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Wait, didn't Ike marry Elincia in RD if you have a transfer file with an A class support?
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Wait, didn't Ike marry Elincia in RD if you have a transfer file with an A class support?
Eww...I don't think so, no. From what I've heard, only Geoffrey can marry Elincia. Besides, Ike's ending in RD would make any such relationship with Elincia problematic, to say the absolute least.
Zevox
Not really. You're thinking of Lucia, whom is described as being Elincia's "milk sister" (they're not related by blood, but were raised together - I'm sure you can figure out what the saying refers to). Presumably, Geoffrey may be similar, since he is Lucia's older brother (although depending on how much older, he may not be in a similar situation - its never specified to my knowledge), but neither legally nor by blood are they related. Its much like the case of childhood friends who grow up playing together then become romantically involved later on, really.Eww...
Geoffrey is Elincia's adopted brother...
It could be the other way around, but I know they're siblings.
That's just... wrong...
Go away....I really hope it's true that Ike is gay.
He'll be the one I beat down my bros with and I'll say "Pwnt By GAY!"
And they'll be like "Awww man we just got pwnt by gay..."
And Ike will be like "I'm GAY!"
And then pwn some more.
Fix'd that for yaGeoffrey is Elincia's adopted brother...
It could be the other way around, but I know they're siblings.
That's just... Fire Emblem...
I think it already go rated T.Well having a homosexual in a game wouldn't make it T. And I really doubt Brawl will have any reference to him being a homosexual, as it was never a storyline fueled game.
And if I'm not mistaken, Nintendo is shooting for an E rating this time around.
. . . You realize that claiming to have a verdict on Ike's sexuality when you spent the first 3/4 of your post explaining why a verdict can't be reached is hypocritical, yeah?With that, I am ready to release the verdict of the case of the Ike from Fire Emblem. The court finds the character in question.....
N-o-t G-a-y. Court is adjourned.
Well I found it necessary to log in...here it is
-A Support-
Ike: Hey, Soren.
Soren: ...
Ike: I've been thinking a lot about what you said the other day, and there's
something I still don't understand. You survived. You're strong. Why would
you feel insecure about who you are? Tell me. Tell me everything.
Soren: Curse you! Why can't you leave me be?! I don't have any friends, Ike!
I don't have anyone else! If I tell you and you turn on me... I... I... I
don't think I can survive it.
Ike: That's why you have to tell me, Soren. You'll never tell anyone else.
And if you don't tell anyone, you're just going to keep suffering. Look at
you! You're a mess! Come on. Talk to me.
Soren: Ike... I... I...
Ike: Soren, it's me! Trust me. I don't give two figs who your parents are!
I'll stand by you.
Soren: Ike, I... sniff... No, I won't... sniff... Ah, Ike... ...I'm...
Branded. I'm one of the Branded.
Ike: A Branded? What's that?
Soren: It's a cross between a beorc and a laguz. Such a taboo violates
every teaching of the goddess. And of society. We are untouchables.
Abominations. Condemned to a life of hatred and shunning from both races.
Ike: Wait, wait. Hold it a second. Let me make sure that I follow you...
You're part laguz?
Soren: Yeah. This mark on my forehead is the proof. I learned about it
while researching ancient books at the Mainal Cathedral. I always thought it
was a birthmark. Others thought that it was the mark of a Spirit Charmer.
Ike: What's a Spirit Charmer?
Soren: Magic comes from interaction with spirits. If you let one into your
body, it will give you tremendous power... for a price. That's why the old
sage was so interested in me. He thought I had struck such a deal. But
instead, I was just a filthy Branded.
Ike: All right. I understand. So?
Soren: ...What do you mean, "so?"
Ike: So, you have laguz blood in your veins. So, you have a mark to prove it.
So... What's the problem?
Soren: What's the problem...? Don't you find me repugnant!? I work beside you,
eat beside you. I'm nothing! I don't belong anywhere! Doesn't that sicken you?
Ike: No. It doesn't change anything. You're still you, Soren! You're a capable
officer of our army. And my friend. We can't keep going unless you are with
us.
Soren: ...Ike... I thought... I thought you...
Ike: What?
Soren: It was Gallia. The sage lived in Gallia. A few beorcs had settled there
and...
Ike: Gallia? Are you saying...
Soren: When the sage died, no one would help me. I couldn't speak. Couldn't
find food. I was dying. You were the only one who helped. You and your father.
