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TANK64

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I'm WAY too krunk to understand anything I just read lmaodoijkljdklsajkl;jalkjfkld;asjlkf;adsjkf;dsajkl;fsdajdf

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@Pete, Greeks are so ****ing crazy. DotJPEG lol lol jajaj <3

I had something SUPER important to post. I guess I'll remember it later lol.

Shot out to Clubba 8) ...
 
Krynxe

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haha krunk wat is that evren

tnak do you hae skype or aim or something? you're sort of the best
 
SSBPete

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TANK64 said:
I'm WAY too krunk to understand anything I just read lmaodoijkljdklsajkl;jalkjfkld;asjlkf;adsjkf;dsajkl;fsdajdf

dsjklls;ajkfl;dajfkla



@Pete, Greeks are so ****ing crazy. DotJPEG lol lol jajaj <3

I had something SUPER important to post. I guess I'll remember it later lol.

Shot out to Clubba 8) ...
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without a doubt, smashboards would be useless without TANK
 
Krynxe

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lol i asked to join that **** mang

i wasnt planning on your body tank but it doesnt seem like the worst thing :3c

gosh
 
sirlaser

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To what extent does Isai dominate SSB64?

Before you go and deride this as another pointless thread, please give me a chance here. ;)

According to the Wikipedia article on Sir Donald Bradman, he posts an average of 99.94 runs in Test matches. Jack Nicklaus holds 18 Major titles. Michael Jordan scored 30.1 points on average/game. These stats correspond to 4.4, 3.5, and 3.4 standard deviations above the average for Cricket, Golf, and Basketball, respectively.

So, how good is Isai? Obviously, he's regarded as the best 64 player, completely dominating this sport. But to what extent? Is there some concrete measurement that the community can agree upon to compare 64 players against each other, in order to realize just how amazing Isai is (no disrespect to other players)? Does he dominate the average competitive 64 player even more than how Leonardo da Vinci soared above the average man in intelligence (by most accounts, da Vinci is agreed to be 6+ standard deviations above the average man in intelligence; this means he is the most intelligent person ever existed, with an estimated IQ of 220+)? Or is he more comparable to Sir Donald Bradman for Cricket?

I'm genuinely curious, because after seeing the most recent 12 character battle between Isai and Superboomfan, after watching my friend Battlecow play Superboomfan, after losing horribly to a friend who got 5 stocked by Battlecow, I as a casual 64 player have come to realize the barest tip of the astronomical difference between the skill level of someone who plays 64 casually and the best player in the world.

Please discuss. Any feedback would be appreciated. :reverse:
 
asianaussie

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i can't think of many games or even many *scenes* that have as dominant a single player as isai

the australian AOM (age of mythology) scene was utterly dominated by one guy, but not quite to such an extent
 
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i'm going refute the that da vinci was the smartest person who ever lived
i've done some research on this before and apparently aristotle and newton were about his equal, if not smarter

more to the point, isai is unfathomably good

interesting thread, i liked the read
 
Olikus

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We should first define how you are best at 64.

Is it 12 caracther battle?

Just the best main.

Or maybe a combination?

I learn towards the latter.

Like Gerson main is allmost as good as isais main imo. But isai would most likely pwn gerson in a 12 caracther battle. Since Gersons pika was much better than the other caracthers I saw him use. Therefor isai is better than gerson imo even if theyr mains is pretty even.
 
clubbadubba

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See even with Gerson, I think Isai 3 stocked his pikachu with link. Yea it was because he doesn't know the matchup well, but I don't think he's learned it since what with the lack of link's in peru.

I think 12 character battles are the best way to look at who's the best personally, and Isai is simply unbeatable in 12 char battles. I was thinking next time Isai, Boom, and Jaime are all in the same place, they should do a 12 char battle where Isai gets 60 stocks versus Boom and Jaime who get 60 stocks each. Then it might be hype, maybe.

There should be a 12 char battle tourney....
 
clubbadubba

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TANK64 said:
I'm WAY too krunk to understand anything I just read lmaodoijkljdklsajkl;jalkjfkld;asjlkf;adsjkf;dsajkl;fsdajdf

dsjklls;ajkfl;dajfkla



@Pete, Greeks are so ****ing crazy. DotJPEG lol lol jajaj <3

I had something SUPER important to post. I guess I'll remember it later lol.

Shot out to Clubba 8) ...
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Shout out to Tank for finding out that krunk is an acceptable loophole lol
 
The Star King

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Pfft I bet I could take Jaime in a 12 char battle :troll:

TBH I have no idea how good his characters that aren't Fox/Falcon/Mario/Samus are
 
Olikus

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clubbadubba said:
See even with Gerson, I think Isai 3 stocked his pikachu with link. Yea it was because he doesn't know the matchup well, but I don't think he's learned it since what with the lack of link's in peru.

I think 12 character battles are the best way to look at who's the best personally, and Isai is simply unbeatable in 12 char battles. I was thinking next time Isai, Boom, and Jaime are all in the same place, they should do a 12 char battle where Isai gets 60 stocks versus Boom and Jaime who get 60 stocks each. Then it might be hype, maybe.

