Sol Badguy Rides the Fire!

MojoRobo

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A total, absolute, pipe dream, but here's the support thread for Sol Badguy, main protagonist of Guilty Gear!

Guilty Gear and Sol Badguy: An Introduction

Guilty Gear is the front-running fighting game series created by Arc System Works. Originally beginning on the original Playstation with Guilty Gear in 1998, the series is known for its unique mechanics that pioneered the subgenre of "anime fighter", such as airdashing, Roman Cancels, and a mechanic known as Burst, used to escape combos. Guilty Gear is highly praised for both its long-standing, well balanced, and immensely fun gameplay while preserving its old-school difficulty, as well as its cast of incredibly unique and diverse characters. The most recent entry of the series is Guilty Gear Xrd -Sign- released in December 2014 for consoles. A second version, Guilty Gear Xrd -Revelator-, was released in May 2016 for consoles. The third and final version of the game, Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2, was released in May 2017 for consoles.

Why Sol?
You might think: "We already have Ryu in Smash, why do we need another fighting game representative?"
While this is a fair point, I would like to mention that Ryu only represents his specific genre of fighting games, being the traditional 1v1 fighter. For those unaware, the mechanics of Street Fighter and Guilty Gear are extremely different. Street Fighter plays much slower, with shorter combos and much more emphasis on dominating the neutral game and using pokes to get small hits in. Guilty Gear, on the flipside, is much more explosive, with a ton of mobility options, much faster pacing in its fights, and flashy, long combos. If we were to use Smash terms, Street Fighter is Smash 4 while Guilty Gear is Melee (Though this is MASSIVELY oversimplifying things). Simply speaking, Sol has the potential to represent an important, and very different subgenre of fighting games when compared to Ryu.


How would he fight?
Sol fights with both his immense physical strength, as well as his weapon, the Junkyard Dog Mk3, a blade that makes up for its lack of real cutting power by being able to produce extremely hot flames. Sol is a very well-rounded, yet rushdown-focused character. Despite being the main character, he is actually not the "Ryu" of Guilty Gear (With that honor going to his rival, Ky). He's only somewhat of an all-rounder, and has a much greater emphasis on getting in his opponent's face and staying there, bullying them with his great normals and converting into huge damage off of counter hits without needing to spend many resources. He has a projectile, but you don't use it for zoning or controlling neutral, you use it to cover your approach and apply pressure on a blocking opponent.

This isn't even mentioning his potential for extremely unique mechanics. His subgenre has a whole bevvy of techniques that could be put into place. While these will be explained later, he could incorporate airdashing, Roman Cancels, and Burst into his Smash moveset.

Overall, Sol would be a heavy offense character, with an emphasis on scaring the opponent with his terrifying close range capabilities and punishing them hard for letting him get anywhere near them.

What would his moveset look like?
This is where the fun comes in: Sol has his moveset almost built in from the get-go, but it can still be tweaked to give very interesting properties to them in a Smash Bros. setting.
Normals
Jab Combo

A simple 3 hit jab combo that ends with a slightly strong launcher. Takes the animations from his 5P, 5K, and c.S from Guilty Gear Xrd.


Tilts

Ftilt

A far reaching tilt that could be used as a tool in neutral. Would likely have solid damage and good knockback. Takes the animation from his f.S from Guilty Gear Xrd.

Utilt

A tall, anti-air tilt. Could be used as a launcher to start air combos or as a combo tool. Takes the animation from his 2H from Guilty Gear Xrd.

Dtilt

A very low-profile sweep kick. Would likely be used both as a neutral poke and as a combo starter, depending on where you hit it. Takes the animation from his 2D from Guilty Gear Xrd.

Aerials

Nair

A simple, short-ranged, and quick two-hit attack. Likely used as a jump-in move on shields. Takes the animation from his j.H from Guilty Gear Xrd.

Fair

A strong, downward angled sword swing. Would have strong damage and fairly solid knockback. Would also hit below Sol to a degree. Takes the animation from his j.S from Guilty Gear Xrd.

Bair

Sol's infamous jumping Dust. Would be a powerful, quick move, with both use in combos and as a strong kill option, similar to Falco's. Takes the animation from, of course, his j.D from Guilty Gear.

Uair
This is a hard one to figure out. Likely would need to be an original move. For now, I will leave this empty, but if you have a suggestion, don't be afraid to post it!