That's why you're my friend. My... only friend.
-
So the basic gist of it ironically is that Ike is accepting of Soren no matter what kind of a person he is, given the topic at hand I find this oddly apt; anyhow back to the topic. Here we see two people sharing an emotional talk, this is not to say only people in relationships can hold emotional talks such as this, friends can and do talk like this at times. Also of note here is the apparent way in which Soren seems to regard Ike in...
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Soren: When the sage died, no one would help me. I couldn't speak. Couldn't
find food. I was dying. You were the only one who helped. You and your father.
That's why you're my friend. My... only friend.
-
Soren literally had no one to care for him or even be his friend. That's when Ike came along and the two made a strong friendship, on Soren's part because up until Ike he had had no one that would care if he died or not, this is why you see Soren get so emotional in this support conversation; Soren's practically never had a friend in his life before Ike. I bet you even in the Japanese version theres hardly anything changed, I'll bet you the conversation is just like the English one here, Soren and Ike are probably not saying things like "I love you" or "Let's be together." If anything the conversation really strikes me as something of a Gaara/Naruto friendship type of thing. All of Gaara's life he was only feared and looked down upon, then Naruto came and saw Gaara being not unlike himself and this caused Gaara to for the first time have a friend, which is why they're such good friends, the originatior of this topic is probably an avid fan of NarutoXGaara yaoi for all we know, solely because of what I have said about the two previously. "OMG NARUTO MADE GAARA GOOD, CLEARLY LOVERS!"
Just because someone -really- cares about a friendship with a friend does not make them homosexual. I mean really, come on...
"What's everyone else's feelings? Or have not enough of you finished RD with both A supports? I know for sure it's edited in the North American version, but to what extent, I'm not sure" -BigTru
HAVE YOU finished RD with both A supports, you say it's edited in the North American version, but you don't know to what extent, and yet you still make room for yourself to say that you KNOW Ike is gay? I particularly don't care if Ike is gay or not, I'd actually think it'd be neat to have such a badass looking dude actually be gay, but the fact of the matter is that just like BigTru here opens the thread by outright stating it as if it were fact that Ike was gay; so can we state it as fact Ike not being gay. And that there is what this is all truly about, it's not about wether his purported gayness is wrong or not, it's about BigTru saying Ike is indeed gay without he himself giving proof AND on the first post contradicting himself. So I'll let mine go down for record. Ike is not gay, think about it, if you were in the same situation and some guy had killed your dad; would you spend your life trying to exact revenge or looking for a nice girl to settle down with, this might explain why he bo? If one REALLY starts to think about things like these you'll see what is and what is not.
So rounding off, the mandatory Wikipedia quote.
"If two characters with a mutual romantic attraction, strong friendship, or other form of mutual connection engage in three support conversations throughout the game, the result will sometimes affect the game's ending.[16] Depending on the characters involved, such results could include marriage, a deepening of friendship, or a continued pursuit of their ongoing relationship."
And ending about the extremely large post. One last piece, just a piece of the support conversation A, Ike and Elincia.
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Elincia: Oh...er...that? That was...um... I was trying to fit in, my lord
Ike. To be rough and capable like the rest of you.
Ike: You caught me off guard with that one.
Elincia: Hee hee! It brings back memories. When I fled the capital and was
told about Crimea's defeat in Gallia... I prepared myself to live in crushing,
colorless despair for the rest of my days. But when I look back, I can see
there were some warm rays of hope...poking through.
Ike: You're right...
Elincia: Tomorrow, I will face King Daein and reclaim Crimea...or die in the
attempt. It is the only thing on my mind.
Ike: You employed me as a mercenary. I'll give you your money's worth!
...No. It means more than that... To my last breath, I will do all that I can
to ensure your dream...Elincia.
Elincia: Oh, Ike...
-
If you ask me, there's more evidence of a girlfriend/boyfriend type relationship in there than in Ike's and Soren's. Soren really just is attached to his best friend due to circumstances and Ike is genuinely worried about -his- best friend.
First off, that was more of a joke from playing too much Phoenix Wright more than anything. But not completely unfounded.. . . You realize that claiming to have a verdict on Ike's sexuality when you spent the first 3/4 of your post explaining why a verdict can't be reached is hypocritical, yeah?
