So what's with all the Sonic haters?

[Espy Rose]

In fact Sonic started a slow decline after Sonic the Hedgehog 2 because the American and Japanese developing teams for Sonic split. They never fully got together (originally one group made Sonic 3(the Japanese team) the other group made Sonic Spinball (the American Group).

Wait what the hell?! Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles wasn't good enough for you?

Bah.

I love and adore Sonic, as he is my favorite video game icon. I'm not a blind fanboy however, as I do have and control my moralities. Sonic games recently, save for Rush and Rush Adventure, haven't been of good quality. However, I think, Secret Rings, Rush, Rush Adventure, Sonic & Mario at the Olympic Games, Smash Bros. Brawl, and Sonic RPG all point to a good future for Sonic.

 

[Cless]

Yeah, me being a fan myself, I know his games totally suck...we except for RUSH and RUSH ADVENTURE, but that's no reason to dislike him in Brawl...now if someone like Wonder Momo was in Brawl, then by all means, hate it up.

Or Bravoman...

God**** did those games suck. What were you thinking Namco?!

 

[smashbot226]

ok, sure. with his speed you can pull of a bunch of combos in a matter of seconds, devistating your opponent. when you try to hit him if the guy is experienced enough he will easily avoid your attacks. he can also make great recoverys when you try to knock him off. what more could you want?

He has speed? Okay. Does he have STRENGTH? An AERIAL GAME? A trustworthy PROJECTILE DEFENSE???

Okay, look:

1. He has no projectile. Simple.

2. He has a bad (Compared to other's) recovery move and aerial game.

3. He is SO fast, he's almost uncontrollable. It will take a great deal of skill to master him.

 

[LuCKy]

screw the haters sonic *****!!!!!!!!!

what we need to do is hate on jiggs!!!! everyone join together!

 

[Dragonbreath]

He has speed? Okay. Does he have STRENGTH? An AERIAL GAME? A trustworthy PROJECTILE DEFENSE???

Okay, look:

1. He has no projectile. Simple.

2. He has a bad (Compared to other's) recovery move and aerial game.

3. He is SO fast, he's almost uncontrollable. It will take a great deal of skill to master him.

1: He runs faster than most projectiles. Not so simple. Anyhow, did Capitan Falcon have a projectile? SURVEY SAYS. . .Holy crap, he didn't! Neither did Marth!

2: Say what? Have you seen how high that spring goes? And he can even use A attacks afterwards. Gimpy wasn't totally sure about this, but he might even be able to use B moves other than the recovery. And in the Sonic Report From EforAll thread, it says that his Uair game is quite good.

3: That's right. Because you're going to play Brawl for two minutes and never master anybody.

Extra Credit: Strength? According to what I've seen in the videoes, that Usmash does a nice chunk of damage if it gets all its hits in. Somewhat like the whorenado, but less broken.

screw the haters sonic *****!!!!!!!!!

what we need to do is hate on jiggs!!!! everyone join together!

Yes. He does.

But I wouldn't do other thing if I were you, she's more popular on this forum than you'd think.

 

[GreenKirby]

Most recent games, no matter what series, suck.

Fixaga :D :D

You would think the 'recent games suck' excuse would be invalid. Otherwise, Fox shouldn't be in this game either.

 

[Deleted member]

Most haters don't even see past their own logic! I mean come ON, you have a free punching bag.

If you want a free punching bag, haters, get Bubsy. He deserves it.

 

[Dragonbreath]

If you want a free punching bag, haters, get Bubsy. He deserves it.

I'd QFT, but you're dodging the issue. Bubsy has about as much Brawl chances as the goblins that live under my old gym socks. Sonic, on the other hand, is in. And he's ready, able and willing to be pummeled by everything the haters have to throw at him.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I'd QFT, but you're dodging the issue. Bubsy has about as much Brawl chances as the goblins that live under my old gym socks. Sonic, on the other hand, is in. And he's ready, able and willing to be pummeled by everything the haters have to throw at him.

