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Some Yoshi Information

Discussion in 'Yoshi' started by PerhapsMan, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. PerhapsMan

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    Here is some frame data and other useful information that I have found about Yoshi. Everything has been tested in either training mode or the debug menu. I have a lot of data, but I will try to only post things that will interest people.

    All values are for NTSC version 1.02 unless otherwise stated.

    If you would like to request some information on Yoshi, I am willing to test things and post them here.


    Tumble % - This is a list of the % at which each character will be knocked down from certain moves. All moves were tested with no DI , staling or Crouch Cancelling, except maybe in the case of Nana (I am not sure if she tries to wiggle out of tumble).

    The numbers given are the percentages before the attack's damage is applied. For example, neutral-angled Ftilt will knock Doctor Mario over as early as 21%, leaving him at 33% after the attack is done.

    If the spoiler has a % in the title, it is simply the damage from the attack(s) named.

    Doctor Mario: 21, 18, 25
    Mario: 21, 18, 25
    Luigi: 21, 18, 25
    Bowser: 24, 21, 28
    Peach: 20, 16, 23
    Yoshi: 22, 19, 26
    DK: 23, 20, 27
    Captain Falcon: 22, 19, 25
    Ganondorf: 23, 19, 26
    Falco: 18, 15, 21
    Fox: 17, 14, 20
    Ness: 20, 17, 24
    Popo: 19, 16, 23
    Nana: 25, 22, 27
    Kirby: 16, 13, 19
    Samus: 23, 19, 26
    Zelda: 20, 16, 23
    Sheik: 20, 16, 23
    Link: 22, 19, 25
    Young Link: 19, 16, 22
    Pichu: 14, 11, 17
    Pikachu: 18, 15, 21
    Jigglypuff: 15, 12, 18
    Mewtwo: 19, 16, 22
    Mr. Game & Watch: 15, 12, 18
    Marth: 19, 16, 22
    Roy: 19, 16, 22

    Everyone: 0

    Doctor Mario: 15
    Mario: 15
    Luigi: 15
    Bowser: 17
    Peach: 14
    Yoshi: 16
    DK: 17
    Captain Falcon: 16
    Ganondorf: 16
    Falco: 12
    Fox: 12
    Ness: 14
    Popo: 13
    Nana: 18
    Kirby: 11
    Samus: 17
    Zelda: 14
    Sheik: 14
    Link: 16
    Young Link: 13
    Pichu: 9
    Pikachu: 12
    Jigglypuff: 9
    Mewtwo: 12
    Mr. Game & Watch: 9
    Marth: 13
    Roy: 12

    Doctor Mario: 28, 64
    Mario: 28, 64
    Luigi: 28, 64
    Bowser: 32, 71
    Peach: 26, 61
    Yoshi: 30, 67
    DK: 31, 69
    Captain Falcon: 29, 66
    Ganondorf: 30, 68
    Falco: 24, 57
    Fox: 23, 55
    Ness: 27, 62
    Popo: 26, 60
    Nana: 30, 65
    Kirby: 22, 53
    Samus: 31, 67
    Zelda: 26, 61
    Sheik: 26, 61
    Link: 29, 66
    Young Link: 25, 59
    Pichu: 19, 48
    Pikachu: 24, 57
    Jigglypuff: 20, 50
    Mewtwo: 25, 59
    Mr. Game & Watch: 20, 50
    Marth: 26, 60
    Roy: 25, 59

    Doctor Mario: 8
    Mario: 8
    Luigi: 8
    Bowser: 10
    Peach: 6
    Yoshi: 9
    DK: 9
    Captain Falcon: 8
    Ganondorf: 9
    Falco: 5
    Fox: 5
    Ness: 7
    Popo: 6
    Nana: 10
    Kirby: 4
    Samus: 9
    Zelda: 6
    Sheik: 6
    Link: 8
    Young Link: 6
    Pichu: 2
    Pikachu: 5
    Jigglypuff: 3
    Mewtwo: 6
    Mr. Game & Watch: 3
    Marth: 6
    Roy: 6

    Doctor Mario: 23
    Mario: 23
    Luigi: 23
    Bowser: 26
    Peach: 21
    Yoshi: 24
    DK: 25
    Captain Falcon: 23
    Ganondorf: 24
    Falco: 19
    Fox: 18
    Ness: 22
    Popo: 21
    Nana: 26
    Kirby: 17
    Samus: 24
    Zelda: 21
    Sheik: 21
    Link: 23
    Young Link: 20
    Pichu: 15
    Pikachu: 19
    Jigglypuff: 16
    Mewtwo: 20
    Mr. Game & Watch: 16
    Marth: 20
    Roy: 20

    Doctor Mario: 53, 60
    Mario: 53, 60
    Luigi: 53, 60
    Bowser: 58, 65
    Peach: 49, 56
    Yoshi: 55, 62
    DK: 57, 64
    Captain Falcon: 54, 61
    Ganondorf: 55, 63,
    Falco: 46, 53
    Fox: 45, 51
    Ness: 51, 58
    Popo: 49, 56
    Nana: 55, 62
    Kirby: 43, 50
    Samus: 56, 63
    Zelda: 49, 56
    Sheik: 49, 56
    Link: 54, 61
    Young Link: 48, 55
    Pichu: 39, 45
    Pikachu: 46, 53
    Jigglypuff: 40, 46
    Mewtwo: 48, 55
    Mr. Game & Watch: 40, 46
    Marth: 49, 55
    Roy: 48, 55

    Doctor Mario: 59, 73
    Mario: 59, 73
    Luigi: 59, 73
    Bowser: 65, 80
    Peach: 56, 69
    Yoshi: 62, 77
    DK: 64, 79
    Captain Falcon: 61, 74
    Ganondorf: 62, 77
    Falco: 52, 65
    Fox: 51, 63
    Ness: 57, 71
    Popo: 55, 68
    Nana: 74, 82
    Kirby: 49, 61
    Samus: 63, 77
    Zelda: 56, 69
    Sheik: 56, 69
    Link: 61, 74
    Young Link: 54, 67
    Pichu: 43, 55
    Pikachu: 52, 65
    Jigglypuff: 45, 57
    Mewtwo: 54, 67
    Mr. Game & Watch: 45, 57
    Marth: 55, 68
    Roy: 54, 67

    Knockback for throws is character independent.

    Up Throw: 30%
    Down Throw: 0%
    Forward Throw: 71%
    Back Throw: 71%

    These ranges may be slightly larger than indicated. I am posting only what I can confirm will combo.

    An asterisk * indicates that the combo will off the top on FD at the given % (no DI).

    The numbers used in the % ranges given are before the combo starts. For example, Utilt > Utilt will work on Doctor Mario from 0-33%. If Doctor Mario is at 33%, Utilt > Utilt will combo and leave him at 52% afterwards.

    If the combo has a % in the title, it is simply the damage from the attack(s) named.

    Most combos listed are tested with No DI only. If DI is used or tested for, it will be noted.

    For a given combo, characters which are not tested are either omitted or given a value of "N/A."

    Yellow entries are from DD151.

    Latest Nair (No DI) > Dashgrab - 14%

    This is a pseudo-combo until Nair causes Tumble (Unfortunately, few characters can be grabbed after a Nair that causes tumble).

    Doctor Mario: 27
    Mario: 27
    Luigi: 27
    Bowser: 31
    Peach: 25
    Yoshi: 29
    DK: 30
    Captain Falcon: 28
    Ganondorf: 29
    Falco: 23
    Fox: 23
    Ness: 26
    Popo: 25
    Nana: 29
    Kirby: 28
    Samus: 31
    Zelda: 28
    Sheik: 25
    Link: 28
    Young Link: 24
    Pichu: 18
    Pikachu: 23
    Jigglypuff: 23
    Mewtwo: 31
    Mr. Game & Watch: 19
    Marth: 25
    Roy: 24

    Utilt (No DI) > Utilt - 19%

    Doctor Mario: 0-33
    Mario: 0-33
    Luigi: 0-12
    Bowser: 0-88
    Peach: 0-32
    Yoshi: 0-67
    DK: 0-108
    Captain Falcon: 0-179
    Ganondorf: 0-87
    Falco: 0-189
    Fox: 0-172
    Ness: 0-43
    Ice Climbers: N/A
    Kirby: 0-25
    Samus: 0-15
    Zelda: 0-22
    Sheik: 0-95
    Link: 0-91
    Young Link: 0-79
    Pichu: 0-58
    Pikachu: 0-69
    Jigglypuff: 0-8
    Mewtwo: 0-16
    Mr. Game & Watch: 0-52
    Marth: 0-64
    Roy: 0-99


    Utilt (No DI) > Uair - 23%

    Doctor Mario: 0-129 *109
    Mario: 0-129 *109
    Luigi: 0-103 *103
    Bowser: 0-187 *128
    Peach: 0-115 *96
    Yoshi: 0-167 *119
    DK: 0-218 *136
    Captain Falcon: 43-263 *147
    Ganondorf: 0-189 *127
    Falco: 46-311 *137
    Fox: 56-285 *129
    Ness: 0-137 *107
    Ice Climbers: N/A
    Kirby: 0-106 *86
    Samus: 0-116 *104
    Zelda: 0-98 *93
    Sheik: 0-177 *115
    Link: 0-186 *124
    Young Link: 0-166 *111
    Pichu: 0-126 *84
    Pikachu: 0-145 *101
    Jigglypuff: 0-74 *72
    Mewtwo: 0-105 *93
    Mr. Game & Watch: 0-120 *82
    Marth: 0-154 *109
    Roy: 0-183 *117

    Dtilt > Jab Reset - 13%
    (Credit to DD151 for everything but the GIF)

    "I was randomly thinking about the Thunders combo today (Fox shine > jab reset vs. opponents that get knocked down by shine) and wondered if Yoshi could do a similar combo with his D-tilt. I quickly tested vs. Marth and C. Falcon and discovered that Yoshi can jab reset a missed tech off D-tilt if neither character DIs. This piqued my curiosity, so I went and collected the following data:

    [​IMG]

    If "Air ___ DI" < "D-t HS," that means the character cannot jump out before he hits the ground. Values for air time might fluctuate by a frame or so because sometimes the character hits the ground slightly later or earlier due to being in a different knockback animation. The optimal DI for D-tilt is actually 118 degrees, but I chose 135 degrees because it's the best approximation that was easy enough for me to test and an opponent would most likely be attempting to DI in a direction corresponding to a controller notch.

    How to interpret this data:

    Characters who are forced into knockdown with no DI: all characters except Jigglypuff
    Characters who are forced into knockdown with 135° DI: Bowser, DK, Ganon, Yoshi, C. Falcon, Link, Sheik, Roy, Y. Link, Falco *, Fox *

    * Falco and Fox fly too far and hit the ground too soon for a jab reset to be possible.

    D-tilt has 15 frames cooldown after its first active hitbox frame. A frame-perfect wavedash takes 15 frames before Yoshi is actionable. Jab has 3 frames start-up. A character's missed tech animation is 26 frames. What this means is that Yoshi has (x - 8) frames to dash to the opponent, x being the number of frames that the opponent is airborne. This is more lenient against heavy characters (since they don't get knocked as far) and slower falling characters (since they hit the ground later but still in hitstun).

    Since Yoshi positions himself to jab reset opponents and does not have to commit to an attack until his wavedash is complete, he is also in a position to tech chase techrolls on reaction. Responding to tech in place is more difficult because Yoshi frequently will only be able to jab before the opponent is actionable, although F-tilt and D-smash may work vs. certain characters. I guess getting a 2-hit jab combo isn't so bad if you can't get anything else."

    Here is a visual example of the reset.

    [​IMG]

    Uthrow (No DI) > Utilt - 15%

    Fox: 30-230


    Uthrow (DI Away) > Ftilt - 16-18%

    Fox: 6%-160% (not tested higher)

    This combo also works on DI behind but stops working at a lower %.


    Uthrow (Any DI) > Dsmash - 19%

    Fox: 6-70


    Uthrow (DI Away) > Fsmash - 21%

    Fox: 101-134

    This combo also works on DI behind but stops working at a lower %.


    Uthrow (DI Away) > Dash Attack - 14%

    Fox: 101-160 (not tested higher)


    Uthrow (No DI) > DJC Uair - 18%

    Fox: 77-160 (not tested higher)


    Uthrow (No DI) > Nair - 19%

    Fox: 30-160 (not tested higher)


    Uthrow (DI Away) > Nair - 19%

    Fox: 42-160 (not tested higher)

    This combo works on DI behind but likely stops working at a lower %.

    Dthrow (No DI) > Nair - 18%

    Falco: 0-485
    Fox: 0-425


    DThrow (No DI) > Uair - 17%

    Falco: 0-834 *146
    Fox: 0-769 *137


    Dthrow (No DI) > Uair (No DI) > Uair - 28%

    Falco: 15-109 *105
    Fox: 15-98 *96


    Dthrow (No DI) > Dsmash - 18%

    Fox: 0-115


    Dthrow (DI Away) > Dsmash - 18%

    Fox: 6-160 (not tested further)

    Dthrow (No DI or DI Behind) > Fsmash - 20%

    Fox: 0-160 (not tested further)


    Dthrow (Slight DI Away) > Dash Grab - 4%

    Fox: 0-118


    Dthrow (Any DI other than Full Away) > DJC Uair - 17%

    Fox: 0-160 (not tested further)


    Dthrow (Any DI other than Full Away) > Nair - 18%

    Fox: 0-160 (not tested further)


    Dthrow (DI Away) > Techchase - 4%
    Fox: 0-144%

    See the techchasing subsection for more information.


    Game & Watch Dthrow threshold

    From 0-515%, Mr. Game & Watch will not go anywhere after down throw. Techchasing should be possible during this time. From 516% onwards, Game & Watch will fly away like every other character.

    This method allows you to techchase Fox and Captain Falcon 100% on reaction when they DI your Dthrow away. Falco can be done nearly on reaction, with one exception (see below). The important part is wavedashing forward out of your Dthrow in reaction to the DI away.

