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[Michael the Spikester]

I also think Doom has mechanics that can easily be toned down for Smash. It is not at Mortal Kombat level.

Also.

"DOOM IS TOO VIOLENT FOR SMASH!!!!"

*Cough*



*Cough*

Also Injustice managed to make Scorpion, Raiden and Sub-Zero work toning them down. Pretty certain the same can apply here.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Maybe but it ends in nite not ed so it may be different. Perhaps a competitor to the former?

That’s its Japanese name; ‘s Japanese name translates to “duck onion” or something like that.

Imo it’s either a Farfetch’d evolution or a green Cubone with a lance.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

I think Rhona Rees would work better as Alphys
Or maybe I just have bias
great choice for Papyrus tho

I have no clue who Rhona Rees is.

And thanks.

 

[Deleted member]

I have no clue who Rhona Rees is.

And thanks.

Rhona Rees plays Bev on the 2018 LPS TV Show
I just feel like her voice could be good for Alphys

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

Rhona Rees plays Bev on the 2018 LPS TV Show
I just feel like her voice could be good for Alphys

I figured it would be something like that lol

 

[DerpingPikachu]

Happy Friday the 13th! Best to stay indoors and hide from all the bad luck!

No joke my posts were at 666 when I logged on this morning. Should I be worried?

 

[drag0nscythe]

Read KHIII as KHill and was wondering what the **** King of the Hill had to do with anything


Genuine video game characters being called a meme pick has to stop.

Phoenix Wright, Doomguy, Waluigi, Sans, and whatever have been called meme picks by different people here when none of them are. Sans and Waluigi do get a lot of memes for their person, but that comes from a good place rather than ironic interest.

Doomguy is mentioned because people have more reason to believe he has a shot now compared to past games, and nearly every Doom game in existence being on Switch adds to his visibility.

I also think Doom has mechanics that can easily be toned down for Smash. It is not at Mortal Kombat level.

Sans is a meme.
Doom is doom. Not chex quest. It is about ripping monsters in half, shooting things till they explode and going to hell to fight monsters. It is rated m for a reason. Toning it down makes it not doom.
Waluigi is a meme.

No joke my posts were at 666 when I logged on this morning. Should I be worried?

No.

 

[Opossum]

I'm in 10th Grade

Okay no offense but what 10th grade English class would have Warrior Cats in the curriculum?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Doom is doom. Not chex quest. It is about ripping monsters in half, shooting things till they explode and going to hell to fight monsters. It is rated m for a reason. Toning it down makes it not doom.

Same can be said for Mortal Kombat. Blood and gore is what makes Mortal Kombat Mortal Kombat. There's also a reason it kickstarted the ESRB into existence.

Yet look at Injustice. That managed to tone Scorpion, Raiden and Sub-Zero down.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Imagine yourself and plenty of other people loving a character with or without memes, and someone who doesn’t like the character shoving “lol shut up they’re just a meme pick” down your throat.

 

[Opossum]

Sans is a meme.
Doom is doom. Not chex quest. It is about ripping monsters in half, shooting things till they explode and going to hell to fight monsters. It is rated m for a reason. Toning it down makes it not doom.
Waluigi is a meme.



No.

"If I don't like it it's a meme."

 

[Deleted member]

Okay no offense but what 10th grade English class would have Warrior Cats in the curriculum?

It was for an example she was doing with how Punctuation works

 

[Deleted member]

Sans is a meme.
Doom is doom. Not chex quest. It is about ripping monsters in half, shooting things till they explode and going to hell to fight monsters. It is rated m for a reason. Toning it down makes it not doom.
Waluigi is a meme.



No.

OG Doom is pretty tame by today's standards and Bayonetta is more brutal than that. I think he is far from being a lock despite the fanbase, but wouldn't be surprising to see him appear either.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Hey anyone rememberdown B Skewer? An attack that despite not showing any blood and guts still seems brutally violent.

And lets also not get down to the Metroid manga. Oh boy...If Metroid wasn't Nintendo it'd be rated M for sure.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Ridley's trailer literally had him killing Mario and Mega Man as they accompanied Samus and his Skewer is literally that damaging because it's supposed to be a representation of his harsh brutality and how he guts his prey/victims.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So with all this said why is this "Doom is too violent for Smash" an argument again?

Ridley's trailer literally had him killing Mario and Mega Man as they accompanied Samus and his Skewer is literally that damaging because it's supposed to be a representation of his harsh brutality and how he guts his prey/victims.

You know Ridley snapping Mario's neck. Ridley impaling Mega Man.

Totes not too violent right?

