Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Inawordyes]

Question:
It's been talked at length about how Nintendo could've put out leakbait to catch leakers, right? It seems like most all Insiders knew about Ridley, Isabelle, Simon, some knew about K. Rool. The echoes maybe not, but that's okay.

However, does it not make sense that it's too coincidental that the last bit of Smash info, the final hurrah, is the one that's most divided in terms of what everybody's heard from their sources? It seems that most people had sources that basically lined up and knew what was already revealed, but the last batch of info/characters, that's where the leakbait falls, because every single insider is throwing their hat into the ring with different info, some that agrees with the Grinch Banner, some that doesn't.

Is it worth discussing and/or considering that? If there was fake characters or false info thrown out, it makes sense it would be in the last characters to be shown considering they've probably long-prepared the reveal cycle, and to have everything to show in this last direct coincidentally be the same everything that everybody suddenly can't agree on is too much of a coincidence for me.

 

[Hinata]

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

This is Matthew.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm honestly pretty surprised Richter is higher than Simon on the poll.

Richter is secretly my husbando.

 

[Nekoo]

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

And I though The Fire Emblem sameface was strong

 

[NineS]

What if Isaac is an assist trophy, and Matthew is playable instead?
How would you all feel?

 

[staindgrey]

Wait, NB said they were giving out misinformation? Where did this happen?

Their Japanese Twitter account confirmed that they used misinformation to avoid leaking Tekken 7 characters.

People are using that knowledge to assume the Smash Ultimate team would do the same since some of them have worked on Tekken before.

It's a very broad assumption that could or could not be true.

 

[mjmannella]

Yeah, the fact that no one knew about K. Rool makes me not put much stock into what any insider source might have to say. We're going to find out tomorrow anyway, so it's not really a big deal, but it always weirds me out to see people say stuff is "confirmed" when it's coming from some anonymous source on a GameFAQs account

I have a theory that King K. Rool was the big "ultra popular character" that Sakurai spent the most time hiding. They also usually don't save the most popular character for last.

 

[Aaron1997]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...ltimate_spoiler_discussion/e8t85w5/?context=0

Might be a Fake account

 

[Knight Dude]

Harada does it for Tekken at least.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Harada's been playing that 4D Chess while other companies are still on 1D Checkers when it comes to handling leaks.

 

[Bladeviper]

And I though The Fire Emblem sameface was strong

to be fair they are related, it makes sense they would look similar

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

What if Isaac is an assist trophy, and Matthew is playable instead?
How would you all feel?

I like Matthew's design better so meh

 

[Iridium]

How did I miss that many pages so quickly?

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm honestly pretty surprised Richter is higher than Simon on the poll.

I'll probably use Simon instead. But you can't underestimate people's Thirst Meter always being maxed out.

Either way, Holy Water for the Heretics.

 

[NineS]

Their Japanese Twitter account confirmed that they used misinformation to avoid leaking Tekken 7 characters.

People are using that knowledge to assume the Smash Ultimate team would do the same since some of them have worked on Tekken before.

It's a very broad assumption that could or could not be true.

It's a fair assumption if you ask me. Granted, assumptions aren't always safe to make.

I'd assume they all try to do their best to stop leaks or give potential leakers misinformation.
Square Enix most certainly is handling it a similar way, and in some cases in a way similar to how Sakurai seems to have done it at E3. According to Vergeben, and an article on Soulcalibur 6

 

[Bladeviper]

What if Isaac is an assist trophy, and Matthew is playable instead?
How would you all feel?

tbh id would take any of the 3 main characters since they are pretty much interchangeable in terms of move sets and i like all 3 of there designs

 

[KMDP]

Question:
It's been talked at length about how Nintendo could've put out leakbait to catch leakers, right? It seems like most all Insiders knew about Ridley, Isabelle, Simon, some knew about K. Rool. The echoes maybe not, but that's okay.

However, does it not make sense that it's too coincidental that the last bit of Smash info, the final hurrah, is the one that's most divided in terms of what everybody's heard from their sources? It seems that most people had sources that basically lined up and knew what was already revealed, but the last batch of info/characters, that's where the leakbait falls, because every single insider is throwing their hat into the ring with different info, some that agrees with the Grinch Banner, some that doesn't.

Is it worth discussing and/or considering that? If there was fake characters or false info thrown out, it makes sense it would be in the last characters to be shown considering they've probably long-prepared the reveal cycle, and to have everything to show in this last direct coincidentally be the same everything that everybody suddenly can't agree on is too much of a coincidence for me.

This was my thought, too.

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

Close enough that someone who hasn't seen Isaac since, like, Brawl could mistake the two.

And I though The Fire Emblem sameface was strong

Well, Isaac and Matthew are Father and Son, they're going to look alike.

...

*listens to Cat Steven's Father and Son again*

 

[Paperchampion23]

I can’t see Sakurai making Isaac an AT after all the Fan Demand, Rathalos Pic, and the Mystery Item. If not base, then DLC, but anything other than AT

Seriously. If we look at how the other characters were put in, especially K. Rool and Ridley, Sakurai has DEFINITELY also seen the fan demand for Isaac, Geno and Banjo. There's no way it hasnt. It's his full time job to work on Smash, and this development cycle is about making it Ultimate.

