Smash WiiU & 3DS Miiverse Daily Pic - August 19th

[PhantimGanon]

I know, if you read the first paragraph in my post you will see that I say that even though a woman designed the costume, Sakurai was her boss. He asked her to create that outfit. She was just doing her job, and may very well have been disgusted by it.

So if we've decided to really dig into gender politics and ingrained patterns of thought and action then I think it's fitting for me to comment that your assumptions that Samus (being fictional) has no agency and the assumption that her designer (being a woman employed by a man?) has no agency are pretty different. I seems to me a little sexist that you assume Samus's lead designer was exclusively following orders against her will. Granted: Sakurai clearly tossed that tidbit into the post to cover his ass, but none of the rest of us had trouble accepting the implications that she fought for this design and worked hard for this design out of a personal desire to see it completed--probably due to some serious Metroid love. The fact that you chose to assume that either Sakurai was lying or that the implication was somehow that he was a task-master rather than a skeptic turns both Samus and her designer into victims. Why? Why assume the woman mentioned in this post was another damsel? Aren't we supposed to be resisting the damsel stereotype as a blanket assumption for women? Seems to reflect either a poor assessment of her agency or a narrow definition of feminism. Do you think that her goals and ideas must so closely align with your own that she'd be appalled by a skimpier costume despite its place in the canon? It seems sexist to think that its more likely this designer was being forced to slave away on this design rather than believe (as we have been led to) that she really wanted to get it in. It could have been empowering. It could have been a woman fighting for her vision for a strong female character's representation in light of her bosses skepticism. It could have been a determined designer purposefully appropriating a kick-ass woman's sexuality (if you choose to view the costume as overtly sexual) because while women are not limited to being sexual objects they certainly have a right to be as sexy as they want and should never have to choose between being admired/respected/feared and being feminine/sexual/comfortable. I think a true feminist and equalist would probably prefer to see it that way, right?

 

[☆Jazz☆]

1) Captain Falcon is a fictional character, and is incapable of thoughts, emotions or desires. He is not real. He doesn't "dress" in any way, rather his appearance is decided by his designers, as is his every other attribute.

2) Captain Falcon has never been given a sexual orientation by his designers, and so has none. As far as his existence is concened, sex and sexual/romantic attraction don't exist. He seems to really like racing space cars and punching things though.

3) Captain Falcon can't be dressed "like a [homo]". It is impossible to dress "like" any particular orientation, as there is nothing linking our appearance to what attracts us or how we identify our attractions. These are two entirety seperate things.

4) Being a "real man" has nothing to do with this.

5) Even if none of the above points are true, dressing in any particular way has no bearing on who a person is. Captain Falcon, were he a real person, could not become more or less manly depending on his clothing. Clothing is not a person, only a facade.

6) Captain Falcon doesn't give a **** what you think.

Yes! His comment probably already offended alot of people. *sigh* What world do we live in, with what kind of people?

 

[Critzilean]

FAN SERVICE DETECTED

To be fair, Smash as a series is based off of pure fan service, albeit a different kind

 

[ihskeyp]

Only whiny parents will complain about this. Smash has been rated T since Melee anyways, and the only "partial nudity" in that game were things like Peach's panties "accidentally" showing up or Captain Falcon's skin-tight suit showing his chocolate bar abs and bum-bum (the later applies to Snake in Brawl too).

Samus wearing short shorts? This isn't even a bikini. Girls dress like this at my gym, some even like wearing this during the summer. The point is, they LIKE to wear clothes like this (hopefully none are being forced to do so). Whether it's to go to a party, work out, or just because they like the way they feel, that varies between.

Honestly, if it gets raised to T, I think it will be more because of the "fighting" game part. Solving problems through violence (however cartoonish) always raises issues with the ESRB.

Lool, since when does femenist = "I demand MALE chests!!!!" ? Maybe some of the demands are coming from femenists, but others could be from straight guys and girls trolling trollers in general, and female smashers or gay men who actually want to see them in lumber-jack positions.

