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But really, the Mewtwo vs. Lucario debates have always been a load of bull****.

Lucario never replaced Mewtwo in Brawl, nor he was meant to be a spiritual successor to him. On the contrary, they were both meant to be in Brawl.

Thankfully, the nonsense is finally over now that both are in Smash 4.
 
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Mewtwo hype is annoying.
Most iconic Pokémon are like, what? Pika, Lucario, Mewtwo, Zard and? Jigglypuff?
inb4 I want Jigglypuff cut because it's no longer revelant!!!

uh, no? wtf is that monster anyway
Yeah, yeah, people were wanting it to be cut. It's back once again and they still complain.
 

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If I were in charge of the Pokémon IP, I'd push all things Raichu to the limit. As a means of payback, Pichu would become irrelevant. Who agrees?
But Raichus were born as Pichus.

If people don't believe in Pichu, Raichus will cease to exist.
 

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Language at the end of the video, but the last match is hilarious. Never mess with the king, baby. :p
 

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But really, the Mewtwo vs. Lucario debates have always been a load of bull****.

Lucario never replaced Mewtwo in Brawl, nor he was meant to be a spiritual successor to him. On the contrary, they were both meant to be in Brawl.

Thankfully, the nonsense is finally over now that both are in Smash 4.
I don't know for you, but I still find weird for Lucario to still be here.
He had one movie, sure, but after that, he was pretty minor in the series. He had a mega-evolution, some little arcs in the anime (mostly XY with the murderous M-Lucario), but appart from that, nobody really remembers Lucario.

Mewtwo had 3 movies, 2 mega-evolutions, multipile important appearences in the anime, and was overall the most wanted character for Smash. I don't know for you, but it's really not comparable, Mewtwo has more to go with than Lucario.

Lucario is just like Greninja : the milked Pokemon to promote one generation. He's great and all, but pretty overated. Jigglypuff's place was safe to begin with : popular from the anime, here from the beginning and still somehow relevant to the Pokemon world for a lot of outsiders. But Lucario ? Not so sure about that.

But anyway, at least Smash 4 will close this debate once and for all.
Now all we need is Roy, Wolf and Lucas (and the Ice Climbers) to come back and then we'll have even more peace. Too bad Ridley is too big to enter and stop those debates about him though.
 

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Whats with this overrated talk? If something is popular its popular because people like it.
 

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Whats with this overrated talk? If something is popular its popular because people like it.
Just because something is popular doesn't necessarily mean it's quality.

That depends on the context, though. Regarding Pokemon, it doesn't really matter on who's the most popular Pokemon when they don't exist in the first place.
 

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Whats with this overrated talk? If something is popular its popular because people like it.
Well, maybe, but sometimes it's for the wrong reasons. And I still think Lucario doesn't have anything big compared to Mewtwo. As well as Lucario being put in the spotlight prematuraly just to make him more popular, like Greninja and Pichu (Pichu had only one series for himself, come on !).

Just because something is popular doesn't necessarily mean it's quality.

That depends on the context, though. Regarding Pokemon, it doesn't really matter on who's the most popular Pokemon when they don't exist in the first place.
I think I saw a list of the most favorite Pokemons of all time. Nostalgia won with Charizard.
Good example of something that IS overrated.
 

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I don't know for you, but I still find weird for Lucario to still be here.
He had one movie, sure, but after that, he was pretty minor in the series. He had a mega-evolution, some little arcs in the anime (mostly XY with the murderous M-Lucario), but appart from that, nobody really remembers Lucario.
Uh, what? He got a Mega Evolution, an arc in the game introducing that mechanic (which very few non-Legendaries get), the marketing boy for Pokken, an important role in many spinoffs, among other things. How is that minor? Even ignoring that, how many Pokémon even come close to matching that?

Also, the fact that he remains popular far past his generation and is very popular even outside Kanto kind of shows that people not remembering him isn't true at all.

Mewtwo had 3 movies, 2 mega-evolutions, multipile important appearences in the anime, and was overall the most wanted character for Smash. I don't know for you, but it's really not comparable, Mewtwo has more to go with than Lucario.
Actually, Mewtwo only had the movies as appearances in the anime unless you count the 5 second cameo in Kanto. Anyway, even though no one will argue Mewtwo isn't important to the franchise, you're severely downplaying Lucario if you think he isn't either.

Lucario is just like Greninja : the milked Pokemon to promote one generation. He's great and all, but pretty overated. Jigglypuff's place was safe to begin with : popular from the anime, here from the beginning and still somehow relevant to the Pokemon world for a lot of outsiders. But Lucario ? Not so sure about that.
I'd contest that many outsiders don't recognize him. Granted, I won't argue he's more well known then Pikachu or Charizard, but considering how well he does do in the popularity polls, he definitely has at least some influence outside of the franchise.

