Smash Ultimate general series discussion: Part 4: Metroid (with polls)

[Mogisthelioma]

The fourth installment of a 12-part series discussing all things of the twelve IPs in Ultimate currently represented with two or more fighters.

Tagged for Frizz , @Alastor017 , HypnoMaster372 , and Quillion ! If I forgot to tag you, please let me know. If you want notifications on my future posts, mention me in a post, DM me, or follow me!

Metroid: Nintendo's status quo for "Metroid-Vania" and other games alike. The series that went form 2D platformer and upgraded to first person shooter, and has been a part of Smash since day one.
As always, the opening poll discusses opinions on the roster. Metroid has finally gotten more than different versions of Samus in. With Metroid Prime 4 supposedly on its way, it's possible that more characters will be introduced into the Metroid universe.
To open up the discussion, do you think that Metroid Prime 4 will introduce new characters that could be possible newcomers?

 

[Quillion]

Well, if Sylux is going to becomes Samus's rival as Fed Force and Hunters imply, he's going to make it in.

I can't say that I see any other Metroid character getting in. Mother Brain and Kraid wouldn't work by any stretch of the imagination, and SA-X has no significant differences from Samus or Dark Samus.

 

[Frizz]

We haven't seen ANY Metroid Prime 4 footage so far, so the possibility of a new character being introduced that could be included as a Smash newcomer is definitely there. Maybe not as an Smash Ultimate newcomer (or even DLC if we're being fair), but in future installments? I'd say they have a chance, since it all depends on how popular they are, as well as if Sakurai personally thinks they have enough source material to work into a moveset. But Metroid has always been and will be about Samus Aran and her exploits. They'd have to create a pretty interesting character or species in order for them to be even considered.

And yes, keep tagging me, please.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, if the rumors surrounding Sylux in Prime 4 are true, he might be a possible newcomer. Otherwise I think Metroid is coved pretty damn well, seeing as how I can’t think of anyone else to add.

And I would appreciate me kept being tagged. This is pretty interesting stuff!

 

[Quillion]

I find it both funny and upsetting how a lot of people said, "Metroid needs more characters! Other franchises are overrepresented!" when Ridley was the bare minimum that would satisfy 99% of everyone. ONE CHARACTER would stop a franchise from being underrepresented.

Yeah, Metroid is bigger than Fire Emblem, but does the former have even half the fighter potential that the latter has?

 

[Deleted member]

I find it both funny and upsetting how a lot of people said, "Metroid needs more characters! Other franchises are overrepresented!" when Ridley was the bare minimum that would satisfy 99% of everyone. ONE CHARACTER would stop a franchise from being underrepresented.

Yeah, Metroid is bigger than Fire Emblem, but does the former have even half the fighter potential that the latter has?

To be honest, I think Metroid could use more stages than anything else. Metroid has a ton of potential stages throughout the series.

 

[thirsty-pocket]

I'm a little out of my element with this one. I may have played every Metroid game, barring Hunters, Pinball, and Federation Force, but very little in the series has made an impact on me besides the 2D games and the first Prime. Love for all the characters introduced in Prime 3 seems practically nonexistent. And I see nothing but contempt for Other M... The only love I ever see is for this Sylux fellow, who I'm afraid I can't make any comments about, having not really played Hunters, and videos don't make him seem all that appealing either other than "He MIGHT have a big role in future games" It's also hard to organically introduce new characters that can make an impact while keeping with the spirit of the series. Prime 3's other characters, speaking and interacting with Samus, felt like such oddities after everything else in the series.

If you ask me, with Ridley and Dark Samus, it almost feels like Metroid is perfectly represented... Of course I'm in no way against a new character. And maybe a new stage that isn't based around rising lava/acid. And I'm still crossing my fingers that monster Mother Brain is a boss.

 

[Dee Dude]

Metroid is complete.
Samus/ZSS, Ridley, & Dark Samus have pretty much sealed the line-up.

Unless Anthony gets a sudden boost in advocation or Prime 4 introduces some interesting characters....

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I'd cut ZSS. I'm not even convinced Ridley should be playable.

