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Many characters like the ones you mentioned will be left out anyway, what with there only being two slots left. We had the wildcard vote yesterday so that any character had the chance to get in, and most of the characters you mentioned weren't even proposed. You say we don't need more villains, and you're entitled to thinking that, but we don't need anything, and the villain prompt was well received when it was proposed.
That's fair; I just thought that there was a decent amount of enthusiasm when the concept was first brought up, and even if there wasn't a villain nomination, there'd still only be about two spots left (at least for the base game) - certainly not enough to include all of those characters. Up until Ultimate, Smash was criticized for not having many playable villains, and yet even Brawl might have had more playable villains than what we currently have (Heihachi, Pyramid Head, Sweet Tooth, Dr. Nefarious), depending on how you look at the likes of Wario, Meta Knight, and Dedede.
Circumstances were very different back then. The prompt was well received because there were hardly any villains in our roster at all, and there were still plenty of slots available after the fact.
I'm not sure if people missed this (I probably write way too much for my own good, so it was likely buried in there), but the nominations don't have to be from series that are already in the game; you could nominate Sephiroth, or Abby from the Last of Us, or Shang Tsung, or any villain as long as they've been on a PlayStation console and aren't from a licensed/Nintendo/Microsoft game. (though if you still want to nominate Cortex, you can stick with him)
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Yokta
brought up a Multi-Man Battle style mode, while
GoodGrief741
brought up a mode where only Supers KO like in the original game, but that was about it. I was wondering if anyone else had ideas for modes that could be in a game like this.
People can just choose not to vote.
That makes no sense. There's no record of not voting, so there's literally no way to prevent one of these characters from being added to the roster and blocking out an entire category of nominations.
Well, that's just how democracies work. If you really don't want any of these characters, you could have just proposed your own character.
I couldn't propose my own character because I didn't want any more villains! That's why I specifically nominated to leave the slot vacant. Where was the democracy when we decided that we weren't going to let a non-villain take the slot that would potentially block all first- or third-party characters from the final roster?
People keep bringing up that initial veteran voting like it's the ultimate measurement of popularity when it was explicitly for a big, first reveal of the game, and people were encouraged to vote for characters they thought would be exciting. Note how some characters who didn't get any votes in it like Fat Princess or Spike ended up being quite popular in dedicated veteran voting. Same with the shooter voting: It's unfair to compare most characters with Ratchet and Clank.
I'm not sure if Radec being the one who's currently winning the poll is a sign that people aren't excited for the category, but so far, it hasn't seemed like an especially popular one, so I'll redo the poll with "none of the above" as an option.
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I went back and checked the voting results. Radec was eligible for votes three times. For the reveal veteran and shooter categories, Radec received a third of the votes he would have needed to be added to the roster. For the mass veteran vote, however, Radec did not receive a single vote! Big Daddy received 4 votes in that poll, and yet he wasn't even nominated for this wave of villain votes. Is it not plausible that we as a community would prefer not to have villains in these last slots?
I think themed is the way to go, it lets us be more varied in our picks. General prompts usually have the biggest characters win (not that there's anything wrong with that!).I'm not sure if Radec being the one who's currently winning the poll is a sign that people aren't excited for the category, but so far, it hasn't seemed like an especially popular one, so I'll redo the poll with "none of the above" as an option.
With shooters, I left it as-is since it was early on (before we had the big veteran poll), but with so few characters left, I'd rather not force a character into the game if people aren't enthusiastic about it.
Which character should be added to the roster?
Vote Now! [Zeus (God of War)] [Col. Radec (Killzone)] [Calypso (Twisted Metal)] [Dr. Cortex (Crash Bandicoot)] [None of the above]
If people don't want any of those characters to be included, I'm not sure whether to leave the last spots open to any character or to go with a different theme. If anyone has suggestions for a theme, let me know, but I'm thinking it might be best to leave whatever nominations we have left (whether it's for one character or two) completely open so that people can nominate whichever characters they feel to be missing from the current line-up.
You say "we as a community" but so far in the strawpoll the people who voted for a character outnumber the ones that voted for none.
By one.
And your point is? If you like democracy so much you should know that the majority can be one more than the minority.
Look pal you aren't very convincing using words like cruel and calling votes invalid just because they aren't coming up how you like them. It's just a forum game.
I suppose I'm to blame for using only two words, but that was never the point I was trying to make. A lead of one vote is not a convincing enough margin to formulate an argument, especially when less than half of the voting period has elapsed.
To be clear, he wouldn't necessarily be the final first party character in the roster if he wins the poll. The twelve third party characters is a limit that I wanted to stick to, but we don't need to fill all twelve slots. (I just didn't want to risk a massive part of the roster being third party - with a concept like PlayStation All Stars, it seems like it would be extremely easy to go overboard on including third party characters and wind up downplaying Sony's own franchises)
It is true that the last character technically doesn't have to be a third party, but in practice I don't see a first-party character winning in that scenario. If the previous wildcard round was any indication, most of us would prefer to nominate a third-party character if given the opportunity. That's why I've assumed that the next first-party character to be added will be the last.