As for Greninja, surprisingly enough, he's not really that "milked" in the franchise, at least not yet. The only thing he got that the other starters didn't get is Smash, which as far as well can tell, he was chosen on Sakurai's whim. He hasn't made many appearances in the anime ahead of the others, and merchandising-wise, he's still tied with them.

Granted, that can change (and probably will), but he's not the most marketed at this point.
 
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Lucario is among the most unique characters in Smash anyway, so there's no good reason to cut him.

A lot of characters in Smash have become less relevant over the years, yet they're still in. Why? Because they're fun characters to play as. They're unique.

Thankfully, Sakurai doesn't have the mentality of "cut because it's a irrelevant character". The only reasons for cuts thus far in the series was due to time constraints or technical limitations, both legitimate reasons to cut content, unfortunate as they may be.
 

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Lucario has yet to reach Mewtwo's level, but that doesn't mean he hasn't done anything of note.
It is extremely rare for a pokémon to keep being relevant in promotions for three generations in a row. Not even Mewtwo has done that.

Lucario is easily among the top 5 most visible pokémon yet, along with Pikachu, Mewtwo, Meowth, and Charizard.

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Uh, what? He got a Mega Evolution, an arc in the game introducing that mechanic (which very few non-Legendaries get), the marketing boy for Pokken, an important role in many spinoffs, among other things. How is that minor? Even ignoring that, how many Pokémon even come close to matching that?

Also, the fact that he remains popular far past his generation and is very popular even outside Kanto kind of shows that people not remembering him isn't true at all.

Actually, Mewtwo only had the movies as appearances in the anime unless you count the 5 second cameo in Kanto. Anyway, even though no one will argue Mewtwo isn't important to the franchise, you're severely downplaying Lucario if you think he isn't either.

Greninja surprisingly isn't really getting "milked" that much. Aside from Smash (which as far as we can tell, was mostly on Sakurai), he hasn't gotten anything special that Delphox hasn't.

Anyway, they're not really similar at all, at least not at this point. Lucario has been promoted far past his generation and has remained "relevant" in the eyes of fans and the developers alike in terms of popularity and marketability. A lot of people recognize him now, maybe not to the extent of Pikachu or Charizard, but he's definitely one of the Pokémon that people would recognize outside of the generation.

In short, you're severely downplaying the good points of the character and how he has lasted for almost the past decade.
You know what, I'll say this : Lucario is promoted and milked just like Mewtwo was back in the day. But for a Pokemon that only has aura and lasers to gain popularity, it's not really great.

But if we look at it, sure, Mewtwo and Lucario are similar. Both are super overrated, have a lot of fans, gets a lot of attention and are known by many. I still think though that Lucario was more builded to BE popular more than Mewtwo in a way.

Mewtwo was the best Pokemon for a long time. It's the last guy you fight, the strongest Pokemon that was created by mistake (2powerful4science), the Pokemon you want when you're a kid because he's really cool, but also hard to find. That's where the movies helped Mewtwo growing in popularity, to show how cool this Pokemon was and how you needed him. But after a while, pretty much after Melee, Mewtwo was gone. He reapeared in the remakes, but appart from that, Mewtwo was not shown a lot.

Lucario is different : he's easy to find (literally gaved to you by the champion in D/P/P), needs love to evolve, shoots beams, has a super expensive movepool to expand dongs and minds of kids discovring him, had a great design, and was promoted through a movie. To this day, just like Mewtwo, Lucario is used as the "Toy who can make new kids buy our stuff", appearing in the anime multiple times, having a mega-evolution to introduce new gameplay mechanics and many other things like this.

That the thing I don't like with Lucario. While Mewtwo was indeed promoted like crazy and is still overrated to this day, he was at least rewarding. They just don't give it to you like a toy. Lucario is a Pokemon who was made to be popular from the beginning, with no reward except having a Pokemon who looks cool. Profitting of the same promoting campaign as Mewtwo, Lucario is now popular like Mewtwo, but in my eyes, in a disgusting way.

