SpiredMoth
Smash Journeyman
Ditto. All of this debating has been interesting and enlightening, but I think we're about done by now.
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SmashCAP 1: [CONCEPT ASSESSMENT]
- Thread starter Terywj [태리]
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If you were going for optimization, I would have already done this project by myself. The only thing I'd need after 5 minutes is spriting work. Ground/Water with Levitate or Ground/Ghost with Solid rock and my respective stat distributions are significantly better at the desired role than a Ghost/Water or a ghost/steel would ever be without base 640+ stats.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
The above is now the Uber BOC SmashCAP.
Now, since EVERYONE has left Anti-Taunt Ability idea in the dust, I propose Ghost/Steel to pack levitate instead, seeing as nobody gives a flying Muk poo about Anti-Taunt. Besides, all ghosts with a Ground weakness have levitate, so its not breaking any "laws of gamefreak" The Earth Power/Will-O-Wisp Ghost/Waters would be.
Tis the reason why Froslass doesn't get Will-O-Wisp, typing problems.
Ghost/Steel with Levitate beats Water/Ghost with Levitate. I guess me trying to stick to a FREAKING ORIGONAL IDEA with this has backfired on me in every way possible.
No Pursuit weakness. No EQ weakness.
Gliscor is a walk in the park. Metagross is intimidating, but it'll take Meteor Mashes to break through. TTar is stuck with Crunch or Fire Punch, and Fire moves in general are the only major problems in this world.
All your problems that you've complained about are now remedied, simply because of Levitate. Nobody stuck to the freaking origonal idea of an effecient Bulky Offensive Counter that had an Anti-Taunt ability but me. Now I've given you the fricking change in ability that every single one of you whined about. Fire is the only problem. Its not broken due to the commodity of fire moves bieng present always just for Scizor, but its also not weak because of the lone weakness.
I have done absolutely everything to this Ghost/Steel possible, through thick and thin, showed that it had a fighting chance, and now, your complaining paid off. Its now superior. Tell me why your Flying water spirit beats this and you win.
Ghost STAB has reasonable coverage, and clearly the movepool will be big enough to sport the moves it needs, nothing extraordinary is needed. I see no problems here. You rely on two moves that are illogical to sport from the general You-(dont-)find-moves-on-this-type rule. Water/Ghost will fail because the two moves the foundation of the Pokemon is set on, cannot be learned by it due to the nature of it.
Think guys, really. You can't win with moves that a Pokemon cannot learn.
SmashCAP1 is going to be a Ghost/Steel, more specially bulky than physically, with slightly low, but more balanced offensive stats with decent speed and low HP, to my prediction.
Hey now, no complaining about your ideas not getting enough support. You won't gain any by doing so.
I'd like for this stage of SmashCAP to draw closure so we can move on. Would someone recap the builds we're looking at so I can make a poll?
I'd like for this stage of SmashCAP to draw closure so we can move on. Would someone recap the builds we're looking at so I can make a poll?
Mewter
Smash Master
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Something like this:
-Ultimario's Ghost/Steel (Detailed Stats Here)
-Terywj's Ghost/Water (W/Levitate)
-Riddle's Water/Grass
-Pink Reaper's Fighting/Rock (W/Taunt-Neglecting Ability)
-Umbreon's Water/Ground (W/Levitate)
But it's so confusing, since there's ideas flying everywhere and changes being made. Why doesn't everyone recap their idea in one post (without saying anything about another CAP1 idea, because that clutters it)?
Yeah, that sounds good. Let's do that.
-Ultimario's Ghost/Steel (Detailed Stats Here)
-Terywj's Ghost/Water (W/Levitate)
-Riddle's Water/Grass
-Pink Reaper's Fighting/Rock (W/Taunt-Neglecting Ability)
-Umbreon's Water/Ground (W/Levitate)
But it's so confusing, since there's ideas flying everywhere and changes being made. Why doesn't everyone recap their idea in one post (without saying anything about another CAP1 idea, because that clutters it)?
Yeah, that sounds good. Let's do that.