 

[drag0nscythe]

Imagine yourself and plenty of other people loving a character with or without memes, and someone who doesn’t like the character shoving “lol shut up they’re just a meme pick” down your throat.

I looked at injustice. It was not toned down to smash levels. Remember superman nucked lois lane.

"If I don't like it it's a meme."

Call it as i see it.

OG Doom is pretty tame by today's standards and Bayonetta is more brutal than that. I think he is far from being a lock despite the fanbase, but wouldn't be surprising to see him appear either.

Og doom is great. But still not nintendo tame.

Ridley's trailer literally had him killing Mario and Mega Man as they accompanied Samus and his Skewer is literally that damaging because it's supposed to be a representation of his harsh brutality and how he guts his prey/victims.

Ridley was called out on this, and is the only one with a painful looking move. It also looks very cartoonish. He is a giant purple dragon. Not a gun toating nut or a human fire demon.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Yeah, because Doomguy punching the **** out of people and shooting them with various sorts or military-grade projectiles totally can't be done when Snake and Joker already exist and set a precedent for guns and the like in Smash.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Are my posts ghosts or something?

 

[drag0nscythe]

So with all this said why is this "Doom is too violent for Smash" an argument again?

You know Ridley snapping Mario's neck. Ridley impaling Mega Man.

Totes not too violent right?

It was stylized in the monochromatic colors. It is a far cry from doom though, which had always been in your face.

Yeah, because Doomguy punching the **** out of people and shooting them with various sorts or military-grade projectiles totally can't be done when Snake and Joker already exist and set a precedent for guns and the like in Smash.

Snake did not have his gun in brawl for a reason. It was a big deal in brawl. Joker works on bayo logic. There is a big difference in how the guns are handled. Bfg is a thing for a reason. We going to have mario ripped inside our due to being shot by it?

I want to see him brutally rip out samus spine. Just imagine the chant.

 

[Opossum]

I looked at injustice. It was not toned down to smash levels. Remember superman nucked lois lane.



Call it as i see it.



Og doom is great. But still not nintendo tame.



Ridley was called out on this, and is the only one with a painful looking move. It also looks very cartoonish. He is a giant purple dragon. Not a gun toating nut or a human fire demon.

If you call it as you see it you may need glasses, dude. Sans wouldn't have gotten the reaction he did if he were "just a meme."

Don't gatekeep.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I looked at injustice. It was not toned down to smash levels. Remember superman nucked lois lane.

So...Why are the games Rated T then in that case? Hmmm?

If DC is as violent and gritty as it is in the comics why is it also MK vs. DC Universe was Rated T as well and not M?

 

[drag0nscythe]

If you call it as you see it you may need glasses, dude. Sans wouldn't have gotten the reaction he did if he were "just a meme."

Don't gatekeep.

He got that reaction because he is a meme. That is exactly how meme reactions are.

So...Why are the games Rated T then in that case? Hmmm?

If DC is as violent and gritty as it is in the comics why is it also MK vs. DC Universe was Rated T as well and not M?

You do know mk vs dc was panned for toning down the violence. It was called not mk for a reason. People considered it the worst in the series.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Also, don't even talk about "Nintendo tame" as if they're some spotless and innocent company with no mature franchises.

Why even argue that when Nintendo themselves are supporting these violent and brutal games on their console, anyways?

Maybe you're looking for "Too violent for Smash" but like, you can easily not have blood spurting from the wounds of characters who get shot. The only argument there was against Doomguy or Master Chief was the fact that actual guns weren't really present in Smash but now there are some, so nothing is stopping them.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I much look forward to Sakurai yet again breaking another so called fan rule when and if Doom Slayer gets added.

Man the reactions. Beauty to my eyes it'll be.

 

[Deleted member]

I can't wait for people who are so sure about Doomguy to be humbled when Crash gets revealed

 

[drag0nscythe]

Also, don't even talk about "Nintendo tame" as if they're some spotless and innocent company with no mature franchises.

Why even argue that when Nintendo themselves are supporting these violent and brutal games on their console, anyways?

Maybe you're looking for "Too violent for Smash" but like, you can easily not have blood spurting from the wounds of characters who get shot. The only argument there was against Doomguy or Master Chief was the fact that actual guns weren't really present in Smash but now there are some, so nothing is stopping them.

Misdirection. Nintendo can have violent games. But style plays a role. A violent game can be very graphic, but styled to lower the blow. Mk and doom go for realism. Nintendo, often does not.

 

[Schnee117]

TIL that genuine hype and excitement is a meme

 

[Michael the Spikester]

TOTES

NOT

TOO

VIOLENT

FOR

SMASH

Right?

