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So what's with all the Sonic haters?

Zakor1138

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Quite honesty, as long as Sonic doesn't talk, he won't be that bad. But if he sounds like he did in those awful cartoons, Sonic will have ruined Brawl.

I thought confirming Sonic was a strange idea. After the IGM prank, everyone would have flipped out (either from happiness or because they were so mad) when they unlocked Sonic without knowing he was in the game.

Just my opinion. Too late for that.
Its confirmed that Sonic will talk. From what I heard, the voice is not as bad as I thought. From the video Sonic was in, he sounds alot like Ryan Drummond. If its Jason Griffith, wow, he got good.
 

smash~bomber

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It's not that I hate him, it's just he's an annoying little hedgehog that runs fast. And he has a tv show that's for kids. He's dumb in other words, lol.
:/
Why i hate haters~(admit it, you are one)
i mean really, what kind of logic is that? i mean come on? a piece of crap suddenly flying around the room makes more sense than that!

Well, first of all, half the Sonic fanbase hates Sonic X as well. So don't lump everyone together there. (I didn't like it, personally.)

As for 'Just an annoying little hedgehog that runs fast. . .' Well, annoying is a matter of opinion. But he does a hell of a lot more than run fast. He can slice through steel with his quills, he fights like Bruce Lee stuck in fast-forward, he makes pressure differences, he defies gravity on a regular basis, his reflexes move faster than a time machine, he's been known to manipulate fire and darkness as well as wind. . .

Besides, even if his only skill was moving fast, so what? If you're imaginative enough, you can do pretty much anything by moving quickly. Hell, an object that vibrates quickly enough can move through solid matter. And momentum is Mass multiplied by Velocity, so speed is the dominant factor in doing physcial damage for any object (Why do you think bullets hurt?). So there's nothing wrong with being 'just' a fast little hedgehog.

Not that dumb at all, really.
so effing true... so effing true...
speed is the most important factor, as stated by dragon breath!
and yes, that formula is correct! momentum is mass times velocity. which means more speed, more hurt. and yes, bullets do hurt for the exact same reason!

I once had a quote in my sig that said "All people who don't want Sonic in Brawl are people who still get nightmares from the Segtendo War and are too full of themselves to say Sonic will Kick *** in Brawl.But maybe I should have said the 3D sonic game haters. Most of them didn't want Sonic in because Sonic's games were not doing so well. Which you should say: "Would you have wanted Sonic if those 3D games were actually good?" that statement alone can seperate the true haters from the hurt fans.
exactly! sure you haters say that you hate him now! but what IF his 3d games were better? im pretty sure you'd like him alot more than you do now! (dont deny it, you now its true, admit it or not!)

He has speed? Okay. Does he have STRENGTH? An AERIAL GAME? A trustworthy PROJECTILE DEFENSE???

Okay, look:

1. He has no projectile. Simple.

2. He has a bad (Compared to other's) recovery move and aerial game.

3. He is SO fast, he's almost uncontrollable. It will take a great deal of skill to master him.
speed makes more ouch, don't you know any physics? the faster an object moves, the more force it has when it hits a body.

and:

1.so what? marth captain roy ganon, no projectiles there~ and yet whats this? people are pooning with them as we speak you say? yes, i already knew that. why? 'cause it's so effing true~

2.oh really? you so sure? you played the final released version of the game yet? then please use your time machine to get all of us a copy from the future and prove it to us!
i mean, from all the videos, those are just beta's, not the final product! who knows? they could tweak/change/tune/fix things before then! gawlly smashbot, looks like your losing this one D:

3.and so? shiek was quite fast, also fox and falcon, and yet look. newbz are kicking arse just by staring at you! even a noob can pick up a controller and start owning cause they keep spamming the same thing over and over~

1. Now now, there, Frankensilly, Marth and Cpt. Falcon had more power and range than Sonic. Also, you are more limited to a close range game with a projectile-less charrie. This + Sonic's weight= PWN'D.

2. Okey dokey then. The spring is destructible, so that doesn't help it's chances. Also, you say it goes very high. Fine by me. It's also horizontally challenged. And I know that you can't attack with another spring afterwards. Not possible.

