Some questions about Marth

[BlackWhiteOrange]

I'm a newb and have some questions on how to use Marth:

1. How do I launch an offensive without projectiles? Every possible solution I've thought of is just a variation of the "run in blindly" technique which is completely useless and usually fatal to me.

2. What are the uses of Marth's wavedash? I used to use Link and used wavedash strictly as a short dodge to smash attack, but with Marth it's too long to use as such. I've been told it's useful as a way of using smash attacks while in motion but I prefer to crouch-cancel a dash.

3. How did you learn to L-cancel correctly? I learnt to SHFFL while not actually hitting anyone, and I learnt it as one fluid motion, not separate button presses, so I'm having trouble adjusting to the delay caused by actually hitting an opponent and frequently press L too early and L-cancel incorrectly. How could I train to improve this technique?

Thank you for your help./

 

[Cactuar]

1. Marth isn't about being super aggressive. Just pressure and camp near the opponent.

2. Spacing. Fast movement. Mindgames.

3. Experience. Just play other people a lot and concentrate on adjusting. Eventually, it will come naturally.

 

[Junpappy]

Marth has his sword. Why do you need projectiles?

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Cactuar is very knowledgable, listen to him!

 

[~Tac~]

I'm a newb and have some questions on how to use Marth:

1. How do I launch an offensive without projectiles? Every possible solution I've thought of is just a variation of the "run in blindly" technique which is completely useless and usually fatal to me.

2. What are the uses of Marth's wavedash? I used to use Link and used wavedash strictly as a short dodge to smash attack, but with Marth it's too long to use as such. I've been told it's useful as a way of using smash attacks while in motion but I prefer to crouch-cancel a dash.

3. How did you learn to L-cancel correctly? I learnt to SHFFL while not actually hitting anyone, and I learnt it as one fluid motion, not separate button presses, so I'm having trouble adjusting to the delay caused by actually hitting an opponent and frequently press L too early and L-cancel incorrectly. How could I train to improve this technique?

Thank you for your help./

1. Marth isn't about being super aggressive. Just pressure and camp near the opponent.

2. Spacing. Fast movement. Mindgames.

3. Experience. Just play other people a lot and concentrate on adjusting. Eventually, it will come naturally.

1. Same as Cactuar. Marth is more of a quick damager instead of a Smash-Them-At-75% for-A-Kill.

2. Same as Cactuar also. Spacing, dash-cancels, mindgames.

3. I learned not too long ago, but only 2 of Marth's aerials have painful lags. So I don't really L-Cancel unless I use a dair close to the ground.

OH, and Welcome to SWF! :D

 

[Silver Sytos]

Wavedashing, along with mindgames, is useful for spacing. Spacing for a grab, a fsmash, utilt, whatever. Don't forget that you can alter the distance you move with a wavedashing by changing the angle of the control stick. Your opponents will have a hard time predicting where you'll be if you mix it up between walking, dashing/dash dancing, and wavedashing different lengths.

Also, wavedashing backwards for an edgehog is a cheap but effective way to kill someone. You'll need the adjust the length of your wavedash depending on how far away you are from the ledge. When you first practice this you'll SD a lot, but you will get better with practice.

 

[BlackWhiteOrange]

Thanks to you guys for your responses.

Another question, about spacing.

Does a SHFFLED fair have more range than a grab (Marth's grab)?

Thanks again.

 

[Dark Sonic]

^Yes^

I actually find that you can get away with being aggressive as long as your smart about it. Spaced Fairs make a great approach allowing you to make the offense. The d-tilt hits very low on the shield so it can easilly penetrate their defense.

 

[Aesir]

if marth has perfect spacing he can basically do whatever he wants.

but chances are you probably aren't that good at spacing so just keep playing other people and adjusting like cactuar says it should come to you. I use to think this was a stupid approach until I started getting better and **** LOL.

 

[Rushbaby]

I used to have a lot of trouble approching(I use to play falco) But a shuffld nair or fair will do the trick. I also use wavedancing quite a bit. With marth mindgames and faking them out.

 

[Teczer0]

you supose to wave dash like crazy dont run ull be really good trust me i do it all the time.

 

[Rage.]

you supose to wave dash like crazy dont run ull be really good trust me i do it all the time.

haha full proof plan right there

 

[~Tac~]

^Yes^

I actually find that you can get away with being aggressive as long as your smart about it. Spaced Fairs make a great approach allowing you to make the offense. The d-tilt hits very low on the shield so it can easilly penetrate their defense.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[JesiahTEG]

you supose to wave dash like crazy dont run ull be really good trust me i do it all the time.

I can't tell if your being serious or not... I hope your not.

I used to have a lot of trouble approching(I use to play falco) But a shuffld nair or fair will do the trick. I also use wavedancing quite a bit. With marth mindgames and faking them out.

You used to have a lot of trouble approaching...and you were using falco? Falco has the best approach game in the ENTIRE game. And wtf is wavedancing?

