So what are the differences?

[Guybrush20X6]

Besides the Final Smash what differnces does Kark Pit have? I know there's the Elctroshock arm instead of the uperdash but how areit's properties different for example?

 

[Majora999]

As I understand, he has less launching power than Pit, but he does more damage. I've also heard he's slower, but I don't know about that one.

From my own observations, it looks like his Power of Flight gets more distance, but doesn't curve as well, but I could be wrong on that. His Silver Bow is the same way, it's stronger, but it's harder to control.

Anyone with the Japanese game have a legit answer?

 

[kro_]

His dair is faster, so I'm guessing all of his air attacks are faster. Seems logical, as he can fly, but not Pit in Uprising.

 

[Sora Keyblade Master]

Dark Pit has sweet spots, on almost all of his attacks and they give additional knockback and damage if they all connect. D-tilt and down air can spike on sweet spot.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Dark Pit has sweet spots, on almost all of his attacks and they give additional knockback and damage if they all connect. D-tilt and down air can spike on sweet spot.

So he's Marth?

 

[Sora Keyblade Master]

So he's Marth?

In a way you can say that, however i don't think they are all on the tips of his attacks.

 

[Tepig2000]

Some of his custom special moves are different from Pit's.

 

[Majora999]

Some of his custom special moves are different from Pit's.

That's more than Lucina can claim.

But noooo, she has a different model, Dark Pit's the worse clone #SakuraiBias.

 

[Kahnu]

No difference.

 

[LancerStaff]

We have factual evidence that the two are the same besides their Nspecial, Sspecial, and customs of each.

 

[Eisendrachen]

Seems logical, as he can fly, but not Pit in Uprising.

No he can't. Without goddess power his wings are just as useless as the original's. What makes sense is having more power behind his attacks... he's Pit's shadow, less restrained.

 

[LancerStaff]

No he can't. Without goddess power his wings are just as useless as the original's. What makes sense is having more power behind his attacks... he's Pit's shadow, less restrained.

Except 99% of attacks are identical...

 

[Morbi]

Except 99% of attacks are identical...

At least he is not completely the same, that one percent should make him feel almost entirely different.

 

[LancerStaff]

At least he is not completely the same, that one percent should make him feel almost entirely different.

It really doesn't.

 

[kro_]

No he can't. Without goddess power his wings are just as useless as the original's. What makes sense is having more power behind his attacks... he's Pit's shadow, less restrained.

I didn't say he can't fly by himself, but he CAN fly in his game, and for much longer periods of time than Pit. Don't worry, I've played the game, too.

 

[Super Fighting Robot]

He is better in every way duh

 

[_Darkpit_]

Darkpit lost his '' own '' power of flight after lost Pandora in the reconspring. Pandora excist now as Amazon Pandora.

In the end in the game you can see that Darkpit can fly because of Viridi. She controls his flight. Darkpits wings shines green. In the chapter with the lightning chariot, she also controlled Pits flight. Darkpit can't decide where he flies. ^^

 

[evmaxy54]

http://youtu.be/xLAFQvt67kY

 

[Saikyoshi]

We have factual evidence that the two are the same besides their Nspecial, Sspecial, and customs of each.

what

b-b-but why

sakurai I thought you were smarter than this just tweak a few numbers at least to make him play sort of differently

Seriously, it's not that hard, especially compared to making new animations. The custom equipment (which will be mostly unusable for 99% of us because of both random online multiplayer and tournaments banning it) proves that it's as simple as merely adding and subtracting. Why couldn't he have done that when actually programming the game?

 

[PikaSamus]

Wait, the Silver Bow is more powerful?
I'm pretty sure that the idol says that the Silver Bow is the prototype of the Palutena Bow.

 

[Majora999]

Wait, the Silver Bow is more powerful?
I'm pretty sure that the idol says that the Silver Bow is the prototype of the Palutena Bow.

And Olimar's a couple centimeters tall, neither of these facts affect gameplay.

 

[Mataata]

It's less the moves that matter, and more the fact that Dark Pit is, like, way cooler.

Jokes aside, I plan on playing him a lot.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So we gotta figure out wether it's a Melee Fox/Falco situation where there's only one obvious difference (blaster/arm) but the less noticeable dfferences add up to a totally different play style; or a Melee Mario/Dr Mario situation where one ends up simply being better than the other.