    All information here assumes a 15 frame reaction time. All GIFs include this reaction time for DI and tech options. All GIFs show a 5 frame dash into a wavedash, but this exact timing is not required.

    Fox

    At 0% with straight away DI
    1 Throw
    11 [Release]
    34 [Yoshi is actionable]
    54 [Tech]

    With 5 frames of dash and a perfect wavedash, Yoshi will follow Fox right to where he will tech and will be actionable on the frame that Fox reaches the ground.

    Upon a missed tech, Fox will be vulnerable for 26 frames before being able to do a bufferable getup option.

    - Window for punishing with jab: 9 frames
    - Window for punishing with Ftilt/Dsmash: 6 frames
    - Window for punishing with Utilt/Dtilt: 4 frames

    [​IMG]

    Upon a tech in place, Fox will be intangible for 20/26 frames.

    - Window for punishing with Ftilt/Dsmash: 6 frames
    - Window for punishing with Utilt/Dtilt: 4 frames

    Utilt is usually better, but Ftilt becomes a good option at 14% and up. Ftilt is much easier to space, and can be used as a DI trap for opponents expecting Utilt. Dsmash is good at high %.

    [​IMG]

    Upon a techroll away, Fox will be intangible for 20/40 frames. The second frame is distinct and can be distinguished from other tech options, so the estimated reaction time will start from there. The soonest that Yoshi can reach Fox with a dashgrab is by dashing for 5 frames and then grabbing. The latest that Yoshi can start the dashgrab is frame 27 of the techroll.

    - Window for punishing with Dashgrab: 7 frames
    - Window for punishing with Run Cancel Dsmash*: 3 frames
    - Window for punishing with Dash Attack: 11 frames

    Dashgrab is best at low %. Dsmash and Dash Attack are good at high %.

    [​IMG]

    Upon a techroll towards, Fox will be intangible for 20/40 frames. The second frame is distinct and can be distinguished from other tech options, so the estimated reaction time will start from there. The soonest that Yoshi can reach Fox with a dashgrab is by turning for 1 frame, dashing for 1 frame and then grabbing. The latest that Yoshi can start the dashgrab is frame 30.

    - Window for punishing with Dashgrab: 12 frames
    - Window for punishing with Run Cancel Dsmash*: 2 frames
    - Window for punishing with Pivot Dsmash*: 1 frame
    - Window for punishing with Dash Attack**: 13 frames

    Dashgrab is best at low %. Dsmash and Dash Attack are good at high %.

    [​IMG]


    Falco

    At 0% with straight away DI
    1 Throw
    12 [Release]
    36 [Yoshi is actionable]
    54 [Falco techs]

    With 5 frames of dash and a perfect wavedash, Yoshi will follow Falco right to where he will tech and will be actionable on the third frame after Falco reaches the ground.

    Upon a missed tech, Falco will be vulnerable for 26 frames before being able to do a bufferable getup option.

    - Window for punishing with jab: 9 frames
    - Window for punishing with Ftilt/Dsmash: 6 frames
    - Window for punishing with Utilt/Dtilt: 4 frames

    [​IMG]

    Upon a tech in place, Falco will be intangible for 20/26 frames.

    - Window for punishing with Ftilt/Dsmash: 6 frames
    - Window for punishing with Utilt/Dtilt: 4 frames

    Utilt is useful at any %. Ftilt becomes useful at 17% and can be used as a DI trap against opponents expecting Utilt. Dsmash is good at high%.

    [​IMG]

    Upon a techroll away, Falco will be intangible for 20/40 frames. The second frame is distinct and can be distinguished from other tech options, so the estimated reaction time will start from there. Unfortunately, Yoshi can not reach Falco with dashgrab before his techroll animation is over, but Yoshi can still use frame traps to get a follow-up. The soonest that Yoshi can reach Falco is by dashing for 10 frames and then grabbing. This will reach Falco on the two frames after Falco’s techroll is over. Because Falco’s fastest options that can block the grab are Shine and Spot dodge, Yoshi can still get the grab. If Falco buffers a Spot dodge, he will be grabbed on the first frame (while he is in shield) and if he Shines, he will be grabbed on the second frame (after losing intangibility). If Falco does a frame perfect Spot Dodge, some Z-axis nonsense happens:

    [​IMG]

    Overall, it is very difficult to Dashgrab Falco from a techroll away on reaction.

    - Window for punishing with Dashgrab: 0 frames (unless Falco does anything other than a frame perfect non-buffered spotdodge after the techroll)
    - Window for punishing with Run Cancel Dsmash*: 3 frames
    - Window for punishing with Dash Attack: 10 frames

    Dash Attack has the most reasonable frame window, but is not safe until 46%. Dsmash is safe at 12% and up, but will not lead to much.

    [​IMG]

    Upon a techroll towards, Falco will be intangible for 20/40 frames. The second frame is distinct and can be distinguished from other tech options, so the estimated reaction time will start from there. The soonest that Yoshi can reach Falco with a dashgrab is by turning for 1 frame, dashing for 1 frame and then grabbing. The latest that Yoshi can start the dashgrab is frame 30 of the techroll.

    - Window for punishing with Dashgrab: 12 frames
    - Window for punishing with Run Cancel Dsmash: 2 frames
    - Window for punishing with Dash Attack**: 13 frames

    Dashgrab is best at low %. Dsmash and Dash Attack become good at high %.

    [​IMG]


    Captain Falcon

    At 0% with straight away DI
    1 Throw
    11 [Release]
    46 [Yoshi is actionable]
    64 [Falcon Techs]

    With 5 frames of dash and a perfect wavedash, Yoshi will follow Falcon right to where he will tech and will be actionable on the third frame after Falcon reaches the ground.

    Upon a missed tech, Falcon will be vulnerable for 26 frames before being able to do a bufferable getup option.

    - Window for punishing with jab: 9 frames
    - Window for punishing with Ftilt/Dsmash: 6 frames
    - Window for punishing with Utilt/Dtilt: 4 frames

    [​IMG]

    Upon a tech in place, Falcon will be intangible for 20/26 frames.

    - Window for punishing with Ftilt/Dsmash: 6 frames
    - Window for punishing with Utilt/Dtilt: 4 frames

    Utilt is usually better, but Ftilt becomes a good option at 14% and up. Ftilt is much easier to space, and can be used as a DI trap for opponents expecting Utilt. Dsmash is good at high %.

    [​IMG]

    Upon a techroll away, Falcon will be intangible for 20/40 frames. The second frame is distinct and can be distinguished from other tech options, so the estimated reaction time will start from there. The soonest that Yoshi can reach Falcon with a dashgrab is by dashing for 5 frames and then grabbing. The latest that Yoshi can start the dashgrab is frame 25 of the techroll.

    - Window for punishing with Dashgrab: 5 frames
    - Window for punishing with Run Cancel Dsmash: 3 frames
    - Window for punishing with Dash Attack: 11 frames

    Dashgrab is best at low %. Dsmash and Dash Attack are good at high %.

    [​IMG]

    Upon a techroll towards, Falcon will be intangible for 20/40 frames. The second frame is distinct and can be distinguished from other tech options, so the estimated reaction time will start from there. The soonest that Yoshi can reach Falcon with a dashgrab is by turning for 1 frame, dashing for 1 frame and then grabbing. The latest that Yoshi can start the dashgrab is frame 30 of the techroll.

    - Window for punishing with Dashgrab: 12 frames
    - Window for punishing with Run Cancel Dsmash: 2 frames
    - Window for punishing with Pivot Dsmash*: 1 frame
    - Window for punishing with Dash Attack**: 13 frames

    Dashgrab is best at low %. Dsmash and Dash Attack are good at high %.

    [​IMG]

    ---

    * note that this will be the weak hit of Dsmash because it will tipper
    ** it is easy to accidentally get a reverse hit with this move when punishing techroll towards

    Fair (No DI) > Dsmash – 31%

    Doctor Mario: 0-30
    Mario: 0-30
    Luigi: 0-13
    Bowser: 0-52
    Peach: 0-16
    Yoshi: 0-44
    DK: 0-64
    Captain Falcon: 0-90
    Ganondorf: 0-50
    Falco: 0-91
    Fox: 0-82
    Ness: 0-31
    Ice Climbers: N/A
    Kirby: 0-20
    Samus: 0-8
    Zelda: 0-13
    Sheik: 0-49
    Link: 0-54
    Young Link: 0-47
    Pichu: 0-28
    Pikachu: 0-35
    Jigglypuff: 0-5
    Mewtwo: 0-25
    Mr. Game & Watch: 0-25
    Marth: 0-39
    Roy: 0-55


    Fair (No DI) > Nair - 31%

    Doctor Mario: 8-87
    Mario: 8-87
    Luigi: 8-79
    Bowser: 10-110
    Peach: 6-73
    Yoshi: 9-106
    DK: 9-125
    Captain Falcon: 8-141
    Ganondorf: 9-107
    Falco: 5-132
    Fox: 5-116
    Ness: 7-87
    Ice Climbers: N/A
    Kirby: 4-69
    Samus: 9-68
    Zelda: 6-68
    Sheik: 6-101
    Link: 8-107
    Young Link: 6-98
    Pichu: 2-72
    Pikachu: 5-86
    Jigglypuff: 3-51
    Mewtwo: 6-80
    Mr. Game & Watch: 3-71
    Marth: 6-98
    Roy: 6-107


    Fair (No DI) > Uair - 30%

    Doctor Mario: 8-97 *85
    Mario: 8-97 *85
    Luigi: 8-91 *81
    Bowser: 10-119 *102
    Peach: 6-86 *76
    Yoshi: 9-111 *94
    DK: 9-134 *107
    Captain Falcon: 8-146 *116
    Ganondorf: 9-109 *101
    Falco: 5-137 *110
    Fox: 5-125 *100
    Ness: 7-97 *83
    Ice Climbers: N/A
    Kirby: 4-76 *66
    Samus: 9-87 *82
    Zelda: 6-79 *72
    Sheik: 6-104 *90
    Link: 8-115 *98
    Young Link: 6-100 *87
    Pichu: 2-79 *64
    Pikachu: 5-90 *79
    Jigglypuff: 3-58 *55
    Mewtwo: 6-83 *73
    Mr. Game & Watch: 3-77 *63
    Marth: 6-100 *87
    Roy: 6-110 *93

    Fair (No DI) > Grounded Yoshi Bomb - 33%

    Doctor Mario: 28-65 *60
    Mario: 28-65 *60
    Luigi: 26-60 *58
    Bowser: N/A
    Peach: 25-56 *51
    Yoshi: N/A
    DK: N/A
    Captain Falcon: 53-117 *89
    Ganondorf: 36-85 *71
    Falco: 54-110 *80
    Fox: 48-102 *75
    Ness: N/A
    Ice Climbers: N/A
    Kirby: N/A
    Samus: 29-58 *58
    Zelda: N/A
    Sheik: 33-81 *64
    Link: N/A
    Young Link: N/A
    Pichu: N/A
    Pikachu: 28-66 *55
    Jigglypuff: 17-39 *35

    Mewtwo: N/A
    Mr. Game & Watch: N/A
    Marth: 30-74 *61
    Roy: N/A

    Fair (No DI) > Waveland Yoshi Bomb - 33%

    (Using Battlefield side platform)

    Captain Falcon: (not tested further) 117-132
    Falco: (not tested further) 110-125
    Fox: (not tested further) 102-114



    Fair (No DI) > Airborne Yoshi Bomb - 31%

    Doctor Mario: 27-56
    Mario: 27-56
    Fox: 46-117 *93

    The opponent is assumed to be grounded when hit by the Uair.

    Uair > Dsmash - 27%

    Doctor Mario: 0-16
    Mario: 0-16
    Luigi: 0-4
    Bowser: 0-42
    Peach: 0-7
    Yoshi: 0-25
    DK: 0-41
    Captain Falcon: 0-62
    Ganondorf: 0-35
    Falco: 0-66
    Fox: 0-61
    Ness: 0-20
    Ice Climbers: N/A
    Kirby: 0-5
    Samus: Does not combo
    Zelda: Does not combo
    Sheik: 0-38
    Link: 0-34
    Young Link: 0-29
    Pichu: 0-22
    Pikachu: 0-19
    Jigglypuff: Does not combo
    Mewtwo: 0-14
    Mr. Game & Watch: 0-9
    Marth: 0-17
    Roy: 0-30

    This information is probably wrong. I will be changing it when I can.


    Projected Latest Optionless Tap

    From Magus's post on jab resets:
    An Optionless Tap Reset is a jab reset from which you can't buffer a getup option.
    An Option Tap Reset is a jab reset from which you can buffer a getup roll or input (frame perfect) a getup attack.

    According to the post I read, your attack must cause less than 7% damage and fewer than 13 frames of hitstun in order to result in an optionless tap reset. Based on the knockback/hitstun formula, Yoshi's jab should result in an optionless tap reset until these %s. I have not been able test these, but they should be fairly accurate.

    Doctor Mario: 71
    Mario: 71
    Luigi: 71
    Bowser: 77
    Peach: 67
    Yoshi: 74
    DK: 77
    Captain Falcon: 72
    Ganondorf: 74
    Falco: 63
    Fox: 61
    Ness: 69
    Ice Climbers: 66
    Kirby: 60
    Samus: 77
    Zelda: 67
    Sheik: 67
    Link: 72
    Young Link: 65
    Pichu: 54
    Pikachu: 63
    Jigglypuff: 56
    Mewtwo: 65
    Mr. Game & Watch: 56
    Marth: 66
    Roy: 65

    Yoshi’s Jab has 3 frames of hitlag and takes 17 frames before you can jump. Every character waits 13 frames between getting hit by the jab and starting the jab reset. This means you can act as soon as frame 3 of the opponent's getup.

    Every character also has vulnerable frames at the end of the jab reset.
    The format below is: Intangible frames / Total getup frames.

    Peach: 20/30
    DK: 24/30
    Ice Climbers: 20/30
    Zelda: 20/30
    Sheik: 20/30
    Marth: 22/30
    Roy: 22/30
    Everyone else: 23/30

    Frame windows for all follow-ups from jab reset:
    Fair: 4 on everyone

    (Yoshi’s Fair can hit as early as frame 27 of the getup animation, so vulnerable frames before this point do not matter.)

