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[TheMightyP]

It's already happening to be blunt.

There's an extremely passionate collector's market for VHS tapes, and considering how our society loves looking back, it's only a matter of time until people are clamoring for the return of the VHS.

The question is, will that be enough for 2D animation to make a comeback?

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Well, different strokes I guess.

Though I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss those Flapjack shorts theaters used to play.

Let me know when that happens.

I mean, Pixar gets away with it.

 

[Shroob]

The question is, will that be enough for 2D animation to make a comeback?

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

2D? No, absolute not.


Stuff shot on cameras that make it look like it was filmed in the 70's/80's/90's? Absolutely.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

2D? No, absolute not.


Stuff shot on cameras that make it look like it was filmed in the 70's/80's/90's? Absolutely.

I still don't understand why 2D even died. Like, what really even is the difference from an audience perspective.

 

[TheMightyP]

2D? No, absolute not.


Stuff shot on cameras that make it look like it was filmed in the 70's/80's/90's? Absolutely.

What what you're saying is

Back to the Future remake, where the 80s are filmed in the ratio of the original movie, and 2015 is filmed modern tech.

And the 1950s are filmed like the early color films.

UNIVERSAL, HIRE THIS MAN (I'm this man)

 

[Shroob]

I still don't understand why 2D even died. Like, what really even is the difference from an audience perspective.

Pixar.

Companies saw how successful Toy Story was, coupled with Disney having a few stinkers box-office wise, like Treasure Planet and Home on the Range, and said that CGI was the future.


It was a lot to do with profits, mainly.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Pixar.

Companies saw how successful Toy Story was, coupled with Disney having a few stinkers box-office wise, like Treasure Planet and Home on the Range, and said that CGI was the future.


It was a lot to do with profits, mainly.

Sure. I know that story.

But then why didn't Princess and the Frog win audiences back? It was a good movie wasn't it?

I can't believe the future of 2D theatrical animation rests in the hands of Teen Titans Go and My Little Pony.

 

[TheMightyP]

Ok, so since we're bringing up Dusney, does anyone else feel like their recent movies have become... samey? Like, all have the same happy go lucky opening, all present the problem very shortly after, all have some scene to make you feel sad, and then a twist villian that will never rival Wreck it Ralph's Turbo in terms of surprise, day saved. Recently, it doesn't feel like they're giving it their all, because many of these tropes are being done half heartedly.

 

[Shroob]

Sure. I know that story.

But then why didn't Princess and the Frog win audiences back? It was a good movie wasn't it?

I can't believe the future of 2D theatrical animation rests in the hands of Teen Titans Go and My Little Pony.

It was a great movie, I loved it.

And while it looks like, it made back over double its production cost.... to be honest, compare that to a lot of Pixar films, that not only cost less to make, but make like, 5-6 times their production cost.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

I don't watch that many animated movies, so I don't really have anything to say on 2D vs 3D. I'd say I prefer 2D, but my two favorite movies are both 3D.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

It was a great movie, I loved it.

And while it looks like, it made back over double its production cost.... to be honest, compare that to a lot of Pixar films, that not only cost less to make, but make like, 5-6 times their production cost.

But does them making that much money have anything to do with them being 2D, or just the quality of the films?

 

[Shroob]

But does them making that much money have anything to do with them being 2D, or just the quality of the films?

Executive sees:

"Customers don't want 2D, look, the numbers show it. They make less money than 3D!"

then Executive says:

"3D movies cost less to make and take less time to make."



It always comes down to money, Snake. It's nothing personal, it's business.

 

[TheMightyP]

It always comes down to money, Snake. It's nothing personal, it's business.

Ok President Business.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Executive sees:

"Customers don't want 2D, look, the numbers show it. They make less money than 3D!"

then Executive says:

"3D movies cost less to make and take less time to make."



It always comes down to money, Snake. It's nothing personal, it's business.

I understand that. But why do they think that it's the style of animation that causes them to make so much money and not the actual quality of the film? Don't they have plenty of examples proving that? Even from a monetary standpoint there's evidence to prove it. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[ZephyrZ]

For some reason caffeine has never made me feel "awake". It just makes me jittery and makes it so I can't fall asleep. But it doesn't help me think straight or function normally.

...Trying that energy drink was a mistake. Never again.

 

[TheMightyP]

Btw, E3 is TOMORROW! GET HYPED!

