Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Idon]

Robin's weapons not only break, they cost money.
Playing Robin for 5 minutes costs $200 real life dollars.

 

[Saetanigera]

Saw some conversation of PSASBR. Based on the design choices, like that special attacks were the only way to get kills, it really didn’t stand a chance in being that game that would finally rival Super Smash Bros.. Frankly, I don’t think there will be one like Smash that, well, isn’t Smash.

The reason Smash exists as it does today is because Nintendo has, frankly, the best 1st party lineup on any gaming company. Because Sony and Microsoft have always relied on 3rd party games, it makes the creation of a Smash like game that much harder. While Nintendo owns practically 90% of the roster, there are just under 10 characters they don’t own, and at the very least they are high tier picks.

Add the fact that Smash started small and has grown over time. Sure we’re at almost 80 now, but when you have basically a rookie dev team that doesn’t have the clout to get characters like Snake or Cloud, and you compare that with a guy and his team that pay attention to the most excruciating details and do it well...it’s not hard to see why certain characters get to be in Smash but not Sony’s first try.

Like, the fact that a roster of almost 80 is still having attention paid to balance is just nuts. PSASBR has what...roughly 20, and it was a disaster?

PSASBR has potential, but it’s a huge challenge to overtake Smash at this point.

Smash has gotten so large I don't expect the series to have everyone return in one game again. The only way I could see it continue to expand is the next console generation has stand-alone expansions of smash brothers (like the smashup series of board games that comes out with 1-2 themed expansions per year)

 

[Dyllybirdy]

1. Mario
2. Metal Mario
3. Paper Mario
4. Plastic Mario???
5. Young Mario
6. Toon Mario
7. CD-I Mario
8. Lou Albano
9. Bob Hoskins
10. Super Mario
11. Super Mario God
12. Super Mario God Super Mario

But what about the best Mario of them all?

Green Mario!

 

[Impa4Smash]

what if smash ultimate only had 12 characters?
my roster would be
1 mario
2 luigi
3 kirby
4 link
5 zelda
6 ganon
7 pikachu
8 mewtwo/pkmn trainer
9 DK
10 Krool
11 DeDeDe
12 kirby

I would go with

1) Mario
2) Luigi
3) Link
4) Kirby
5) Pikachu
6) DK
7) Marth
8) Inklings
9) Samus
10) Olimar
11) Fox
12) Villager

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I would go with

1) Mario
2) Luigi
3) Link
4) Kirby
5) Pikachu
6) DK
7) Marth
8) Inklings
9) Samus
10) Olimar
11) Fox
12) Villager

0/10 no Isabelle.

 

[Aurane]

Jigglypuff being playable is her gimmick at this point.

 

[LetterO]

Chrom being absolutely busted makes me feel so good even if I don't like him that much because it shows how bad all these conpetitive players are at analyzing pre release footage.

All thoughts I saw on Chrom were "he's good but his recovery holds him back". His recovery will still definitely hold him back in my opinion. Might be like Little Mac in that sense.

 

[Impa4Smash]

0/10 no Isabelle.

I could only give AC one rep so I gave it the superior one

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

All thoughts I saw on Chrom were "he's good but his recovery holds him back". His recovery will still definitely hold him back in my opinion. Might be like Little Mac in that sense.

Never liked Chrom and Ikes recovery imo. It's good for upward movement, but not sideways.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Okay I gotta look at the roster unlockables again with the spoilers that's around (and I posted the family tree thing yesterday)

Spoiler

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Missing family tress or missing characters to unlock: (Wolf is on this list incase the info about Peach unlocking him isn't true while Miis are Miis lol)

So here's my thoughts on the remaining crew

- My guess is Bowser would be unlocked in the Mario/DK line due to having to unlock Red
- Corrin may be somewhere in the Duck Hunt/Ken or Young Link line
- I honestly don't know how or why Marth didn't even get a tree here yet he has quite a string. Perhaps we have to unlock him in WoL and he creates a 9th tree?
- I literally have no clue here so if I were to guess, I'd say the Link family tree
- No clue, probably the Yoshi family tree
- LOL No idea
- Not sure why and how Pit wasn't on the list. My guess would be maybe the Pikachu line but not sure if it would be him or Shulk unlocking Pit
- I want to say he could be unlocked by Robin
- Incase the rumor of Peach unlocking him isn't true, I still feel confidant that he could be in Peach/Jr/Daisy line
- My random guess is either the Yoshi or Pikachu family tree. Just because

Lucario could get mewtwo

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

what if smash ultimate only had 12 characters?
my roster would be
1 mario
2 luigi
3 kirby
4 link
5 zelda
6 ganon
7 pikachu
8 mewtwo/pkmn trainer
9 DK
10 Krool
11 DeDeDe
12 kirby

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Sonic
4. Shadow
5. Mega man
6. Pac man
7. Link
8. Samus
9. Kirby
10. Donkey kong
11. Simon
12. Crash Bandicoot

6 Nintendo, 6 Third party.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I could only give AC one rep so I gave it the superior one

*hiss**

Also, Chrom's face in Ultimate is really bugging me. It's...