    Anything that hits in 22 frames or less will have the full frame window available: vulnerability + number of frames the hitbox is out -1

    Uair: 8 (must be spaced very low for some characters)
    Utilt, Ftilt and Dsmash: 9
    Dtilt, Usmash and Fsmash: 11
    Grab: 12

    Add 3 frames to the window for Peach/Ice Climbers/Sheik/Zelda (except in the case of Grab because it takes so long to hit), 1 frame for Marth/Roy (except grab), subtract 1 frame for DK. This does not apply to Fair, which is a 4-frame window on every character.

    I looked at two methods of covering all tech options on platforms without reading or reacting. These are Double Jump Land > Dsmash and Full Jump Fair > Turnaround Ftilt/Dsmash.

    Because Dream Land has the longest platforms, I chose to use them for the test. Dsmash and Fair > Dsmash, if spaced properly, will cover the entire platform on Dream Land or any other stage.

    DJL > Dsmash on Dream Land platform:
    1 Full Jump
    23 Double Jump
    24 Wait
    25 Dsmash
    30 Hitbox
    45 Second Hitbox

    Window for covering all options with Dsmash: 6 frames

    By timing the Dsmash so that the first hit comes out on frames 20-25 of the opponent's tech option, and spacing it so that Yoshi is in the middle of the platform and facing the opponent, you can cover missed tech, tech in place and techroll away with the first hit, and techroll behind with the second hit.

    In this example, all options are covered:

    [​IMG]

    Frame 64 of the GIF is shown here

    [​IMG]

    The downside to this, of course is that you usually don't want to Dsmash your opponent to the middle of the stage.


    Full Jump Fair > Dsmash on Dream Land platform:
    1 Full Jump
    18 Fair
    34 Fastfall
    36 Hitbox
    37 Land
    47 Turnaround
    48 Ftilt/Dsmash
    53 Hitbox

    Window for covering all options with Fair > turnaround Dsmash/Ftilt: 3 frames

    By timing the Fair so that its hitbox comes out on frame 21 of your opponent's tech option, and spacing it so that the Fair covers one half of the platform, you can cover missed tech, tech in place and techroll to that side of the platform with the Fair, and then turn around and cover the other techroll with either Dsmash (for the outer side of the platform at higher %) or Ftilt (for either side of the platform at lower %).

    Here is an example of the Fair covering tech in place:

    [​IMG]

    Note that you do not necessarily need to space the Fair in the middle of the platform if the opponent techs in the middle. Covering either half of the platform will also cover the middle.

    Here is an example of the same Fair covering tech in place, while the Ftilt covers techroll behind:

    [​IMG]

    There are some complications when platform techchasing like this. If you are at centre stage and the opponent is sent towards one of the side platforms, and they tech on the inner (or closer) half of the platform, it is difficult to cover all tech options. This is because you must turn around and jump backwards to cover the inner half of the platform with either Fair or the first hit of Dsmash. It is possible to do, but adds an extra technical requirement. Dash toward the platform > pivot > Full Jump backward > Fair should get you there if you can do that. Something simpler like Full Jump Nair > Dashgrab or maybe Dsmash would be useful if jumping backwards onto the platform with Fair does not seem reasonable to you.

    To set up these platform techchases, you need to force the opponent to tech on the platform and have enough time to get your hitboxes out on the right frames. I looked at 8 possible setups for these platform techchases. The numbers are for Falco on Dream Land, but the information should be applicable to other characters and other stages as well (with the spacing being easier on other stages). All setups are from the ground, and the frame count starts with the frame on which the opponent is hit, and includes hitlag.

    [​IMG]

    The Ftilt row assumes you hit ith the 80° hitbox.

    For information on individual moves or animations and the way they work.

    Animations played at 1/3 speed.


    Regular getup (landing on back)

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 23/30


    Regular getup (landing on front)

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 23/30


    Roll forward (landing on back)

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 19/35


    Roll forward (landing on front)

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 14/35


    Roll backward (landing on back)

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 24/35


    Roll backward (landing on front)

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 29/35


    Getup attack (landing on back)

    [​IMG]
    Hits: 13-14, 19-20
    Intangible: 20/49


    Getup attack (landing on front)

    [​IMG]
    Hits: 14-15, 25-26
    Intangible: 26/49


    Tech in place

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 20/26


    Techroll forward

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 20/40


    Techroll backward

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 20/40


    Wall tech

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 14/31
    IASA: 6 and onward


    Wall jump tech

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 14/45
    IASA: 6 and onward


    Ceiling tech

    [​IMG]
    Intangible: 14/26

    All GIFs shown in this section are played at 1/3 speed (20FPS). Pichu and Bowser are used in the GIFs to show the fastest (lightest) and slowest (heaviest) possible throw.
    • All throws are invincible for the first 8 frames. The character being thrown is intangible until released.

    • The speed of the throw is affected by the weight of the character being thrown (heavier characters take longer to throw).

    Forward Throw

    [​IMG]

    Thrown on: 11
    Total Frames: 22
    [​IMG]

    Thrown on: 23
    Total Frames: 46


    Backward Throw

    [​IMG]

    Thrown on: 11
    Total Frames: 24

    [​IMG]

    Thrown on: 23
    Total Frames: 51


    Upward Throw

    [​IMG]


    Thrown on: 7
    Total Frames: 24

    [​IMG]

    Thrown on: 15
    Total Frames: 51


    Downward Throw

    [​IMG]


    Thrown on: 8
    Total Frames: 24
    [​IMG]

    Thrown on: 17
    Total Frames: 51


    Egg Lay

    [​IMG]

    Thrown on: 45
    Total Frames: 49

    • Unlike Yoshi’s regular throws, Egg Lay does not slow down for heavier characters.
    • Yoshi is invincible for the last 24 frames of the animation.

    All information aside from the GIF is from DD151.

    "Yoshi always executes the first 19 frames of the Egg Lay animation. Keep in mind that Egg Lay has a grabbox frames 17-21. After the first 19 frames of the animation, or when the grabbox makes contact with a target, whichever is later, Yoshi then has a 30 frame animation where he swallows the target and poops out the egg. This animation is independent of the target's weight - I tested this with Bowser and Pichu. This animation can't be interrupted by a jump, and I don't think it can be interrupted at all.

    The target is ejected as an egg on frame 26 of the pooping animation. I think the target can begin inputs to escape as early as 2 frames before he becomes an egg; not sure on this. I didn't test this extensively.

    A target that doesn't attempt to mash out at all will be trapped in the egg for 199 frames (YoshiEgg) and will break out into the Fall animation on frame 200 if they haven't. If the target is inputting A/B/X/Y/up on the frame before he breaks out of the YoshiEgg animation, then he will break out directly into a double jump or an attack depending on the input. The YoshiEgg animation is an 8-frame loop that goes from 0 to 7. If the target is a higher port number than Yoshi, the first frame of the YoshiEgg animation when the target is pooped out is frame 1 of the animation, not frame 0 - it goes from 1 to 7, then it loops repeatedly from 0 to 7.

    The YoshiEgg duration seems to be independent of the target's weight and %. I tested Bowser @ 0%, Pichu @ 0%, and Pichu @ 108%.

    If the target mashes 1 of A/B/X/Y every frame, he will be trapped in YoshiEgg for 13 frames and escape on the 14th.

    If the target inputs a direction on the control stick every frame, he will be trapped in YoshiEgg for 13 frames and escape on the 14th.

    If the target mashes 1 of A/B/X/Y every frame and inputs a direction on the control stick every frame, he will be trapped in YoshiEgg for 6 frames and escape on the 7th.

    The L/R buttons, C-stick, and D-pad have no effect on YoshiEgg duration. The target cannot input 2 of A/B/X/Y on a particular frame. I'm pretty sure the Z button does nothing as well, but Z frame advances in develop mode, so I don't know how to test.


    Finally, Nana. Nana actually does seem to mash a tiny bit right when she enters YoshiEgg. Nana is always trapped in YoshiEgg for 185 frames and will break out into the Fall animation on frame 186. Popo's inputs have zero effect on how long Nana is trapped in YoshiEgg.

    So based on this information. I have the following hypotheses. Each input reduces the duration that a target will be trapped in YoshiEgg by 14 frames. This is based on the fact that Nana escapes from YoshiEgg 14 frames faster than a target that attempts no inputs at all (correlating assumption is that Nana attempts exactly one input, presumably so she can fall towards Popo). Additionally, inputs take effect starting the frame before YoshiEgg comes out. This is based on the fact that assuming 1 input = 14 frames, there needs to be 14 inputs for a frame 14 escape and 7 inputs for a frame 7 escape, which is consistent with the data. I don't have the time right now for further testing to confirm this."

    Below is an example of a frame perfect mash.

    [​IMG]

    Here is a visual indicator of the range of some of Yoshi's attacks. Multiple lines were used to show Utilt and Usmash because they cover a wide area over time. Utilt moves from front to back, and Usmash moves from back to front.

    [​IMG]

    Same thing, but this time with Yoshi's options from a dashdance.

    [​IMG]

    The options listed take the following number of frames to hit at the ranges shown:

    DJC Neutral Air: 10 frames
    JC Up Smash: 12 frames (start) to 16 frames (end)
    Instant Up Air: 10 frames
    Dash Grab: 11 frames (start) to 16 frames (end)
    Dash Attack: 10 frames (start) to 23 frames (end)
    RC Down Tilt: 11 frames
    Wavedash Down Tilt: 23 frames
    DJC Egg Lay: 24 frames (start) to 28 (end)
    Pivot Bair: 15 frames, 21 frames, 28 frames, 33 frames


    Here are some of the previous options compared to running parry. For each option, the parry is timed to start on the same frame as the attack's hitbox would, and all options are performed starting from the front of the accompanying dash dance.

    Dash Attack: 10 frames and 23 frames (beginning and ending)

    [​IMG]


    Dash Grab: 11 frames and 16 frames (beginning and ending)

    [​IMG]


    Run Cancel Down Tilt: 11 frames

    [​IMG]

    Pivot Back Air: 15-17 frames (first hit)

    [​IMG]

    Because these attacks line up very well with their respective running parries, they are good to use as mixups together. The threat of the attack makes the opponent more likely to attack early (if they will attack), which makes the parry easy to land. The threat of parrying and attacking together can make the opponent more likely to retreat than attack, which allows Yoshi to safely move forward and take space.

    Note that the moves don't have to line up exactly with the parry, since Yoshi only needs to get hit by an opponent's hitbox (which will usually be in front of them) to land the parry, while he needs his hitbox to reach far enough to hit his opponent. Because of this, the parry can (and maybe should) be behind the related attack. Pivot Back Air does not quite fit this pattern, so it may be more useful to use Pivot Back Air against an opponent who intends to jump without attacking, and save Dash Attack or Up Air for opponents who (respectively) will short hop or full jump with an attack.

    These two images show the range of Yoshi's parry on each frame that it is active.


    From stand, crouch, pivot or dash:

    [​IMG]


    From run:

    [​IMG]

    Even though Yoshi tucks his head in during the parry, the range still moves forward because of his momentum from the run.

    Yoshi’s Ftilt has three hitboxes. Each one has a different knockback angle.

    [​IMG]

    If more than one hitbox overlaps the opponent, the hitbox closest to Yoshi will take priority.

    Here is the farthest that Yoshi can retreat before doing pivot Ftilt.

    [​IMG]

    The Ftilting Yoshi looks like he is not lined up vertically with the standing and dashing Yoshis, but this is just because of his Ftilt animation.

    [​IMG]

    Yoshi moves backwards during the beginning of his Fsmash animation. This can be used to dodge and punish attacks that are spaced to hit his head.

    Here are the first 20 frames of Yoshi's Fsmash along with a standing frame.

    [​IMG]

    Frame 1: Yoshi's head is no longer in front of his body. It is now directly above his feet.
    Frame 2: Yoshi's head and upper body are behind his feet.
    Frame 3: Yoshi's entire body is behind his front foot.

    Yoshi stays in this position for some time.

    Frame 13: Yoshi's head and body move directly above his feet. The top of Yoshi's head is intangible.
    Frame 14: Yoshi's head is in front of his feet. Fsmash hits on this frame.

    Because of the speed with which Yoshi moves his head back, and the large amount of time Yoshi spends like this, Fsmash is often safe against moves that are "tipper" spaced.

    Battlefield
    [​IMG]
    Fountain of Dreams

    Only the starting positions of the platforms were included.

    Left
    [​IMG]

    Right
    [​IMG]


    Pokémon Stadium

    Fire
    [​IMG]

    Grass Platform
    [​IMG]

    Grass Tree
    [​IMG]

    Ground Pit High
    [​IMG]

    Ground Pit Low
    [​IMG]

    Ground Pit Side
    [​IMG]

    Neutral
    [​IMG]

    Water
    [​IMG]


    Yoshi's Story

    High
    [​IMG]

    Low
    [​IMG]

    Yoshi’s Dsmash has three hitboxes on each swing. The tipper hitbox has a different knockback growth value each time.

    [​IMG]

    For the first swing, the tipper hitbox has a knockback growth value of 60. The other two hitboxes have a knockback growth value of 75.

    [​IMG]

    For the second swing, the tipper hitbox has a knockback growth value of 80. The other two hitboxes have a knockback growth value of 75.


    Here is an example of the first hit (tipper). The beginning is slowed down:

    [​IMG]

    Here is an example of the first hit (not tipper). The beginning is slowed down:

    [​IMG]

    If more than one hitbox overlaps the opponent, the hitbox closest to Yoshi will take priority.

    During the vulnerable part of Yoshi’s roll (frames 1-3 and 20+), Yoshi is still mostly intangible. Only the centre of his egg can be hit. Here is the first frame of Yoshi’s roll with the vulnerable hurtbox highlighted:

    [​IMG]

    Courtesy of aMSa, here is a list of the % at which Yoshi's vertical KO moves will guarantee a KO (with optimal survival DI) from the ground.