 

[meleebrawler]

So we gotta figure out wether it's a Melee Fox/Falco situation where there's only one obvious difference (blaster/arm) but the less noticeable dfferences add up to a totally different play style; or a Melee Mario/Dr Mario situation where one ends up simply being better than the other.

I don't think Dr. Mario was considered better purely for his differences, but rather his better
matchups with the space animals (I guess semi-spike Bair wrecks their recovery).

Other than that, it definitely seems to be a Mario/Dr. Mario situation, as (purely speculation based on
what little I've heard, so very little evidence) Pit is a tad faster with slightly better recovery (slower fall speed)
and Dark Pit is a tad less mobile but with more power.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

The sooner someone makes a comparison video the sooner the confusion is lifted.

Things like how long does it take for them to run from one side of Final Destination to the other and how long it takes them to hit the ground when falling from the top of battlefield.

 

[Spinosaurus]

The sooner someone makes a comparison video the sooner the confusion is lifted.

Things like how long does it take for them to run from one side of Final Destination to the other and how long it takes them to hit the ground when falling from the top of battlefield.

It's all on this thread (this page specifically)
http://smashboards.com/threads/two-...t-dark-pit-meta-game-discussion.369080/page-6

 

[Speculator]

The word "negligible" comes to mind.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

So a magic mirror clone is less different from his original than a plumber putting on a lab coat? I hope the high level gameplay shows their strengths.

 

[meleebrawler]

So a magic mirror clone is less different from his original than a plumber putting on a lab coat? I hope the high level gameplay shows their strengths.

There's only one answer: Doctor Mario is actually from a different dimension.
His Melee trophy states that he gets less exercise than Mario, so I don't think it's the
same Mario just switching jobs.

That's the only explanation that I can think of that trumps magic mirror differences. Although...
It's possible that when Dark Pit came out of the mirror, he WAS an exact match of Pit.
Only after spending some time outside and honing his skills did he start differing slightly.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Up tilt is different. Pit strikes two times while Dark Pit does not I guess.
Side Smash is different too. Dark Pit's second hit is downward while regular Pit is upward.
Other than this, seems like Dark Pit uses his right hand before the left hand while Pit does the oposite. He seems to be mirrored. But it may be wrong, it's just one impression I had...
I could only see this. The differeces are few, and really light. It's just about the direction of the hits...

 

[A2ZOMG]

I don't think Dr. Mario was considered better purely for his differences, but rather his better
matchups with the space animals (I guess semi-spike Bair wrecks their recovery).

Melee Doc does better vs spacies mostly because D-smash kills waaaaay earlier and is very simple to combo into. And his Cape's huge vertical hitbox is better for edgeguarding them.

Doc's B-air gimps really only help him against Ganondorf and Samus, who Mario in contrast does struggle very noticeably against. Doesn't really help him in any other matchups a huge amount compared to Mario's B-air, which does just fine edgeguarding and gimping plenty of characters. Mario does do slightly better against Sheik and Marth and most of the mid/low tier cast (actually, he kinda autowins vs some low tiers due to better chaingrabs than Doc), but obviously that's far less important than being better vs space animals.

 

[LancerStaff]

what

b-b-but why

sakurai I thought you were smarter than this just tweak a few numbers at least to make him play sort of differently

Seriously, it's not that hard, especially compared to making new animations. The custom equipment (which will be mostly unusable for 99% of us because of both random online multiplayer and tournaments banning it) proves that it's as simple as merely adding and subtracting. Why couldn't he have done that when actually programming the game?

Actually balancing these changes is much more work then that. Me, I'm fine with it since one of the biggest aspects of Pit, his arrows, are completely different between the two.

Up tilt is different. Pit strikes two times while Dark Pit does not I guess.
Side Smash is different too. Dark Pit's second hit is downward while regular Pit is upward.
Other than this, seems like Dark Pit uses his right hand before the left hand while Pit does the oposite. He seems to be mirrored. But it may be wrong, it's just one impression I had...
I could only see this. The differeces are few, and really light. It's just about the direction of the hits...

I'm not so sure about that.

 

[Fire Tactician]

Darkpit lost his '' own '' power of flight after lost Pandora in the reconspring. Pandora excist now as Amazon Pandora.