I do agree though, these are actual costumes from the Metroid series, and the only other characters that would make sense to see them in beach clothes or something similar would be ones that already have been shown, like Robin and Lucina, from that Beach map DLC in FE: Awakening.

I've been looking on tumblr, yeah not all are feminists, but I have seen multiple self-proclaimed feminists on tumblr straight up say they want to see men half naked so that it's fair, which is stupid.

 

[liets]

So if we've decided to really dig into gender politics and ingrained patterns of thought and action then I think it's fitting for me to comment that your assumptions that Samus (being fictional) has no agency and the assumption that her designer (being a woman employed by a man?) has no agency are pretty different. I seems to me a little sexist that you assume Samus's lead designer was exclusively following orders against her will. Granted: Sakurai clearly tossed that tidbit into the post to cover his ***, but none of the rest of us had trouble accepting the implications that she fought for this design and worked hard for this design out of a personal desire to see it completed--probably due to some serious Metroid love. The fact that you chose to assume that either Sakurai was lying or that the implication was somehow that he was a task-master rather than a skeptic turns both Samus and her designer into victims. Why? Why assume the woman mentioned in this post was another damsel? Aren't we supposed to be resisting the damsel stereotype as a blanket assumption for women? Seems to reflect either a poor assessment of her agency or a narrow definition of feminism. Do you think that her goals and ideas must so closely align with your own that she'd be appalled by a skimpier costume despite its place in the canon? It seems sexist to think that its more likely this designer was being forced to slave away on this design rather than believe (as we have been led to) that she really wanted to get it in. It could have been empowering. It could have been a woman fighting for her vision for a strong female character's representation in light of her bosses skepticism. It could have been a determined designer purposefully appropriating a kick-*** woman's sexuality (if you choose to view the costume as overtly sexual) because while women are not limited to being sexual objects they certainly have a right to be as sexy as they want and should never have to choose between being admired/respected/feared and being feminine/sexual/comfortable. I think a true feminist and equalist would probably prefer to see it that way, right?

Woop woop lovin' this post!

 

[Da Black Rabbit]

As a cherry pie loving, kitty cat petting, camel toe manicuring, melon eating, bum tipping man... I FREAKING DEMAND SHIRTLESS WARIO, GANONDORF, AND DE DE DE!

...You know, for dem weird furry types. >.> It's only fair, right?

 

[Derekburn]

Yes! His comment probably already offended alot of people. *sigh* What world do we live in, with what kind of people?

I'm just being honest, does it not look like something he man would wear?

 

[Critzilean]

I honestly don't see how this is any different from characters like Mac and Falcon who have big rippling muscles and are wearing skin tight shirts :/

 

[zanryo]

'Kids Game'
It is rated T for a reason

Also, Im sure there are going to be red and green variants for these alt codtumes. Idk

 

[itsameluigi1290]

I know, if you read the first paragraph in my post you will see that I say that even though a woman designed the costume, Sakurai was her boss. He asked her to create that outfit. She was just doing her job, and may very well have been disgusted by it.

IDK, he was the one who said it was impossible to get it done. That makes it seem like she took it upon herself to make it.

But hey, it's not my place to judge someone based on what offends them or not. I didn't mean to come off as rude.

 

[DavemanCozy]

I'm just being honest, does it not look like something he man would wear?

According to cultural stereotypes, you're right. Men don't usually wear clothes like those. But why should we conform to these cultural stereotypes in the first place? That's dangerous territory.

Honestly, people should be free to wear whatever they want without being insulted. I'm not asking you to like what Falcon wears. That's absurd, we're all entitled to enjoy and dislike whatever we choose. You're free to criticize it too. But not liking something doesn't give you entitlement to bash it with homophobic comments either: there's a fine line between criticism and hatred, and you shouldn't expect people to be ok with offensive comments like those. That's also absurd.

 

[itsameluigi1290]

'Kids Game'
It is rated T for a reason

Also, Im sure there are going to be red and green variants for these alt codtumes. Idk

Well, the 3DS version is rated E10 actually. The Wii U version is probably the same, but you never know.