    [​IMG]

    All credit here goes to /u/lucatron on Reddit, except where otherwise mentioned.

    Here is an image of the control stick inputs that can be read for Egg Toss. The X value (left-right) is the only one that influences trajectory. Holding B makes the egg fly farther, with 17 different strengths (credit to Schmooblidon).

    [​IMG]

    The resulting 61 possible angles based on stick position at max throw strength (1 for stick straight up, 1 each for stick backwards and stick forwards, 29 each for the multiple forward and backward angles).

    [​IMG]

    http://gfycat.com/FearfulPreciousKoalabear


    The duration that B is held determines the strength of the Egg Toss. Here is an image showing the 17 possible strengths and their resulting trajectories for 3 of the possible angles inputs.

    [​IMG]

    Here is the same image with the trajectories overlaid to the same starting point.

    [​IMG]

    An observation by /u/lucatron:

    "An interesting result of this display is that the eggs from each angle form almost straight lines (I’m not sure whether this is because of perspective though, lines should be preserved in perspective right?). The angle of each line also happens to be nearly the same as the throw angle."

    [​IMG]

    http://gfycat.com/UncomfortableSaltyIndianhare

    Properties and uses of Yoshi's unique double jump are explained here.

    Yoshi's Double Jump has knockback armor. 120 knockback is subtracted from anything that hits Yoshi during his Double Jump. If the difference is negative, Yoshi will not flinch from the attack.

    Here is a spreadsheet, courtesy of DD151, of the thresholds at which every move will break Yoshi's armor.

    Please disregard set knockback (also called weigh-based knockback) moves, as their entries in the spreadsheet are innacurate.

    In the future I will port the information from the spreadsheet to this thread with corrected entries for set knockback moves (a simple yes or no).

    In the future, I will post the actual distance travelled on each frame. This interests me because it seems to explain how DJC works and why fastfalling acts the way it does with Yoshi's DJ.

    Frame 1: No movement
    Frames 2-8: Down
    Frames 9-53: Up
    Frames 54-70: Down

    Latest Retreating DJC
    1 Double Jump backwards
    5 Aerial

    Earliest Reverse DJC
    1 Double Jump backwards
    6 Aerial

    1 Double Jump
    2-9 Aerial
    Next frame Fastfall

    If you use an aerial on frame 10 or later, you will not be able to fastfall right away. This means that the window for a fast reverse DJC is 4 frames.

    Here is a chart showing the frame on which you can fastfall based on how late you DJC:

    [​IMG]

    Perfect DJL
    1 Jump
    6 Double Jump
    7 [Landing frame]

    You have knockback armour on frame 7. You can act on frame 8. You can air dodge on frame 7 (any other action will cause you to land).

    Imperfect DJL
    1 Jump
    7 Double Jump
    10 [Landing frame]

    You have knockback armour on frames 7-9. You can act on frame 11. You can act on frames 8 and 9 to prevent the Double Jump Land (you will still be close to the ground, so most actions will cause you to land within a few frames).

    To easily tell if your DJLs are frame perfect, listen for Yoshi's DJ sound. If he begins to hum before you land, you're doing the imperfect one. Frame perfect ones will not cause Yoshi to hum.

    Pictured: 1/16 speed DJL and Dash (to show the lack of a landing animation)
    [​IMG]

    Pictured: Repeated DJLs
    [​IMG]

    This looks ridiculous.

    1 Jump
    7 Double Jump
    8 Nair
    9 L-Cancel
    10 [Hitbox]
    11 Fastfall [Land]
    12-17 [Landing Frames]

    You can act on frame 18.

    [​IMG]

    There is a hitbox there, I promise!

    Yoshi can get extra distance from his wavedash by double jumping forward before the air dodge.
    Here is a comparison of wavedashing and DJC wavedashing:
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    The best distance I could get was with this timing:
    1 Jump
    8 Double Jump
    15 Air Dodge

    DJC wavedashes also allow you to use the usual movement mixups that you get from DJCs, such as reversing your momentum, stopping your momentum, turning around while in the air, etc.

    This is a list of techniques that Yoshi can use while on the ledge, getting to the ledge, coming from the ledge, or edgeguarding.

    [​IMG]

    The fastest possible timing, using a reference point of one roll's length from the ledge, is as follows:
    1 Dash
    14 Run
    16 Egg Toss
    34 [Grab Ledge]

    All dashes listed start at one roll's length from the ledge.

    1 Dash
    13 Jumpsquat
    14 Egg Toss
    41 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Jumpsquat
    15 Egg Toss
    37 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    15 Egg Toss
    35 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    15 Jumpsquat
    16 Egg Toss
    35 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    16 Egg Toss
    34 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    16 Jumpsquat
    17 Egg Toss
    35 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    17 Egg Toss
    35 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    17 Jumpsquat
    18 Egg Toss
    36 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    18 Egg Toss
    36 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    18 Jumpsquat
    19 Egg Toss
    37 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    19 Egg Toss
    37 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Dash
    14 Run
    19 Jumpsquat
    20 Egg Toss
    38 [Grab Ledge]

    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let go
    10 Double-Jump (Stick must be neutral)
    21 Egg Toss
    38 [Vulnerable] [Hitbox]
    39 [Grab Ledge]

    The hitbox on frame 38 covers the front of Yoshi's head, and may prevent Yoshi from being hit due to hitlag (I am not sure about this).

    [​IMG]

    Egg Toss must be on frame 21 or later. Any earlier, and you will SD. For each frame that Double-Jump is delayed, up to frame 16, Egg Toss must also be delayed by one frame. This does not delay your intangibility, so the egg hitbox will not protect you unless the inputs are frame perfect. If you Double-Jump on frame 17 or later, the delay timing gets less consistent.

    [​IMG]

    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let go
    10 Reverse Double Jump (angled up)
    11 Hold backward
    21 Egg Toss
    38 [Vulnerable] [Hitbox]
    39 [Grab Ledge]

    Holding backwards can be done as late as frame 14 and can be held at an upwards angle (so you don’t have to move the stick on frame 21) as long as you are holding it by frame 12. Pressing X or Y is not required for the Double Jump because angling the stick diagonally will cause you to jump.

    [​IMG]

    This highlights an interesting feature of Yoshi's double jump (and potentially others as well): it not only has a diagonal variation in addition to the reverse version, but this diagonal reverse double jump allows you to drift backwards at the beginning. Without this, the GIF shown above would be impossible.

    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let go
    10-13 Double Jump
    20/21 Yoshi Bomb (Not effected by Double Jump timing)
    38 [Grab Ledge]

    OR

    14 Double Jump
    21 Yoshi Bomb
    38 [Grab Ledge]

    Double Jump on frame 14 and Yoshi Bomb on frame 20 will cause an SD. Double Jump on any earlier frame and Yoshi Bomb on frame 22 will not SD, but won't be fully intangible.

    [​IMG]

    There are different variations of the Haxdash for Yoshi. This is the most basic one.

    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let go
    10 Double Jump forward
    27 Air Dodge [Land]
    28 [Fall]
    38 [Grab Ledge]

    Holding forward after the Double Jump gives no frame advantage (you still have to wait until frame 27 to Air Dodge), and fastfalling after the Air Dodge will result in an SD. It is possible to Air Dodge on frame 28 (will result in 1-frame vulnerability) or 29/30 (3-frame vulnerability). The angle must be less horizontal, especially for 29/30. Air Dodging early will result in an SD.

    [​IMG]


    Here is the second variation.

    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let go
    10 Fastfall
    12 Double Jump forward
    13-30 Hold Forward
    31 Air Dodge
    32 [Fall]
    34-37 Fastfall
    38 [Grab Ledge]

    Using this method, it is possible to Air Dodge diagonally up and away from the ledge. Doing so, it is difficult to SD from Air Dodging too soon. Fastfalling is necessary to grab the ledge before becoming vulnerable, but also lenient (four frames doesn't sound like much, but consider that it's the same window for retreating DJCs), and will never result in an SD, as long as you let go of the analogue stick by frame 41. Unfortunately, Air Dodging 1 frame early or late will result in an Air Dodge rather than a Waveland, but because you are air Dodging upwards, it is difficult to SD this way. You can Air Dodge as early as frame 25 (6 frames early) and still grab the ledge (you will be vulnerable for 20 frames if you Air Dodge early). It is possible to let go of the ledge with down, holding it to fastfall on frame 10.

    Frame 38 fastfall – 1 frame vulnerable, grab on frame 39
    Frame 39 fastfall – 2 frames vulnerable, grab on frame 40
    Frame 40 fastfall – 3 frames vulnerable, grab on frame 41
    Frame 41 fastfall – 4 frames vulnerable, grab on frame 42
    No fastfall (auto-grab ledge) – 4 frames vulnerable, grab on frame 42

    Double Jumping earlier than frame 11 will make it impossible to Air Dodge upwards, and Double Jumping later than frame 11 will change the timing for everything else (resulting in the possibility of vulnerability).

    [​IMG]

    • I tested this with an angle 45⁰ from directly upwards. Using a more verticle angle makes it even harder to SD by Air Dodging too soon, and it might also slow down the waveland. I have not confirmed whether or not it slows down the waveland.

    • To do: Test this on stages other than FD.

    This isn't fast enough for a ledge stall, but can be used to get onstage with full invincibility.

    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let go
    10 Double Jump forward
    11 (hold forward)
    26 Aerial [Land]
    38 [Vulnerable]

    If done frame perfect, you can act on frame 30. It is possible to use Dsmash or any tilt with the hitbox out before intangibility is over (you have 8 frames).

    [​IMG]

    Frame 35 of the GIF is shown here:

    [​IMG]

    On Battlefield, the timing is different.
    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let go
    12 Double Jump (not forward)
    13 (hold forward)
    29 Aerial [Land]
    38 [Vulnerable]

    On Battlefield, you have at most 5 frames of actionable intangibility.

    A visual example of this can be found in the Sheik section of "Matchup-specific" or alternatively in the section "Edge-cancelled Parry Edgehog."

    Here is the frame window for doing Yoshi's exclusive ledge grab. The player is assumed to be running and the frame count starts once the player has run off the ledge.

    1 [Fall]
    8-18 Double Jump backwards
    13-23 [Grab Ledge]
    • Double Jumping backwards the frame after you start falling will result in a Double Jump Land. This can also be done out of a Waveland (forwards or backwards), if the Double Jump is done in the direction of the surface being left.
    Fastfalling decreases the time you need to wait to Double Jump. It also makes the frame window much smaller.

    The following timings all begin with 1: [Fall] and assume that the player was running before this.

    3 Fastfall
    4-7 Double Jump backwards
    9-12 [Grab Ledge]

    4 Fastfall
    5-8 Double Jump backwards
    10-13 [Grab Ledge]

    5 Fastfall
    6-9 Double Jump backwards
    11-14 [Grab Ledge]

    6 Fastfall
    7-10 Double Jump backwards
    12-15 [Grab Ledge]

    7 Fastfall
    8-10 Double Jump backwards
    13-15 [Grab Ledge]

    8 Fastfall
    9-11 Double Jump backwards
    14-16 [Grab Ledge]

    9 Fastfall
    10-12 Double Jump backwards
    15-17 [Grab Ledge]

    10 Fastfall
    11-13 Double Jump backwards
    16-18 [Grab Ledge]

    11 Fastfall
    12-14 Double Jump backwards
    17-19 [Grab Ledge]

    12 Fastfall
    13-14 Double Jump backwards
    18-19 [Grab Ledge]

    13 Fastfall
    14-15 Double Jump backwards
    19-20 [Grab Ledge]

    14 Fastfall
    15 Double Jump backwards
    20 [Grab Ledge]

    15 Fastfall
    16 Double Jump backwards
    21 [Grab Ledge]

    16 Fastfall
    17 Double Jump backwards
    22 [Grab Ledge]

    A combination of Yoshi’s reverse DJ ledgegrab and parrying. This gives Yoshi invincibility frames before leaving the stage when attempting to grab the ledge with his double jump. Can be done out of a run, wavedash, or waveland (credits to Iota[UPSB] for the wavedash idea).

    The basic inputs:
    (Running)
    Shield
    [Edge-cancel]
    Double Jump backwards

    Using light shielding will make it impossible to accidentally air dodge offstage.

    If you start the dash from a single roll’s length away from the ledge, the frame data is as follows:

    1 Dash
    14 [Run starts]
    21 Airborne (if you didn't shield)

    18-20 Shield
    22 Airborne

    17 Shield
    23 Airborne

    If you shield too early, it will slow you down more significantly and can potentially stop you from leaving the ground.


    [​IMG]

    Grounded moves will be tilted diagonally on Yoshi's story.

    Dtilt

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    Down-angled Fsmash

    [​IMG]


    Dsmash

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    Fair

    [​IMG]

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    Egg Toss

    [​IMG]

    This move works surprisingly well against some sweetspots. It does not work for everything, though.

    [​IMG]

    By holding towards or away (straight horizontal works best) from the ledge during the dash attack animation, you can cause Yoshi to slip off the edge on frame 42 (IASA) of his Dash Attack. There does not seem to be any difference between holding towards or away.

    You can then use your double jump to grab the ledge.

    [​IMG]


    Alternatively, you can throw an egg to grab the ledge after a dash attack

    [​IMG]

    This must be done during the IASA window of Yoshi’s Dash Attack (frames 42-43) or the frame immediately after. Do not hold towards or away from the ledge when doing this.

    Here is the fastest possible invincible Nair that won't result in an SD.

    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let Go
    10 Double Jump
    23 Nair
    24 [Hitbox]
    38 [Vulnerable]

    [​IMG]

    This can be combined with an Edge-Cancelled Egg for more coverage.
    [​IMG]

    Credits to Kofinator for the idea.