Also reminder. Scorpion, Raiden and Sub-Zero in Injustice, a T rated game and not M rated.

 

[drag0nscythe]

TIL that genuine hype and excitement is a meme

A meme will bread excitement. That is what happens. Genuine is hard to define. Undertale is rather meh of a game. He is a meme and always has beem given how his character is used and portrayed by the masses. (Which is treated as a meme)

He is like goku or spongebob, but from a game so nothing was stopping him.

TOTES

NOT

TOO

VIOLENT

FOR

SMASH

Right?

Also reminder. Scorpion, Raiden and Sub-Zero in Injustice, a T rated game and not M rated.

Bayo is violent, but very cartoony.
Ridley acts violent, but nothing is ever seen in game.
Castlevania was never gorey.
Snake did not have his gun and the game was very goofy.

Mk is not goofy. Neither is doom.

Scorpion forward b. Impale people and pull their bodies around the stage.
Down smash, pretend to rip out their spine.
Final smash, set them on fire. Or friendship

 

[Opossum]

A meme will bread excitement. That is what happens. Genuine is hard to define. Undertale is rather meh of a game. He is a meme and always has beem given how his character is used and portrayed by the masses. (Which is treated as a meme)

He is like goku or spongebob, but from a game so nothing was stopping him.



Bayo is violent, but very cartoony.
Ridley acts violent, but nothing is ever seen in game.
Castlevania was never gorey.
Snake did not have his gun and the game was very goofy.

Mk is not goofy. Neither is doom.

So Ridley was a meme because of the size thing. Got it.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Are my posts ghosts or something?

sorry I think my exorcism went too strong

 

[drag0nscythe]

So Ridley was a meme because of the size thing. Got it.

20 years is a long time. And this is not about Ridley. It is about a meme.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Are my posts ghosts or something?

It happens from time to time. I call it “phantom blocking”. Eventually you’ll say something that people will wanna listen to again.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don’t buy the whole “They’re too violent for Smash”, when literally Bayonetta grinds angels up into a bloody pulp, Snake snaps necks and shoots people, etc.

I personally don’t think MK characters will happen. It’s not that they can’t, I just don’t think they will.

The logic of Joker using a “fake gun” kinda falls apart when you realize that the average consumer will look at the move called “Gun” as a move in which the character fires a weapon that looks like an actual gun. It’s a gun.

Like, will there be blood and gore in Smash. Uh, no. That’s not happening. That’s not the style. But series hat have violence in them that currently aren’t in Smash (DOOM, Resident Evil, etc) will be fine. Saying at this point that characters who use guns are disqualified when we literally have characters who use guns in Smash, I think it’s silly.

This isn’t even acknowledging the fact that Snake still uses realistic explosives like RPGs and grenades. Sure, the difference is explosive vs. firearm...but I personally think that’s pretty weak justification, even by Sakurai.

Basically, I just don’t see Sakurai holding back on DOOM or RE just because, “they use a gun”.

 

[Opossum]

20 years is a long time. And this is not about Ridley. It is about a meme.

But according to you, if a character is presented in any way memetically, it's a meme and the reactions mean nothing. Ridley "Hits the Big Time" and the "Not Too Big" chants at Nintendo NY prove, then, that he was a meme too.


See how dumb that sounds?

 

[Schnee117]

Undertale is rather meh of a game

This has no bearing on anything

Mk is not goofy. Neither is doom.

You can just admit you have no clue what you're on about.

So Ridley was a meme because of the size thing. Got it.

Cloud's a meme because "lol he'll never get in"
Joker's a meme because "we'll never see it coming lol"

 

[SnakeFighter64]

20 years is a long time. And this is not about Ridley. It is about a meme.

Yikes.

Is this how it feels when I fly off the Handel?

 

[Opossum]

Yikes.

Is this how it feels when I fly off the Handel?

It doesn't matter if you fly off the Handel as long as you come Bach.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

You're arguing semantics at this point.

Like I said, who's to say Doomguy can't fit in with the "cartoon violence" of the gang? He doesn't need to be ripping people's ****ing spines out or riddling them with bullet holes when existing guns already don't do so. A more powerful gun? More knockback to it and higher damage like Samus's charge shot.

You're not exactly providing any sound reasons why Doomguy can't be in Smash, but more so making up your own set of specifications based on your own beliefs. You seem to believe this gratuitous violence that happens ib Doom can't translate into Smash when all Doomguy does is shoot things, which we already have plenty characters who do so, and then he physically punches them or rips them apart, but these can easily be toned down and represented in other ways like Snake"s grab where he could just pick someone up and deck them across the stage with a devastating punch or slam them into tje ground and bury them or something.

It's... really not that hard