 

[Claire Diviner]

Hm? You mean you been expecting something like this the whole time?

Yeah, back during Brawl. When it was revealed Wario had an alt costume, I was sure Zero Suit Samus would too, but no, she didn't, and so I was disappointed. Of course, the reason is obvious, unless they were willing to give Samus more colors to go with Zamus' alt. Still, I'm glad they finally used this look.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

I don't understand the feminists saying 'now give us shirtless male characters'.... Um, these outfits are straight from the metroid series. This is a game about nintendos history. Shirtless captain falcon is NOT part of nintendos history.

Although shirtless chrom and by extension marth is a thing from in Fire Emblem

 

[ihskeyp]

Although shirtless chrom and by extension marth is a thing from in Fire Emblem

Yeah, through non-canon dlc. And Chrom isn't playable anyway, so that's irrelevant.

 

[Derekburn]

Well, after showing everyone how "homophobic" I am (not really), lets hope that the pic of the day tomorrow is another veteran, or even better, a newcomer! Even though I was surprisingly pleased with today's pic of the day.

 

[Tino]

Though I don't see what the big is about today's Pic of the Day. I means kids under the age of 10 aren't even allowed to play Smash Bros. anyways so all they're doing is wasting their breaths.

And there is a possibility that the Wii U version will have the same E10+ rating too, if not then T for Teen rating just like Melee and Brawl.

 

[TopTierPichu]

The Captain Falcon is no homo, so why should he dress like one? The Captain is a real man!

I wasnt aware sexuality was the equivalent to gender, cmon kid grow up a bit

 

[Uffe]

People please... why is this bad for kids?
Kids go to beaches too... I think that there's even more harmfull material than No-Suit-Samus. Stop being so hypocritical and prudish. Get real plz

I find it funny that some people will worry about kids playing a game with a woman in scantly clad, but when violence is the main theme of the game, it's not an issue.

 

[The21stSmasher]

Yeah, back during Brawl. When it was revealed Wario had an alt costume, I was sure Zero Suit Samus would too, but no, she didn't, and so I was disappointed. Of course, the reason is obvious, unless they were willing to give Samus more colors to go with Zamus' alt. Still, I'm glad they finally used this look.

That is true. There were not that many costumes in Brawl.

 

[L9999]

Sakurai: Its impossible! There's not enough time to do this!

Alfonzo: Leave it to me!

Screw the stupid Alfonzo meme! Also, why this thread suddenly turned into a sexuality and feminist debate? What the hell does Captain Falcon has to do with any of this?

I find it funny that some people will worry about kids playing a game with a woman in scantly clad, but when violence is the main theme of the game, it's not an issue.

Finally somebody with a clear mind! You made my day Uffe.

 

[Derekburn]

I wasnt aware sexuality was the equivalent to gender, cmon kid grow up a bit

Who you calling kid 17? And there is a difference between being a man and being a male. That's where the phrase "real men something something something" comes into play

 

[TopTierPichu]

Who you calling kid 17? And there is a difference between being a man and being a male. That's where the phrase "real men something something something" comes into play

there is no such thing as a "real man", It is a sexist thought meant to ridicule those people who dont exist in the false dichotomy you live in. I know gay people who are the very DEFINITION of masculinity but because of their sexuality you would automatically say they are less of a man than you and I, grow up kid, it may be evident that I am 17 b ut unlike you I chose to educate myself and liberate my self from ignorance perhaps you should do the same

 

[Rasko]

Super Smash Bros. for WiiU & 3DS director Masahiro Sakurai said: "Pic of the day. Looking at the number of days we have left for development, it would be an impossible task to create this… That's what I told my staff. But thanks to the determination of her female designer, these Zero Suit outfits got completed in time. From the ending of Metroid: Zero Mission, here's Samus in shorts!"

He also included a second picture saying "Here's a look at the 3DS version. You can use the same outfit variations in both the 3DS and Wii U versions."

LOL, I guess some fan service in smash is necessary.