Dair

A stall-n-fall divekick dair that drops quickly. Would likely have a spike hitbox near the beginning. On contact with any terrain, Sol would unleash a large pillar of flames that would launch the opponent into the air, bouncing them off of the ground. Takes the animation from Sol's Kudakero (j.214K) special attack from Guilty Gear Xrd.
Smashes
Fsmash

Sol's powerful 6H, aka "Tombstone". Lifting up and driving his weapon into the ground, this attack would work one of two ways: Either serving as a powerful kill move, or as a move that buries the opponent on hit. If hitting an aerial opponent, though, it would definitely result in a brutally strong spike. Takes the animation from his 6H from Guilty Gear Xrd.

Usmash

Heeeeere's Dust! Sol swings his open hand upwards, resulting in a brutally strong, yet slow, up smash. Takes the animation from his 5D from Guilty Gear Xrd.

Dsmash
Not much to work with for this one. Would likely need to be an original move. Open to suggestions.
Grabs + Throws
Grab + Pummel

Sol grabs his opponent by the collar. Pummel would be a strong, yet very slow headbutt. Uses the animation from the first hit of Sol's Wild Throw (623K) special attack from Guilty Gear Xrd.

Bthrow AND Dthrow

The ending hit of Sol's Wild Throw special attack. Would ground bounce the opponent into the air slightly above Sol. Bthrow launched them behind Sol while Dthrow does the opposite. Ground bounce would be 100% untechable.

Fthrow and Uthrow
Again, not much to work with on this one. Likely would just be original moves. Post suggestions if you have them.
Specials + Final Smash
Gunflame
Neutral B OR 236+A

Sol's signature Gunflame special. A projectile that consists of multiple pillars of fire exploding forth from the ground in a row. Would likely have large shieldstun. Can be made more powerful by doing the original motion input from Guilty Gear.

Bandit Revolver
Side B OR 236+B

Sol's idea of a Tatsumaki. A leaping, quick, overhead kick attack. Sol would jump into the air for this, likely higher and faster than Corrin's own Side B. Would be a quick attack possibly used to close in during neutral or as a combo tool. Can be made more powerful by doing the original motion input. But wait! There's more:

Bandit Bringer
Side B (Hold) OR 236+B (Hold)

A strong, overhead strike. Sol delays the attack for longer than Bandit Revolver, but gets an immensely strong attack off of it with both high damage, knockback, and shield damage. Would launch grounded opponents into the air, but would hit aerial opponents with a powerful spike.

Volcanic Viper
Up B OR 623+A

Possibly one of the strongest dragon punches in fighting games. Sol rises incredibly high up with a flaming, multi-hit uppercut. Not a kill move, but rather a combo tool to tack on way more damage than the combo would deal without it.

Tataki Otoshi
B OR 214+A (At any time during Volcanic Viper)

A finisher attack to Volcanic Viper. Sol finishes off the attack with an overhead kick, resulting in a brutally powerful spike to the opponent.

Grand Viper
Down B OR 214+A

An incredibly fast, low-profile attack where Sol quickly speeds across the ground, catching any opponent unlucky enough to not be blocking into a massive amount of multi-hits. Hold the button to extend to sliding attack for longer, or push it again to end with an absurdly strong kill move. Be warned, however, if you reach the ledge while sliding Sol will drag them off the stage with him as he continues downward at an angle.
Branding Breach

Sol activates his Dragon Install and then proceeds to rush forward with a straight punch engulfed in flames. If it connects, he will then go into his Instant Kill from Guilty Gear Xrd: Branding Breach, where he rushes forwards and punches his opponent in the gut with the Junkyard Dog, engulfing them in a massive explosion that rends the earth around them. The move would deal incredible damage and strong knockback, but would instantly kill if the opponent is over 100% damage.

Video for reference:

What would make Sol unique?
Sol has a lot of potential to bring totally unique mechanics to Smash. His source game pioneered a subgenre of its own, and Sol would need to adequately represent it were he to make an appearance. Here are just a couple of ideas:

Airdash
A staple of the anime fighter subgenre. Sol would be able to choose between either a normal double jump, or the ability to move horizontally forward or backwards through the air. Sol would not be able to airdodge during the beginning of the airdash, replicating how you cannot block during the first few frames of an airdash, but would be able to act out of it very quickly. This would open up a new avenue of aerial game that other fighters would not be able to replicate.

