Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bee Card]

Yeah but...
I like everyone else in English.
That's the main issue.

I just wish I could play one game without Yuri Lowenthal in it. Just... please dude... let the other voice actors eat.

I can't put the english voice, because of "Jigglypuff" that's sound so weird for me while I love the french name "Rondoudou" which I grew up with

 

[Sigran101]

Sigran101 said:
Smash is on a very dangerous path right now. I've never been mad at a reveal before. Disappointed, sure. But every character so far has been a worthy inclusion in some way, and for many people a dream come true. Until piranha plant. Being a smash bros character means nothing now. There's no requirement. There's no status needed. Smash characters can just be whatever now and it doesn't matter. Pirahna plant is a blemish on the roster and I would rather get no freebie than have this character. It legitimately ruins the roster somewhat for me. Now we may be getting a third party mobile game character. What a truly ****ty idea. It's basically the equivalent of getting a clash of clans character. And steve. I have nothing against minecraft. I like minecraft. But steve is just a knockoff lego man with practically no animations. Another garbage character. And the square nix character may just be ****ing slime. Generic enemy number 2. This is a ****ing ****show if it's true. It doesn't mean anything now. This may be my last smash game. I love the whole base roster. I think I'll keep it untarnished by avoiding the dlc and then stay away from smash in the future if Verg is right. It makes me incredibly sad because smash has always been one of my favorite series. But if this is the kind of content we have to look forward to then I'm out.


Now I can't be the only person thinking this clearly sounds like the rant of someone who clearly has no idea about what they're talking about. First off now I know i'm probably the only person thinking this but Pirahna Plant actually makes plenty amount of sense despite what this guy thinks he is plenty iconic. When you think Mario regular enemies you think of three main enemies goomba, koopa, and Pirahna Plant. He's an enemy that's been there since the first real Mario Bros game they are literally the third enemy you see on the very first level. Not to mention that let's not beat around the bush but out of the all the starter enemies Pirahna Plant is probably the most interesting/ cool looking design wise and they are an instantly recognizable character. So I wouldn't say that Pirahna Plant means that the roster means nothing just that people didn't think it would happen because they couldn't envision a kit for him but Sakurai did so it happened. "Blemish on the roster" is just an entitled as **** asinine claim Pirahna Plant looks fun to play and that's what matters, Look I get you're butthurt x or y character you wanted added got deconfirmed but to call a fighter that actually looks like fun because it isn't what you personally wanted is childish as **** and you need to check your bias.

"Someone has a different opinion than me on the internet! I better make sure they know they're wrong!"

 

[Deleted member]

If Granblue were to get a character in Smash, who would it even be?

 

[KingofKoopas]

She...


She's 16 you know...

She...

she's a fictional character, a drawing, a collection of pixels on a screen you know..

 

[monadoboyy]

Assuming the Granblue thing is real, I understand why they'd choose Katalina, but she's such a boring pick. I'd much rather have Albert/Forte/Cerberus or some other RoB character Cygames loves to port to their other games, all of the ones I mentioned are in some form in Dragalia too. I'd probably still play her, but that's besides the point

Not like anyone here even cares about it, but still

 

[Mc.Rad]

I think all the DLC inclusions will be aimed at getting more people to buy Smash rather than catering to what Smashfans want. Like people said, things like Kingdom Hearts and Granblue and Minecraft are incredibly popular, people would buy a Switch just to play as them. Those companies would benefit from the marketing; all the people happy about their inclusion are just a side effect.

In other words, for die-hard Nintendo or Smash fans Pirahna Plant will end up being the best DLC newcomer.

Then why is there no fortnite DLC? /s

 

[Deleted member]

She...

she's a fictional character, a drawing, a collection of pixels on a screen you know..

Who is? Sorry, I don't know who you are talking about.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

If Granblue were to get a character in Smash, who would it even be?

Katalina, she's the starting character and the protagonist of Granblue Fantasy

 

[Kuon]

I don't see the switch being replaced for a good 5 or 6 years, that gives at least 2-3 years of smash DLC before at the earliest Sakurai would start planning the next.

We didn't hear about SF5 season 2 till season 1 was done. Same for season 3. DBFz had 1 season, and lots of leaks are saying there will be a season 2.

Companies don't announce every season right away, they wait til one is done then talk about the next one.