That is what I said sir. To elaborate, he's not gay until proven otherwise. There is no in between. Ike has no justifications on homosexuality. That's the point. If the authors wanted him to be gay, they would have just done it. There was already another blatantly homosexual character in the game. This proves more than anything that the storyboard does not need to hint drop. Unless it's a tendency of the writers (CLAMP) to do that. And I'd think that a series where character ending's directly profess a love life past the game, they would not be afraid to just say "Ike and Soren loved each other forever"The writers say who is who and what is what. If Ike loves Soren, it would be outright said, or implied a bit more heavily than the half ***** "hints" that fangirls take so seriously.
Urg.Granted, I've got basically all of my information on Ike from these boards, and there doesn't seem to be anything that proves he's straight (like a marriage or some kind of direct confession of affection ) based on what I've seen here. So if my information's wrong, by all means, correct me.
I'll take your word for it. Never played (may the cyber jaw-dropping begin!).First off, that was more of a joke from playing too much Phoenix Wright more than anything. But not completely unfounded.
Other blatant homosexual characters or not, you don't know what the creators were thinking. I know that's an unoriginal response to your statement, but it's still true. Just because they have a history of making gay characters obvious doesn't mean they're ALL going to be that way. It's not like past precedent somehow makes them incapable of doing things differently. It's certainly POSSIBLE that the creators decided to hint drop THIS TIME. Do I think that's what they did? Based on what this thread has taught me, not really. But I can see how it could be interpreted that way. It's no more wrong to see the implication here than it is see the implication between any girl Ike may have had a heart-to-heart with.That is what I said sir. To elaborate, he's not gay until proven otherwise. There is no in between. Ike has no justifications on homosexuality. That's the point. If the authors wanted him to be gay, they would have just done it. There was already another blatantly homosexual character in the game. This proves more than anything that the storyboard does not need to hint drop. Unless it's a tendency of the writers (CLAMP) to do that. And I'd think that a series where character ending's directly profess a love life past the game, they would not be afraid to just say "Ike and Soren loved each other forever"
Agreed. When I first saw Ike (which was on the Dojo), I had no reason to believe he was gay. However, I now have more information since then. Do I think he's gay now? No, but I'm not so certain of his sexuality as I was before.Like with other people, the first assumption on anyone's behalf is that they're straight.
Was that necessary? I feel a little insulted.Think like a normal person.
That's right. Which is why I did automatically assume Ike was striaght. At first. This is a little different because I know more about Ike at this point than I do of this random man in your example. I know that Ike has had no female relationship and that he seems to be closer with Soren than anyone else. Even if the relationship is platonic, it's understandable that some eyebrows could be raised.You see a guy walk down the street, open his cell phone and cough twice, you don't have to think to yourself "Oh, I think he's straight". Natural tendency makes everyone straight until proven or reasonably assumed otherwise.
Ike doesn't need to be proven gay just to raise suspicion. You were in the right to say that this conversation with Soren doesn't prove Ike is gay, but it's still a complete possibility. This kind of heartfelt conversation has implications with certain people. It could be strong friendship (as I suspect) or it could be more. The same way a limp wrist could raise an eyebrow even though it might literally just be a straight guy, too lazy to keep his wrist stiff. You may see the wrist without thinking a second thought. Someone else may see it and mentally go "queer". I don't know which of you is right.By that logic, Ike is straight until someone can prove he's not with a actual strong point. You don't need proof, just like the guy in the above example doesn't need to yell out to you "Dude, I love *****! I'm totally straight!"
I didn't assume anything of the sort, so I'm afraid this wounded gazelle was needlessly slaughtered.Allow me to kill the weak arguements like a lion on a wounded gazelle.
1. He didn't get married so he must be gay!!
Very stupid to assume. Very many characters don't get married in the series. Really.
"your logic" as in MY logic, or "your logic" as in the logic of the hypothetical person you're using as an example to prove your point?2. He's the only lord to not get married to some girl! Gay!
First off, Ike isn't even a real lord. I thought his mismatched armor and tattered clothes would allude to the point that he's a common Mercenary. Secondly not getting a girl doesn't mean your gay. Hard to beleive, I know. Judging from some threads I've seen on this forum, I'd be safe to assume by your logic that most of the people who post on Smashboards are gay cause they're single.
True.3. Elincia loved him!!!1
And that doesn't mean he loves her back.