And now let's wait for the debate to continue...
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Pokemon roster talk, huh? While I hate roster talk, if I had to choose a Pokemon to get in, it would have been Meowth. I mean he's a talking cat who can use gadgets and drive some machines Team Rocket makes. He is also perhaps the first Pokemon that we saw that could talk. What more could you want? <3
Plus it woulda been nice to own Pika using Meowth after god knows how many times he gets beaten by him in the anime. I swear, almost every time Team Rocket's about to blast off, Pika uses T-bolt or w/e as the finisher throughout the 6 regions (even if he wasn't the one getting captured), and it would be nice for Meowth to get some payback for once. :(
 

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Christ, the stupidity is real with these feminists thinking they have the knowledge to analyze video games. Nintendo does something positive for National Women's Month with their characters yet one reporter for Hufingtonpost considers them terrible representations of females in real life. And now I'm starting to hate anyone like Anita and the other "bad feminists" these days. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexis-kleinman/nintendo-doesnt-understand-women_b_6893130.html
 

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This trailer is pretty much "Look, Goku gets f***** by Golden Frieza from Deviantart and Vegeta will probably save him due to his incompetence.".
 

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Christ, the stupidity is real with these feminists thinking they have the knowledge to analyze video games. Nintendo does something positive for National Women's Month with their characters yet one reporter for Hufingtonpost considers them terrible representations of females in real life. And now I'm starting to hate anyone like Anita and the other "bad feminists" these days. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexis-kleinman/nintendo-doesnt-understand-women_b_6893130.html
Only thing I can get is if Feminist complained about Edea in Bravely Default being 15 and Fiore DeRosa that prayed on her in order to see what he was doing with women was 38....which they didn't. They complained more about Ringebels attitude to the girls early in the game

If Edea was still 15 and he was 38, NoA would of NEVER let the game here since that is borderline ****...because he did sedate her with something
 
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Christ, the stupidity is real with these feminists thinking they have the knowledge to analyze video games. Nintendo does something positive for National Women's Month with their characters yet one reporter for Hufingtonpost considers them terrible representations of females in real life. And now I'm starting to hate anyone like Anita and the other "bad feminists" these days. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexis-kleinman/nintendo-doesnt-understand-women_b_6893130.html
I lost 2000 ******* brain cells from reading this. Extreme feminists are like anti-vaccination supporters, absolutely disgusting.
Should we show the writer Zelda and Peach kicking *** in Smash Bros? Maybe not, he'll complain about male characters fighting them in a FIGHTING GAME.
Ugh
 
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Christ, the stupidity is real with these feminists thinking they have the knowledge to analyze video games. Nintendo does something positive for National Women's Month with their characters yet one reporter for Hufingtonpost considers them terrible representations of females in real life. And now I'm starting to hate anyone like Anita and the other "bad feminists" these days. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexis-kleinman/nintendo-doesnt-understand-women_b_6893130.html
I can't believe this is a thing.
 

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I lost 2000 ******* brain cells from reading this. Extreme feminists are like anti-vaccination supporters, absolutely disgsting.
Should we show the writer Zelda and Peach kicking *** in Smash Bros? Maybe not, he'll complain about male characters fighting them in a FIGHTING GAME.
Ugh
Feminist have their heads to far into their own vagina to see the light
 

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I have to say, despite Lucario being in my 10 favourite Pokemon, he's meh at best for me in Smash, probably all due to the non-canon 'increasing power with damage' thing, one one hand I can see how it can relate to his aura, but I never truly loved the mechanic, yet the weird thing is I still enjoy playing as him from time-to-time. Apart from Smash, I've trained 3 Riolus to lvl 100 Lucarios since gen 4, loved using it in X, the 8th movie is my favourite because of it and I can almost 100% guarantee I'll be using him in Pokken, assuming it gets released over here. But yeah, cool Pokemon, my favourite from gen 4.
 

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Christ, the stupidity is real with these feminists thinking they have the knowledge to analyze video games. Nintendo does something positive for National Women's Month with their characters yet one reporter for Hufingtonpost considers them terrible representations of females in real life. And now I'm starting to hate anyone like Anita and the other "bad feminists" these days. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexis-kleinman/nintendo-doesnt-understand-women_b_6893130.html
*Reads article*

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I have to say, despite Lucario being in my 10 favourite Pokemon, he's meh at best for me in Smash, probably all due to the non-canon 'increasing power with damage' thing, one one hand I can see how it can relate to his aura, but I never truly loved the mechanic, yet the weird thing is I still enjoy playing as him from time-to-time. Apart from Smash, I've trained 3 Riolus to lvl 100 Lucarios since gen 4, loved using it in X, the 8th movie is my favourite because of it and I can almost 100% guarantee I'll be using him in Pokken, assuming it gets released over here. But yeah, cool Pokemon, my favourite from gen 4.
Whatever happend to liking ALL pokemon. Its like that idea died
Radical Feminism is quite a first world problem. :p

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Radical Feminism shouldn't even be part of the first world.
Radical Feminism is an other world problem
 
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