I agree about the Switch lasting for five or six more years, but DLC won't last that long, of course. Now it is possible that it could last for two years instead of one, but if they want to live up to people's expectations and keep the current roster and not cut any characters for the next game, they'll need to start developing earlier, since development will take longer, maybe four or five years, so they can't keep doing DLC for too long before starting work on the next Smash game

 

[MainJPW]

>People complain about porn results for Granblue
>Shantae is okay

People still bring up porn as a criticism against a character inclusion? LOOOL

 

[Pyra]

People still bring up porn as a criticism against a character inclusion? LOOOL

The Porn Theory

Otherwise known as the "other" box theory

 

[Radical Bones]

I dunno if there'll be another ballot.

I'm pretty sure we only got the first ballot because Sakurai had just found out he was making a new Smash and wanted to see what the fans wanted.

Also, you might be wasting your time filling out the ballot multiple times.

They'll probably filter by IP address or something.

 

[Deleted member]

People still bring up porn as a criticism against a character inclusion? LOOOL

People were complaining about how easy it is to find porn when you search for Granblue. Not sure if they meant it for it to be an argument against Granblue, but whatever. I'm not against Shantae because of the porn, but she would be an extremely hard sell for me because I'd rather have tons of other indies.

 

[KingofKoopas]

People still bring up porn as a criticism against a character inclusion? LOOOL

In that case, nobody in the current roster should be in smash lol ESPECIALLY not Piranha Plant.. Tentacles!

 

[Kuon]

Katalina, she's the starting character and the protagonist of Granblue Fantasy

She's the protagonist of the upcoming Granblue Fantasy game, but the protagonist of the current Granblue game are Gran and Djeeta

 

[Shroob]

If Granblue were to get a character in Smash, who would it even be?

I mean, the leak literally says who.

 

[Inawordyes]

They updated the site to remove that.

Oh they did? Hmmmmmm

 

[Deleted member]

So, random note, but whenever I play Ike, I'm always going to pick his Radiant Dawn outfit, as that's his best design.

 

[Bee Card]

wait are people actually complaining about that? do they realize samus is in the game?

You mean Bayonetta x)

 

[Shroob]

Assuming the Granblue thing is real, I understand why they'd choose Katalina, but she's such a boring pick. I'd much rather have Albert/Forte/Cerberus or some other RoB character Cygames loves to port to their other games, all of the ones I mentioned are in some form in Dragalia too. I'd probably still play her, but that's besides the point

Not like anyone here even cares about it, but still

YO, what up my bro.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I dunno if there'll be another ballot.

I'm pretty sure we only got the first ballot because Sakurai had just found out he was making a new Smash and wanted to see what the fans wanted.

Also, you might be wasting your time filling out the ballot multiple times.

They'll probably filter by IP address or something.

They've literally had one for almost every game, ya'll are unaware of them before Smash 4 since they were Japan exclusive.

 

[Zinith]

People still bring up porn as a criticism against a character inclusion? LOOOL

Wait, there are OTHER reasons to support a character besides that?!!!

Well ****

 

[TVDart]

Granblue wouldn't be surprising considering we got Corrin back in 2015. Unfortunately it might come off as really confusing and generally weird to ask people to pay for a character who hasn't even appeared in their own game yet. I'd probably be disappointed.

 

[Deleted member]

Crono's someone that could easily happen if he was owned by any other company, unfortunately, Square owns Chrono Trigger and not only do they have 15 other characters that are more marketable but, as I said in the Crono thread, their interest in the IP is as big as the FF music selection in Smash.
Between Cross being an intentional kick in the balls, a DS remake from 10 years ago being the last signifcant thing that happened and a ****ty Steam port being the most recent thing from it, Crono would have a big uphill battle to go through.

 

[Starbound]

You can hear it better here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBiTMiF6Ro8&

Zelda has a new VA too?

 

[Deleted member]

I just discovered something now that I looked at the Direct one more time.

Assist Trophies will help you in the World of Light!

I noticed this because Kapp'n's Bus is on the overworld parked at what appears to be a Bus Stop, and Rathalos is likely used to get to out-of-reach treasures.

This is a pretty cool discovery, in my opinion, and opens up the storytelling interpretation further. Again, I'd prefer some of those ATs playable, but I'm not going to be griping when the game comes out and it plays as I wanted.

 

[Kuon]

Assuming the Granblue thing is real, I understand why they'd choose Katalina, but she's such a boring pick. I'd much rather have Albert/Forte/Cerberus or some other RoB character Cygames loves to port to their other games, all of the ones I mentioned are in some form in Dragalia too. I'd probably still play her, but that's besides the point

Not like anyone here even cares about it, but still

I would personally prefer Djeeta, the main female protagonist from the Granblue Fantasy mobile game, but I think Katalina makes more sense because of the upcoming game and the anime adaptation

 

[KMDP]

She...