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I can do Pink's Reaper's idea from our AIM convo:
Riddle
Smash Lord
MEwter mine gets anti-taunt too.
Mewter
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Cool, Ridde. Although, it would be better if you could re-elaborate on your idea in one post so it's clean and easy. Too many scattered extensions on one idea scattered throughout the topic. >_<
...Please?
Makes it hard to vote on a poll if you have badly-defined ideas.
@Umbreon
Lol. Silly conversation.
...Please?
Makes it hard to vote on a poll if you have badly-defined ideas.
@Umbreon
Lol. Silly conversation.
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Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
We'll need to reference the major support post for each one.
I'll resubmit mine once I reedit it.
-Terywj
I'll resubmit mine once I reedit it.
-Terywj
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
BUMP
Can all the members who presented their typing idea either post or PM Spire with the support post, so we can organize the poll. I think it's been long enough.
In case you were wondering the ideas that have been submitted are:
-Ultimario's Ghost/Steel
-Terywj's Ghost/Water (w/Levitate)
-Riddle's Water/Grass
-Pink Reaper's Fighting/Rock (w/Anti-Taunt ability)
-Umbreon's Water/Ground (w/Levitate)
-Terywj
Can all the members who presented their typing idea either post or PM Spire with the support post, so we can organize the poll. I think it's been long enough.
In case you were wondering the ideas that have been submitted are:
-Ultimario's Ghost/Steel
-Terywj's Ghost/Water (w/Levitate)
-Riddle's Water/Grass
-Pink Reaper's Fighting/Rock (w/Anti-Taunt ability)
-Umbreon's Water/Ground (w/Levitate)
-Terywj
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Alright. I edited it in.
I have already PMed my short support post to Spire. The rest of you need to do the same if you have not already done so. Another thing I forgot to mention is try to summarize your theorymon shortly. We don't want voters staring a page-full of ideas why SmashCAP 1 should be said type.
-Terywj
I have already PMed my short support post to Spire. The rest of you need to do the same if you have not already done so. Another thing I forgot to mention is try to summarize your theorymon shortly. We don't want voters staring a page-full of ideas why SmashCAP 1 should be said type.
-Terywj
I like that I get credit for Rock/Fighting. It was Art's idea lol.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
whose gonna write up Umberons?
Neo Exdeath
Smash Ace
Depends. Does anyone know how long is he banned for?
Riddle
Smash Lord
Official Submission
Water/Grass
Resistances - Water (x4), Steel, Ground
Weaknesses - Flying, Poison, Bug
While these may seem a tad underwhelming they work quite well with this pokemons goal, which will be explained in a moment. Water, Steel, and Ground are all very common attacking types in OU, whereas Flying, Poison, and Bug are all seldom used. The only common OU attack that hits this pokemon super-effectively is U-turn which is only run on CB Scizor and has relatively low base power and so with suitable defenses it won't do all that much damage.
Role - This pokemon will function as a counter for users of the move Taunt.
This set is specifically designed to stop every taunter in OU. Its obviously not taunt bait and is a good general wall and Toxic spreader.
Gyarados @ Leftovers
~ Dragon Dance
~ Taunt
~ Waterfall
~ Return / Stone Edge / Earthquake / Bounce
Ahh gyarados the most omnipresent taunter in OU. If it gets a phazing move phazing it out can do 25% SR damage. Toxic (everyhing gets it) can kill him. Waterfall is 4x resisted, Earthquake is resisted, Stone Edge and Return are neutral. You can protect (everyone gets it) on Bounce's hit and it does nothing.
Gliscor @ Leftovers
~ Earthquake
~ Taunt
~ Roost
~ U-turn / Toxic / Stealth Rock
Earthquake is resisted, Toxic is manageable, especially if you have a Heal Bell user. U-turn can do some damage, but without STAB and with the low base power it won't be that bad.
Gliscor @ Lum Berry / Yache Berry
~ Swords Dance
~ Rock Polish
~ Taunt
~ Baton Pass
If CAP1 gets a phazing move its completely shut down. Otherwise it sets up mostly the same.