^Yes^

I actually find that you can get away with being aggressive as long as your smart about it. Spaced Fairs make a great approach allowing you to make the offense. The d-tilt hits very low on the shield so it can easilly penetrate their defense.

I'm not sure if your talking about approaching with D-tilts, but if that's what your getting at I would suggest not to approach with dtilts. If your talking about Shffl'd fair to a dtilt, or shdf to a dtilt, then that's a good approach.

1. Same as Cactuar. Marth is more of a quick damager instead of a Smash-Them-At-75% for-A-Kill.

2. Same as Cactuar also. Spacing, dash-cancels, mindgames.

3. I learned not too long ago, but only 2 of Marth's aerials have painful lags. So I don't really L-Cancel unless I use a dair close to the ground.

OH, and Welcome to SWF! :D

First off, Marth's fsmash will kill almost anyone at over 75%. IDk what your talking about because no character is "smash them at 74% for a kill"

second, don't listen to TMX... L cancel EVERYTHING.

^Yes^

I actually find that you can get away with being aggressive as long as your smart about it. Spaced Fairs make a great approach allowing you to make the offense. The d-tilt hits very low on the shield so it can easilly penetrate their defense.

Get away with being aggressive? Being agressive is not hard to "get away" with. It may not be the best style of play, but it definitely works. Marth can "get away" with anything, he's IMO the most versatile high-top tier characters.

Guys...When someone asks for help don't reply unless you know the answer to the question...your giving him false info and that's not what he needs if he's just started playing this game. I know ppl that stay away from the marth room cuz ppl in the room say stupid things, and a lot of the info is unreliable.

 

[~Tac~]

I can't tell if your being serious or not... I hope your not.

First off, Marth's fsmash will kill almost anyone at over 75%. IDk what your talking about because no character is "smash them at 74% for a kill"

second, don't listen to TMX... L cancel EVERYTHING.

1.) "Will kill almost anyone over 75%"

Yea, if tipped they'd get sent at a 45 degree angle pretty far but no garunteed kills, and the kill depends on location on the stage they get sent from.

2.) "second, don't listen to TMX... L cancel EVERYTHING"

I never told or gave instructions NOT to. I simply gave an example of what I do. Marth's nair and bair don't lag as much upon landing, so I don't L-Cancel them as often.

Don't treat me like an idiot, because I know **** well what I'm talking about. kthx.

 

[technomancer]

Thanks to you guys for your responses.

Another question, about spacing.

Does a SHFFLED fair have more range than a grab (Marth's grab)?

Thanks again.

Well, that depends. The straight answer is yes, but Marth's grab is easily twice as fast as his f-air and is a great setup on almost every character until high percents. Also, you can cover more distance with a dashing Jump-Cancelled grab, but you can also dash jump a f-air so that's situational. Both are punishable if you miss but F-airs have less lag if you land quickly with them, and you also have the option of a SH double F-air, which is very hard to punish (unless you land right in front of them and get grabbed)

 

[Dark Sonic]

Guys...When someone asks for help don't reply unless you know the answer to the question...your giving him false info and that's not what he needs if he's just started playing this game. I know ppl that stay away from the marth room cuz ppl in the room say stupid things, and a lot of the info is unreliable.

I did answer his question. He wanted to know if a SHFFL'd fair out ranges a grab and it does. When I mentioned the D-tilt I meant that if they shield your fair you can still keep the offense going with a D-tilt.

I mentioned the bit about getting away with being aggressive because many people say that being aggressive is very bad and that's not really true. My opinion of being aggressive is simply staying on the offense in order to keep your opponent on the defense. Too many people think that being aggressive means rushing blindly into battle and I wanted to give an example of being smart and aggressive.

I personally like to play aggressive. I will have to switch to the defense sometimes (like when Falco starts spaming SHL) but I try to get back in control as soon as I can.

I may not be widely known, but I'm certainly not a n00b either and I do know what I'm talking about.

 

[Jollies]

second, don't listen to TMX... L cancel EVERYTHING.

While I don't want to start a huge argument, I second that.

Even though the hit lag might not be too long with some of Marth's aerials, there's really no reason not to L-cancel all of them. You can't air combo half as well if you don't L-cancel all of his attacks. Even in moderately competitive play, a missed L-cancel on Marth can get you killed pretty easily. Besides, L-canceling is great practice for being able to play a well-rounded game with other characters.

No offense, TMX.

 

[~Tac~]

While I don't want to start a huge argument, I second that.

Even though the hit lag might not be too long with some of Marth's aerials, there's really no reason not to L-cancel all of them. You can't air combo half as well if you don't L-cancel all of his attacks. Even in moderately competitive play, a missed L-cancel on Marth can get you killed pretty easily. Besides, L-canceling is great practice for being able to play a well-rounded game with other characters.

No offense, TMX.

-Sigh- Once again. As I posted earlier, I never said to NOT L-Cancel. It was simply an example of what I do based on Marth's reduced lag with nair and bair.

Also, theres no need to cap my nick. Looks creepy like "TMX" o_o;;