That's unless someone that uses him well enough, comes in and beats them at their own game.


Would LOVE to see those haters' expressions when they lose to Sonic online.

But I'm not one to hold grudges. So that won't be me. I'll be too busy ENJOYING the fact that Sonic is in Brawl, than bother with the haters. :D

 

[Mr. Sunny Patch]

I remember a lot of people dying to have Sonic in. Thats all they would talk about. Now that he is in, it semms like no one really cares anymore.

 

[Cenedar]

Well, first of all, half the Sonic fanbase hates Sonic X as well. So don't lump everyone together there. (I didn't like it, personally.)

As for 'Just an annoying little hedgehog that runs fast. . .' Well, annoying is a matter of opinion. But he does a hell of a lot more than run fast. He can slice through steel with his quills, he fights like Bruce Lee stuck in fast-forward, he makes pressure differences, he defies gravity on a regular basis, his reflexes move faster than a time machine, he's been known to manipulate fire and darkness as well as wind. . .

Besides, even if his only skill was moving fast, so what? If you're imaginative enough, you can do pretty much anything by moving quickly. Hell, an object that vibrates quickly enough can move through solid matter. And momentum is Mass multiplied by Velocity, so speed is the dominant factor in doing physcial damage for any object (Why do you think bullets hurt?). So there's nothing wrong with being 'just' a fast little hedgehog.

Not that dumb at all, really.

Dragonbreath once again wins. Saying that ALL Sonic does is run is like saying that ALL that Mario does is jump and shoot fireballs, or saying ALL that Bowser does is breathe fire.

Sakurai managed to make movesets for the most unlikely characters (yes, I'm looking at you Capt. Falcon) and with all the material he had at disposal to draw from for Sonic, I personally could not think of an even cooler fit to the series than the little blue roadster.

So yeah, IMHO, Sonic is awesome and whether you like it or not, he's in. So I'll cheer and celebrate with all people about it, haters and lovers.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

He has speed? Okay. Does he have STRENGTH? An AERIAL GAME? A trustworthy PROJECTILE DEFENSE???

Okay, look:

1. He has no projectile. Simple.

2. He has a bad (Compared to other's) recovery move and aerial game.

3. He is SO fast, he's almost uncontrollable. It will take a great deal of skill to master him.

1: He runs faster than most projectiles. Not so simple. Anyhow, did Capitan Falcon have a projectile? SURVEY SAYS. . .Holy crap, he didn't! Neither did Marth!

2: Say what? Have you seen how high that spring goes? And he can even use A attacks afterwards. Gimpy wasn't totally sure about this, but he might even be able to use B moves other than the recovery. And in the Sonic Report From EforAll thread, it says that his Uair game is quite good.

3: That's right. Because you're going to play Brawl for two minutes and never master anybody.

Extra Credit: Strength? According to what I've seen in the videoes, that Usmash does a nice chunk of damage if it gets all its hits in. Somewhat like the whorenado, but less broken.



Yes. He does.

But I wouldn't do other thing if I were you, she's more popular on this forum than you'd think.

LOL Pwned!!

 

[Deleted member]

I'd QFT, but you're dodging the issue. Bubsy has about as much Brawl chances as the goblins that live under my old gym socks. Sonic, on the other hand, is in. And he's ready, able and willing to be pummeled by everything the haters have to throw at him.

Uh, you're not getting the point. Sonic is awesome, Bubsy is about as nice as the D*v*l

 

[Dragonbreath]

Uh, you're not getting the point. Sonic is awesome, Bubsy is about as nice as the D*v*l

Can't argue with that.

 

[smashbot226]

1: He runs faster than most projectiles. Not so simple. Anyhow, did Capitan Falcon have a projectile? SURVEY SAYS. . .Holy crap, he didn't! Neither did Marth!

2: Say what? Have you seen how high that spring goes? And he can even use A attacks afterwards. Gimpy wasn't totally sure about this, but he might even be able to use B moves other than the recovery. And in the Sonic Report From EforAll thread, it says that his Uair game is quite good.