3. THAT'S...NOT...THE...POINT...

I have seen nearly all players kill themselves at least THRICE with Sonic. That's three too many times. You will need control over his speed to truly master him... when the game comes out. I mean, that WAS his confirmed state as of now.
again, sonic's weight isnt final until released and proven. from the looks of it your just getting a bit more defensive cause your losing this one~

and also, i agree with that one guy. so what if hes more horizontally challenged? he does have other moves after all ~_~ his homing attack for instance~ even his spin dash~
marth was almost basically the same. sure marths dolphin slash thing had more horizontal movement, but not even that much, that's why people use his sword dance move to gain alot of horizontal distance before using his up b. (same doesnt apply to roy, his sword dance isnt as "movement-ey")

the reason most players killed themselves more than they had to is because the game is new, i mean, even YOU would need a couple of minutes to adjust to a new game after playing its older version. am i right or am i right?


yeah, sonic for the effing win~

:lick:
 

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I noticed that most people say they hate Sonic's games but then love the Genesis games (hmm does that not sound like a contradiction).

Maybe Sonic got on because of his Genesis games.

Not like Mario has had terrible series: Yoshi Island, Super Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, Mario is missing to name a few.
 

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who said everyone hates Sonic?
I see nothing wrong with him, but keep the talk to a low.
I'm definately going to play as him many times, because I love the super fast characters like that. that's just the way I roll.

Now, on a differet note, I was anti-Sonic-for-brawl. However, after he was confirmed, my opinions changed, and thus became:
"He's in, there's nothing I can do about it, so might as well accept him."

That in mind, why can't we just all get along?
=2007=
 

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who said everyone hates Sonic?
I see nothing wrong with him, but keep the talk to a low.
I'm definately going to play as him many times, because I love the super fast characters like that. that's just the way I roll.

Now, on a differet note, I was anti-Sonic-for-brawl. However, after he was confirmed, my opinions changed, and thus became:
"He's in, there's nothing I can do about it, so might as well accept him."


That in mind, why can't we just all get along?
=2007=
Now that's a very interesting statement. I remember earlier, reading character support threads and thinking, 'Diddy kong? Dedede? What the hell, those guys aren't cool enough for Brawl!'
But then they got announced, and a few weeks later, I'm looking forward to playing Dedede, and I don't think Diddy's just going to be a sandbag standin. And I remember seeing a lot more AnitSonic stuff before Oct. 10.
I wonder why? Perhaps it's simply the case that Brawl can make anything cool.

Except Sonic, because he makes BRAWL cooler.

Except Waluigi. Go back to DDR, Waluigi.
 

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Now that's a very interesting statement. I remember earlier, reading character support threads and thinking, 'Diddy kong? Dedede? What the hell, those guys aren't cool enough for Brawl!'
But then they got announced, and a few weeks later, I'm looking forward to playing Dedede, and I don't think Diddy's just going to be a sandbag standin. And I remember seeing a lot more AnitSonic stuff before Oct. 10.
I wonder why? Perhaps it's simply the case that Brawl can make anything cool.

Except Sonic, because he makes BRAWL cooler.
true... that's probably why I brought it up.
On a side note, also seeig SOnic in, I must admit it kinda incraesed my hype.
Oh yeah, tha was afer i spent and a half hours in my English class madly convulsing after seeing him on the site lol
=2007=
 

Batsu

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Yes I to am a Sonic hater, I used to like sonic back in the days but what SEGA have done to the poor fella now is quiet frankly....sad.
His voice sucks, the whole trying to make a great story sucks, the latest music sucks (I mean come on make some good music for once) and lastly.....he is now a try hard, trying to be cool and such just doesn't suit it.

Another reason why I don't like him as much is because I don't want sonic to be TO friendly with the mario franchise. I have the fear that soon people will start wanting Sonic in everything that has something to do with Mario. Which I don't want to happen.

Not like Mario has had terrible series: Yoshi Island, Super Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion
Your joking right?
 

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people, don't hate sonic. hate sega. they were the one who made sonic look like a joke. its not sonic fault why his games are bad. Its sega. when sonic was on the dreamcast, he use to be awesome. he is still awesome now. but its those stupied dum people who made stupied games for sonic. i wish sonic could move to nintendo and have good games again.
 

Dragonbreath

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people, don't hate sonic. hate sega. they were the one who made sonic look like a joke. its not sonic fault why his games are bad. Its sega. when sonic was on the dreamcast, he use to be awesome. he is still awesome now. but its those stupied dum people who made stupied games for sonic. i wish sonic could move to nintendo and have good games again.
There's a million and one theories about Sonic Team and their alleged quality drop. I think the most popular one is that there was some kind of split after S&K, and a lot of the original developers got jobs at other companies.