 

[Shroob]

I understand that. But why do they think that it's the style of animation that causes them to make so much money and not the actual quality of the film? Don't they have plenty of examples proving that? Even from a monetary standpoint there's evidence to prove it. It just doesn't make sense.

I mean, the exact same thing can be asked in reverse. Who's to say that 2D movies are popular with the average movie goer anymore? The numbers say they're not compared to 3D movies.


You can ask one way, but they'll simply ask you the same question, and the numbers support their side, be it as thinly veiled as it may be.

 

[Metal Shop X]

I just passed the 50 hour mark myself...haha. The only good thing about quarantine is that I get to play Xenoblade all day whenever I'm not working.

What part in the story are you currently at?

I say i'm at

Spoiler: Mid Game Light Spoiler

just shortly after Melia became the new empress & the attack on Prison Island just started.

wonder if I should continue in the story tho or do more sidequests....especially since there is so many to do...

 

[TheMightyP]

Anyway, here are my E3 predictions:
We find out who Brave is. It's Banjo, not Erdrick.
SNES Online
Finally see Pikmin 4, it's nearly complete right?
Finally see Metroid Prime 4
Mother 3 since Reggie's gone
Odyssey DLC, I mean, that game is still alive right?
TTYD remaster because it's just obvious.
And I sure can't wait for the new Pokemon game! I'll bet they'll share some exciting news!

 

[SneakyLink]

Anyway, here are my E3 predictions:
We find out who Brave is. It's Banjo, not Erdrick.
SNES Online
Finally see Pikmin 4, it's nearly complete right?
Finally see Metroid Prime 4
Mother 3 since Reggie's gone
Odyssey DLC, I mean, that game is still alive right?
TTYD remaster because it's just obvious.
And I sure can't wait for the new Pokemon game! I'll bet they'll share some exciting news!

Inb4 the Pokémon News is that not all Pokémon from previous titles will return.

 

[Shroob]

Inb4 the Pokémon News is that not all Pokémon from previous titles will return.

Don't be crazy, do you know how much of an outrage that'd be?

 

[TheMightyP]

Don't be crazy, do you know how much of an outrage that'd be?

Yeah, such an action would divide the fanbase and cause it to implode on itself. Don't be silly.

 

[Shroob]

Yeah, such an action would divide the fanbase and cause it to implode on itself. Don't be silly.

Besides, what, would they just be gone forever? They're not going to add DLC later down the line to add them in, they'll just make a 3rd version like they always do.

 

[TheMightyP]

Besides, what, would they just be gone forever? They're not going to add DLC later down the line to add them in, they'll just make a 3rd version like they always do.

Pokemon Gun

When's Sinnoh Gamefreak.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I mean, the exact same thing can be asked in reverse. Who's to say that 2D movies are popular with the average movie goer anymore? The numbers say they're not compared to 3D movies.


You can ask one way, but they'll simply ask you the same question, and the numbers support their side, be it as thinly veiled as it may be.

As much as people say that. There is proof that it's quality of the movie that matters more.

Toy Story 4 (a 3D movie) cost Two-Hundred Million to make and made about a billion dollars. About 5 times as much.

My Little Pony the movie (a 2D movie) cost 6.5 million to make and made 61 million dollars. Just over 10 times it's budget

Princess and the frog (a 2D movie) cost 100 million to make and made 270 million. Only about 2 times it's budget.

Norm of the North (a 3d movie) cost 18 million to make and made 30 million. Just barely over 1 times it's budget.

It's about quality, not animation style. And you can prove that purely based on money made.

 

[TheMightyP]

I'm gonna agree with Snake in that it's the quality of the movie that counts. Remember, we're in the age of internet reviews, so when you go to buy tickets online, and you see Google slap that 2/5 when you first search it up, you reconsider.

Remember the After Earth effect? after people talked about how terrible it was (mainly online, because social media was taking off around that time), it plummeted in the Box Office.

 

[Shroob]

As much as people say that. There is proof that it's quality of the movie that matters more.

Toy Story 4 (a 3D movie) cost Two-Hundred Million to make and made about a billion dollars. About 5 times as much.

My Little Pony the movie (a 2D movie) cost 6.5 million to make and made 61 million dollars. Just over 10 times it's budget

Princess and the frog (a 2D movie) cost 100 million to make and made 270 million. Only about 2 times it's budget.

Norm of the North (a 3d movie) cost 18 million to make and made 30 million. Just barely over 1 times it's budget.

It's about quality, not animation style. And you can prove that purely based on money made.

True, but also look at those numbers.