She's 16 you know...

It depends on where KingofKoopas is from.

The age of consent varies from place to place (link).

It's 16 in the UK, Canada, Spain, Belgium, Russia, most of Eastern Europe, most of Australia and Brazil, among other places.​

It's 15 in France.​

In fact, the Age of Consent is, legally, 16 in most American States, but it's 18 in California, where most of all the media the American people consume is made.​

​

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I've analyzed the World of Light Trailer and these are my findings on how this world is an amalgamation of all the smasher's worlds.

3:28 - Checkered Ground and Blaze the Cat's Spirit seem to imply this area is in Green Hill Zone.
3:31 - The bells on the building and food all over the ground prove this is Dream Land.
3:34 - This beach has palm trees, the player is using Pokemon Trainer; and Lapras heading across the ocean (potentially the Great Sea from The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker? The Merman Spirit implies this) to a small island (could potentially be referencing the Alola Region from Sun & Moon)
3:37 - Kind of generic, but I'm guessing it's a Mega Man or Metroid area.
3:38 - I think this is the Divine Dragon Grounds or the Outrealm Gate from Fire Emblem: Awakening?
3:40 - The lava, switches, and blocks show this area is likely Bowser's Castle or somewhere else in World 8/Bowser's Kingdom.
3:50 - The player uses the Great Fox to traverse to several colorful planets; this is likely the Lylat System.
3:51 - Kapp'n's bus and the fight against Isabelle, as well as the houses seem to imply this is Animal Crossing's village/Smashville.
3:55 - This is clearly Pac-Man's iconic maze.
3:57 - The Rathalos makes it obvious these are the Ancestral Steppes from Monster Hunter 4.
3:58 - Textures during the cutscene introducing Galleom look very similar to Shadow Moses Island's flooring from Metal Gear Solid.

As pointed out by GameXplain, the city area also has Moray Towers and Prism Tower from Splatoon and Pokemon X/Y respectively.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

I think all the DLC inclusions will be aimed at getting more people to buy Smash rather than catering to what Smashfans want. Like people said, things like Kingdom Hearts and Granblue and Minecraft are incredibly popular, people would buy a Switch just to play as them. Those companies would benefit from the marketing; all the people happy about their inclusion are just a side effect.

In other words, for die-hard Nintendo or Smash fans Pirahna Plant will end up being the best DLC newcomer.

Do casual players really buy more DLC than hardcore players though? Let alone buy systems to buy a game to buy DLC for said game?

I also think were gonna get glorified advertisements over genuine wanted characters, and I'd love to be proven wrong, but I REALLY doubt that Joe Schmoe, who is not a fan of Smash and has no intention of buying Ultimate, will see a youtube video for Steve in Smash, and then decide "welp, time to buy a $300 system, $60 game, $70 pro controller for my buddy and the $25 season pass".

 

[TheCJBrine]

I just discovered something now that I looked at the Direct one more time.

Assist Trophies will help you in the World of Light!

I noticed this because Kapp'n's Bus is on the overworld parked at what appears to be a Bus Stop, and Rathalos is likely used to get to out-of-reach treasures.

This is a pretty cool discovery, in my opinion, and opens up the storytelling interpretation further. Again, I'd prefer some of those ATs playable, but I'm not going to be griping when the game comes out and it plays as I wanted.

So, maybe we could get Isaac and Skull Kid to help us :o

 

[KingofKoopas]

It depends on where KingofKoopas is from.

The age of consent varies from place to place (link).

It's 16 in the UK, Canada, Spain, Belgium, Russia, most of Eastern Europe, most of Australia and Brazil, among other places.​

It's 15 in France.​

In fact, the Age of Consent is, legally, 16 in most American States, but it's 18 in California, where most of all the media the American people consume is made.​

​

Nice, Educational, One problem though

Fictional characters dont have rights to consent just ask Piranha Plant! actually don't you'll see some ****

 

[Deleted member]

I just discovered something now that I looked at the Direct one more time.

Assist Trophies will help you in the World of Light!

I noticed this because Kapp'n's Bus is on the overworld parked at what appears to be a Bus Stop, and Rathalos is likely used to get to out-of-reach treasures.

This is a pretty cool discovery, in my opinion, and opens up the storytelling interpretation further. Again, I'd prefer some of those ATs playable, but I'm not going to be griping when the game comes out and it plays as I wanted.