There should be a 12 char battle tourney....
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yeah but what if gerson was better than isai in 1v1? would isai still be the best since he would woop him in 12 chars? It has to be a combination, because in a tourney the guy with the best main would win over a guy who his worse, but is better at 12 chars battle.
 
malva00

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clubbadubba said:
See even with Gerson, I think Isai 3 stocked his pikachu with link. Yea it was because he doesn't know the matchup well, but I don't think he's learned it since what with the lack of link's in peru.
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We didn't play too many matches with other match ups, but I beat his Pikachu once with Link (I don't think it was a 3 stock) and once with DK (ended with down B to GIANT PUNCH).

I don't dominate SSB at all. I'm just a SOLID player.
 
clubbadubba

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^da **** why can't you play man? Besides it'll be a while before we have enough. I won't settle for low entry on this one, so maybe you'll be able too :)
 
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Ofc it can't be a combination of all chars.
Should all fotball players play every position to prove how good they are?

Isai is a amazing player and he is the best is SSB with 1 char and 12 char battle. But saying 12 chars would be the thing to judge those conclussions on is extremly wrong.

Im not saying a player have to stay with one char all the time but if Isai play against player X the one that wins most often in Bo5/7 exc is the best one and if they both choose to play same char all matches or change char all the time dosen't matter.
 
clubbadubba

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I dunno, isn't it kind of up to you what you judge "best" on? There's best in a 12 char battle, best in a 4outof7 series, best in a 4outof7 series where you can't repeat characters, and so on. I think you get to decide which "best" is most indicative of good smash skill. We usually refer to the 4outof7 type skill because that's what most tourneys are like, but if people instead decided that all tourneys should be 12 char battle format we'd be thinking differently. I think people arbitrarily defined what "good" is by the format of tournaments, but that doesn't mean that tournament style sets are the end all be all determination of best.
 
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^ Horrible analogy.

To play different positions in sports (for example: FOOTBALL), requires a completely different skill set. It requires a different knowledge of x's and o's. It requires a different body type. I would love to see a 180 pound slot receiver try his hand at left tackle.

Being good with multiple characters is a must if you're asking the question, "Who's the best at ssb?". It really depends on the question. If you're asking, "Who could win a best of 3, or who could win a tournament?," then having a main at a high level is more important. It's up to the individual's preference (I personally think the former is more telling than the latter). Everyone's going to have their own take, hence we have a never-ending argument.

That being said, I've never seen a single human being dominate something to the extent that Isai has. I believe a large part of that has to do with the small # of people who actually play this game competitively, but it's still pretty impressive.
 
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lol fun night xD

lol @ y'all.

Anyways, I hate it when you're playing Conkers, and you and some teddy headshot each other at the same time >____> . Like wtf, I'm tryin' to catch up here. Great now I'm unarmed.

It's especially bad when you are by yourself with like 2 lives, and the Teddies still have like 10. Comeback buzz kill...

Not that I loose to Teddies :cool: . But when they grab that magnum on Einstein, and start no-scoping peeps from across the map, you gotta be careful...
 
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Isai has pretty much travelled the world and come home victorious every time. That in itself is damn impressive and indicative of his skill.

You know the guy dominates when there's not a single person you can even fathom who'd beat him. In most sports and whatnot, there's always the debate of that one guy across the world who could possibly beat "the best". Javi was one of those guys in Melee (and now Dark? Don't really keep up with Melee), and Gerson & co. were those guys in SSB64. But Isai went and proved himself so there's really nobody left to post a challenge at this point.

I've never seen a person shut down everybody's opinions of "the greatest" like Isai has.
 
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SSBPete said:
i'm going refute the that da vinci was the smartest person who ever lived
i've done some research on this before and apparently aristotle and newton were about his equal, if not smarter

more to the point, isai is unfathomably good

interesting thread, i liked the read
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"smartest" is not well defined at all and how the hell are you supposed to measure anything about people that lived hundreds (or thousands in the case of Aristotle) years ago?

anyway isai is almost as good as barry bonds :troll:
 
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Armada said:
Ofc it can't be a combination of all chars.
Should all fotball players play every position to prove how good they are?

Isai is a amazing player and he is the best is SSB with 1 char and 12 char battle. But saying 12 chars would be the thing to judge those conclussions on is extremly wrong.

Im not saying a player have to stay with one char all the time but if Isai play against player X the one that wins most often in Bo5/7 exc is the best one and if they both choose to play same char all matches or change char all the time dosen't matter.
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^^Truth. The best guy is the guy who would win in a tourney, i.e. the guy with the best single char/counterpicks.

Isai is very dominant, and prior to his trip to peru I would have said more dominant than anyone I could think of in any other sport or scene I'm familiar with. But he went 13-8 against Gerson, whereas before I would have said that he wouldn't lose a match in a hundred to anyone on the planet when playing pika, fox, or kirby.

I'm tempted to say that Gerson's ultra-defensive strategy is invalid and shouldn't count, but at the moment it reflects the current ruleset. Isai's unquestionably the best that there is or ever has been by a solid margin, and that's about as far as I'm willing to go.
 
The Star King

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Meh, I thought mostly everyone in the 64 community was agreeing, but because of Battlecow I'll put in my two cents:

clubba is right about everything. It's up to you to define what you think "best". Of course, in context of tournaments, mastery over the entire cast is probably not as important (except in clubba's 12 character battle tournament which you should all join), but one may also believe that tournaments don't necessarily reflect who's the "best".

P.S. I wish Isai played some matches against Gerson on Dreamland.
 
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