3: That's right. Because you're going to play Brawl for two minutes and never master anybody.

Extra Credit: Strength? According to what I've seen in the videoes, that Usmash does a nice chunk of damage if it gets all its hits in. Somewhat like the whorenado, but less broken.

1. Now now, there, Frankensilly, Marth and Cpt. Falcon had more power and range than Sonic. Also, you are more limited to a close range game with a projectile-less charrie. This + Sonic's weight= PWN'D.

2. Okey dokey then. The spring is destructible, so that doesn't help it's chances. Also, you say it goes very high. Fine by me. It's also horizontally challenged. And I know that you can't attack with another spring afterwards. Not possible.

3. THAT'S...NOT...THE...POINT...

I have seen nearly all players kill themselves at least THRICE with Sonic. That's three too many times. You will need control over his speed to truly master him... when the game comes out. I mean, that WAS his confirmed state as of now.

 

[RenegadeRaven]

1. Now now, there, Frankensilly, Marth and Cpt. Falcon had more power and range than Sonic. Also, you are more limited to a close range game with a projectile-less charrie. This + Sonic's weight= PWN'D.

2. Okey dokey then. The spring is destructible, so that doesn't help it's chances. Also, you say it goes very high. Fine by me. It's also horizontally challenged. And I know that you can't attack with another spring afterwards. Not possible.

3. THAT'S...NOT...THE...POINT...

I have seen nearly all players kill themselves at least THRICE with Sonic. That's three too many times. You will need control over his speed to truly master him... when the game comes out. I mean, that WAS his confirmed state as of now.

1. Sure, I must agree that he has no defense against projectiles besides his shield. But his speed should allow for him to close in on his opponent before they can get him with projectiles. All he has to do is stay on them. Also if he happens to end up far away from his opponent who is firing projectiles his running speed should be able to close in most of the distance and use a jumping homing attack for the rest of the way.

2. Luigi's up b is also horizontally challenged and he seemed to have been doing fine. Also, he has his homing attack to help him horizontally, like Luigi's head butt. He also never said that he could use his spring afterwards, he said that he might be able to use b moves other than the spring after using it first.

3. Just because he's going to be hard to master does not automatically mean you should give up on him.

 

[smashbot226]

1. Sure, I must agree that he has no defense against projectiles besides his shield. But his speed should allow for him to close in on his opponent before they can get him with projectiles. All he has to do is stay on them. Also if he happens to end up far away from his opponent who is firing projectiles his running speed should be able to close in most of the distance and use a jumping homing attack for the rest of the way.

2. Luigi's up b is also horizontally challenged and he seemed to have been doing fine. Also, he has his homing attack to help him horizontally, like Luigi's head butt. He also never said that he could use his spring afterwards, he said that he might be able to use b moves other than the spring after using it first.

3. Just because he's going to be hard to master does not automatically mean you should give up on him.

1. They can shield/dodge/shine before he could hit... and that's just for ungodly reflexes.

unless your charrie has medium attack speed, faster chars will hit before he closes in and since heavy charries have super armor, Sonic will need to find openings to get in and out. Though I must admit his homing attack is good.

2. Sonic has B> and that's it. Unless he can repeat it, which I doubt, then if Sonic is far away from ground, which I can guarantee he is 95% of the time, B^ and then a B> STILL doesn't save him. Not enough distance, but great vertical range just doesn't get up to snuff.

3. That's not what I'm saying! If you like fast charries, by all means, go for him. I'm just saying, newbies may want an easier character to master.

 

[Cless]

Why do you doubt that he can use the over b repeatedly? It doesn't even make sense to limit it to just one anyway.