 

[Impa4Smash]

*hiss**

Also, Chrom's face in Ultimate is really bugging me. It's...
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Chrom being in Robin's final smash still bugs me most of all. Too many Chroms in the kitchen

 

[LetterO]

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Sonic
4. Shadow
5. Mega man
6. Pac man
7. Link
8. Samus
9. Kirby
10. Donkey kong
11. Simon
12. Crash Bandicoot

6 Nintendo, 6 Third party.

you forgot pikachu

 

[Aurane]

what if smash ultimate only had 12 characters?

It'd be garbage. If you want me to be honest, you know?

Doesn't really matter who's in it. Smash without diversity is a boring game.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Too many Chroms in the kitchen

What do you mean?

You can never have too many Chroms! ;p

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

If anyone hasn't seen Smash Bros. Google Translated they have no soul.

 

[TheCJBrine]

what if smash ultimate only had 12 characters?
my roster would be
1 mario
2 luigi
3 kirby
4 link
5 zelda
6 ganon
7 pikachu
8 mewtwo/pkmn trainer
9 DK
10 Krool
11 DeDeDe
12 kirby

1. Skull Kid
2. Skull Kid (OoT)
3. Skull Kiddo
4. Big Skull Kid
5. Skull Teen
6. Skull Adult
7. Skull Kid with Skull Mask
8. Skull Kid with Mario Mask
9. Lizalfos, Stalfos, or Dinolfos
10. Link in Skull Kid form
11. Skull Ghost
12. Sandbag

TJ "Henry" Yoshi

"An A-press is an A-press, you can't say it's only half."

WELL, Zinith "Boshi" Yoshi-

 

[Impa4Smash]

What do you mean?

You can never have too many Chroms! ;p

If Robin had a Grima or Morgan final smash and Chrom was just his own character

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Here's a game I found on Reddit:
Add one gimmick to any character to ruin them completely.
For example: Ice Climbers count as 2 players, and deal reduced damage in 1v1's as a result.

Mr Game & Watch but he can't move freely, he teleports from place to place only where there is the faded out shape of his body already represented on the stage (like in the original LCD games). Because of this, he can't get knocked back, and he can only fight with HPs instead of %. The teleport is laggy for balancing reasons.

Pokèmon Trainer but occasionally when changing pokèmon he/she summons an unexpected pokèmon who has little to no moves and can easily be killed (similar to how you can summon a Goldeen from pokèballs). You are stuck with that pokèmon for some seconds until you can change it again.

Peach but occasionally she extracts a key instead of a turnip; the key can't be thrown, you can release it only by reaching a door that spawns somewhere on the stage. While you have the key in your hands, a Phanto mask chases you and does a lot of damage when it hits you.

Yoshi with Baby Mario: if you get enough damage, Baby Mario will start to fly in a bubble and you must catch him or else you will continue getting damage (without knockback, only increasing damage).

Captain Falcon but his forward Smash is replaced by Falcon Punch, and his basic special is now Boost (as you press B, he starts running very fast like Sonic in Sonic Rush/Unleashed, but he doesn't deal any damage while doing this).

Cloud but has the action gauge from FF7. He can attack only when the gauge is full, and after each attack he must wait until the gauge is charged again; when the gauge is not full he can only jump, shield/dodge and charge the limit, he can't even recover.

 

[Saetanigera]

Ruin a character with a new gimmick? Easy: mario can only damage his opponents by jumping on them

 

[Wyoming]

Chrom was clearly the last character added. Everything about him screams last minute addition.
Surprised the data doesn't show this. Or does it?

 

[FreeFox]

It'd be garbage. If you want me to be honest, you know?

Doesn't really matter who's in it. Smash without diversity is a boring game.

Excuse me for asking but are you Noipoi long lost brother or sister?

 

[Iridium]

This upsets me.

He doesn't stop...

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Chrom was clearly the last character added. Everything about him screams last minute addition.
Surprised the data doesn't show this. Or does it?

Dunno. He looks fine to me, besides the face. Mind specifying?

 

[Wyoming]

Dunno. He looks fine to me, besides the face. Mind specifying?

Face
Still in Robin's final smash.
His clapping animation in the victory screen which looks very awkward and unpolished.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Mr Game & Watch but he can't move freely, he teleports from place to place only where there is the faded out shape of his body already represented on the stage (like in the original LCD games). Because of this, he can't get knocked back, and he can only fight with HPs instead of %. The teleport is laggy for balancing reasons.