Personally, I don't think that the new ones are bad, per se, in the sense that they're not fun to play. I just think that there's a wealth of unused potential, and I'd like to see Sonic with a larger set of techniques.
 

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There's a million and one theories about Sonic Team and their alleged quality drop. I think the most popular one is that there was some kind of split after S&K, and a lot of the original developers got jobs at other companies.

Personally, I don't think that the new ones are bad, per se, in the sense that they're not fun to play. I just think that there's a wealth of unused potential, and I'd like to see Sonic with a larger set of techniques.
hmm... i didn't know that. why did the original developers left sonic team?? is it because they had a arguememt or left because to do something else?
 

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In my opinion, it's not that I don't like Sonic.

It's that I hate the fans that go all "OMFG SONIC IN BRAWL LETS GO TELL EVERYBODY EVEN THOUGH THEY EITHER ALREADY KNOW OR DON'T GIVE A ****."

I would fit the category of both "already knowing" and "not giving a ****."
 

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1. I blame 4kids for ruining Sonic. Sega DID make some crappy games, but 4kids are responsible for the loss of the GOOD voice actor from Sonic Adventure and attempting to conquest every popular entity of Japan.
2. I don't hate Sonic, but it really gets on my nerves when the people who prayed for Sonic's inclusion in brawl and aren't satisfied with just one playable character of the series. I seriously saw a video on youtube that requested Rouge the Bat for Brawl. Are you kidding me? It's almost as bad as Narutards protesting the lack of anime characters in the game.
 

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i know there are alot of Sonic haters even in the other forums im in and i ask them why do u guys hate sonic so much and they tell me its because hes from sega and im like ..wth thats not a good reason why u guys should hate him just for that
 

Batsu

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i know there are alot of Sonic haters even in the other forums im in and i ask them why do u guys hate sonic so much and they tell me its because hes from sega and im like ..wth thats not a good reason why u guys should hate him just for that
It's a true fact, a lot of Sonic haters are idiots, but at the same time there are Sonic fans which are idiots. Out of all these groups there are some intelligent people who make ery good valid points.
 

Del Money

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All the Sonic haters can eat mah balls, *****

EDIT: WHAT?!? THEY SENSORED THAT TOO??? DAMMIT!!!
 

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It's a true fact, a lot of Sonic haters are idiots, but at the same time there are Sonic fans which are idiots. Out of all these groups there are some intelligent people who make ery good valid points.
Yes. Unfortunately, the intelligent people are the ones with better things to do than cruise the internet, spitting their opinions at anything that moves. Sigh. . .
 

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It's a true fact, a lot of Sonic haters are idiots, but at the same time there are Sonic fans which are idiots. Out of all these groups there are some intelligent people who make ery good valid points.
That statement owned.

I like Sonic. His games were great (and I think some still are. You know...like Adventure 2?), and a lot of Sonic haters are idiots.

But the crazy-obsessed fans annoy the bageezus out of me. They seem to be slowly making me a Sonic hater. :urg:

The fans can have a huge impact on games. :ohwell:
 

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It's a true fact, a lot of Sonic haters are idiots, but at the same time there are Sonic fans which are idiots. Out of all these groups there are some intelligent people who make ery good valid points.
yeah the Sega/Nintendo war ended YEARS ago as you can see they are cool now...they are on TWO of the same games those guys should get over it already
 

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It's a true fact, a lot of Sonic haters are idiots, but at the same time there are Sonic fans which are idiots. Out of all these groups there are some intelligent people who make ery good valid points.
Exactly. I don't like him because I don't see much in his character. Sure he can run fast and turn into a ball but... is that it? This is just my opinion and nobody has to dislike Sonic " Cuz iy sed so".
 

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For many fans it was hard to get over the fact that the rivalry is over. I've stated it before that the Buisness rivalry is over. Maybe not as much for the fan rivalry. What people really need to get over it is to watch Sonic & Mario on the same team pwning every single character in Brawl. Not the negative fellings that can come from a youtube video that has the creator go against a Level 1 CP of Sonic or Mario playing as Sonic or Mario and say that the CP was at Level 9 lieing that one character sucks compared to the other. Sonic & Mario together in a Video will rovide a little togetherness and may even inspire Segtendo Tag Teams at Brawl Tournies. I expect alot of Brawl tournies to have Segtendist Teams.
 

