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[Cosmic77]

Curious, why is it that Fire Emblem and Pokemon get a new rep every game but Zelda gets the shaft? Midna, Ghirahim, one of the champions, as cosmic77 mentioned, Skull kid or even Tingle would all be great additions.

Everyone has a different opinion, but I think unbelievably bad timing is a large reason why. Midna and the Champions were from games that were literally just a few months away from being considered during the roster selection. Impa and Ghirahim don't really have an excuse though, and Sakurai could've added either if he really wanted to.

But the longer Sakurai waits, the harder it'll be to add someone. That's why a Champion would've been great. All four had a really unique talent, they came from the best-selling game in the series, and they would've made it easier for future Zelda one-shots to be considered.

 

[Deleted member]

Popularity. That's why.

Isn't Zelda one of the most popular franchises of all time? Hell BOTW is still one of the best selling games on the Switch, and Ocarina of Time is still a game heavily played even to this day, despite it's age.

 

[Deleted member]

Curious, why is it that Fire Emblem and Pokemon get a new rep every game but Zelda gets the shaft? Midna, Ghirahim, one of the champions, as cosmic77 mentioned, Skull kid or even Tingle would all be great additions.

Because most Zelda characters outside the main trio are there for one game and are never seen again. The only exceptions are Beedle, who probably wouldn't work as a fighter, Tingle, who is a divisive character to begin with, and Impa, whose depiction varies wildly with each game she's in.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

You’re saying Zelda isn’t popular?

No but seems compared to Pokemon and Fire Emblem its not as popular. No doubt though its one of Nintendo's most popular and recognizable IPs alongside Mario and Kirby and those two.

 

[Lamperouge]

Maybe. Just depends how far back they're going. Will they start at the Switch's release and go forward, or are they only looking at games from 2019 onward?

Well, a new Xenoblade rep could still work since Definitive Edition is slated for next year. Rex is from a different game in the series, sure, but his inclusion could still be used as decent promotion for the upcoming title. He came pretty close to making the cut but lost due to time, yet I still think he has a shot due to XC2's popularity and Sakurai's personal statements about the game.

Just let me dream dammit

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Because most Zelda characters outside the main trio are there for one game and are never seen again. The only exceptions are Beedle, who probably wouldn't work as a fighter, Tingle, who is a divisive character to begin with, and Impa, whose depiction varies wildly with each game she's in.

Yeah but Fire Emblem also doesn’t have have recurring characters, with characters showing up in two or three games at most, yet it gets one-off reps from popular games.

 

[Deleted member]

No but seems compared to Pokemon and Fire Emblem its not as popular. No doubt though its one of Nintendo's most popular and recognizable IPs alongside Mario and Kirby and those two.

Really? I can see Pokemon being more popular, but Fire Emblem only recently exploded in popularity via Three Houses. Especially considering the previous games sold pretty poorly and were very controversial(Female Corrin flashbacks)

 

[Cosmic77]

Because most Zelda characters outside the main trio are there for one game and are never seen again. The only exceptions are Beedle, who probably wouldn't work as a fighter, Tingle, who is a divisive character to begin with, and Impa, whose depiction varies wildly with each game she's in.

I don't think being a one-shot has ever really mattered to Sakurai. He should know by now that he's always taking a gamble of creating the next Jigglypuff with Pokemon and FE characters if his choice doesn't hit it off with the fans of either Smash or their respective franchises.

Again, bad timing is probably the biggest factor. It also doesn't help that the Zelda fanbase has not once in nearly a decade and a half come together to channel their support for a single rep.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Pokemon is a juggernaut of a franchise that literally cannot fail to the point that despite the harsh reactions to E3, SwoShi will still sell like 15 million copies because it's goddamn Pokemon.

Fire Emblem honestly kept getting lucky, Roy was added as a clone as it was quick, Ike was added because Sakurai wanted a heavy swordie, Robin ALMOST didn't make the cut, Lucina was initially planned as merely an alt, Corrin was due to the dev team convincing Sakurai they'd be fun and Chrom already had assets meaning he'd take like 10 minutes to make.