In the end in the game you can see that Darkpit can fly because of Viridi. She controls his flight. Darkpits wings shines green. In the chapter with the lightning chariot, she also controlled Pits flight. Darkpit can't decide where he flies. ^^

Also, Palutena can control Dark Pit's flight too. In the final chapter. Viridi controls Pit's flight after the Great Sacred Treasure is broken until slightly before Dark Pit's arrival, after which she appears to transfer it over to Palutena (since his wings change from glowing orange to blue). Interestingly enough, Dark Pit flies in with blue glowing wings too... so apparently Palutena can control two different angel's flight paths simultaneously.

Also, a peculiar moment is just before Palutena resumes control over Pit in the ending sequence. Pit's wings just stop glowing and he floats in the sky for a short while before Palutena takes over. Maybe he's learning to fly on his own! (Probably not)

 

[Frostwraith]

Also, Palutena can control Dark Pit's flight too. In the final chapter. Viridi controls Pit's flight after the Great Sacred Treasure is broken until slightly before Dark Pit's arrival, after which she appears to transfer it over to Palutena (since his wings change from glowing orange to blue). Interestingly enough, Dark Pit flies in with blue glowing wings too... so apparently Palutena can control two different angel's flight paths simultaneously.

Also, a peculiar moment is just before Palutena resumes control over Pit in the ending sequence. Pit's wings just stop glowing and he floats in the sky for a short while before Palutena takes over. Maybe he's learning to fly on his own! (Probably not)

Pretty sure it's Viridi controlling Pit's flight at the end.

Palutena charges the GST's gun while Viridi is using the Power of Flight on Pit. Hades is defeated and Pit is still flying with Viridi's power. In the epilogue, Dark Pit appears using Palutena's power (his wings glow blue, while Pit has a green glow on his wings all the time).

 

[SmashBro99]

"One is light, one is dark."

That's about it.

 

[Ikitaimu]

So I had this same question, so I ran some tests, and these is what I've come up with.

DP's arrows have a shorter range, and their direction cannot be changed nearly as much as Pit's, but they have a higher max damage. Both arrows charge and travel at the same speed, have the same min damage, and have the same cooldown.
DP's flight goes higher than Pit's, by a good chunk. For both of them the direction can be controlled in the same way, with the same number of different directions possible.
While Pit's Upperdash Arm sends the opponent up, DP's Electroshock arm sends them about 45 degrees up and outwards. Their range and speed appear to be the same.
Pit travels faster than Dark Pit, in both walking and running time.

From what I've found, everything else is the same. The only other difference may be weight, but it's harder to test that when it's just me here. The damage, knockback, sweetspots, direction, timing, and number of hits for all other attacks are the same between the two characters.

The damage for them both is seriously the same, I think people want them to be different so much that they think they've found something when they haven't.

 

[FiXalaS]

So I had this same question, so I ran some tests, and these is what I've come up with.

DP's arrows have a shorter range, and their direction cannot be changed nearly as much as Pit's, but they have a higher max damage. Both arrows charge and travel at the same speed, have the same min damage, and have the same cooldown.
DP's flight goes higher than Pit's, by a good chunk. For both of them the direction can be controlled in the same way, with the same number of different directions possible.
While Pit's Upperdash Arm sends the opponent up, DP's Electroshock arm sends them about 45 degrees up and outwards. Their range and speed appear to be the same.
Pit travels faster than Dark Pit, in both walking and running time.

From what I've found, everything else is the same. The only other difference may be weight, but it's harder to test that when it's just me here. The damage, knockback, sweetspots, direction, timing, and number of hits for all other attacks are the same between the two characters.

The damage for them both is seriously the same, I think people want them to be different so much that they think they've found something when they haven't.

isn't DPit's nair better?

 

[Jiggsbomb]

I don´t play as dark pit. But I´ve met quite a few dark pit players, in for glory. ( They were terrible) But it seems that dark pit is a little slower, and stronger. His side-b is different than pits.

Dark pit mains, can correct me, if I´m wrong.

 

[LancerStaff]

I don´t play as dark pit. But I´ve met quite a few dark pit players, in for glory. ( They were terrible) But it seems that dark pit is a little slower, and stronger. His side-b is different than pits.

Dark pit mains, can correct me, if I´m wrong.

99% of their moves are exactly the same. Just their Fspecial, Sspecial, and Nair are different.

 

[Jiggsbomb]

99% of their moves are exactly the same. Just their Fspecial, Sspecial, and Nair are different.

Ah, Ok.

Do you enjoy playing Dark pit, or do you think he was a wasted spot on the roster?