Tension Gauge

A major mechanic in Guilty Gear is your Tension Gauge, or just your regular super gauge. Every character in Guilty Gear has multiple options on how to spend their Tension Gauge, and it all depends on what the player believes is the best option in the moment. Tension would be fundamentally different from the Final Smash Meter, in that Tension would be consumed to give Sol access to powerful options for different occasions. This introduces the concept of meter management into Smash, and would give Sol an extra avenue of depth to his entire meta as a character, giving him powerful tools at a cost that he must make intelligent use of.

Faultless Defense
An extra avenue of defense. It drains your Tension Gauge, but in exchange your character will prop up a shield that blocks all incoming chip damage. In Smash, you would likely use this to become immune to shield damage in exchange for Tension.

Roman Cancels
The Roman Cancel is a mechanic pioneered by Guilty Gear. Essentially, the Roman Cancel system is a way for you to extend your combos, as for spending a certain amount of Tension, you can entirely cancel the animation of an attack you are currently doing and suffer no endlag. There are three types of Roman Cancels that would likely be implemented into Smash. Yellow, Red, and Purple, indicated by the flash of aura your character displays while using them.

Yellow Roman Cancels (YRC) occur when you cancel a move while your opponent is not in hitstun or blockstun. They consume 25% of your Tension Gauge to activate and provide a very brief period (18 frames) of slowed down time. They are mostly used to make slow, whiffed moves safe.
Red Roman Cancels (RRC) occur when you cancel a move while your opponent is in hitstun or blockstun. They consume 50% of your Tension Gauge and will provide a full second of slowed down time (60 frames) to allow for ease of extending combos.
Purple Roman Cancels (PRC) occur when you cancel a move during the recovery frames. They consume 50% of your Tension Gauge and will provide a short time (40 frames) of slow down. Certain attacks such as Volcanic Viper cannot be PRC'd.

In Smash, Roman Cancels would likely work much the same way, in an effort to represent one of the defining gameplay features of Guilty Gear.

Burst
Another staple of both Guilty Gear and the anime fighter subgenre. This is a powerful, yet expensive tool that allows your character to spend a precious resource to instantly break out of any combo they are caught in. There is a whole sub-metagame built around Burst within Guilty Gear, and you must be smart about your usage, as it takes a long time to get it back again. If you use it incorrectly, you are likely to be subject to a brutal reset and full damage combo, but when used correctly it is a valuable defensive option to let you survive.
There are one of two ways that Burst could be implemented into Smash. One, tie it to a separate Burst meter, similar to Guilty Gear, or two, tie it to the Tension Gauge and have it consume 100% Tension.
Regardless, Burst would likely work how it does in Guilty Gear when used, Sol would rise a short distance into the air and release a burst of energy, spawning a hitbox that knocks the opponent away.

Conclusion
Sol represents a genre of fighting games that have no presence in Smash yet, and is the most popular representative for that genre. He brings a ton of possibilities for mechanics that Smash has never seen before, and has the potential of being one of the most unique fighters in the series' history. He may not be the absolutely most popular character, and definitely is obscure within the Smash community, but the potential he has to spice the game up in his own unique way, I feel, more than justifies his inclusion into the series.


Credits go to Dustloop for all pictures provided here. They are a very useful resource for anyone looking to get into fighting games similar to Guilty Gear. Check them out!

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SvartWolf

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While sol isn't my main guy , I totally support him or more like, i totally support the inclusion of guilty gear in smash, which will means Sol Badguy.

STILL though... as far as generic bland boring protagonist go... Sol have the adventage of not being neither bland nor boring nor generic, so yay? XD

(also if people though Bayonetta was frustrating XD)

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I personally prefer his rival, Ky, over him, but I support because he'd still be a fun addition. Also, I'd support just to get the soundtrack in Smash anyway.
 

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COUNT! ME! IN!

Sol Badguy is one of the few left-handed swordfighters to be remembered by me! Arc System Works, please allow this!
 

SvartWolf

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is somewhat sad that almost all teh list I am as a supporter barely have 10 supporters T.T
I know this not gonna happpen.. but it would be amazing :D

(yet still i got plenty of characters ive suported on the game... Wolf in brawl, Robin and Bayonetta on Sm4sh, Simon and Ridley on ultimate :3)
 
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