I have been reading up on ice climbers for a while now and have gotten to be able to use them against my friends with some effectiveness. I still can't get the cgs down right but Im working on it. Now the problem is olimar. I had never played someone who had olimar as one of their mains. we played two matches and I was pretty epically beaten the first time. The second it was close on the last life but I found that he had no trouble seperating my ics. First of all his pikmin eat up my icicles I tried short hopping them over and had mixed success. all in all it was a losing exchange. squall works well but olimar was so good at seperating me that I couldn't squall. oli's dsmash hits nana off in such a ridiculous trajectory away from me that it makes it really hard to save her so she usually dies. olimar's grab range is larger than mine, I think he outranges me in a lot of situations. I usually get hit through uair. oli's smashes also work well to tear my ic's apart. I did a lot better the second time around but Im not sure what to do or if Im missing something. Any pointers? Thanks