 

[pass the syrup]

Seriously, before Sonic was confirmed, there were many that didn't care wether or not he was in, but then these people either became Sonic haters or lovers. This annoys me, because there is no reason to complain about a character being a Brawl. If they are there, and you don't like them, then don't use them, or make them your punching bag if you really wish to. I mean, I don't like Ice Climbers and didn't like seeing them back, but I don't go everywhere and complain about the Ice Climbers whenever possible (this is what Sonic haters do about Sonic most of the time). I'm not saying anyone has to like Sonic, or any other character, but no one has to complain. It gets more annoying than a fanboy.

We are not Sonic haters. We are everybody else lovers. *wink*

 

[RenegadeRaven]

1. They can shield/dodge/shine before he could hit... and that's just for ungodly reflexes.

unless your charrie has medium attack speed, faster chars will hit before he closes in and since heavy charries have super armor, Sonic will need to find openings to get in and out. Though I must admit his homing attack is good.

2. Sonic has B> and that's it. Unless he can repeat it, which I doubt, then if Sonic is far away from ground, which I can guarantee he is 95% of the time, B^ and then a B> STILL doesn't save him. Not enough distance, but great vertical range just doesn't get up to snuff.

3. That's not what I'm saying! If you like fast charries, by all means, go for him. I'm just saying, newbies may want an easier character to master.

1. Meh, I see what you mean. However, that could mean the same for Marth and C. Falcon in Melee, but it wasn't. He also doesn't have to attack right away. He could simply fast fall and land or something. This could also be a mind game.

2. He can just spin dash towards the stage then ^B. I also think he can cancel out of his spin dash into an upB but that going off what I've read. However you may be right here.

3. Like Shiek? Still, they can just use another character. My friends went to Shiek for quick revenge, when they were gettin' pwned.

 

[Insurance Salesman]

Actually, I hate Sonic. It's not that his games are bad, or anything... I just hate the hedgehog. And his voice... AUGH! It's so ANNOYING!

That's why I didn't want him in Brawl. Seriously. Sad but true.

 

[Kirbynator23]

I happen to be one of those people who hate sonic. Although I have bought the original sonic the hedgehog on virtual console I still think the "New Sonic" is really dumb. Even so, I don't go around saying
HEY EVERYBODY DON'T USE SONIC CAUSE I SAY SO!!! I admit even I get annoyed by that. But if they start hating Kirby I'm gonna introduce them to my fists.

 

[Dragonbreath]

Actually, I hate Sonic. It's not that his games are bad, or anything... I just hate the hedgehog. And his voice... AUGH! It's so ANNOYING!

That's why I didn't want him in Brawl. Seriously. Sad but true.

Thank you. Hating Sonic for his voice or his personality is a perfectly reasonable judgment call on your part, just as liking him for the inverse is a reasonable judgement on ours. You've expressed your opinion sufficiently and
simply, without aggravating those that disagree with you.

I happen to be one of those people who hate sonic. Although I have bought the original sonic the hedgehog one virtual console I still think the "New Sonic" is really dumb. Even so, I don't go around saying
HEY EVERYBODY DON'T USE SONIC CAUSE I SAY SO!!! I admit even I get annoyed by that. But if they start hating Kirby I'm gonna introduce them to my fists.

Again, thank you. A reasonable call without aggravation, and you act rationally and realistically as well. I like Kirby too, as a matter of fact.

These are two examples of 'good' haters. People who can express disagreement without going out of their way to provoke the other side, as well as explain the cause of their opinions rationally.

Why can't all haters be like you guys?

 

[Insurance Salesman]

Thank you. Hating Sonic for his voice or his personality is a perfectly reasonable judgment call on your part, just as liking him for the inverse is a reasonable judgement on ours. You've expressed your opinion sufficiently and
simply, without aggravating those that disagree with you.



Again, thank you. A reasonable call without aggravation, and you act rationally and realistically as well. I like Kirby too, as a matter of fact.

These are two examples of 'good' haters. People who can express disagreement without going out of their way to provoke the other side, as well as explain the cause of their opinions rationally.

Why can't all haters be like you guys?

I actually have a brother that is naturally a flamer, and constantly tries to encourage me to follow his example. I don't, as I don't like getting into fights over something that can't be proven and will just create bad feelings.