Azelf @ Focus Sash
~ Explosion
~ Stealth Rock
~ Taunt
~ Fire Blast / Psychic
If you can predict an Explosion than Protect (everyone gets it) works perfectly. Fire Blast and Psychic both hit neutrally and with decent defenses should be readily shrugged off.
Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
~ Taunt
~ Stealth Rock
~ Rock Slide
~ Earthquake
Earthquake is resisted and Rock Slide is shrugged off.
As you can see none of OU's common taunters threaten this pokemon whereas standard stall teams have a very hard time countering them. Not only does this fill a hole that stall teams have, but it is a unique concept for a pokemon that hasn't been done before. Whereas many of the other pokemon are just better versions of current pokemon this one can really teach us more about the metagame and provide a whole new dimension.
I hope you vote for me as I think this will bring CAP1 in a good direction.
Water/Grass
Resistances - Water (x4), Steel, Ground
Weaknesses - Flying, Poison, Bug
While these may seem a tad underwhelming they work quite well with this pokemons goal, which will be explained in a moment. Water, Steel, and Ground are all very common attacking types in OU, whereas Flying, Poison, and Bug are all seldom used. The only common OU attack that hits this pokemon super-effectively is U-turn which is only run on CB Scizor and has relatively low base power and so with suitable defenses it won't do all that much damage.
Role - This pokemon will function as a counter for users of the move Taunt.
This move is used commonly to break stall for obvious reasons. Pokemon under the effect of taunt can't heal themselves, set up entry hazards, or use status moves or phazing moves. Since, stall teams generally can not do very much direct damage so this allows the Taunter to set up or just attack common stallers. However, this pokemon would be able immune to the effects of Taunt and so could phaze or status the taunter. Common OU users of this strategy are Gyarados, Gliscor, Azelf, and Aerodactyl. Let's see how this pokemon would fare against the standard sets of these pokemon:
This set is specifically designed to stop every taunter in OU. Its obviously not taunt bait and is a good general wall and Toxic spreader.
Gyarados @ Leftovers
~ Dragon Dance
~ Taunt
~ Waterfall
~ Return / Stone Edge / Earthquake / Bounce
Ahh gyarados the most omnipresent taunter in OU. If it gets a phazing move phazing it out can do 25% SR damage. Toxic (everyhing gets it) can kill him. Waterfall is 4x resisted, Earthquake is resisted, Stone Edge and Return are neutral. You can protect (everyone gets it) on Bounce's hit and it does nothing.
Gliscor @ Leftovers
~ Earthquake
~ Taunt
~ Roost
~ U-turn / Toxic / Stealth Rock
Earthquake is resisted, Toxic is manageable, especially if you have a Heal Bell user. U-turn can do some damage, but without STAB and with the low base power it won't be that bad.
Gliscor @ Lum Berry / Yache Berry
~ Swords Dance
~ Rock Polish
~ Taunt
~ Baton Pass
If CAP1 gets a phazing move its completely shut down. Otherwise it sets up mostly the same.
Azelf @ Focus Sash
~ Explosion
~ Stealth Rock
~ Taunt
~ Fire Blast / Psychic
If you can predict an Explosion than Protect (everyone gets it) works perfectly. Fire Blast and Psychic both hit neutrally and with decent defenses should be readily shrugged off.
Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
~ Taunt
~ Stealth Rock
~ Rock Slide
~ Earthquake
Earthquake is resisted and Rock Slide is shrugged off.
As you can see none of OU's common taunters threaten this pokemon whereas standard stall teams have a very hard time countering them. Not only does this fill a hole that stall teams have, but it is a unique concept for a pokemon that hasn't been done before. Whereas many of the other pokemon are just better versions of current pokemon this one can really teach us more about the metagame and provide a whole new dimension.
I hope you vote for me as I think this will bring CAP1 in a good direction.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
The only thing that makes me worry with Umbreon's is this.
Other than that.....
Good Luck to you all, may the best man w-....