I'm thinking they'll be more of enemies as Rathalos is a confirmed boss and we know Ghirahim shows up in the Imprisoned fight.
They didn't make most of them KOable for no reason

 

[SvartWolf]

Okay, calling it now: We're not going to get a second season of DLC, however we ARE going to get a second Smash ballot.

I honestly don't want another smash game unless this game core gameplay starts to go stale, and i rather have an expansion, or a second dlc cycle. I really really really don't want cuts.

I dunno if there'll be another ballot.

I'm pretty sure we only got the first ballot because Sakurai had just found out he was making a new Smash and wanted to see what the fans wanted.

Also, you might be wasting your time filling out the ballot multiple times.

They'll probably filter by IP address or something.

thats why i only voted 3 times in 3 different machines

 

[Idon]

So, random note, but whenever I play Ike, I'm always going to pick his Radiant Dawn outfit, as that's his best design.

My man.
RD Ike is my favorite version of Ike.
(Even if I like PoR slightly more)

 

[Lyndis_]

Halo is one of my favorite series ever, but I feel odd saying that I wouldn't like Master Chief at all in Smash when everyone else seems to like him.

I have a few reasons:

1. Master Chief and Halo have both never appeared on a Nintendo system... ever. One was planned for the DS, but it never happened for one reason or another. You could reaaaally stretch it and say that the Minecraft mash-up pack counts, but.. come on. That's not MC, that's a costume. A blocky one at that. There's no reason for them to put in a character that has no association with Nintendo over characters like Banjo-Kazooie or Steve that very much do and would appeal more to the Nintendo audience, especially for a DLC character which they rely on people wanting to buy.

2. I don't think MC is the best representation for his genre compared to a much more classic, genre-defining character with a very strong history with Nintendo: The Doom Slayer AKA Doomguy.

What does/would Master Chief really do that Doomguy doesn't? The only thing I can think of that's really unique to Halo is the vehicle system and the energy sword. He likely would not be able to use vehicles in Smash, and, Doomguy even gets a cool energy blade in Eternal along with a grappling hook and blade.

It could be argued MC has a few more cartoony weapons to use in favor of Doomguy, however I think the Plasma Gun, Static Rifle, EMG, Rocket Launcher, Reaper, Gauss Canon, Lightning Gun, Grenades, other abilities, and the BFG (it has a non-swear canon full name for it if it were an issue) are enough to make a moveset out of Doomguy also emphasizes his ability to use hand to hand combat a bit more than MC in the new Doom games (even the classic has him using beserk a lot, and they use it as his Ultimate in Quake Champions.)

2.1 Also this is a very very minor thing but if they used the Halo 4 or Halo 5 design for Master Chief that would kill any and all hype I'd have for him. It's so ugly and doesn't look very similar at all to his original design made by Bungie. I know Halo Infinite is coming and makes this issue moot but they still use the 4/5 suit in a lot of new promotional material such as ads so I thought it was worth bringing up maybe probably not

This post isn't really related to any post recently, but I keep seeing Master Chief brought up a lot and just thought I'd throw my opinion into the pile since I like Halo and Smash a whole lot.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Does anyone have the animation on hand so I can see it?

I'll try to proselytize for Boshi if a Ballot comes up!!!

This forum is killing it with the vocab I’ve never heard. Straight from Zinith, the magic word is:

KMDP Sorry I replied to you with that. My phone doesn’t actually erase “quotes” for some reason. I was gonna post that for you, but people beat me to it. I deleted it, but it always shows up anyways. Lol

 

[Autobot N]

So, random note, but whenever I play Ike, I'm always going to pick his Radiant Dawn outfit, as that's his best design.

Buff Ike is Best Ike

 

[Deleted member]

My man.
RD Ike is my favorite version of Ike.
(Even if I like PoR slightly more)

Same. Ike in general is my favorite FE lord, followed by Hector, Lucina, and Alm. His RD incarnation is my favorite version of the character.

 

[Inawordyes]

Did Sakurai actually ever explicitly deconfirm Echo Fighters as DLC? Is the wording used in the Japanese stream more definitive when translated?

When he talked about “and I don’t mean Echo Fighters”, he was specifically talking about the Fighter Pass and how it couldn’t contain veterans because they were all in, so each character would have to be made from scratch, with that comment signifying that the 5 characters in the Pass would all be unique and not Echo Fighters, but not necessarily ruling out Echo Fighter DLC. That’s how I took it, but I see so many people talking about “now that we know Echo Fighters aren’t going to be DLC” and such, and I’m just really curious if I’m the only one who read it that way, and if how that segment was presented in Japanese was more definitive or open on the topic.