Flamers, however, apparantly seem to thrive on the hate generated on those sort of threads. In fact, everyone probably enjoys it somewhat, but some can control themselves, while others can't.

Edit: Oh, and some actually probably do it just to see and show a wide variety of different "You Fail!" Animations. You've got to admit those are pretty cool, but they never serve any purpose except to provoke someone.

 

[Fearthesmash]

original sonic games = win
new sonic games = lose
Sonic north american comics = mega win
Japanese translated 4kids cartoon = worst possible rendition of a decent character EVER MADE.

Overall, a cool character who has been HORRIBLY misrepresented in more recent apperances, Hate him or Love him, Sonic is in Brawl! BOUT FRIGGIN TIME!

 

[shinhed-echi]

Why is there so much hatred around here?

And by no means do those comics beat the japanese Sonic. You wanna judge Sonic or Sonic X? Watch the original non 4Kids versions then we'll see. 4Kids ruins anything it touches.

I hope Sonic never EVER gets his comics representation. THAT will ruin Sonic and THAT will triple the bunch of useless characters to his universe.

 

[Dragonbreath]

Why is there so much hatred around here?

And by no means do those comics beat the japanese Sonic. You wanna judge Sonic or Sonic X? Watch the original non 4Kids versions then we'll see. 4Kids ruins anything it touches.

I hope Sonic never EVER gets his comics representation. THAT will ruin Sonic and THAT will triple the bunch of useless characters to his universe.

Tell me about it. When it comes to the archie comics, I'm fifty-percent hater myself. Why? Because it reminds puts me in mind of a great, big fanfic, with color added. That, and the thought of Sonic crossing over with Archie makes me retch.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Tell me about it. When it comes to the archie comics, I'm fifty-percent hater myself. Why? Because it reminds puts me in mind of a great, big fanfic, with color added. That, and the thought of Sonic crossing over with Archie makes me retch.

It's hard to agree on the comic subject.


But the idea of Dimensional gate opening UBER hedgehogs is NOT my idea of fun, and completely lacks the escence that is Sonic. How many super stages do they have already?

And Julie Sue? .. I rather have Tikal come back from her grave to give Knuckles a love interest, than some random fan-made character.

The deal is I hate the comics.. But I also envy its creators. :D They get to create and put characters in.

Sure I've read the comics. Back when I was 8 I think. I ask a friend of mine that follows a bit of the comics, and what I hear about it doesn't spark my interest at all.

Many have different POVs on how the Sonic storyline should be.. But for now I stick to the official stuff (thank God I know some japanese... takes care of the corny 4 Kids dialogue and VOICE ACTING). Maybe it's because I'm not from the US, that I don't find those comics amusing at all... I don't deny the Archie Comics. I just consider them an alternate storyline.

These are the universes of Sonic, from what I understand.

-Sonic games and ovas (official stuff)
-Sonic X (almost like games, except with Chris)
-Sonic Archie & Satam (Archie based on Satam i think)
-Sonic Underground
-Sonic Cartoon(not really to consider a storyline)

 

[Ragnell94]

i am a sonic fan but i will say that someone i no said they didnt like sonic b/c he was going to dominate every1.....but ive heard people say that about other carecters

 

[SmashWolf]

I think the newest Sonic games now have 2 categories. Good ones, and bad ones.

Good ones being Sonic and the Secret Rings as well as Sonic Rush(Adventure).

Bad ones being like Sonic Rivals.

For some reason, I like the newer Sonic games better than the older ones. I can't really explain why. But then again, I'm the kind of person who prefers Mario Sunshine over Mario 64 and Galaxy.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Well... Secret Rings was awesome (took me a WHOLE lot of effort to get to like it though. But in the end I loved it)

I loved Sonic Rush (a bit more than Sonic Rush Adventures). But I was looking forward to Sonic Rivals...

A shame it doesn's seem that good...