Del Money

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In all honesty, majority of Sonic haters have no legit reason to hate Sonic other than the fact that they've never played a Sonic game or have a mission to piss off the fanboys. As for the rabid fanboys, they need to calm the hell down and stop thinking that just because they like a character, the whole world must as well. Yes, I'm huge Sonic fan and have been all my life, but that doesn't mean I have to add "ZOMG" into my vocabulary.
 

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In all honesty, majority of Sonic haters have no legit reason to hate Sonic other than the fact that they've never played a Sonic game or have a mission to piss off the fanboys. As for the rabid fanboys, they need to calm the hell down and stop thinking that just because they like a character, the whole world must as well. Yes, I'm huge Sonic fan and have been all my life, but that doesn't mean I have to add "ZOMG" into my vocabulary.
Hmm. . .you're on the right track, but you just derailed at the traffic crossing and squished a schoolbus. (Don't you just love metaphors?) You can't make generalizations like that about the Sonic fanbase, or the Sonic antibase, because everyone's an island on this issue. For example, I'm a dramatic-storyline enthusiast who's miffed at the incomplete realization of Sonic's potential in the last few years, who can't stand the sect that's crying for a return to 2-d games and the genesis era. I've never met anyone who matches me exactly, but I've encountered people who share my views.
 

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Well if you're talking about games specifically, then of course there'll be a large difference of opinion. I loved the 2-D era, but prefer Sonic gaming or the present and the future to be in 3 dimensions. All top-notch platform icons are in 3 dimensions and doing quite well. For Sonic to take a step back into 2-D would feel like a cheezy rehashing of the old Genesis/Game Gear days to me. Sonic CAN work in 3-D. Sega is just too lazy to fix the oh-so flawed engine they've been using since SA1 in 1999. They also can't seem to stop deviating from the high-speed level traversal and instead would rather have us shoot things, treasure hunt, and go fishing--all mixed with poor level design.
 

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maybe ppl hate sonic because hes just to **** good i mean he runs fast he kiss butt and hes cool looking and on top of all he can turn in to Super Sonicwhich make him twice as cool as he already is
 

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. . .64? I want you to do two things for me.

First. I want you to click the 'edit' button on your post.

Second. There's a rather serious grammatical error that needs correcting there. Not the lowercase I or the abbreviations. It's just after that bit about running fast.

Please? Thanks. Bye.


and @ Del: While I agree with a few of your points, specifically about the less-than-great level layout (On a technical view, that is, I've always been pleased by the art direction.), I wasn't talking specifically about the games. In fact, I think part of the reason that Sonic's fanbase is so splintered is because there are so many different Sonics. Sonic classic, Sonic adventure, SatAM Sonic, Sonic X, Fleetway Sonic, Archie Sonic, all the different little spinoffs and sidestories within Archie Sonic, the OVA Sonic. . .

And of course, everyone with a fancharacter seems to live in their own little universe. . .

Sigh. . .no wonder there's so many Sonic-copycats in the games these days.
 

Batsu

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maybe ppl hate sonic because hes just to **** good i mean he runs fast he kiss butt and hes cool looking and on top of all he can turn in to Super Sonicwhich make him twice as cool as he already is
and this is one of the reasons why I don't like sonic much.
People saying comments like that. They really reflect on the intelligents that they have.
The fact is, he is in, BUT he should be rated just like all the other characters, they are all good in a different way.

I am somewhat sick of going to every Nintendo forum and seeing a SSBB thread that only talks about Sonic.......which is....rather annoying
 

Garuda

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Batsu, it's because his inclusion is significant, since he's the second third-party character, and he can have a true fight against Mario, for those who can't get their ***** out of the 90's. And, of course, his status as an icon rivals that of Mario.

I guess Sonic haters need a big hug? Or I guess they should give Sonic games a chance, and if not, by all means BEAT THE LIVING **** OUT OF HIM IN BRAWL. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS SMASH BROS EXISTS. Not a key reason, but a notable one.
 

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and this is one of the reasons why I don't like sonic much.
People saying comments like that. They really reflect on the intelligents that they have.
The fact is, he is in, BUT he should be rated just like all the other characters, they are all good in a different way.

I am somewhat sick of going to every Nintendo forum and seeing a SSBB thread that only talks about Sonic.......which is....rather annoying
Well, you'd better get used to it. What, do you jump into Mario threads and say, 'Hey! I've got an idea! Let's talk about Samus instead!'? No. That would be stupid. If you want SSBB threads that talk about stuff besides Sonic, look around. They're not that hard to find in this site.