Zelda meanwhile has all the main characters and Sakurai doesn't really seem to want one off characters when there's mainstays and the few mainstays Zelda has are either hated by a large portion of the fanbase or have inconsistent portrayals

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah but Fire Emblem also doesn’t have have recurring characters, with characters showing up in two or three games at most, yet it gets one-off reps from popular games.

I'm just trying to think of some reason and it's basically the only one I can think of. I would love to have Ghirahim or Midna or Skull Kid but at this point I think we might just have to settle for Link, Ganon, Zelda and Shiek.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Curious, why is it that Fire Emblem and Pokemon get a new rep every game but Zelda gets the shaft? Midna, Ghirahim, one of the champions, as cosmic77 mentioned, Skull kid or even Tingle would all be great additions.

I feel like FE and Pokemon get a leg up thanks to their constant additions of characters in each series installment

For Fire Emblem it's kinda along the lines of something like Final Fantasy. Each game usually has a brand a new story to tell with new characters an locations with no real connections to previous installments, while still keeping the same gameplay and mechanics the series is known for.

As for Pokemon, 70+new creatures get added every generation, so why not? Oh, and we're talking about the biggest media franchise in the world.

Zelda on the other other hand is pretty consistent. With each game release you've usually just got Link, Zelda and Ganon with maybe an extra one off or two.

Tbh, I just think Sakurai sees the Triforce wielders alone as more than enough to represent the series as whole. And tbh I don't think he's too wrong in that assumption

 

[Deleted member]

It also doesn't help that the Zelda fanbase has not once in nearly a decade and a half come together to channel their support for a single rep.

3 words:

MONK MAZ KOSHIA

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

No but seems compared to Pokemon and Fire Emblem its not as popular. No doubt though its one of Nintendo's most popular and recognizable IPs alongside Mario and Kirby and those two.

Zelda is one of Nintendo’s flagship franchises. I have no idea what you are talking about, honestly.

 

[DerpingPikachu]

The thing that bothers me most is that just about every heavily requested Zelda character has been turned to an assist now. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t have gotten Ghirahim or Skull kid in smash 4 days when both of their games were relevant. Just seems like wasted potential imo.

 

[Lamperouge]

3 words:

MONK MAZ KOSHIA

I'll do you one better:

KING HARKINIAN

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Zelda is one of Nintendo’s flagship franchises. I have no idea what you are talking about, honestly.

Id argure that FE is, if not close to being, a flagship franchise now

 

[Deleted member]

I'll do you one better:

KING HARKINIAN

I've literally never heard of that character LMAO


Wait he's from the ****ty Zelda games that makes it even funnier lmao

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The thing that bothers me most is that just about every heavily requested Zelda character has been turned to an assist now. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t have gotten Ghirahim or Skull kid in smash 4 days when both of their games were relevant. Just seems like wasted potential imo.

Was MM3D even announced when Smash 4 came out? Genuine question as I don't remember.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Skull kid in smash 4 days when both of their games were relevant.

Majora's Mask 3D came too late to consider Skull Kid for the base roster. However, since "Toon Sheik" could've been her, combined with the release of Wind Waker HD, I don't see why Tetra wasn't considered.

 

[Deleted member]

"Toon Sheik" .

DID SOME EARTH BASED LIFEFORM UTTER THE WORD... TOOOOOON???!

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Id argure that FE is, if not close to being, a flagship franchise now

I never said FE wasn’t. I agree, actually.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

While I don't think anyone can say for certain, I think most of the characters that folks ask for are not only one-offs, but they're one offs and aren't the main character of the game they're in.

It isn't necessarily a concrete reason for a character in Fire Emblem to get in over a character from Zelda, but then again I think there are more factors than "What's new and exciting" and being from a "Top 3 Nintendo series".

Now that I think about it, I just don't think a Zelda character really fit into the project plan. When you think about the newcomer lineup, you've got Ridley and K.Rool, two of the most requested characters ever, Isabelle, a popular character from a series with only one pick, the usual Pokepick, Castlevania (a classic gaming series with requests and legacy tied to it) and the obvious Inklings. Then you have echoes who were popular picks based on fan requests from the ballot.

There really wasn't room for any other picks to slide into the base roster, simply based on what the goals were. I do also have to wonder if Sakurai just has a specific mindset when it comes to those characters anyway, similar to "I avoid series that don't have a future". Maybe he views certain characters the same way?