    No hit
    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let Go
    10 Double Jump forwards
    11-19 Optional Hold forwards
    20-22 Hold forwards
    23 Uair
    23-29 L-cancel
    27 [Hitbox]
    29 [Land]
    29-37 [Landing Lag]
    38 [Vulnerable]

    [​IMG]

    First frame of the hitbox:
    [​IMG]

    Last frame of landing lag:
    [​IMG]

    With hit
    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let Go
    10 Double Jump forwards
    11-19 Optional Hold forwards
    20-22 Hold forwards
    23 Uair
    27 [Hitbox]
    28-33 [Hitlag]
    35 [Land]
    35-43 [Landing Lag]
    38 [Vulnerable]

    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let Go
    10 Double Jump Forward
    23 Egg Lay
    38 [Vulnerable]
    39-43 [Hitbox]
    61 [Actionable]

    [​IMG]

    Yoshi's unique shield and its uses are explained here.

    Yoshi's shield is a little different.

    [​IMG]

    Here is a list of notable properties of Yoshi’s shield
    - Shield is active on frames 5-6 of the pre-shielding animation, but the shield does not visually appear (egg) until after this animation is over.
    - Yoshi seems to have his own shielding animation ( 0 | 342 | -1.00 instead of 0 | Guard | -1.00)
    - Yoshi suffers no shieldstun (he does have a Guarddamage animation during the hit frame and subsequent hitlag.
    - Yoshi cannot jump out of shield, but he can jump out of his preshielding animation (GuardOn) as long as it is not interrupted by a powershield (frames 3-4) or a regular shield (frames 5-6).
    - Yoshi cannot cancel the unshielding animation with a grounded attack after a powershield. He cannot jump out of the drop shield animation under any circumstances.
    - Yoshi cannot drop shield in 1 frame. He is required to spend one extra frame in shield, even if the unshielding animation is buffered by letting go of shield early (such as during hitlag).
    - While shielding, Yoshi cannot buffer spot dodge with the C-stick (he can still do this during his preshielding animation).
    - While shielding, Yoshi’s body is invisible and has no animation. He is not actually inside the egg, and his hurtbubbles appear to be aligned with his T-pose, which sticks out from his shield considerably.

    [​IMG]

    - Yoshi’s lower body (excluding his tail and legs) has no hurtbubble while he is in shield.
    - Yoshi is intangible while in shield. As a result, it is impossible to shield stab Yoshi.
    - It is still somehow possible to grab Yoshi despite his intangibility. Yoshi’s shield bubble seems to function differently in this way than other shields. My guess is that the shieldbubble interacts with grabs.
    - Yoshi’s full shield receives no pushback, and his light shield receives an extremely high amount of pushback.
    - It is possible for Yoshi to powershield things after he is already in his shield. This is somewhat inconsistent, but is very likely to happen if the shield is brought up by holding the shield button through the end of another animation (such as an attack or a roll). When doing this, for a short period of time after the shield comes up, any attack or series of attacks that hits Yoshi has a high chance of being powershielded.

    [​IMG]

    - If a series of attacks is powershielded in this way, and the attacks continue for a long enough time (such as rapid jabs), Yoshi’s shield will eventually turn white, and later will break.

    Parrying is a Yoshi-exclusive technique that is very similar in application to powershielding.

    An overview

    Every character has a "pre-shielding" animation before their shield appears. This is the animation that plays during your powershield window. For every character except Yoshi, this animation is 4 frames. Yoshi's is 6 frames, though his powershield window does not continue during the extra 2 frames.

    - Every character can reflect projectiles during the first 2 frames of this animation, and every character except Yoshi can powershield attacks during all four frames. Yoshi can only powershield attacks during frames 3 and 4.

    Unforunately for Yoshi, he has two main problems with powershielding:
    1) During the first two frames of the powershield window, Yoshi cannot powershield anything but projectiles.
    2) Yoshi's head gets in the way of his powershield!

    For some reason that I don't understand, the solution that was chosen for these problems was to make Yoshi invincible during his pre-shielding animation. This is not the same kind of protection that you get from rolling or being on the ledge. That is called intangibility, and is represented by blue bubbles in debug mode.

    The kind of protection Yoshi gets is "real" invincibility, represented by green bubbles in debug mode. This is the same kind of invincibility that you get from a Starman or from respawning after a KO.

    - The main difference between invincibility and intangibility is hitlag; when an attack hits an intangible target, no hitlag occurs for either player. However, when an attack hits an invincible target, the attacker gets hitlag and the target gets none.
    - The second difference between the two is that intangibility does not register hits on your character. What this means is that, should you dodge an attack with intangibility, you can still get hit by it if the hitbox is out when your intangibility ends. Invincibility does register the hit, so even if the hitbox is still out, you won't get hit by it when your invincibility ends.
    • Note that although invincibility does block grabs, it does not register them as having hit you. If your invincibility ends, you will still get grabbed if the grab hitbox is still out. Luckily, most grabs only last 2-3 frames, so parrying them is still possible.

    What is even stranger is that this 6-frame pre-shielding animation (called "guard on" in debug mode) allows Yoshi to jump. This is the only shield-related animation that allows Yoshi to do this. If Yoshi, on frames 3-4 of "guard on" powershields an attack like any other character would, he is not able to jump. This is because powershielding activates a different animation called "guard reflect," and that animation is not jump-cancellable for Yoshi. In addition to this, he is not able to cancel "guard off" (your un-shielding animation) with an attack like any other character can after a powershield. This leaves Yoshi's powershield with few uses.*

    So, what is parrying?

    Parrying is a technique used by Yoshi players that takes advantage of the invincibility during "guard on" as well as the ability to jump during this time. Instead of blocking attacks with his powershield, parrying involves blocking attacks with Yoshi's invincible body, most often his head, and then jumping or grabbing to avoid the lengthy unshielding animation.

    The frame data is as follows:

    1 Shield
    2-6 Jump

    You are invincible until you jump.
    • Note that on frames 5 and 6, Yoshi's invincible body is almost completely covered by his shield. If you hit his shield during these frames, your regular shield will come out early and you will not parry. If you hit his shield during frames 3 and 4, you will powershield the attack and will not be able to jump.
    Pictured:
    1 regular standing frame (Yellow)
    2-frame projectile powershield (jump-cancellable)
    2-frame regular powershield (jump-cancellable unless your powershield is hit)
    2-frame regular shield (jump-cancellable unless your shield is hit) before the shield actually appears
    1 regular shielding frame (Blue)

    [​IMG]

    Note that Yoshi is intangible while in his regular shield. This is why he can't be shield stabbed.

    What can I do after a parry?

    The quick answer is: anything another character can do after a powershield, except ground attacks because parrying does not allow you to cancel "guard off" with an attack. However, Yoshi still has access to grounded moves out of a parry due to his double jump. See the section called "Double Jump Land" for more details on this.

    Yoshi can do the following directly:
    - Grab
    - Roll and Sidestep
    - Jump
    - Shield Drop

    And as an extension of those options:
    - Wavedash
    - Double Jump Land (which gives you access to ground movement and ground attacks!)
    - Double Jump Cancel
    - Jump Cancel

    Why is parrying useful?

    Remember what happens when an attack hits an invincible target? Only the attacker gets hitlag! This gives Yoshi a very significant frame advantage. It is enough to punish every single-hit aerial in the game, guaranteed, before the attacker is finished performing their aerial.

    That sounds pretty useful to me!

    Parrying is essential to Yoshi because it compensates for his lackluster out of shield game, and in doing so, replaces a poor defensive tool with arguably the best defensive tool in the game.

    As an example: Peach's Float Cancelled Fair is at best +4 on shield (which is considered very good). On parry, it is at best -11. This is enough time for you to punish with DJC Nair guaranteed.

    How much time do I have to parry something?

    The short answer is: 2 frames. Why only 2?

    Technically, you have 6 frames of invincibility. However...
    - You need the last frame to jump, so you can't block with that frame.
    - Yoshi's powershield will take priority over his parry, so unless the hitbox you are parrying is only touching Yoshi's head during frames 3-6, you can't parry it.

    This leaves only 2 frames to parry reasonably, which is half the window of a powershield for every other character. But don't be discouraged! There are ways to make this easier by giving yourself visual cues and even by making the parry window larger with the positioning of your character, as discussed in the section "Crouch Parrying and Pivot Parrying." These are similar to techniques that some players use to powershield attacks consistently, and will greatly help your parrying game.

    How do the analogue shoulder buttons affect parrying?

    There are three ways to go into shield. Only one of them is useful for parrying.

    1. The first is just analogue (light shielding). You cannot jump-cancel the pre-shielding animation if you are light shielding.
    2. The second is analogue on frame 1 and digital (full press) on frame 2. If you are fully pressing L or R by frame 2 (no later!), you can jump on frames 3-6, but you will have no powershield and no invincibility.
    3. The third is by fully pressing L or R in one frame. This is the true parry as explained above. In order to ensure that you are pressing full shield on frame 1, it may be necessary for you to "trigger trick" your controller. This is done by fully holding down L or R as you plug in your controller or while you reset it (X+Y+Start for a few seconds).
    _____

    *Not to be confused with reflecting projectiles, which is very useful for Yoshi! Because powershielding projectiles and parrying happen in the same 2-frame window, there is very little that needs to be changed to powershield a projectile. The only thing you need to do is make sure that the projectile does not hit Yoshi's body, and instead hits his projectile powershield. The size of the powershield is shown in the GIF above, and is most easily activated by crouching under the projectile.

    After a parry:
    - Double Jump Land takes 7 frames before you can act
    - Parrying again is available the first frame after your DJL
    - SHFFL Nair requires 8 frames to hit
    - DJC Nair requires 10 frames to hit
    - DJL Jab requires 10 frames to hit
    - Jump-cancelled Usmash takes 12 frames to hit
    - DJC Uair takes 12 frames to hit
    - DJL Dsmash and Ftilt require 13 frames to hit
    - Wavedashing takes 15 frames before you can act
    - SHFFL Fair takes 24 frames to hit, but can be spaced to avoid attacks


    Fastest Parry > DJL > Parry

    Also called Parry-hopping or, as I like to call it, Multiparrying

    1 Shield
    2 Jump
    7 Double Jump
    8 [Land]
    9 Shield

    This means that after parrying, Yoshi can parry any attack that takes 8 frames or more to hit. Factoring in hitlag, this means almost everything can be parried. Yoshi has Knockback armour during frame 7 (but not 8). If the Double Jump Land is not done frame perfect, Yoshi will Double Jump on frame 7, have armour frames 7-9, land on frame 10, and can parry again on frame 11.

    A visual example can be found in the section called "Parrying vs Multishine."

    This is kind of silly, but I thought it would be fun to share.

    (Yoshi)
    (Fox)

    1 Shield
    Shine

    2 Jump
    [Hitlag]

    3 [Jumpsquat]
    [Hitlag]

    4 [Jumpsquat]
    [Hitlag]

    5 [Jumpsquat]
    [Wait]

    6 [Jumpsquat]
    [Wait]

    7 Double Jump
    Jump

    8 [Land]
    [Jumpsquat]

    9 Wait or Shield
    [Jumpsquat]

    10 Shield
    Shine

    After the first shine, each subsequent shine requires 2 extra frames before jumping.

    [​IMG]

    OR

    (Yoshi)
    (Fox)

    1 Shield
    Shine

    2 Jump
    [Hitlag]

    3 [Jumpsquat]
    [Hitlag]

    4 [Jumpsquat]
    [Hitlag]

    5 [Jumpsquat]
    [Wait]

    6 [Jumpsquat]
    [Wait]

    7 Nair
    Jump

    8 [Wait]
    [Jumpsquat]

    9 [Hitbox]
    [Fox gets hit while in Jumpsquat]

    [​IMG]

    After the second shine, you can punish with DJC Nair instead of SH Nair.

    (Yoshi)
    (Fox)

    1 Shield
    Shine

    2 Jump
    [Hitlag]

    3 [Jumpsquat]
    [Hitlag]

    4 [Jumpsquat]
    [Hitlag]

    5 [Jumpsquat]
    [Wait]

    6 [Jumpsquat]
    [Wait]

    7 Double Jump
    Jump

    8 [Land]
    [Jumpsquat]

    9 Wait or Shield
    [Jumpsquat]

    10 Shield
    Shine

    11 Jump
    [Hitlag]

    12 [Jumpsquat]
    [Hitlag]

    13 [Jumpsquat]
    [Hitlag]

    14 [Jumpsquat]
    [Wait]

    15 [Jumpsquat]
    [Wait]

    16 [Wait]
    [Waiting to be grounded]

    17 Double Jump
    [Waiting to be grounded]

    18 Nair
    Jump

    19 [Wait]
    [Jumpsquat]

    20 [Hitbox]
    [Fox gets hit while in Jumpsquat]

    [​IMG]

    #20eggseggs

    Crouching before you parry gives you a much better frame window for a successful parry. This is because you stand during your preshielding animation regardless of what you were doing before. This allows you to lower your hurtbox by crouching, let the attack enter the area where you will be during your parry, and then shield to immediately move to that area. I combined the two frames here to show the range of crouch parrying:

    [​IMG]

    Note that crouch parrying only makes a difference attacks with lingering hitboxes, such as an early Fox Nair. If the opponent does a late aerial, or in any other way the hitbox meets Yoshi's hurtbox on its first active frame, crouch parrying does not help make the parry easier.

    Similar to the idea of crouch parrying, pivot parrying increases the frame window of parrying by allowing you to let the hitbox get inside the area where you will parry it before you're there to get hit by it. You can pivot parry right out of your dashdance with no need to crouch.

    Here is an example of a frame perfect pivot parry (slowed down):
    (Dashing)
    1 Pivot
    2 Shield

    [​IMG]

    There is a noticeable effect even when you shield 5 frames after pivoting. The effect is greater the faster you do it.

    The following is a list of the lowest possible frame disadvantage that characters have when their aerials are parried. Only one and two-hit aerials are included for now, though I may add more in the future.

    For each single-hit move, the following format is used:

    Name of move
    Hitlag: x (multiple values for strong/weak hits)
    Landing Lag: y
    Advantage: - (lowest x value + y)

    This will give you the lowest possible disadvantage (from the perspective of the player being parried), or in other words, your lowest possible punish window (advantage).