Pokèmon Trainer but occasionally when changing pokèmon he/she summons an unexpected pokèmon who has little to no moves and can easily be killed (similar to how you can summon a Goldeen from pokèballs). You are stuck with that pokèmon for some seconds until you can change it again.

Peach but occasionally she extracts a key instead of a turnip; the key can't be thrown, you can release it only by reaching a door that spawns somewhere on the stage. While you have the key in your hands, a Phanto mask chases you and does a lot of damage when it hits you.

Yoshi with Baby Mario: if you get enough damage, Baby Mario will start to fly in a bubble and you must catch him or else you will continue getting damage (without knockback, only increasing damage).

Captain Falcon but his forward Smash is replaced by Falcon Punch, and his basic special is now Boost (as you press B, he starts running very fast like Sonic in Sonic Rush/Unleashed, but he doesn't deal any damage while doing this).

Cloud but has the action gauge from FF7. He can attack only when the gauge is full, and after each attack he must wait until the gauge is charged again; when the gauge is not full he can only jump, shield/dodge and charge the limit, he can't even recover.

This is actually the single most cursed post I’ve seen on this site.

 

[Blargg888]

... but backslashing to recover in general sounds like a preeeeeetty bad idea.

Eh, I'm just glad that I'll no longer be completely screwed if I accidentally Side-B in midair.

It happened to me more times than I'd like to admit.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Face
Still in Robin's final smash.
His clapping animation in the victory screen which looks very awkward and unpolished.

Havn't seen the animation.
I don't think being in Robin's final smash is a bad thing to be honest. A bit weird, but not bad.

Honestly, I don't see what's bad about last minute additions. Yeah, they are a bit unpolished, but nothing too bad.

This upsets me.

He doesn't stop...

Oh no...

 

[T3Z3R1]

Ruin a character with a new gimmick? Easy: mario can only damage his opponents by jumping on them

Try that to Piranha plant, the match will be over in few secs

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Face
Still in Robin's final smash.
His clapping animation in the victory screen which looks very awkward and unpolished.

Don’t forget him still being in some of Robin’s victory screens, even if Robin just defeated Chrom.

 

[KiwiK]

Donkey Kong but whenever he's hit he'll run in a straight line to the nearest blast line disregarding collision and SD, like he does in DKC if he has a partner. Same goes for Diddy.

 

[Iridium]

Havn't seen the animation.
I don't think being in Robin's final smash is a bad thing to be honest. A bit weird, but not bad.

Honestly, I don't see what's bad about last minute additions. Yeah, they are a bit unpolished, but nothing too bad.



Oh no...

This also upsets me.

They don't stop...

 

[Dyllybirdy]

This upsets me.

He doesn't stop...

Sorry if I'm just being dumb here, but, I don't get it?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

12 characters? *cracks knuckles*

1.Mewtwo
2.Shadow Mewtwo
3.Mega Mewtwo Y
4.Mega Mewtwo X
5.Armored Mewtwo
6.Ridley
7.Meta Ridley
8.Omega Ridley
9.Proteus Ridley
10.Little Birdie
11.Neo Ridley
12.Mecha Ridley

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Here's a game I found on Reddit:
Add one gimmick to any character to ruin them completely.
For example: Ice Climbers count as 2 players, and deal reduced damage in 1v1's as a result.

= Can't move because he is in his pipe.
= Crappy jumping psychics from the original Ice Climber
= His weapons can break

 

[Impa4Smash]

Bowser is invincible unless he falls off the stage. If you run into him you die

 

[KMDP]

Too many Chroms in the kitchen

It takes a lot to make a stew
A pinch of salt and disjoints too~
A charging move to add the spice
A counter down to make it nice
And you've got...

Too many Chroms!
Too many Chroms~!
Too many Chroms!
Too many Chro~o~oms~!
Too many Chroms!
Too many Chroms~!
Too many Chroms!
Too many~...

It takes a lot to make a stew
When it comes to me and you
And Ike and Roy, and Lucina too
Too many Chroms, it's true~!
Robin, I think that's not true
Well, maybe too many Chroms will spoil the broth
but they'll fill our hearts with so much, so much love
...too many Chroms!

 

[Idon]

Don’t forget him still being in some of Robin’s victory screens, even if Robin just defeated Chrom.
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This is my number one minor pet peeve.

Like... just remove the Chrom model, and copy-paste the character specific lines onto the actual Chrom.

Chrom, you sat out 99% of the match, why are you posing in front of me like you contributed?

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

This upsets me.

He doesn't stop...

Boy that reminds me of the Ai in melee...