Sonic Report from E for All and Move List

[Cless]

Who could also become top tier should they make the super armor ridiculous.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

^^^^
They'd need to give him a few faster moves, or a LOT of his moves with long periods of super armor.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Sorry, double post. My computer spazzed.

 

[Cless]

By super armor being ridiculous, I meant that you couldn't grab him either. Doesn't matter how slow he moves if there is no possible way to stop an attack.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

By super armor being ridiculous, I meant that you couldn't grab him either. Doesn't matter how slow he moves if there is no possible way to stop an attack.

Can Ike be grabbed out of his invincibility frames? If he can, then that sucks.

 

[Cless]

I would assume so since the whole reason behind the grab is to get around defenses. The super armor isn't invincibility frames. They're supposed to be non-flinching frames. I'm blanking on a better example, but like Juggernaut or Colossus from MvC2.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Well the frames in Yoshi's second jump are called invincibility frames, even though he takes damage but doesn't flinch.

 

[Professor X]

Thanks for the details about wind-up lag. Sorry to the other poster about my previous post; I didn't mean it to sound so rude.

I know we're not supposed to compare Melee and Brawl characters, but this is one of the deciding factors to me over how much Sonic will be like Captain Falcon. Falcon obviously runs the fastest, but his wind-up lag frustrates me continuously. Sonic could be played much differently based on what your saying... I could see much more potential for defense.

 

[Cless]

I dunno, I always called invincibility frames the ones where you just don't take damage. Like the opening frames of the Shoryuken, or team up attacks in Rival Schools, or most supers in fighting games.

 

[Jisike]

I dunno, I always called invincibility frames the ones where you just don't take damage. Like the opening frames of the Shoryuken, or team up attacks in Rival Schools, or most supers in fighting games.

And you should, because thats what they are lol

 

[Cless]

Yeah, I know, but I wouldn't call Yoshi's second jump that. That's more like Ukon in GNT4 or something.

 

[Jisike]

yoshi's DB would be called heavy armor.

ike as he was in the demo has super armor, meaning he takes no damage and minimal hitstun from regular attacks, but can be thrown.

Starman gives you invincibility, which means you take no damage, no hitstun, and cant be thrown.

Cless and I are on the same page methinks

 

[Colino]

I heard he's not as weak (as in damage) as he sounds, but still not great.

His ground speed however.. wow.. Take a good look at the vids, that's probably faster than falcon!

 

[FightingGameGuy]

I heard he's not as weak (as in damage) as he sounds, but still not great.

Look at the damage values I listed my report. Rarely do his non-smash attacks do even over 10 damage. It isn't always a problem since he's seems pretty good at comboing, but he's definitely on the weak side if you compare individual attacks.

 

[Demoncannon]

well you know that if he is at super speed now, if there is that action reply for wii and SSBB for speed x4 then sonic would be impossible to use.

 

[Cless]

You know, because you can change the speed during gameplay and action replays are used at serious tournaments and everything.

 

[Jisike]

You know, because you can change the speed during gameplay and action replays are used at serious tournaments and everything.

I know right? i totally owned at this one tournament using fighting wireframe male!

 

[Cless]

I was just curious, how fast does Sonic jump, or in other words, how easy is it to short hop with him?

 

[Joybuzzy]

I was just curious, how fast does Sonic jump, or in other words, how easy is it to short hop with him?

Sonic is a fast runner and in his games is a high jumper [ In SA2B Metal Sonic could jump the highest in the Speed 2player games] so it will be a little hard to short hop with him. Better yet, trying to stop him from running off the edge

 

[Cless]

You didn't play with him, so don't answer. Captain Falcon was the fastest runner in Melee, and his short hop isn't hard. Being fast doesn't mean that you leave the ground quickly. Sonic might have the jumping speed of Mario for all I know. Also, don't base an answer off of his abilities in his own games.

 

[Joybuzzy]

Okay Cless, sorry...

 

[Cless]

I didn't mean to blow up at you. I was just curious about his jumping speed from someone who played with him. I was at a funeral today, so I'm not in the best of moods.

 

[FightingGameGuy]

I was just curious, how fast does Sonic jump, or in other words, how easy is it to short hop with him?

I had no problem at all short hopping with Sonic at E for All, whereas I normally have to concentrate to short hop every time as Fox in melee, so I'd say his window is more than fox's, i.e. more than 3 frames. Unfortunately, I cannot place it more accurately than that.

@Cless: I'm sorry to hear about the funeral. I hope my info does whatever it can to make you happier.

On another note, there are many people who refer to Sonic's games when trying to predict how Sonic will behave in brawl. While I appreciate your knowledge of his series, and even more your enthusiasm for the character, such comparisons really don't tell us much about how Sonic will be in Brawl. If someone asks a question about Sonic in Brawl, and that question is answerable from our experience with Sonic from the demo and the videos, I ask that you refrain from answering speculatively based on information from past sonic games when others can answer with more grounded facts.

 

[Cless]

Ok, that's good. I hate short hopping with Shiek, and an glad that he doesn't leave the ground in as many frames as Fox or Pikachu.

 

[Cless]

Eh, it's been two days.

What was Sonic's entrance? I don't remember reading anything about it.

 

[Demoncannon]

?? what do you mean by sonic's entrance?

 

[Cless]

?? what do you mean by sonic's entrance?

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique06.html

 

[Demoncannon]

oh you mean where he jumps from the front on the screen and poses? Well they showed that in the Gamespot video of the feature at the nintendo media summit 07

http://uk.gamespot.com/video/928518...rawl-nintendo-media-summit-2007-gameplay-demo

here is the link to that video and it just a bit after half way into the vid where you see sonic's entrance and fight against Link

 

[Cless]

Ah, thanks. I don't usually go to game sites to watch videos. I've lost all faith in them.

 

[Demoncannon]

understandable, but all we need now is images for sonic in SSE and his first partner

 

[jdawgizzle]

i had heard that he was going to be unstoppable and crazy high tier but this sounds like maybe not

 

[Cless]

We don't know what tier any character is going to be right now.

 

[Demoncannon]

?? I swore that there is NO TEIRS, i think gimpyfish said it before

 

[Cless]

There's going to be tiers, but there's not enough information now. How the hell are you going to make a list without a full roster or a bunch of tournaments to base it off of?

 

[Demoncannon]

i dunno, but atm i am kinda only remembering half of what was said for some reason today

 

[FightingGameGuy]

Nah, Cless got it right. There's not enough info to make tiers atm. There will almost certainly be tiers since the balance is unlikely to be perfect (which would be near impossible).

 

[brawl_maniac]

wow fighting game guy has a LOT of info.

im jealous of any one who went to e for all

 

[Dark Luna]

Nah, Cless got it right. There's not enough info to make tiers atm. There will almost certainly be tiers since the balance is unlikely to be perfect (which would be near impossible).

I hope the characters are more balanced then in Melee though. If only a little.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

Yeah, or at least that the characters I like are the good ones for a change

 

[Barnacules]

We don't know what tier any character is going to be right now.

Except Ike is Suck Tier