Oh who am I kidding. We all want ours to win, because we all think we're the "best man".
Either I'm reading this wrong, or Umbreon is claiming that Water/Ground with Levitate is good enough even with low BST to be Uber.
Other than that.....
Good Luck to you all, may the best man w-....
Oh who am I kidding. We all want ours to win, because we all think we're the "best man".
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
And um...Riddle...SUPPORT POST not OMGLOOKHERESALLTHEMOVESETS post...
Please shorten it and remove the movesets and whatnot. Those are for a later stage.
-Terywj
Please shorten it and remove the movesets and whatnot. Those are for a later stage.
-Terywj
Riddle
Smash Lord
The moveset was just a possibility showing what he could do to stop taunters.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
Only use move that are Type-Based, or are TMs every Pokemon learns, such as Protect.
Other than that, don't include moves(ets), because we'll determine that in the movepool discussion. Two moves you have violates that rule, so therefore, just say how it can counter pokemon in general ways, with how the pokemon will work, etc, not a TRUE set.
Other than that, don't include moves(ets), because we'll determine that in the movepool discussion. Two moves you have violates that rule, so therefore, just say how it can counter pokemon in general ways, with how the pokemon will work, etc, not a TRUE set.
Riddle
Smash Lord
I fixed it just for you.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
I believe Riddle's is on the previous page with edits?
-Terywj
-Terywj
WhoIsMrBlack
Smash Cadet
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Sorry if we're not supposed to ask questions like this...
How and when will the artwork/sprite of this Pokemon be gone about?
I'm not much of an artist but I enjoy spriting, I'd like to make a submission there when the time comes around.
How and when will the artwork/sprite of this Pokemon be gone about?
I'm not much of an artist but I enjoy spriting, I'd like to make a submission there when the time comes around.
That's the last stage, mang. I know, I'm looking forward to it too.
Umbreon's write up.umbreon said:
Riddle
Smash Lord
Just mentioning that Umbreon's concept looks like bulky offense to me.
83/100/100 defenses
110 SpA
Also "We do this by carrying a typing that is both defensively valuable while carrying effective stabs "
83/100/100 defenses
110 SpA
Also "We do this by carrying a typing that is both defensively valuable while carrying effective stabs "
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
All that remains is the Fighting / Rock support from Art or Pink Reaper.
-Terywj
-Terywj
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
BUMP
I'm giving Pink Reaper / Articanus / whoever made the Rock / Fighting build 2 days to PM their support post to Spire. After that it will not be eligible for the typing poll.
-Terywj
I'm giving Pink Reaper / Articanus / whoever made the Rock / Fighting build 2 days to PM their support post to Spire. After that it will not be eligible for the typing poll.
-Terywj
Waynebruce
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Amazing, didnt know SB had it own CAP project.
Btw i participated in smogon`s (from 3 to 9) CAP =P
But i wont participate in this one. The reason? I want to see what you guys can do to stop BO.
Edit: just read some pages. You guys are good (IMO, and not wanting to be prepotent.) =]
Edit2: Everybody is talking about taunt. sorry, i havent read the whole discussion, but i can say a thing: from the 6 main BO (Scizor, Salamence, Heatran, Gyarados, Rotom, and Latias ) only 2 (Heatran and Gyara) use taunt.
Btw i participated in smogon`s (from 3 to 9) CAP =P
But i wont participate in this one. The reason? I want to see what you guys can do to stop BO.
Edit: just read some pages. You guys are good (IMO, and not wanting to be prepotent.) =]
Edit2: Everybody is talking about taunt. sorry, i havent read the whole discussion, but i can say a thing: from the 6 main BO (Scizor, Salamence, Heatran, Gyarados, Rotom, and Latias ) only 2 (Heatran and Gyara) use taunt.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Spire, please make the typing poll with support posts at 6:00 PM EST. (I dunno where you live, so just translate it into your time zone)
If Articanus or Reaper don't submit the support post by then don't add it.
-Terywj
If Articanus or Reaper don't submit the support post by then don't add it.
-Terywj