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

This Superstar Saga art is so ****ing sick.

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That was one of my childhood games <3 Replayed the crap outta that. Love it.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I never said FE wasn’t. I agree, actually.

Oop welp, that went smoothly lol

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Oop welp, that went smoothly lol

It’s fine. No worries.

 

[Cosmic77]

While I don't think anyone can say for certain, I think most of the characters that folks ask for are not only one-offs, but they're one offs and aren't the main character of the game they're in.

It isn't necessarily a concrete reason for a character in Fire Emblem to get in over a character from Zelda, but then again I think there are more factors than "What's new and exciting" and being from a "Top 3 Nintendo series".

Now that I think about it, I just don't think a Zelda character really fit into the project plan. When you think about the newcomer lineup, you've got Ridley and K.Rool, two of the most requested characters ever, Isabelle, a popular character from a series with only one pick, the usual Pokepick, Castlevania (a classic gaming series with requests and legacy tied to it) and the obvious Inklings. Then you have echoes who were popular picks based on fan requests from the ballot.

There really wasn't room for any other picks to slide into the base roster, simply based on what the goals were. I do also have to wonder if Sakurai just has a specific mindset when it comes to those characters anyway, similar to "I avoid series that don't have a future". Maybe he views certain characters the same way?

If being a main character is a requirement, then Sakurai should just come out and say he's never adding another Zelda character.

Regardless, I don't think this is how he feels. Rosalina was five years old and had only appeared in four games when he had decided to add her in Smash (Galaxy games, MKWii, and WK7), and she got in before characters who had existed two, three, even four times as long as her.

Above all, I think moveset potential is what attracts Sakurai the most. If the timing was right, I think we probably would've gotten Midna and a Champion in Brawl and Ultimate respectively.

 

[Deleted member]

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Today is the 130th Anniversary of Nintendo! LET'S CELEBRATE, EVERYONE!

except SnakeFighter64 obviously. You don't have to

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

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Today is the 130th Anniversary of Nintendo! LET'S CELEBRATE, EVERYONE!

except SnakeFighter64 obviously. You don't have to

Is there a reason why Pokemon is placed in 1999 despite it actually releasing in 1996/(1998 for the west)?

EDIT: Okay, I guess you couldn't place it in 96 or 98 due to the N64 or Gameboy Color respectively, and I guess '99 was when Pokemania was at it's prime, but still.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If being a main character is a requirement, then Sakurai should just come out and say he's never adding another Zelda character.

Regardless, I don't think this is how he feels. Rosalina was five years old and had only appeared in four games when he had decided to add her in Smash (Galaxy games, MKWii, and WK7), and she got in before characters who had existed two, three, even four times as long as her.

Above all, I think moveset potential is what attracts Sakurai the most. If the timing was right, I think we probably would've gotten Midna and a Champion in Brawl and Ultimate respectively.

True, however I think that really just reflects that Sakurai considers more than any single bit of criteria for any given character. Sure, he could have added Waluigi or another Mario character, but Rosalina brings something that no other Nintendo character could at the time: being a puppet character. Similar to Ike, Sakurai was looking for a particular character archetype. It's clear no other character, at the time, could properly fit that mold.

Granted, Midna and the Champions could very easily have great potential. But I think what stops Sakurai from adding them is that, unlike Rosalina, their longevity is on a timer. They might be classic, likable characters down the line like Ghirahim, Midna, and Skull Kid have become, but they don't have that same presence Rosalina would end up having in Mario games. That presence being, in literally every spin-off from that point forward.

Do I think it's a good reason? Eh, kinda-sorta-not entirely. I think a character like Urbosa would be pretty cool, especially because I like the designs of the Champions. However, even as a Zelda fan, it doesn't bother me that they didn't get more characters. I'm more than ecstatic, personally, that they revamped each of the characters to an extent and added some of the amazing music from BOTW, and the complete and utter memery that is the Moon.

Obviously my tastes don't mirror that of all Zelda fans, but the fact that any of the trio are actually potentially good had me ecstatic from the beginning.

 

[Deleted member]

Is there a reason why Pokemon is placed in 1999 despite it actually releasing in 1996/(1998 for the west)?