    For each multi-hit move, the following format is used:

    Name of move
    Hitlag: x, x, x, x (one value for each hit)
    Landing Lag: y
    Frames between hits: z, z, z, z
    Advantage: - (x + z) for each hit except the last (landing), which is - (lowest x value + y)

    This will give you the lowest possible frame window for parrying or punishing multi-hit moves, as well as your lowest possible advantage for the aerial when it lands.

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -14

    Uair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -14

    Fair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -19

    Bair
    Hitlag: 4
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -13

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 4 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 8
    Advantage: -12

    Uair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Fair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -17

    Bair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Nair
    Hitlag: 7 (strong), 4 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -11

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -13

    Fair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -18

    Dair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -16

    Bair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -21

    Uair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -22

    Fair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -21

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 17
    Advantage: -23

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 4
    Advantage: -10

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 4
    Advantage: -10

    Fair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 4
    Advantage: -11

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 4
    Advantage: -9

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -15

    Fair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -17

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag:10
    Advantage: -15

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -18

    Fair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -22

    Dair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -22

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -13

    Nair
    Hitlag: 4, 4
    Landing Lag: 7
    Frames between hits: 7
    Advantage: -11, -11

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -13

    Fair
    Hitlag: 8 (strong), 4 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -13

    Dair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -19

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6, 4
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -13

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6, 6
    Landing Lag: 12
    Frames between hits: 19
    Advantage: -25, -18

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -18

    Fair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -19

    Dair
    Hitlag: 9
    Landing Lag: 17
    Advantage: -26

    Bair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -19

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Uair
    Hitlag: 4, 5
    Landing Lag: 9
    Frames between hits: 1
    Advantage: -5, -13

    Dair
    Hitlag: 6, 5
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -14

    Bair
    Hitlag: 7 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -15

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Uair
    Hitlag: 3, 6
    Landing Lag: 9
    Frames between hits: 2
    Advantage: -5, -12

    Bair
    Hitlag: 7 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -15

    Nair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 11
    Advantage: -16

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -15

    Dair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 14
    Advantage: -20

    Bair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -16

    Please note that Popo and Nana do not attack on the same frame, so parrying is probably impractical until you're fighting Popo alone.

    Nair
    Hitlag: 4
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -13

    Uair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 16
    Advantage: -21

    Fair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -15

    Dair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -17

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -16

    Nair
    Hitlag: 5 (strong), 4 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -11

    Uair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -14

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Dair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -14

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6(strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -18

    Fair
    Hitlag: 8 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -14

    Dair
    Hitlag: 4
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -16

    Bair
    Hitlag: 8 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 8
    Advantage: -13

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 8
    Advantage: -13

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -18

    Fair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 8
    Advantage: -14

    This move is -13 on parry if it is autocancelled on the earliest possible frame.

    Dair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -15

    Bair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 8
    Advantage: -13

    Nair
    Hitlag: 5 (strong), 4 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -11

    Uair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -22

    Fair
    Hitlag: 6, 4
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -11

    Dair
    Hitlag: 9
    Landing Lag: 25
    Advantage: -34

    Note: It is technically impossible for Link to land after the Dair hits because he bounces upwards. This does allow Yoshi to get hit by the Dair again, but I don’t know how early this can happen.

    Bair
    Hitlag: 4, 4
    Landing Lag: 7
    Frames between hits: 8
    Advantage: -12, -11

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 4 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -11

    Uair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -22

    Fair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -13

    Dair
    Hitlag: 7 (strong), 6 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 25
    Advantage: -31

    Note: It is technically impossible for Young Link to land after the Dair hits because he bounces upwards. This does allow Yoshi to get hit by the Dair again, but I don’t know how early this can happen.

    Bair
    Hitlag: 4, 4
    Landing Lag: 7
    Frames between hits: 8
    Advantage: -12, -11

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 6
    Advantage: -11

    Uair
    Hitlag: 3
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -12

    Bair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -14

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Uair
    Hitlag: 3
    Landing Lag: 13
    Advantage: -16

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 5 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -20

    Nair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 4 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -14

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -16

    Fair
    Hitlag: 6 (strong), 4 (weak)
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -14

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -16

    Uair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -15

    Fair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 13
    Advantage: -19

    Dair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 14
    Advantage: -20

    Bair
    Hitlag: 5
    Landing Lag: 14
    Advantage: -19

    Nair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 15
    Advantage: -21

    Uair
    Hitlag: 4, 5
    Landing Lag: 18
    Frames between hits: 4
    Advantage: -8, -22

    Fair
    Hitlag: 7
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -19

    Dair
    Hitlag: 6
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -16

    Nair
    Hitlag: 3, 5
    Landing Lag: 7
    Frames between hits: 7
    Advantage: -10, -10

    Uair
    Hitlag: 6 (tipper), 5 (not tipper)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Fair
    Hitlag: 6 (tipper), 5 (not tipper)
    Landing Lag: 7
    Advantage: -12

    Dair
    Hitlag: 6 (tipper), 5 (not tipper)
    Landing Lag: 16
    Advantage: -21

    Bair
    Hitlag: 6 (tipper), 5 (not tipper)
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -17

    Nair
    Hitlag: 3, 4
    Landing Lag: 10
    Frames between hits: 8
    Advantage: -11, -13

    Uair
    Hitlag: 4 (tipper), 5 (not tipper)
    Landing Lag: 9
    Advantage: -13

    Fair
    Hitlag: 3 (tipper), 4 (not tipper)
    Landing Lag: 10
    Advantage: -13

    Dair
    Hitlag: 4 (tipper), 5 (not tipper)
    Landing Lag: 16
    Advantage: -20

    Bair
    Hitlag: 4 (tipper), 5 (not tipper)
    Landing Lag: 12
    Advantage: -16

    For anything that is relevant against one or few characters only.

    Latest Crouch Cancel (strong hit): 60
    Latest Crouch Cancel (weak hit): 105
    Latest ASDI Down (strong hit): 25
    Latest ASDI Down (weak hit): 60

    (Credit goes to tauKhan for the idea)

    At low %, crouch cancelling will make Yoshi's Nair unsafe. However, if the Peach player is crouching before the hit, a soft Nair will have such a small amount of knockback that Peach doesn't leave the ground. This will prevent Peach from using ASDI down to cancel her hitstun upon landing (which would normally happen if Peach left the ground from the attack). With this in mind, it is possible to hit a crouching Peach player with Nair and not get punished for it.

    Best possible DJC late Nair
    1 Hit
    2-6 Hitlag
    7 Land

    It is really difficult to space a soft Nair and land the frame after hitlag ends (much harder than doing so with a strong Nair). Except a few extra frames before you land, unless you can do it frame perfect.


    I used this timing to determine frame advantage.

    Peach’s hitstun
    0-3%: 4 frames
    4-7%: 5 frames
    8-12%: 6 frames
    13-16%: 7 frames
    17-20%: 8 frames
    21-23%: 9 frames
    24+%: N/A (peach is lifted off the ground at this % and higher, so ASDI down will allow her to land and cancel hitstun)


    Using the best possible late Nair, the frame advantage is as follows (hitstun - landing lag)
    0-3%: -3
    4-7%: -2
    8-12%: -1
    13-16%: 0
    17-20%: +1
    21-23%: +2

    Peach's Dsmash is 1 frame faster than Yoshi's, and they will clank if they hit on the same frame. This allows you to follow up with Dsmash (or Ftilt, since it hits as quickly as Yoshi's Dsmash) if you have enough of a frame advantage.

    If the Peach player is not expecting a soft Nair, they will probably be expecting to ASDI down and land cancel hitstun. Because the soft Nair doesn't lift them off the ground, this will mess with their timing and potentially allow you to get a follow-up even at lower %s where you do not have a frame advantage.

    All GIFs in this section except the last one show Yoshi performing a Double Jump Land as soon as possible after the item throw, to show the endlag of the throw.

    Yoshi can cancel his double jump by throwing an item. The frame data works exactly the same as with regular DJCs, including the fastfall and turaround windows.

    [​IMG]

    Yoshi can also start the DJC one frame earlier than normal, since landing during the throw does not cancel it. Below is the fastest possible DJC Item Throw.

    [​IMG]

    You can combine this with Z-catching to catch a turnip and throw it in the same DJC (or alternatively, catch it, then double jump and throw it). If you armor through the turnip, it can still be caught after hitlag is over.

    [​IMG]

    There is the potential for an option select here between a DJC aerial and a DJC item toss. By using Z for aerials, then waiting at least one frame and pressing A, you can perform a DJC which will catch any item that is in range if there is one, and instead do a regular DJC if there is not. The A input does nothing if no item is caught, the fastfall input is unaffected either way, and the L cancel does not interfere with the item toss if it happens.

    When Peach is below 100% and on the ledge, it is possible to option select against most of her ledge options.

    If you position yourself, here, Peach will not be able to hit you with her parasol.

    [​IMG]

    While you are here, you can wait safely for her to start a getup option, and between frames 25-27 of her ledge option, start a Down Smash to cover her regular getup, her roll and her ledge attack without having to change your timing.

    All three of the following examples show Yoshi starting his Down Smash on the 26th frame of Peach's getup option. Because Peach's ledge attack has set knockback, this will work at any % for Yoshi.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    I will have an image of this here eventually.

    Based on the image from Kadano's Perfect Marth Class, Marth can crouch under all but the 3 lowest possible laser heights. After some preliminary testing, I can say that Yoshi can crouch under at least one of those 3. The other two heights are low enough to powershield while standing (they're about the height of Yoshi's legs).

    I intend to test further and make an image showing all the possible laser heights compared with Yoshi's height while standing and crouching, just like Kadano has done with Marth.

    Falco Laser Hitstun

    Fresh Laser data:

    Without crouch cancel
    3 frames hitlag
    9 frames hitstun
    12 frames total stun

    With crouch cancel
    1 frame hitlag
    6 frames hitstun
    7 frames total stun

    Falco's Laser has set knockback, so you can crouch cancel it at any %.

    Falco has a 4-frame landing and a 5-frame jumpsquat. Nair hits on frame 4, Dair hits on frame 5, and grab hits on frame 7. It seems impossible for Falco to space close enough to Yoshi to follow up after the laser and still land before the laser hits Yoshi, so the following frame comparison is realistic:

    1 [Yoshi gets hit]
    1 [Falco lands]
    2-7 [Yoshi is in hitstun/hitlag]
    2-4 [Falco is in landing lag]

    This leaves Falco 3 frames to follow up before Yoshi can parry. Because jumping takes 5 frames and grabbing takes 7, the only thing that is fast enough to follow up is his Shine. Conveniently, in order to be close enough to shine, Falco must shoot the laser well within the range of several of Yoshi's attacks, such as Dsmash or any Tilt. Other attacks may also work.

    Crouch Cancel > Parry should beat any reasonable laser approach without ever needing to powershield or parry the laser (powershielding and parrying do give you more options, so still learn them!).

    * Also note that only the two lowest possible laser heights will hit you while you are crouching. Everything else will go right over you, allowing you to easily reflect them.

    See the Fox section.

    Uthrow Frame Data (on Yoshi)
    1 Throw
    9 Invincibility ends
    43 Fox can act again

    At 0% (before the throw), Yoshi can act on frame 47. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with Uair is frame 54.
    At 30%, Yoshi can act on frame 50. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with Uair is frame 53.
    At 39%, Yoshi can act on frame 51. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with Uair is frame 54.
    At 40%, Yoshi can act on frame 52. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with Uair is frame 54.
    At 50%, Yoshi can act on frame 53. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with Uair is frame 55.
    At 56%, Yoshi can act on frame 54. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with uair is frame 55.
    At 60%, Yoshi can act on frame 54. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with uair is frame 55.
    At 70%, Yoshi can act on frame 55. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with Uair is frame 56.
    At 80%, Yoshi can act on frame 57. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi is frame 57.
    At 88%, Yoshi can act on frame 58. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi is frame 57.
    At 90%, Yoshi can act on frame 58. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with Uair is frame 57.
    At 100%, Yoshi can act on frame 59. The earliest Fox can hit Yoshi with Uair is frame 58.

    Yoshi can armor through an attack if it hits on the same frame that he starts his double jump. Frame perfect Nair is guaranteed to beat frame-perfect Uair until 40% and trade until 56%. Frame perfect Double Jump (can be buffered up to 20 frames early) will armour through frame-perfect Uair until 88%.

    It is highly recommended that you learn to SDI Fox's Uair, as it will help you at higher % when Nair no longer beats Uair.

    If Fox or Falco are recovering onstage, and you want to edgehog them without letting them go above you, you can throw an egg to cover the high recovery. A reference point of one roll's length from the ledge is used here:

    1 Dash
    14 Dash becomes Run
    17 Jumpsquat
    18 Egg Toss
    19 No longer holding B

    Neither Fox nor Falco can get the ledge or land onstage without going far above the egg.

    [​IMG]

    If you start the Egg Toss one frame earlier, Fox and Falco can both get under the Egg while still landing onstage. Fox is starting his Side B from the exact same height in both of these examples.

    [​IMG]

    Holding forward does not seem to change the height that you can cover with this timing, but it does place the Egg far enough out that you can prevent Fox and Falco from SDIing onstage (though this isn't much of a concern anyway, unless they are below tumble %).

    This is the vertical coverage that the frame 17 timing gives.

    [​IMG]

    By delaying the Jumpsquat and Egg Toss an additional frame, the maximum time you can hold B increases from 1 to 4 frames. With this timing, you must hold forward when throwing the egg.

    If you can, Forward Tilt it. The move will win during any of the frames in between hits of Fox’s Down Air, and will trade favourably during the frames where Down Air has a hitbox out. This is only a good idea above 14%, at which Fox will get knocked over by an upward-angled forward tilt.

    When you trade, Fox will have 3 frames more hitlag than Yoshi, due to the difference in the moves’ damage (3% for Down Air, 12% for Forward Tilt). Additionally, Yoshi will not have much hitstun and will be actionable 9 frames sooner than if the Ftilt had connected and finished its whole animation.

