion = fail, you will see this often. But atleast this is not GameFaqs lul

Yeah he would've done better

Whatever makes you happy.

 

[Machspeed]

All the playable characters had major roles, and three of them are in already. SMRPG is well represented enough.

Mario, Peach, and Bowser are all characters who all existed before the SMRPG. The only things which originate from that RPG are Peach's frying pan, and Bowser's claw attack (which could even be said to originate before the SMRPG). They could use a bit more of representation, it was a great game that started it all.

I don't think I've ever heard of Konami even hinting at working with Nintendo on a joint project. Then again, it seems that anything they do that's joint is because Kojima wants too. (Megaman EXE comes to mind)

But the point is that it would sell even more with Cloud. You seem to think that businesses will try to stop if they are making enough. They only stop when marginal revenue is the same as marginal cost. Geno doesn't make money, in fact he loses it. No one will be drawn into the game because of Geno. All his fans are Mario fans. The fact that he won't bring in anything new, and he will still cost money means it's not a good move. Cloud though will bring in people who love FF games. He will pay off his expense. He will make more people happy.

Geno will make alot more people happy than you give credit for. He is a memory for MANY gamers; a wonderful memory of a great game that brings back very, very old feelings and games. Many older gamers, meaning upper teens and up would realize him in an instant, and loved the game. All his fans ARE Mario fans, but there are a TON of Mario fans indeed.

It's not like Cloud won't be in the next big final fantasy title, anyhow. He has much room for profit, but Geno, a character that people haven't seen for 11 years, would pay off (how Pit might be bringing in extra monetary gain also).

 

[DeuceBlade]

Mario, Peach, and Bowser are all characters who all existed before the SMRPG. The only things which originate from that RPG are Peach's frying pan, and Bowser's claw attack (which could even be said to originate before the SMRPG). They could use a bit more of representation, it was a great game that started it all.



Geno will make alot more people happy than you give credit for. He is a memory for MANY gamers; a wonderful memory of a great game that brings back very, very old feelings and games. Many older gamers, meaning upper teens and up would realize him in an instant, and loved the game. All his fans ARE Mario fans, but there are a TON of Mario fans indeed.

It's not like Cloud won't be in the next big final fantasy title, anyhow. He has much room for profit, but Geno, a character that people haven't seen for 11 years, would pay off (how Pit might be bringing in extra monetary gain also).

There are many other characters who would bring the same feeling if not more.. than Geno. Geno's purpose would be to represent SMRPG even though Mario does that himself.

Just how popular tthe game came to be and the history it brought to Mario RPG's

SMRPG is not Canon with the other RPGs lol.

 

[Machspeed]

There are many other characters who would bring the same feeling if not more.. than Geno. Geno's purpose would be to represent SMRPG even though Mario does that himself.

Mario represents Mario, as he has been around since the dawn of gaming. He is not representative of SMRPG.

Geno's purpose would be to make his fans happy, as he has not been in a game for 11 years. Kid Icarus has not been around for quite awhile and Pit's fans got their wish, why can't we obtain ours?

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

Geno will make alot more people happy than you give credit for. He is a memory for MANY gamers; a wonderful memory of a great game that brings back very, very old feelings and games. Many older gamers, meaning upper teens and up would realize him in an instant, and loved the game. All his fans ARE Mario fans, but there are a TON of Mario fans indeed.

It's not like Cloud won't be in the next big final fantasy title, anyhow. He has much room for profit, but Geno, a character that people haven't seen for 11 years, would pay off (how Pit might be bringing in extra monetary gain also).

the bolded stuff:
pit would bring in extra money because:

a: nintendo owns him and they can make another one of his games with out paying anyone else.

b: there are already talks of another kid icarus game.

geno will not bring extra money because:

a: nintendo has to pay sqaure to get the rights to hi, thus losing some money to begin with.

b: the game that geno has been in is on a old system and the vc version is not out, and theres no word on the release date.

c: geno will not get his own series so he wont make any money on his own.

 

[kackamee]

the bolded stuff:
pit would bring in extra money because:

a: nintendo owns him and they can make another one of his games with out paying anyone else.

b: there are already talks of another kid icarus game.

geno will not bring extra money because:

a: nintendo has to pay sqaure to get the rights to hi, thus losing some money to begin with.

b: the game that geno has been in is on a old system and the vc version is not out, and theres no word on the release date.

c: geno will not get his own series so he wont make any money on his own.

You have to spend money to make money, Nuff said

 

[Machspeed]

the bolded stuff:
pit would bring in extra money because:

a: nintendo owns him and they can make another one of his games with out paying anyone else.

Nintendo could buy out Geno if they wished, and they could put him in as many games as they wanted to. With the Superstar Saga cameo, I'm sure they won't have to pay as much for say a character like Cloud from Square-Enix.

b: there are already talks of another kid icarus game.
SMRPG DS has been rumored, and the sequel countless times.

geno will not bring extra money because:

a: nintendo has to pay sqaure to get the rights to hi, thus losing some money to begin with.
But they'd gain so much more money with the profits from Brawl, it wouldn't matter.

b: the game that geno has been in is on a old system and the vc version is not out, and theres no word on the release date.
Kid Icarus was a very old game, and does the VC version really matter that much? To get the SMRPG on VC, they need to get the rights from Square-Enix. VC is far aside from the point however, we're discussing Brawl.

c: geno will not get his own series so he wont make any money on his own.
That doesn't matter. Luigi is not star of his own series, but in Luigi's Mansion he did fine on a game for his own title under another franchise.

My responses highlighted. Oh, and btw, to those who highly dislike Geno, have you even played the SMRPG?

 

[DeuceBlade]

You have to spend money to make money, Nuff said

Geno not being in brawl will not effect the sales rofl.

 

[Banjodorf]

There are many other characters who would bring the same feeling if not more.. than Geno. Geno's purpose would be to represent SMRPG even though Mario does that himself.



SMRPG is not Canon with the other RPGs lol.

SMRPG set the stage for the first two installments of the paper mario series. They mgith not even be close to the same, but this was Nintendo's first shot at an RPG with mario, and they did it well, which helped them make the paper mario games a masterpiece as well.

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

yes but usually companies only spend money on things they know they can get money from (i.e. getting sonic and snake in brawl) not something that could possibly flop and get them no extra money. With the lack of geno appearences in recent years you have to admit that there is a possibility that not that many gamers in todays world know who he is and will not be drawn to buy the game because of him. If nintendo is going to spend money to get a character they will spend it on a character well known even by casual gamers.

 

[DeuceBlade]

SMRPG set the stage for the first two installments of the paper mario series. They mgith not even be close to the same, but this was Nintendo's first shot at an RPG with mario, and they did it well, which helped them make the paper mario games a masterpiece as well.

Square was behind SMRPG, Nintendo gave them characters and Square did most of the work.
The Paper Mario series is thought of as a spiritual successor to SMRPG but only because they are both RPG.

Similar to Goldeneye/PerfectDark.

 

[the_Capt_Falcon_Master]

My responses highlighted. Oh, and btw, to those who highly dislike Geno, have you even played the SMRPG?

i dont dislike geno i just dont think he should be in brawl. But its getting late where i am and im getting tired. Ill continue this stuff tomarrow.