Toy Story 4 only made 5 times it production cost but.... a billion dollars is a billion dollars.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

True, but also look at those numbers.


Toy Story 4 only made 5 times it production cost but.... a billion dollars is a billion dollars.

Fair point.

It's a pitch. A pitch I need to perfect if I'm gonna convince a studio.

You can convince an ****** to buy an ice box if you're a good enough salesman. That's the skill you need to succeed in hollywood.

 

[TheMightyP]

That reminds me though, what even were the Pokemon Stars rumors? That SuMo port that never happened and people swore up and down that it's coming, and then threw a tantrum when it turned out to be Let's Go. That was odd.

True, but also look at those numbers.


Toy Story 4 only made 5 times it production cost but.... a billion dollars is a billion dollars.

Tbf, it also has to do with timing, and franchise reconizability. Like, iirc, Toy Story 4 came out during the summer, so the kids had plenty of family time to go see it, but it's also old enough were a bunch of now teens and young adults feel nostalgic about it and go to see it as well. Mix it in with it being... decent (which is low for Toy Story standards, but I digress), and you got a perfect blockbuster for hitting $1B

 

[Zinith]

That reminds me though, what even were the Pokemon Stars rumors? That SuMo port that never happened and people swore up and down that it's coming, and then threw a tantrum when it turned out to be Let's Go. That was odd.

Tbf, it also has to do with timing, and franchise reconizability. Like, iirc, Toy Story 4 came out during the summer, so the kids had plenty of family time to go see it, but it's also old enough were a bunch of now teens and young adults feel nostalgic about it and go to see it as well. Mix it in with it being... decent (which is low for Toy Story standards, but I digress), and you got a perfect blockbuster for hitting $1B

I was already nostalgic for the original movies when Toy Story 3 came out. By the time 4 came out I was like "...................nah"

 

[TheMightyP]

I was already nostalgic for the original movies when Toy Story 3 came out. By the time 4 came out I was like "...................nah"

4 added virtually nothing to the story anyway, aside from the fact that

Spoiler

Bo Peep is still alive, and Woody leaves everyone to be with her

 

[PLATINUM7]

It's already happening to be blunt.

There's an extremely passionate collector's market for VHS tapes, and considering how our society loves looking back, it's only a matter of time until people are clamoring for the return of the VHS.

I still have a working VCR and my VHS collection but holy crap is it so much simpler to just use any medium that succeeded it.

One the one hand, I want to say people like higher quality when it comes to film so it's not like people still making vinyl records for that grainy sound. On the other hand, people play with CTR filters for old games so maybe there is some kind of crazy market for lower quality, greater space-taking releases of films and TV shows.

So I guess maybe I shouldn't be so confused when films are released in VHS, Beta, DVD, Blu-ray, HDDVD, laser disc, GBA video and digital combos.

 

[Z25]

Ok, so since we're bringing up Dusney, does anyone else feel like their recent movies have become... samey? Like, all have the same happy go lucky opening, all present the problem very shortly after, all have some scene to make you feel sad, and then a twist villian that will never rival Wreck it Ralph's Turbo in terms of surprise, day saved. Recently, it doesn't feel like they're giving it their all, because many of these tropes are being done half heartedly.

Pixar can definitely do the twist villain better. Particularly I actually liked the way they did it in Coco. Because it not only made sense but like Wreck it Ralph built off of the lore in a logical sense and they were able to make it pretty dark given the theme of the movie.

Disney just does t have that touch. Although to be fair they couldn’t make a worse twist Villain then Hans in the Frozen.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Pixar can definitely do the twist villain better. Particularly I actually liked the way they did it in Coco. Because it not only made sense but like Wreck it Ralph built off of the lore in a logical sense and they were able to make it pretty dark given the theme of the movie.

Disney just does t have that touch. Although to be fair they couldn’t make a worse twist Villain then Hans in the Frozen.

Eh. The IDEA of him and the message he sends as it relates to the film is good.... they just kind of executed it poorly. But not as poorly as some people think. There are actually a few times where it looks like he's helping Elsa but is actually incapacitating her. Not to mention, his dialogue with Ana is straight out of the manipulative abuser's playbook. Saying things like "I would never shut you out" and "I don't want HER to hurt you". It sounds innocent because it's supposed to. That's how you manipulate people.

And to be fair, I don't blame him for keeping up his act as long as he did and to the degree he did because Elsa was such an unknown variable that his best bet to gain power was still to marry Anna. Which would be.... challenging..... if he came back with Elsa's corpse. I know I couldn't marry a man who killed my sister, even if it was for a good reason.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I just wanted to say that I am playing King of Fighters XIV and it is very fun.