    [​IMG]

    If Fox DIs towards Yoshi (from jumping forward, for example), following up after the trade is very lenient. It is possible to even get a standing grab if Fox was spaced closely enough before the trade. If Fox DIs out, it is possible to techchase off the trade, or get a Dash Attack at the right %.

    [​IMG]


    If you can’t trade (for example, if Fox has a frame advantage), take the hit and SDI. As long as you can get out of the range of Fox’s Shine, you are safe.

    If Fox is not moving towards you with the Down Air, SDI away from him and you will be guaranteed to be out of range of Shine. After one SDI input and ASDI for just one hit of Fox’s Down Air, you will be this far from Fox.

    [​IMG]

    Fox is at best +5 on hit after Down Air, which is only enough to combo into Shine or Up Tilt. Up Tilt hits behind Fox, and requires Fox to be completely frame perfect if you are behind him. Pivot Shine and Dash Jump Shine are options that you will probably not have to worry about. Anything else will be slow enough that you can parry it after any Down Air. Some options will also lose to ASDI down (such as Forward Tilt).

    [​IMG]

    Due to the way Yoshi’s head moves through the z-axis, Yoshi can avoid Fox’s Grab without having to move at all. Yoshi is technically actionable during these frames, so a parry would also be possible. If you intend to ASDI down after Fox’s Dair, but still want to avoid the grab, use C-stick for the ASDI down.

    [​IMG]

    If Fox is moving towards you with the Down Air, he will slide forward while landing and reach you even after SDI. If he does this, SDI behind him instead. This example uses only one input of SDI and the ASDI for 3 hits of Fox Dair.

    [​IMG]

    Parrying the first hit of Down Air can also help you get out of a bad situation. Wavedashing back out of the parry will allow you to avoid the later hits, and if the Fox is expecting to hit you with those hits, his fastfall timing will be late and you might get a significant frame advantage. It is possible for Fox to overshoot the Dair to catch your wavedash back, so you can mix up the wavedash back with a wavedash forward to go under him and option select ASDI behind which will help you avoid a follow-up even if you do get hit. Dashing back is another mixup that can work with parry > wavedash back, since the dash back lets you get away from the slightly delayed attacks.

    [​IMG]

    Latest Crouch Cancel (strong hit): 67
    Latest Crouch Cancel (weak hit): 117
    Latest ASDI Down (strong hit): 30
    Latest ASDI Down (weak hit): 66

    Latest Crouch Cancel (strong hit): 60
    Latest Crouch Cancel (weak hit): 105
    Latest ASDI Down (strong hit): 25
    Latest ASDI Down (weak hit): 60

    Credits to Kadano for all of the Shino Stall data.

    Frame perfect Shino stall takes 49 frames.
    1 Grab Ledge
    9 Let Go
    10-13 Fastfall
    14 Vanish
    49 [Hitbox for 7 frames]
    50 [Grab Ledge]

    [​IMG]

    This is the minimum distance that Yoshi can stand without getting hit by Fair.

    [​IMG]

    Here is an example of an edgehog with no reaction time. Yoshi dashes the frame after Sheik commits to Vanish.

    [​IMG]

    At this distance, it took 29 frames to grab the ledge. Yoshi waited until Sheik committed to Vanish, then did a regular (no fastfall) RDJ ledge grab. The fastest possible RDJ ledge grab would have saved 4 frames. Sheik grabs the ledge 36 frames after starting Vanish, so this means that there is an 11 frame window to react to a perfect Shino Stall. If you dash before Sheik commits to Vanish, you may still edgehog, but you risk getting hit by an aerial.

    If Sheik reacts to the ledgehog and lands onstage instead, you have plenty of options for punishing her landing, many of which will send her back off the same ledge.

    While Sheik is in shield, her stance is angled slightly to her right in the z-axis. In addition, Yoshi's dashgrab is also angled slightly to his right in the z-axis. The combination of these two makes it easy for this to happen:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    This also happens while Sheik is in her idle animation:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    This makes it very difficult (but not impossible) to dashgrab Sheik while she is standing or in shield.
    This can happen with some other characters such as Captain Falcon and Ganondorf, but to a lesser degree.

    I have more examples of this that you can see here.

    See the Peach section.

    See the Peach section.

    Yoshi can do his own version of the Marth Killer by facing away from the ledge, fully shielding and holding towards the ledge.

    [​IMG]

    Light shielding also works to a certain extent (about halfway; too light of a shield will not work), and the powershield glitch does not interfere with the edgehog. Fastfalling does not seem to be necessary.

    This is a list of the various frame advantages and disadvantages that Yoshi gets after hitting a shield.

    PLEASE NOTE - All values for shieldstun and hitlag are written under the assumption that the hit frame is counted as shieldstun (as it is part of the Guarddamage animation that accompanies shieldstun). Because of this, the values for "shieldstun after hitlag is over" are all 1 frame less than written. This will affect the frame advantage if you do not remember this. All of the frame advantages listed here account for the 1 frame difference in my definitions of hitlag and shieldstun.

    For example:

    Jab 1

    Hitlag: 3
    Shieldstun: 4
    Advantage: -11

    Under the traditional definitions of hitlag and shieldstun, where hitlag begins on the hit frame and shieldstun follows, the values would be 4 for hitlag, 3 for shieldstun, and an advantage of -11 for Yoshi's jab. Because I consider the hit frame to be part of shieldstun (it is labelled as such in debug mode), and hitlag to be simply a repetition of the hit frame after it has been played, my values for hitlag are all 1 less than the traditional definition and my values for shieldstun are 1 more. But my frame advantage listed is the same, because I have accounted for this 1 frame difference.

    Jab 1

    Hitlag: 3
    Shieldstun: 4
    Advantage: -11

    -
    Jab 2

    Hitlag: 3
    Shieldstun: 5
    Advantage: -12

    -
    Jab 1 + 2

    Hitlag: 3, 3
    Shieldstun: 4, 5
    Time in between shieldstun of first jab and hit of second jab: 4 frames
    Advantage: -12

    -
    Ftilt (normal, up, down)

    Hitlag: 6
    Shieldstun: 8
    Advantage: -16

    Hitlag: 6
    Shieldstun: 8
    Advantage: -16

    Hitlag: 5
    Shieldstun: 7
    Advantage: -17

    -
    Utilt

    Hitlag: 5
    Shieldstun: 7
    Advantage: -15

    -
    Dtilt

    Hitlag: 5
    Shieldstun: 7
    Advantage: -9

    -
    Fsmash

    Hitlag: 7
    Shieldstun: 10
    Advantage: -20

    -
    Usmash

    Hitlag: 6
    Shieldstun: 9
    Advantage: -20

    -
    Dsmash (front, back)

    Hitlag: 6
    Shieldstun: 9
    Advantage: -35

    Hitlag: 6
    Shieldstun: 8
    Advantage: -21

    -
    Dash attack

    Hitlag: 5
    Shieldstun: 7
    Advantage: -27

    -
    Edge-cancelled Egg (frame perfect)

    Hitlag: 6
    Shieldstun: 8
    Advantage: +5 minimum

    DJC Nair
    1 Jump
    7 Double Jump
    8 Nair
    10 [Hitbox] [Hit]
    11 Fastfall [Land]

    Hitlag: 6
    Shieldstun: 9
    Not counting hitlag, you can act on frame 18. Counting hitlag, you can act on frame 24.
    Advantage: +1

    The opponent has 9 frames to interrupt your shield pressure (assuming that they can trade or beat your Nair - if not, 8 frames).

    [​IMG]

    -
    SHFFL Fair
    1 Jump
    15 Fair
    27 Fastfall
    33 [Hitbox]
    34 [Land]

    Hitlag: 7
    Shieldstun: 10
    Not counting hitlag, you can act on frame 43. Counting hitlag, you can act on frame 50.
    Advantage: -1

    -
    SH AC Bair:

    1 Jump
    14 Bair
    23 [Hitbox 1]
    29 [Hitbox 2]
    36 [Hitbox 3]
    41 [Hitbox 4]
    46 [Land]

    Hitlag: 4, 4, 3, 3
    Shieldstun: 6, 5, 5, 4
    Not counting hitlag, you can act on frame 50. Counting hitlag, you can act on frame 64.
    Advantage: -5

    L-cancelling and landing on frame 46 gives you one extra frame.

    -
    DJC Uair
    1 Jump
    7 Double Jump
    8 Uair
    12 [Hitbox]
    13 [Land]

    On-hit, it takes an extra frame to reach the ground. Effectively, you land on frame 14.

    Hitlag: 6
    Shieldstun: 8
    Not counting hitlag, you can act on frame 23. Counting hitlag, you can act on frame 29.
    Advantage: -3

    SHFFL Uair is -2.


    1 Jump
    27 Fastfall
    30 Uair
    34 [Hitbox]
    35 [Land]

    -
    FJ Dair onto platform

    (I chose this because it gets as many Dair hits as possible)
    1 Jump
    6 Dair
    23 [Hitbox 1]
    25 [Hitbox 2]
    27 [Hitbox 3]
    29 [Hitbox 4]
    31 [Hitbox 5]
    33 [Hitbox 6]
    35 [Hitbox 7]
    37 [Hitbox 8]
    39 [Hitbox 9]
    41 [Hitbox 10]
    43 [Hitbox 11]
    44 [Land]

    Hitlag: 3 frames for each hit
    Shieldstun: 2 frames for each hit (4 frames interrupted), 4 frames for the last hit
    Not counting hitlag, you can act on frame 57. Counting hitlag, you can act on frame 90.
    Advantage: -10

    Anything that does not belong in the other sections and does not warrant a new section will go here.

    This must be frame-perfect and hit an opponent to platform cancel.

    1 Start dropping through platform
    5 Uair

    Or

    1 Shield Drop
    2 Uair

    You will land the frame after hitlag ends, so you must input your L-Cancel during hitlag.

    [​IMG]

    Short Hop Autocancelled Nair/Fair

    1 Jump
    6-11 Nair/Fair
    46 [Land]

    You can act on frame 50.

    Short Hop Autocancelled Bair/Uair

    1 Jump
    6-14 Bair/Uair
    46 [Land]

    You can act on frame 50.

    1 Back
    2-20 Egg Lay

    Combining this with DJC gives you many movement options while using Egg Lay. Though you can't fastfall during the Egg Lay animation, you can do things such as:

    DJC in place > Reverse Egg Lay
    - to stop your momentum and turn around
    Reverse DJC > Egg Lay
    - to reverse your momentum, turn around and Egg Lay
    Reverse DJC > Reverse Egg Lay
    - to reverse your momentum without turning around (essentially making you do a retreating Egg Lay)

    Dash length: 26 frames
    Run begins: frame 14

    [​IMG]

    Yoshi can extend his dashdance far beyond the normal 13 frames with the use of his Double Jump Land. This GIF shows Yoshi running 17 frames into his run, then performing a DJL and turning around to dash the other way.

    1 Dash
    14 [Run]
    31 Jump
    36 Double Jump
    38 Turn
    39 [Dash]

    [​IMG]

    (An unofficial name for Cactuar’s crouch > walk > turnaround > dash)

    This is a technique that allows every character to extend their dashdance.

    For Yoshi:
    Dash (13 frames) - forward
    Run (arbitrary amount) - hold forward
    Runbrake (1 frame) - down
    Crouch (8 frames) - hold down then forward
    Walk (frame) - hold forward
    Turn (1 frame) - backward
    Dash (13 frames) hold backward (now forward because you turned)

    [​IMG]

    Yoshi can also use DJL for an extended dashdance that takes less time to turn around.

    Moonwalk
    1 Dash
    2 Hold down and back
    3-26 Hold back

    [​IMG]

    It is possible to moonwalk by holding straight back as early as frame 2 or 3. This can only be done out of a single dash - not out of a dashdance.

    To chain moonwalks together, begin the next dash on frame 21-27.

    Yoshi’s first moonwalk ends just about where it starts (no net movement backwards). To move backwards with a single moonwalk, you need to start it with momentum from a previous animation. This can be:

    Walking
    Dashing
    Wavedashing
    Wavelanding

    If facing the direction you intend to move during the moonwalk, you must modify the moonwalk inputs as follows:

    1 Turn
    2 Dash
    3 Hold down and back
    5-26 Hold back

    Shown: Moonwalking out of a wavedash.
    [​IMG]

    Subsequent moonwalks will not require holding down and back for an extra frame.


    Stickywalk
    1 Dash
    2 Hold down and back
    3-19 Hold back
    20 Hold forward

    [​IMG]


    Charlie (also known as a boost run)
    1 Dash
    2 Hold down and back
    3 Hold back
    20 Hold forward
    21 Hold backward

    [​IMG]

    The simple SH Bair Waveland requires two frame perfect inputs.

    1 Jump
    7 Bair
    16-18 [First hit]
    22-24 [Second hit]
    29-31 [Third hit]
    34-36 [Fourth hit]
    46 Air Dodge [Land]
    46-55 Landing Lag

    [​IMG]

    Using the IASA frames of Bair, you can double jump to make the waveland easier.

    [​IMG]

    This also gives you the option of turning around before the waveland.

    [​IMG]

    This is the fastest possible timing.

    1 Short hop
    6 Bair
    43 DJ
    44 Waveland

    All possible timings are listed here.

    Timing the DJ

    1 Short hop
    6 Bair
    43-44 DJ

    7 Bair
    44-46 DJ

    8 Bair
    45-46 DJ

    9 Bair
    46 DJ


    Timing the Waveland

    Green entries indicate that you can turn around before the waveland if you stay in double jump for 5 frames or more.

    1 Short hop
    6 Bair
    43 DJ
    44-49 Waveland

    6 Bair
    44 DJ
    45-46 Waveland

    7 Bair
    44 DJ
    Double Jump never reaches the ground with this timing. Waveland timing is very lenient.

    7 Bair
    45 DJ
    46-52 Waveland

    7 Bair
    46 DJ
    47-48 Waveland

    8 Bair
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    46-51 Waveland

    8 Bair
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    47-48

    9 Bair
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    47 Waveland

    Using pummeling and Dtilt, Yoshi can perform a 2v1 infinite with any partner other than Yoshi.