You are right about one thing, each character has unique characteristics and traits. Sonic fans simply place Sonic's traits above, say, Bowsers. If you're trying to say you think he'll be overpowered, don't worry. Eforall was quite balanced, for the most part.

And last but not least, that bit about intelligence. . .I've seen a lot more good grammar and intelligent discussion on these boards than not. And there's just as much spam outside the Sonic section. Your post isn't exactly a shining example of spellcheck, either.
 

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and @ Del: While I agree with a few of your points, specifically about the less-than-great level layout (On a technical view, that is, I've always been pleased by the art direction.), I wasn't talking specifically about the games. In fact, I think part of the reason that Sonic's fanbase is so splintered is because there are so many different Sonics. Sonic classic, Sonic adventure, SatAM Sonic, Sonic X, Fleetway Sonic, Archie Sonic, all the different little spinoffs and sidestories within Archie Sonic, the OVA Sonic. . .

And of course, everyone with a fancharacter seems to live in their own little universe. . .

Sigh. . .no wonder there's so many Sonic-copycats in the games these days.
The multiple Sonic world's was a huge turnoff for me as well. Wre the Archie Comics still not running strong with the general character cast I used to love from the Sonic SatAM cartoon backin 93, I might've stopped buying them a while ago. But my preferences aside, too manys Sonic world is most definitely not a good thing. Sega claims Sonic's Archie series to be the official comic of Sonic the Hedgehog and yet the Archie Sonic World greatly differs from the Sonic video game world.

The fact that Sonic's video game world itself underwent a change in 1999 when the first Sonic Adventure came out was an even bigger blow. Including humans in an urban setting within a Sonic game was unheard of before and my initial thought when SA1 came out was that perhaps it'l just be a non-canon Sonic spinoff. SA2's release shot down my theory. And imagine my surprise when even more characters were being added to this Sonic world with every sucessive Sonic release for a console...with terrible voice-acting to boot. The release of SA2 made me realize that the Sonic video game franchise would never be the same again. The only thing that impressed me about the 3D Sonic games was the speed in the Sonic levels. 3D platforming at that speed was just absolutely impressive and I doubt anyone who has played a 3D Sonic game can deny that.

And last but not least, the cartoons. I hate Sonic X...with an undying passion. And having it become the official representation of the Sonic games was even more absurd. Unfortunately, when you get attached to non-canon Sonic TV shows/comics, this kin of thing will happen. The Sonic OVA movie was also cheezy in a certain respect, but action-wise it was amazing and I was thoroughly impressed. Sonic SatAM was my hands-down favorite. I felt it demonstrated Sonic's attitude the best (in a language that I could understand without piss-poor dubbing) and also captured all aspects of the seriousness of his freedom fight against Dr. Robotnik. Adventure of Sonic the Hedgehog was only entertaining when I was unable to catch the SatAM episodes...but from where I stand right now, AoStH is just one big unfunny joke that I'd rather not watch sober. And then there is Sonic Underground and as childish and scarily non-canon as it is (Sonic and his bother and sister are children of the queen with musical instrument weapons....WTF) it has a leg up on AoStH.

and this is one of the reasons why I don't like sonic much.
People saying comments like that. They really reflect on the intelligents that they have.
The fact is, he is in, BUT he should be rated just like all the other characters, they are all good in a different way.

I am somewhat sick of going to every Nintendo forum and seeing a SSBB thread that only talks about Sonic.......which is....rather annoying
You're not really arguing a point. Hating a character just because of the fans is absurd. Try playing a Sonic game, preferably a well-respected Sonic game and use that to judge your attitude towards him.
 

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I don't know which annoys me more, the fanboys who accept every every bad game he's in, or the haters who call people fanboys for liking the games that aren't bad. I like Sonic, but I can see that there are problems with his recent games that need fixing.
 

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And that, folks, is why we should all get along and play the games we like, watch the shows we want, and not forget to eat our vedgetables and brush after every meal.
 

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I don't know which annoys me more, the fanboys who accept every every bad game he's in, or the haters who call people fanboys for liking the games that aren't bad. I like Sonic, but I can see that there are problems with his recent games that need fixing.
So so true... ever since SA2 things have been going downhill. Sonic rush is probally the only decent game since then, and maybe the Wii titles, but that's it.

Nintendo released games haven't been too bad, so there is still hope, I guess...
 

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Just give all Sonic games on Nintendo platforms. Screw Sony and Microsoft! Maybe they do alot better if they focus on just one system.
 
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