I mean I guess that was when Pokemania was at it's prime, but still.

Pretty sure you read it Manga style, according to the OP of this banner.

Might be wrong thou
(the above is incorrect)

Edit: the original is a interactive banner. Link here: https://public.tableau.com/profile/luisa6565#!/vizhome/Nintendo130thAnniversary/Nintendo

 

[TheMightyP]

Tbh, a lot of Zelda characters become old news when a new Smash cycle hits. Like, with Smash 4, Twilight Princess was old news, and Skyword Sword was... mixed, and everyone already had their sights set on Zelda U and hope for a Majora's Mask remake. By Smash Ultimate, ot was BoTW, but that took much longer than anyone expected, as was just too late for Ultimate.

Tbh, Sheik got lucky that Melee was one of the first games on the GameCube, and OoT was still relevant.

 

[Noipoi]

Childish Goombino

 

[Rangez]

So I've been traversing through Twitter to find a certain post only to learn about:

1# - This amazing little fun fact about Banjo's Rapid Jab:

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2# - I really want to try out JP Domino's pizza based on this:

Spoiler: Pizza Pizza

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3# - The likes of Simon, Pyramid Head, Snake, and even Sparkster from Rocket Knight Adventures were playable characters in a entry of a long-running Olympic Games sports series made by Konami:

Spoiler: Simon & Snake at the Olympic Games

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[Wario Bros.]

I've realized next week will be the TWO YEAR mark since Nintendo announced that the ARMS graphic novel was in production and we still know jack **** about its status.

What the hell is going on in the background???

 

[Idon]

I've realized next week will be the TWO YEAR mark since Nintendo announced that the ARMS graphic novel was in production and we still know jack **** about its status.

What the hell is going on in the background???

With how long it's taking, probably nothing.

 

[Deleted member]

I've realized next week will be the TWO YEAR mark since Nintendo announced that the ARMS graphic novel was in production and we still know jack **** about its status.

What the hell is going on in the background???

wait wtf. ARMS is getting a manga too imo?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

So I've been traversing through Twitter to find a certain post only to learn about:

1# - This amazing little fun fact about Banjo's Rapid Jab:

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2# - I really want to try out JP Domino's pizza based on this:

Spoiler: Pizza Pizza

There was a problem fetching the tweet

3# - The likes of Simon, Pyramid Head, Snake, and even Sparkster from Rocket Knight Adventures were playable characters in a entry of a long-running Olympic Games sports series made by Konami:

Spoiler: Simon & Snake at the Olympic Games

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Literally just about to come here and post the exact same thing.

 

[Wario Bros.]

wait wtf. ARMS is getting a manga too imo?

Actually, the manga came out last year.

I got it even though I don't know a lick of Japanese.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyway here's a list of things that happened before Zelda got another character;

• 2 new Smash games are released, 3 counting the Wii U and 3DS versions of 4 as separate games
• Mario and Fire Emblem receive 4 new characters
• Donkey Kong, Metroid, Pokemon and Kid Icarus receive 2 new characters
• Animal Crossing, Mega Man, Wii Fit, Punch-Out, Pac-Man, Xenoblade, Duck Hunt, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Bayonetta, Splatoon, Castlevania, Persona, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie and Fatal Fury/King of Fighters all receive playable representation
• Shovel Knight and Undertale receive significant representation in an Assist Trophy and a Mii Costume/Song, respectively
• Snake, Pichu, Young Link, Wolf, Roy, Dr. Mario, Mewtwo and Ice Climbers return

Pretty sure if we were gonna get a new character it would've happened already, so I'm not gonna hold my breath.

I've realized next week will be the TWO YEAR mark since Nintendo announced that the ARMS graphic novel was in production and we still know jack **** about its status.

What the hell is going on in the background???

I'm betting it probably got shelved for lack of interest. Sucks because the characters and world are really cool but it probably didn't take off as well as they hoped.

 

[Deleted member]

Actually, the manga came out last year.

I got it even though I don't know a lick of Japanese.

That makes it even worse imo. Why not just translate the damn thing, like they did with Splatoon? Like, it wouldn't require as much effort as MAKING ANOTHER DAMN COMIC.