 

[Jyl]

To be honest, I think Metroid could use more stages than anything else. Metroid has a ton of potential stages throughout the series.

Agreed. It might get rid of the stereotype that Metroid is full of lava places even though Frigate Orpheon should have disapproved that.

 

[WaddleMatt]

The series is perfectly represented with characters unless something happens with Sylux. Also please tag me in the future.

 

[Deleted member]

Agreed. It might get rid of the stereotype that Metroid is full of lava places even though Frigate Orpheon should have disapproved that.

I’d nominate stages like SR388, Phendradia Drifts, and Morphia to add some variety.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

The series is perfectly represented with characters unless something happens with Sylux. Also please tag me in the future.

Thank you for letting me know!

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

I too second the notion that I'd prefer Metroid to get more stage selection and variety over characters that being said...I sure as hell wouldn't complain if Sylux or Anthony Higgs were added to Smash.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Sylux or Anthony are the only real contenders from what I've heard, but I'm really not too familiar with Metroid as a whole. I'd be down for more monsters but Kraid and Mother Brain are the only ones I can name and both are harder to implement than Ridley.

 

[hustler713]

Metroid doesn't have that many Chars, suitable for Smash, to begin with, but since it was implied, in multiple interviews and Corruptions and FFs Ending, that Sylux is intended to take a bigger role in futur Metroid installments, i think he is the last char the Franchise truely needs for Smash.
I'm actually happy with the Representation Metroid has at this point.

 

[letsgetsmashing]

I think Metroid is represented decently in Smash now that Dark Samus and Ridley are playable. Before Ultimate the franchise was kind of shafted in favor of others so it's nice to see it finally get some representation. But, I think there is still some work to be done. Dark Samus should have a unique moveset to represent the Metroid Prime series. And Sylux has a really cool design and a mysterious aura, and will most likely be the main villain in Metroid Prime 4, so I would love to see him playable too. After that I think the Metroid series would be represented perfectly.

 

[Quillion]

I think Metroid is represented decently in Smash now that Dark Samus and Ridley are playable. Before Ultimate the franchise was kind of shafted in favor of others so it's nice to see it finally get some representation. But, I think there is still some work to be done. Dark Samus should have a unique moveset to represent the Metroid Prime series. And Sylux has a really cool design and a mysterious aura, and will most likely be the main villain in Metroid Prime 4, so I would love to see him playable too. After that I think the Metroid series would be represented perfectly.

How was Metroid shafted before Ultimate? Metroid never has a lot of characters suitable fir Smash, and like it or not, Ridley was a tough cookie to implement. No, Bagan's Ridley mod did not work; the model was too awkward.

 

[letsgetsmashing]

How was Metroid shafted before Ultimate? Metroid never has a lot of characters suitable fir Smash, and like it or not, Ridley was a tough cookie to implement. No, Bagan's Ridley mod did not work; the model was too awkward.

I was just saying before Ultimate Samus (in both her suit and no suit form) was the only rep Metroid had. The series holds a pretty significant place as one of Nintendo's biggest, so not having Dark Samus or Ridley there felt a bit off. Luckily, they're both here in Smash Ultimate so nothing to worry about.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd love a Metroid title with the gameplay and visual quality of Samus Returns and an overworld 5x bigger than that of Super Metroid with the atmosphere of Fusion. That'd be the best 2D Metroid game ever for me.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Day 3! I'm very sorry I was unable to post yesterday, I was super busy.

Today's topic is....
If Sylux was in Smash somehow, would you prefer it as a trophy, AT, clone/echo fighter or original fighter?

 

[Oddball]

The only actual character I care about in Metroid would be Mother Brain and she wouldn't work as a fighter at all without a redesign so massive it wouldn't look like her.

The only other characters I think of that I would want would be SA-X in mutated form and Justin Bailey Samus and they're both just "slightly different Samus".

I think the series is good with what it's got.

 

[Deleted member]

Day 3! I'm very sorry I was unable to post yesterday, I was super busy.

Today's topic is....
If Sylux was in Smash somehow, would you prefer him as a trophy, AT, clone/echo fighter or original fighter?

Original Fighter.