See. I didn't know that. I now have no reason to suspect he's gay. However, I still don't have a reason to assume he's straight. You were right when you brought up the point that we collectively run by the dictum that someone is "straight until proven gay", so that's pretty much the way I'll think of Ike from now on. That still doesn't MAKE him straight though, so your "verdict" about him not being gay isn't any less founded.4. A deep conversation was had between two males! Ike and Soren!
These kind of convos happen all the time in FE. Especially for the main character and their right hand man. Besides, if Ike was gay, he'd totally be all over Maklov and not Soren.
It seems that in your hurry to respond to me, you didn't grasp what my actual judgment was. As I've said a couple times previously in this post, I'm not positive he's gay, and at this point I'm leaning more toward straight simply out of probability (there are more straight people than gay people in the world).Urg.
So what the hell are you doing then? If you haven't played the game, you don't really know anything for sure. It's a possiblity that, the only convos you may have heard were ones that support your arguement. How can you pass judgement on a characters sexuality without experincing so much as his growth first?
Though his grab looks like it's gay, he's just grabbing them from behind, and, what looks like, stabbing them in the back. How did gayness come into this??Everyone get over it, Ike isn't going to make out with Snake in SSE(contrary to what you would think with Snake's grab), this is completely irrelevant to SSBB. I know that this thread will still get many posts and arguments, I just want people to know that this has nothing to do with THIS game.
Defensive? Think what you want.My, that's an awfully long and defensive post in response to my relatively short and passive one. I didn't really want to blow the discussion up again, but if you insist. . . .
Is suppose your halfway right. But remember this contradicts the argement of "all other lords had wives!!!1"Other blatant homosexual characters or not, you don't know what the creators were thinking. I know that's an unoriginal response to your statement, but it's still true. Just because they have a history of making gay characters obvious doesn't mean they're ALL going to be that way. It's not like past precedent somehow makes them incapable of doing things differently. It's certainly POSSIBLE that the creators decided to hint drop THIS TIME. Do I think that's what they did? Based on what this thread has taught me, not really. But I can see how it could be interpreted that way. It's no more wrong to see the implication here than it is see the implication between any girl Ike may have had a heart-to-heart with.
Hell, sounds gay to me. I'd find that better grounds for assumption than, "Look they're talking with emotions and the conversation lasted more than a sentence!"That's right. Which is why I did automatically assume Ike was striaght. At first. This is a little different because I know more about Ike at this point than I do of this random man in your example. I know that Ike has had no female relationship and that he seems to be closer with Soren than anyone else. Even if the relationship is platonic, it's understandable that some eyebrows could be raised.
Let me give you a counter example to your man walking down the street. There are two men walking down the street, and they're holding hands. Are they gay? Maybe. Would you say they're more likely to be gay than not? You may not, but some people would say yes, when, in fact, the hand holding could be nothing more than what it is. Is it so unreasonable for at least SOME suspicious to arise despite what could be a perfectly platonic gesture? I don't think so. People just judge things differently. The two men I described could be gay or straight; I myself don't know.
(Cut out the second part of your post. Look above for the rebuttal on that, to beat redundancy.)Ike doesn't need to be proven gay just to raise suspicion. You were in the right to say that this conversation with Soren doesn't prove Ike is gay, but it's still a complete possibility. This kind of heartfelt conversation has implications with certain people. It could be strong friendship (as I suspect) or it could be more.
The lack of a quote like the one above hopefully implied that these were not directly toward you.I didn't assume anything of the sort, so I'm afraid this wounded gazelle was needlessly slaughtered.
Supposedly. But developers and unless it's purposely brought into question, storywriters mostly don't ever inculde sexual orientation in a characters profile. The "straight until proven gay" mentailty backs this more often than not. When you have characters who go after every girl, do you assume that it's a safeguard to the thought of homosexuality but leaves other characters in the series vunerable to homosexuality? Just a general question.See. I didn't know that. I now have no reason to suspect he's gay. However, I still don't have a reason to assume he's straight. You were right when you brought up the point that we collectively run by the dictum that someone is "straight until proven gay", so that's pretty much the way I'll think of Ike from now on. That still doesn't MAKE him straight though, so your "verdict" about him not being gay isn't any less founded.
Because the conversation practically IS platonic. Check the last page where the acutal conversation is posted. The general point was how or why, this could be a demonstration of a more sexual affection.If someone can't use the "Ike never married a girl!" point to prove that he's gay, then why are you allowed to use the "the conversation between Ike and Soren coulld be platonic" point to prove that he's not?