Admittedly, I had a specific villain category because it had been brought up earlier, and I was expecting more nominations. There were plenty of examples beyond the half-dozen that I mentioned when I brought up the concept - Baldur from God of War, Ripto from Spyro, Father Gascoigne from Bloodborne, Shang Tsung or Shao Khan from Mortal Kombat, the Boss or Liquid Ocelot (or even Big Boss) from Metal Gear, Jecht from Final Fantasy X, a villain from inFamous (assuming that there's one with superpowers; I haven't played those games), maybe even Raven from Gravity Rush (from what I've seen, she's an antagonist for part of the game, which tends to be enough for Smash to lump Meta Knight and Dark Pit into the villains category) - but nobody nominated any of them.
I was surprised that nobody went with Vergil. He seemed like the most natural for the category. I guess we might be waiting for DLC to make him playable, as is tradition.
Either that or waiting for PlayStation All Stars 2: Special Edition.
i think no one suggested him because in the 5th game he turned over a new leaf?
To be fair, that argument could also be applied to Cortex.
Like I said on the original post, we still don't have a more "random" character and this is our last spot and I don't really see that type of characters being a dlc. They also got way more votes than what I expected so I'm glad people seems to liked them despite being pretty obscure.
it's okay to feel sorry, when we make some decisions like that it makes some people unhappy. Hopefully if you decide to do DLC next time you'll do things right.
The Survivor from Dead By Daylight
The Survivor is a victim sent into the realm of the Entity, who throws various people into it's realm were they try to survive from a serial killer sent by the being. the group of survivors ranged from a large number of characters though originally this game started with 4 survivors which are who i choose to represent here(i'd probably throw in four more characters but no licenses), the main survivor would be Dwight or Jake as the default character while the others you can switch in the menu similar to alternate costumes, they aren't great for fighting, but their arsenal would be based on various perks and items from their home game.
Dead by Daylight first appeared on PC until it later was ported onto other consoles including PS4, while it isn't one of the most popular games even on the Playstation Side it has become more recognizably popular to the horror genre and is still generating some support.
If Dead by Daylight were to ever get anything playable representation they likely use a Killer, however, i feel the survivor could work as well since adding a killer would mean picking one out of all the unique ones were as the survivors all play the same and they'd try to be creative with them.
PS1 is red, PS2 is blue, PS3 is yellow, PS4 is green and handheld consoles are purple. Anyone feel free to correct me on any mistakes, I'm not familiar with all the characters we added. Anyway, assuming I did correctly, this gives me these numbers:
My main concern with Sora is that, as far as I can tell, he's owned by Disney, much like Spider-Man. (everything in Kingdom Hearts is copyrighted by Disney aside from what's specifically credited to Square-Enix and other parties like Edgar Rice Burroughs, and that seems to include the Kingdom Hearts original characters)The last character: Sora
Sora and Kingdom Hearts should need no introduction, so let me get straight to what he can do and why he should be added.
Anyone who's played Kingdom Hearts knows that Sora has an insane arsenal of powers, abilities and weapons. Too many, in fact; he would probably require a distillation on the level of Dante. Still, just to inform the uninformed, here's a non-exhaustive list of what Sora could bring to a fighting game:
- Magic - lots of it
- Gliding
- Switching between multiple Keyblades (maybe some with original, PS-inspired designs)
- Drive Forms (basically a stance system)
- Shotlocks (a first-person reticule where you mark as many opponents as you can before unleashing a powerful attack - definitely a Super)
- Flowmotion (parkour on steroids, allowing Sora to chain jumps from surface to surface and even run up walls)
- Formchanges (a similar system to Drive Forms but it changes depending on the Keyblade)
- Attraction Flow (Sora summons stuff like rollercoasters and carousels to attack - probably Super material)
- Skateboarding!
Kingdom Hearts is one of the biggest RPG franchise with a very dedicated following. It's also strongly linked with PlayStation, originating on the PS2 and having many of its biggest games as exclusives (KHII and Birth By Sleep), not to mention all the collections being made for PlayStation and only debuting on other platforms later, if at all. He would function as a rep for that fondly remembered PS1-PS2 Square Enix RPG era that is partially credited for the success of PlayStation. Sora would be a huge character to go out on, a true internet breaker to show the world this is a game to be taken seriously.
I figured that "must be on a PlayStation console" went without saying; it would be weird to have a game called PlayStation All Stars where one of the characters has never actually been on a PlayStation console. (also, DmC: Devil May Cry had already been announced for PlayStation 3 at the time, and I'm not sure if that's the best example to cite in general given the reaction that its inclusion was met with) Unless a PS5 port is announced in the next twelve hours, I'd suggest nominating a different character.