Well... I'm the type of person who liked Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog... so bleh. :D

 

[SonicMario]

I think the newest Sonic games now have 2 categories. Good ones, and bad ones.

Good ones being Sonic and the Secret Rings as well as Sonic Rush(Adventure).

Bad ones being like Sonic Rivals.

For some reason, I like the newer Sonic games better than the older ones. I can't really explain why. But then again, I'm the kind of person who prefers Mario Sunshine over Mario 64 and Galaxy.

Don't forget Ugly lol

I think Sega can pull off a good sonic game if they can only decide to start devlelopment 1 year, and then end development by at least 2 years. All the good games had to had at least 2-3 years of development. Sega has been focusing at just giving it to the fans.

 

[Beet]

It really doesn't make any sence if you really thikn about it . Having more of a variation of chracters is what smash bros is all about. playing wierd and wacky characters from all the games you know and love is what I like about the game and the none premade combos :D

 

[WarioII]

I am a big sonic fan. these sonic haters are just jelous because he will only be controllable for those who know the game. he will be close to the best character there will be because of his speed.

exactly what i was thinkin theyre jealous me personally im glad that hes in because i love the whole mario vs sonic aspect

 

[The Sorrow]

I think some people hate the fact that he's in brawl, because since he was the most requested character, there's going to be a LOT of people using him.... think of the online play full of sonics.... I like sonic and im glad he's in brawl but ....seriously.... there's gonna be lots of sonics online >_>

 

[NF Alex]

Because lots of people are ********.

 

[Dragonbreath]

I think some people hate the fact that he's in brawl, because since he was the most requested character, there's going to be a LOT of people using him.... think of the online play full of sonics.... I like sonic and im glad he's in brawl but ....seriously.... there's gonna be lots of sonics online >_>

There's gonna be a lot of everyone online, because everyone will buy this game.

But seriously, I think you're right. Sonic is very popular with Brawl's target audience, and he looks like he might have a pretty high teir as well.

. . .If Sakurai doesn't make his alt. colors more distinctive, things are gonna get really confusing...

 

[Nilok]

It's hard to agree on the comic subject.


But the idea of Dimensional gate opening UBER hedgehogs is NOT my idea of fun, and completely lacks the escence that is Sonic. How many super stages do they have already?

And Julie Sue? .. I rather have Tikal come back from her grave to give Knuckles a love interest, than some random fan-made character.

The deal is I hate the comics.. But I also envy its creators. :D They get to create and put characters in.

Sure I've read the comics. Back when I was 8 I think. I ask a friend of mine that follows a bit of the comics, and what I hear about it doesn't spark my interest at all.

Many have different POVs on how the Sonic storyline should be.. But for now I stick to the official stuff (thank God I know some japanese... takes care of the corny 4 Kids dialogue and VOICE ACTING). Maybe it's because I'm not from the US, that I don't find those comics amusing at all... I don't deny the Archie Comics. I just consider them an alternate storyline.

These are the universes of Sonic, from what I understand.

-Sonic games and ovas (official stuff)
-Sonic X (almost like games, except with Chris)
-Sonic Archie & Satam (Archie based on Satam i think)
-Sonic Underground
-Sonic Cartoon(not really to consider a storyline)

I hate to say it, but SEGA doesn't even have anything cohesive, they also change this a LOT, and didn't the Ova fit in less with the Game Sonic universe than the Archie comics?. The main problem is that SEGA has yet to make a cohesive story and has other people who they gave rights to, to also follow.

 

[plök]

Quite honesty, as long as Sonic doesn't talk, he won't be that bad. But if he sounds like he did in those awful cartoons, Sonic will have ruined Brawl.

I thought confirming Sonic was a strange idea. After the IGM prank, everyone would have flipped out (either from happiness or because they were so mad) when they unlocked Sonic without knowing he was in the game.

Just my opinion. Too late for that.

 

[Psymon]

Mario vs. Sonic is too tough to call. The brawl will settle it. 12.02.08. Psy.