 

[Derekburn]

there is no such thing as a "real man", It is a sexist thought meant to ridicule those people who dont exist in the false dichotomy you live in. I know gay people who are the very DEFINITION of masculinity but because of their sexuality you would automatically say they are less of a man than you and I, grow up kid, it may be evident that I am 17 b ut unlike you I chose to educate myself and liberate my self from ignorance perhaps you should do the same

Yes there is. . . . my definition of a real man is better than yours, deal with it. Do I have to bring up what my definition of a real woman is? I'm sure you won't agree with that either.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Yes there is. . . . my definition of a real man is better than yours, deal with it. Do I have to bring up what my definition of a real woman is? I'm sure you won't agree with that either.

My opinion is the best, therefore it's the only one. That's all I heard

 

[TopTierPichu]

Yes there is. . . . my definition of a real man is better than yours, deal with it. Do I have to bring up what my definition of a real woman is? I'm sure you won't agree with that either.

A definition is only a definition if it is correct, otherwise its ignorant text

 

[Rasko]

Yes there is. . . . my definition of a real man is better than yours, deal with it. Do I have to bring up what my definition of a real woman is? I'm sure you won't agree with that either.

A real man owns up to his mistakes, supports his family and puts them above himself, loyal too his wife/gf, can take care of himself, and is respectful to those around him.

 

[Derekburn]

A definition is only a definition if it is correct, otherwise its ignorant text

No, actually my definition is the real definition of a real man. No one talks about this, that is why the definition isn't known very well.

 

[TopTierPichu]

No, actually my definition is the real definition of a real man. No one talks about this, that is why the definition isn't known very well.

are you sure you are 19 I fell like im talking with some spoiled 10 year old brat

 

[liets]

Post upon post upon post upon post about a certain topic

HNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

 

[DevaAshera]

No, actually my definition is the real definition of a real man. No one talks about this, that is why the definition isn't known very well.

Definition of a man.
Man: A Male Adult
Definition of a woman.
Woman: A Female Adult

My definitions are best and factual.

 

[The Derrit]

I don't care. Being a homo is a choice, people may not notice it but it IS psychological, sometimes you have to train yourself to like the right gender through mental exercises. But if a person just likes being gay then well they're asking for the consequences.

This line of thinking is not only morbidly incorrect but incredibly off topic, incredibly offensive and 1000% inappropriate.

You now have 5 points. I advise you to tread carefully, and not talk about these things on this website anymore. Have a nice day.

 

[Derekburn]

People are so frickin blind. GAY MEN ARE SISSIES!!! There I said it, oh, and captain falcon is NOT gay, I'm pretty sure that Nintendo is not for same-sex couples.

 

[CrimsonYoshi]

can someone tell me what a doo doo eating grin is

ever been to a chick fil a and seen that picture with the boss or whatever eating food in every one

it looks like that


I can't find a link on a phone but just look it up

 

[DevaAshera]

People are so frickin blind. GAY MEN ARE SISSIES!!! There I said it, oh, and captain falcon is NOT gay, I'm pretty sure that Nintendo is not for same-sex couples.

No, you must be blind. That is a stereotype..and a rather offensive one, might I add.
Capt. Falcon could be straight or gay, its irrelevant, he'd be awesome all the same.
Nintendo is also just fine with Homosexuals, they had a Lesbian in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn.

 

[Derekburn]

This line of thinking is not only morbidly incorrect but incredibly off topic, incredibly offensive and 1000% inappropriate.

You now have 5 points. I advise you to tread carefully, and not talk about these things on this website anymore. Have a nice day.

Guess what genius its 9:48 AT NIGHT!! I can't have a nice day anymore.

 

[L9999]

Why is this gay Captain Falcon topic still going on?!

 

[Derekburn]

Why is this gay Captain Falcon topic still going on?!

To be honest, I don't even know, they won't leave me alone about captain falcon being straight.

 

[TopTierPichu]

To be honest, I don't even know, they won't leave me alone about captain falcon being straight.

when was C.Falcon ever confirmed to be straight?