    You can see an example here.

    The perfect rhythm for the Dtilt wobble is to alternate Dtilt and Pummel, each being done every 30 frames or slightly slower.

    Yoshi’s Item Throw lasts 23 frames. Yoshi is shown performing a Double Jump land after the throw to show how much endlag it has.

    [​IMG]

    The item hitbox is active on the following frames, according to the direction of the throw:
    Forward: frame 8
    Backward: frame 7
    Up: frame 7
    Down: frame 7

    Yoshi can use the ECB movement of his Uair to land on the side platforms of Yoshi's Story, where his Short Hop would not normally let him reach the platforms.

    1 Jump
    6 [Airborne]
    20 Uair
    24 [Hitbox]
    25 [Land]

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    The Uair can be delayed by up to 2 frames. Everything after will be delayed by the same number of frames. The tech is also possible when jumping from certain heights of the FoD side platforms to the top platform, and when jumping from the side platforms on Dream Land to the top platform.

    This is an option select that protects Yoshi during the startup of his dashgrab. It can only be done while in the run animation, and the inputs are as follows:

    (Running)
    Shield
    Within 3 frames of shielding, grab
    Roll the analog stick from forward to down and slightly back
    Hold C-stick down

    The shield input must be done from a run, or else it can't be cancelled into a dash grab. The grab must be done within 3 frames of shielding, or else a standing grab will come out instead of dash grab. The timing for cancelling shield into dash grab is the same as the timing of cancelling dash attack into dash grab. C-stick down can be held during all of this, but the only condition is that it is held down after the grab is started. Similarly, the analog stick must be held down and back by about the 3rd frame of the dash grab, but this varies depending on which attacks your opponent is using. Higher damage attacks will give you more leniency.

    The result from these inputs is a series of option selects that protects Yoshi during the startup of his grab in case he gets hit, and completes a grab and buffered down throw if he does not get hit.

    First, the 1-3 frames of shield will protect Yoshi with a parry if he is hit on these frames. As long as the dashgrab is spaced well, it will still connect after the parry.

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    If Yoshi is hit after the parry window, he will ASDI down against any move that allows him to do so. After the ASDI down and landing, Yoshi will go into crouch and you can react from there with a punish.

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    If the move will knock Yoshi over, he will attempt to Amsah tech, and if the move has the right angle and knockback, Yoshi will techroll away upon being hit.

    [​IMG]

    If Yoshi has time to get his grab out before the opponent's attack comes out, he will complete the grab normally and down throw without requiring a reaction.

    [​IMG]

    And of course, if the opponent tries to hit before the parry is started, they will whiff and Yoshi's dash grab will continue as a whiff punish.

    [​IMG]

    I will be posting more information here as I test new things!

    I will also be moving things around when the page gets cluttered. If something is not where it used to be, it is more likely moved than removed.
     
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    Awesome... some questions/clarifications:

    For haxdashing, you talk about directing the air dodge up and away from the ledge. You mean you can land on the stage like that, and waveland off from it? Does it work because Yoshi's DJ changes his landing properties, and you're starting the move to land instantly? Is the gif shown Yoshi doing it with up and away? I only knew about directing the air dodge toward the ledge, very interesting.

    You said Yoshi's invincible body is almost entirely covered by his shield on frames 5 and 6. . . does this mean an opponent can hit the shield instead of the parry happening regularly? Does this cause Yoshi to get stuck in shield?

    In a few places you stated some frames, and claimed that Yoshi can act the very next frame after double jump landing. Are you sure he doesn't have the standard 4 frames of landing lag usually present when autocancel something?
     
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    1. Air Dodge up and away is shown in the second Haxdash GIF. As you said, Yoshi's Double Jump has weird stage collision properties, so even though you're moving upwards and away, you land the frame that you air dodge and then slide offstage. It's tricky to time, but if you mess it up, it is VERY difficult to SD.

    Yoshi Bomb ledge stall is still easier, in my opinion. The benefit to Haxdashing is that it makes your movement ambiguous; it's difficult to tell when you intend to get back onstage.

    2. During these frames it is almost certain that the attack will hit your shield. I am not sure if you get stuck when this happens, but I will check!

    3. There is no landing animation for a Double Jump Land. You're in the air one frame, and the next you're on the ground. There seems to be one frame where you're in your double jump animation, but you're on the ground (this is labelled as the landing frame in my examples). Technically, every character can do this with their double jump at some point (and no one has a landing animation), but for most characters you have to land very late in the double jump. It's more useful for Yoshi though, because he can do it with the beginning of his jump.

    Here's an example of Link doing it with no landing animation (allowing this to combo):

    [​IMG]
     
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    Interesting; I always thought that double jump lands caused you to experience the 4 frames of landing lag. That means that they're even better to use in frame-tight situations where wavelanding onto platforms may cost you the follow-up!
     
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    I usually only do the haxdash when somebody is playing really safe when I'm at the ledge and they're center stage. If I think they'll try to punish a waveland onto the stage I go low enough they can register me dropping off then cling the stage making haxdashing easier(but no invincibility frames). I'm not sure I'll want to use the up angled air-dodge, but I'm definitely going to tinker with it.

    The main thing I'm asking is, if they hit my shield on frame 5/6, is it still a 'parry'? I'd imagine it could get grabbed if the shield is up, but can I still jump out if it gets hit? Do I et any shieldstun/lag?

    So to clarify, when you DJ land onto something, even if you do it by rising through a platform and hitting an aerial while you're midway through, never has any landing lag?

    Thanks for checking all this out!
     
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    If you land by doing aerial, you'll auto-cancel the aerial and get regular landing animation, it's quite easy to spot the landing animation if you are looking for it.
     
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    ^ What tauKhan said. Technically, using an aerial to land isn't a DJL, even though they accomplish the same goal. The DJL has no landing animation, but the platform cancel does.

    I got to test the frame 5/6 shield:

    You're invincible during these frames, so you can't be grabbed. If your shield gets hit during these frames it ends your "going into your shield" animation and you just get a regular shield. Unfortunately you do get stuck this way :( with regular hitlag/no shieldstun because Yoshi's shield is silly!

    What's interesting is that, unlike regular attacks, the grab doesn't actually register as having hit you when you parry it. So if you block a grab with frame 6 of your shield, and the grab is still active on the next frame, you'll get grabbed. It seems like the grab doesn't interact with the powershield at all, but does interact with the regular shield (it has to because Yoshi is intangible while in his regular shield).
     
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    I'm confused now. Do you mean that grabs do interact with frames 5-6 of yoshi's shield or not? If they do, the grab would propably miss, where as if they don't, the grab would hit. When you are invincible at the beginning of your stock, grabs don't interact at all, and isn't parry similar state? So if you jump cancel yoshi's shield while inside grab box, you'll get grabbed, as the invincibility ends.
     
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    What I mean to say is that during frames 5-6, the grab will miss Yoshi. After this, the grab will hit.
    1) Yoshi is not getting grabbed during these frames, which means the game must be ignoring the fact that the grab is connecting with Yoshi's shield.
    2) Yoshi is intangible after these frames (which is why he can't be shield stabbed), so if he's getting grabbed, then the grab must be interacting with his shield.

    All I'm saying is that there's something interesting going on with the way grabs work here. The grab seems to ignore his shield on frames 5-6, but not afterwards. What's weird is that on frames 5/6, Yoshi's shield hitbox is the same colour as his powershield, but hitting it causes a regular shield.

    Yes, this is what happens.
     
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    Hmm are you sure that yoshi is intangible in his shield though? I just thought he is entirely covered by block box of his shield, so he can't get stabbed. Also any other characters shield don't interact with grabs, so I don't think yoshi's shield does either.
     
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    Yoshi is actually not covered by his shield (he's not really in it at all). When you're shielding, Yoshi actually stands up regularly, but he's invisible and intangible, so the only thing you can see/hit is his shield.

    I'm not currently at a computer that can run Dolphin, so I'll have to point to a video as an example. You can see Yoshi's intangibility at the beginning of this video at 0:06 and 0:11. This is why he can't be shield stabbed.

    EDIT: Added this info to the OP.
     
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    PerhapsMan, do you think you can post frame data/GIFs and see if Yoshi can grab the ledge before Sheik while staying out of her F-air range when she's doing perfect shino stalls?
     
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    ^ That's a very interesting idea with respect to the Fair range. I ledgehog Sheik players out of their Shino stall all the time, as I'm sure most Yoshi players do, but none of them have ever tried to Fair me. I'll add that to my list of things to do!
     
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    Also if it's not too much to ask, do you think you can post the percents Samus, Peach, and Sheik are unable to CC strong and weak N-air?
     
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    Yep. I'll add that to the list!

    Also for anyone who's wondering, I will also be doing the tumble % for dash attack.
     
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    Perhapsman would it be possible to Ad the party/power shielding for falcons dair?
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. Do you want the frame window for parrying Falcon's Dair? Because it would change depending on the spacing, as well as how early/late Falcon starts the Dair and based on when he decides to fastfall. The best way to do it would probably be to learn the hitbox for Falcon's Dair and then get someone to SHFFL it so you can practice parrying it.
     
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    I think that the parrying works by allowing moves to hit Yoshi while he is invincible, but grabs will not hit an invincible opponent. You can't be hit by a move you were already hit by. So if you parry a hit, then jump out, you'll be fine, even if the (same)hitbox is still out. If you parry a grab and then jump out/your parry ends, the grab will 'miss' on the early frames, and then 'hit' your shield on the late frames, once it comes into contact with it for the first time.

    That is what makes sense to be, based on what I already know about parrying.

    Also, when I'm talking about double jump landing, I don't mean the platform cancel wheere your hitbox has already come out. I mean when you are rising in your double jump, and then input any aerial or R/L buttons. Yoshi will not start any input you made, and will instantly land on the platform. There is a recognizable brief animation of him hitting the ground (landing frame). I assumed this was his natural landing lag of 4 frames(which is present on AC moves, FC moves, empty lands, etc.) I was asking if you can act the frame after you land, or is it a 4 frame animation?
     
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    I was under the impression that this was also called a platform cancel, and that the term DJL was reserved solely for landing with your DJ (no aerial).

    In any case, using an aerial to land as you're rising through the platform will result in an autocancel and a 4-frame landing as you said.

    Edit: Using R/L will cause a waveland in-place (no momentum) with an immediate 10-frame landing.
     
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    AHHH CRAP I miss typed it. i didn't mean falcon i meant falco..but this is useful as well.
     
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    Interesting, to my eyes and memory,I thought any landing on a platform out ground without starting an aerial had the same lag and animation.... I'll mess around in slow motion mode soon...
     
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    @Kimimaru, your requests are done!

    I also added some new images/tumble %s.
     
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    Thanks a lot! I will try and get the spacing right to avoid getting F-aired from the ledge.
     
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    This is all some cool information for me to test out. So much to learn.
     
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    Nice to have a little go-to guide. I'd love to see this finished, keep it up man.
     
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    Its funny cause were practically neighbors
     
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    Do any of Yoshi's attacks hit below the stage aside from Egg Toss?
     
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    Nair from the ledge :p

    I'll look at the moves today and add them. Down-angled Fsmash would be my first guess, and I know Fair works if you can time it.

    Edit: Done @Kimimaru!
     
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    Thanks so much! I was always wondering if down-angled F-smash hit below the stage. I also didn't know that D-smash did as well!
     
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    Any chance you can crunch a number for me? What is the maximum frames of actionable invincibility Yoshi gets from a waveland onto the stage? As in how many frames am I 'safe' while I can do things? The earliest waveland for a haxdash is frame 27(according to above), which would allow you actionability right as you become vulnerable. . . Can you airdodge faster if you're going toward the stage?
     
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    The landing lag starts on the frame that you Air Dodge, so you actually get 1 frame of actionable invincibility. As far as I've been able to tell, Air Dodging towards the stage doesn't give any frame advantage, but I will try again.
     
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    I remember reading on the marth frame data page he only has one or two games of invincibility if done frame perfectly, and I definitely have more success putting up shield after a wonderland with Yoshi than I do with marth... I'd figure he has any easier window...
     
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    So looking at the Parrying vs. Multishining section: does this mean that Parry -> N-air beats basically every single-hit move in the game? The only one I can think of that doesn't beat it is aerial shine -> double jump -> shine, since double jumping starts on frame 1.
     
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    @Purpletuce I looked at the Waveland again. Holding forward after the DJ will let you waveland onstage 1 frame early. You can get at most 2 frames of actionable invincibility this way.

    @Kimimaru Shine > Double Jump Shine is the only single-hit move I can think of that's fast enough to beat multiparrying. Fortunately it would lose to Parry > Imperfect DJL or just waiting an extra frame and then doing the DJL because of the armor (Fox would be stuck in Shine so he'd be easy to punish).
    So if we're talking 20XX, Yoshi still wins :yoshi:
     
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    Darn, that means Yoshi can't really challenge moves with his waveland. . . oh well. Thanks.
     
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    Is there anywhere we can see yoshi frame data for attacks on shield yet? If not, could you maybe test that out for me, I've always wanted to know if low f-airs were + on block. Shouldn't be terribly difficult compared to some of the other stuff you've looked into, and it would be helpful for pressure.
     
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    Hey Perhapsman I just wanted to let you and the entire yoshi group here know that thanks to this topic alone i fought my way to Five place at a tournament the other day out of 25 people. Taking out Marth/Falco/Foxand a roy (Of all things)
     
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    @yoshiiscool I would be happy to test that stuff. It'll be new for me since I've never looked into that sort of thing, and I've also always wondered how good Yoshi's attacks are on shield!

    Edit: Done!

    @Dinowulf Congratulations! I'm glad my information has helped.
     
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    What exactly is Shine lag? Do both Fox and Falco experience it, on top of normal hitlag, when hitting something with shine?
     
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    I have never seen anybody using term Shine lag, it isn't in common use. But I would assume it refers to the frames during which spacie can't jump out of his shine i.e the 3 (IIRC) first frames.
     
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