 

[Crystanium]

I find it both funny and upsetting how a lot of people said, "Metroid needs more characters! Other franchises are overrepresented!" when Ridley was the bare minimum that would satisfy 99% of everyone. ONE CHARACTER would stop a franchise from being underrepresented.

Yeah, Metroid is bigger than Fire Emblem, but does the former have even half the fighter potential that the latter has?

I don't think Metroid needs more characters, but I also don't think 99% of fans would be satisfied with Ridley's inclusion. I wanted Dark Samus more than Ridley, and if Ridley couldn't be included, I felt that Dark Samus should have a shot, considering there is a trilogy centered entirely around her and Phazon. I'm happy both have been included. I think if two characters had to be dropped just to include two more, I'd say drop Zero Suit Samus and give her frame data to Samus. Replace her with the Omega Metroid. Drop Dark Samus and replace her with Space Pirate, who would be a conglomerate of space pirates throughout the series.

Also, fun fact for everyone mentioning Sylux. It is neither referred to with masculine or feminine pronouns.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I don't think Metroid needs more characters, but I also don't think 99% of fans would be satisfied with Ridley's inclusion. I wanted Dark Samus more than Ridley, and if Ridley couldn't be included, I felt that Dark Samus should have a shot, considering there is a trilogy centered entirely around her and Phazon. I'm happy both have been included. I think if two characters had to be dropped just to include two more, I'd say drop Zero Suit Samus and give her frame data to Samus. Replace her with the Omega Metroid. Drop Dark Samus and replace her with Space Pirate, who would be a conglomerate of space pirates throughout the series.

Also, fun fact for everyone mentioning Sylux. It is neither referred to with masculine or feminine pronouns.

I know Sylux is referred to as "it," but instinctively I use "him" for Sylux and "her" for Dark Samus (and Sheik for that matter). My bad. I'll edit it.

 

[Crystanium]

I know Sylux is referred to as "it," but instinctively I use "him" for Sylux and "her" for Dark Samus (and Sheik for that matter). My bad. I'll edit it.

Not to worry. Others were referring to Sylux as "he" and "him/his". Although Dark Samus is a female.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Oh, and one more thing! Sometime this evening/tonight I'll be posting the next thread. However, instead of Yoshi, it will be Kirby, since Yoshi only has one fighter, and these threads are based on series with more than one fighter. If a second Yoshi fighter gets announced sometime, I'll make a thread for it ASAP. Remember to mention me in a post ( Mogisthelioma ), DM me or follow me so I can tag you in the next posts!

 

[Porygon2]

If Sylux was in Smash somehow, would you prefer it as a trophy, AT, clone/echo fighter or original fighter?

Is it stands, an AT, if that. Metroid is perfectly represented in terms of viable fighters. What it needs is more love in the lore/reference/playstyle department for Samus(es). Of all the reps, only Ridley plays in a way that matches his character - the detail with the fireballs, alt skins, brutal animations, etc. is such a work of love. This follows the general pattern of newcomers having the technical weight behind them to be represented in their most faithful forms (see Ryu, Megaman, Simon), while Sakurai fears changing veterans too much. Still, some new taunts (even Ridley falters here, IMO), costumes and a couple of SFX changes for Samus and ZSS wouldn't have gone a miss.

In the future, maybe Sylux will be a viable fighter in his own right, though I don't see Prime 4 really generating enough hype considering the series' somewhat niche status. Let's hope it causes as much of a ripple as BoTW and Odyssey.

No, Bagan's Ridley mod did not work; the model was too awkward.

I fear that most judge Bagan's work on the versions that ended up getting the most views from YouTubers. His "90s" edition of Ridley was a marked improvement.

 

[Quillion]

I fear that most judge Bagan's work on the versions that ended up getting the most views from YouTubers. His "90s" edition of Ridley was a marked improvement.

Even Classic Ridley suffered from trying to be too faithful to the Brawl model. His torso is too long and wings oddly shrinking and growing.

I'm glad official Ridley took elements from different designs to make it work: Metroid 1 size, Zero Mission stance, and Samus Returns body proportions. Sakurai did better than any awkward-looking hack.