You should play it and be very cool like me!

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Elevator pitch. Nickelodeon makes 4 animated shorts based on the SpongeBob characters. 4 at 5 minutes would be about a half-hour of content so it's normal production. Implying some of the rules of the Golden Age of Animation. One short would be SpongeBob, the next Patrick, the third Squidward, and the final Mr. Krabs and Plankton. Each short may only feature it's headliner and it's antagonist. Any more characters would over-complicate it and get in the way of the humor. If a character headlines one short, they can't be the antagonist of another. And aside from Mr. Krabs and Plankton, each short should feature a brand new character as an antagonist, to avoid repeating and recycling gags and jokes from the original series. These get uploaded online. If they do well, this becomes the new format of SpongeBob as a show. Opening them up to the expanded cast of Bikini Bottomites for use in the shorts. But still with the rule of avoiding pairings and setups that were done in the original show. For example, SpongeBob and Patrick could headline a short together, but it can't be about them annoying Squidward. Tropes of the Golden Age will be utilized (every-man, trickster, egotist comeuppance, and chase formula) but with the unique SpongeBob style of humor flavoring them. The designs would likewise slightly revert to resemble the classic series first and second seasons, for the sake of more closely resembling the shorts they're imitating. But again, still recognizably SpongeBob.

 

[Lamperouge]

I say i'm at

Spoiler: Mid Game Light Spoiler

just shortly after Melia became the new empress & the attack on Prison Island just started.

wonder if I should continue in the story tho or do more sidequests....especially since there is so many to do...

I try to strike a nice balance between questing and story to prevent burnout, especially since a bunch of the side content starts to blend together after a while...

That being said, you might be able to start unlocking some extra skill trees depending on your current affinity in each area. I think you need a little over four stars in Colony 9 for one of them.

 

[Knight Dude]

You gotta understand that they were switching mediums. Most of those high production cartoons (especially MGM, which closed down in 1957 resulting in Hanna-Barbera's creation in the first place) were in theaters. You couldn't maintain that level of quality for television, especially before the advent of reruns.

Those shows may have aged badly, but it's better than what Clutch Cargo did...

I think that mouth movements were done that way since the dude who made it, had a daughter who couldn't hear, or couldn't speak. Can't remember exactly which of the two that was. It was supposed to make the mouths easier to read, more or less. Still, pretty awkward to look at, even with context.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I just found out that the first UPA Mr. Magoo short was not done in limited animation. You know, that horrible animation technique that they pioneered along with Hanna-Barbera and basically killed the golden age of animation?

What's that saying about Anikan and the Chosen one?

I also found out that UPA started using it as a stylistic choice, where as Hanna-Barbera used it as a cost-cutting measure which is why it spread to other studios. So IMO, UPA is off the hook. The moment Hanna-Barbera created it's first short is the moment the Golden Age was tragically murdered. So 1957.

Regardless of your thoughts on the company, I think that to say Hanna-Barbara singlehandedly killed the golden age of animation is a bit overkill. I actually enjoyed their stuff personally. The animation may have been cheaper, but the cartoons were entertaining nonetheless. Plus I think the animation style has some charm to it, in an odd way.

 

[Knight Dude]

As for 2D vs 3D. I definitely have a performance to 2D, same with how I like 16-bit and 32-bit games over N64/PS1. That **** ages waaaaay better. Granted 3D movies have improved dramatically and most look good. 2D shows are still better looking/less empty I feel tho. Granted there's not a ton of western cartoons at the moment that I'm feeling.

With games, Again, 16 and 32 bit stuff is the best. Look at my sig as an example. It's a cool way of interpreting hand-drawn art like Mark Bagley. I do have a soft spot for PS2/GCN era stuff. But in general, Cel-shaded games from those eras aged better than the realistic ones. Okami, Ultimate Spider-Man, DBZ Budokai 3 and Super DBZ ect.

EDIT: Not huge on HB's TV stuff of the 50's - 70's. But they kind of kept the industry going in the US when theatrical releases weren't as readily available. Still, they had their own Renaissance with their 90's output like Dexter's Lab, PPG and the other Cartoon Network originals.

Also, Anime and Cartoons are the same medium and so are Manga and Comics, Manga translates to Comic in Japanese. Thus, by technicality the Simpsons have always been anime.

Keep that third eye open, my ******.