The Grinch 7 make me feel like it's completing a cycle. The end of an Era. Adding Isaac, Geno and Banjo add the 3 most popular remaining characters the fan base has wanted. Adding Mach Rider and Chorus Kids give us a little bit more of that retro and weird vibe he delivers every game with several characters.

The idea that I might be able to unlock Banjo after unlocking Ridley and Snake has me daydreaming about it.

At the same time I'm dreading the first two minutes of this direct. It makes or breaks the whole thing.

 

[staindgrey]

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

Pffffffffffft. They don't even look remotely the same.

One's wearing a jacket.

 

[Starbound]

T-17 hours people

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

This is on the same tier as Part 7/8 Jojo and the women in One Piece.

 

[Nekoo]

Well, Isaac and Matthew are Father and Son, they're going to look alike.

to be fair they are related, it makes sense they would look similar

Where is my That's the joke.jpeg again?

 

[Deleted member]

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

How insane is it that Vergeben became one the most listened to people in Smash speculation to almost completely BTFO'd.

The Growth item...
That one mention of Banjo-Kazooie on Nintendo's press...

THE DREAMS ARE COMING TRUE, BOYS.

 

[monadoboy]

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

If Isaac got in I'd like a Matthew Echo like Ritcher. I prefer Ritcher's design over Simon's, just like Matthew over Isaac.

 

[Deleted member]

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

To put it this way, Isaac looks like a determined kid with interesting armor, Matthew looks more like a young adult with a jacket that is a little less excited and stuff.

 

[AzureFlame4]

What if Isaac is an assist trophy, and Matthew is playable instead?
How would you all feel?

Cool.

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

Yeah, if any insider saw Matthew instead I don't imagine they would know the difference.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What if Isaac is an assist trophy, and Matthew is playable instead?
How would you all feel?

At least Golden Sun HAS a playable rep so I honestly can’t conplain

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I think its rather possible considering how similiar Matthew looks to his father that insiders and Verge mistook him for Isaac. Food for thought.

 

[mjmannella]

I can’t see Sakurai making Isaac an AT after all the Fan Demand, Rathalos Pic, and the Mystery Item. If not base, then DLC, but anything other than AT

Considering that Sakurai put a disclaimer when making Skull Kid's Miiverse, I wouldn't put that passed him.

Also, how do we knew Sakurais's receiving the Isaac demand?

 

[CosmicQuark]

Their Japanese Twitter account confirmed that they used misinformation to avoid leaking Tekken 7 characters.

People are using that knowledge to assume the Smash Ultimate team would do the same since some of them have worked on Tekken before.

It's a very broad assumption that could or could not be true.

I think the assumption isn't very useful in determining the validity of the banner itself, given it's such a big assumption. However, if one thinks the leak is valid, it does provide a logical pathway to explain how the banner can be real, along with the consensus of insiders as well as some of their contradictions.

 

[Hinata]

At least Golden Sun HAS a playable rep so I honestly can’t conplain

Matthew and Isaac are pretty interchangable anyway, so either one would make a good rep.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Anything big happen since this morning?

 

[Knight Dude]

For the sake of giving visual aid to the "Vergeben's sources confused Matthew for Isaac" argument:

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This is Isaac.

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This is Matthew.

Yep, since Isaac is Matthew's dad and all, it makes sense that they look real similar to one another. The fact that the hair and color schemes also remain similar also makes it harder for some to tell them apart.

 

[Nekoo]

How insane is it that Vergeben became one the most listened to people in Smash speculation to almost completely BTFO'd.

The Growth item...
That one mention of Banjo-Kazooie on Nintendo's press...

THE DREAMS ARE COMING TRUE, BOYS.

To be fair, people keep ****ting on Vergeben for being an Asshole or being wrong on others games but...
so far his smash record is perfect, and while blunt and a bit of an ass he's the most honest of the bunch to tell us information-

 

[Roberk]

to be fair they are related, it makes sense they would look similar

Yet people complain about Marth/Lucina looking similar even though they are related.

 

[Sigran101]

In 16 hours and 45 minutes this will all be over. Every last leak, theory, and rumor will be confirmed or debunked. At long last, this crazy speculation period will end.

 

[cothero]

What if Banjo Kazooie were a Duck Hunt echo?

 

[Z25]

Plot twist undertake two is actual leaks and Toby fox was the real insider all along

 

[Bladeviper]

some one just posted this on my discord, ill look for a source

 

[Starbound]

How insane is it that Vergeben became one the most listened to people in Smash speculation to almost completely BTFO'd.

The Growth item...
That one mention of Banjo-Kazooie on Nintendo's press...

THE DREAMS ARE COMING TRUE, BOYS.

The press image was done by Inspect Element. People have gone on the site and the mention isn't there.

 

[KMDP]

If Isaac got in I'd like a Matthew Echo like Ritcher. I prefer Ritcher's design over Simon's, just like Matthew over Isaac.

To be honest, it'd be better if it was Isaac and Felix or Matthew and Felix, because Felix is more distinct visually from Isaac and Matthew, while having canonical statistical differences that would justify gameplay differences.

The Big Brain option is Isaac, Matthew as an Alt Costume, with Felix as an Echo.