 

[thirsty-pocket]

Oh, and one more thing! Sometime this evening/tonight I'll be posting the next thread. However, instead of Yoshi, it will be Kirby, since Yoshi only has one fighter, and these threads are based on series with more than one fighter. If a second Yoshi fighter gets announced sometime, I'll make a thread for it ASAP. Remember to mention me in a post ( Mogisthelioma ), DM me or follow me so I can tag you in the next posts!

I actually have some feelings regarding Yoshi, and other games with only one fighter, so will they get their own umbrella category or something? Or maybe Yoshi and Wario could be grouped into the Mario series.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm not a Metroid fan, but I'm really happy for that fanbase. Two new games announced in the past year and a half and two new Smash characters. They really deserve it with how long they waited for new stuff.

As implied I don't know much about Metroid, but everyone seems to agree its character representation is complete. Three unique movesets across three separate entities is great for a series with such a limited cast. It will never reach Fire Emblem levels of representation, and that's okay.

Now if only we could "complete" the Donkey Kong series, and maybe throw a bone Pikmin's way...ahh, but enough of my own personal wants. I'd love to see new Metroid stages. It's a crime we're losing Pyrosphere just because Ridley is playable now--as if his presence was absolutely necessary for that stage for work.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I actually have some feelings regarding Yoshi, and other games with only one fighter, so will they get their own umbrella category or something? Or maybe Yoshi and Wario could be grouped into the Mario series.

I'm planning on doing a final thread for all remaining series, but since we're bound to get another fighter reveal sometime this week I'm still deciding how to organize it.

Day 4! Today's topic is...
Should ZSS be accessed the same was Sheik was in Brawl? By selecting her as another character in Samus' slot? Or should she remain in her own slot?

 

[keleyeemoh]

I'm planning on doing a final thread for all remaining series, but since we're bound to get another fighter reveal sometime this week I'm still deciding how to organize it.

Day 4! Today's topic is...
Should ZSS be accessed the same was Sheik was in Brawl? By selecting her as another character in Samus' slot? Or should she remain in her own slot?

Her own slot. She plays completely differently.

 

[WaddleMatt]

Her own slot. She plays completely differently.

Agreed, this isn't even a question.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't see any reason why Samus and Zero Suit Samus can't have their own slots.

 

[Porygon2]

She's an integral part of Smash now, and should have her own slot. I say this as an avid Metroid fan who effectively ignores her existence.

What I'd really like for her is a justin bailey influenced green hair alt, and for the heels to be replaced by a stripped-down version of the yellow power suit legs. Something similar to the way in which Tony Stark occasionally makes use of separate pieces of the Iron Man armor. Or perhaps they could only materialize during certain moves along with other power suit parts, like she's running on 'low power'.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

Agreed. It might get rid of the stereotype that Metroid is full of lava places even though Frigate Orpheon should have disapproved that.

What stereotype? I've literally never heard anyone saying that the Metroid games are full of those because of Smash. This seems like a fan made concept.

 

[staindgrey]

The possibility of Sylux being a major character is the only slim possibility for Smash inclusion.

Metroid as a series focuses solely on Samus vs. the World, and any unique characters that aren't recurring villains play background to what is entirely Samus's story, only to be easily forgotten after. That's why three of the four Metroid characters in Ultimate have "Samus" in their names.

 

[Quillion]

The possibility of Sylux being a major character is the only slim possibility for Smash inclusion.

Metroid as a series focuses solely on Samus vs. the World, and any unique characters that aren't recurring villains play background to what is entirely Samus's story, only to be easily forgotten after. That's why three of the four Metroid characters in Ultimate have "Samus" in their names.

This is why Metroid is forever doomed to be "underrepresented".

That said, I wish they would do more with the other Hunters, not just Sylux.

 

[staindgrey]

This is why Metroid is forever doomed to be "underrepresented".

That said, I wish they would do more with the other Hunters, not just Sylux.

What we need is a Metroid Prime Hunters 2. Revisit the idea and bring back old hunters on newer hardware that isn't a pain to play.

Starring Gandrayda before MP3, preferably.